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1. 07:17 AM - Re: RV-7 vs Mustang II ()
2. 08:14 AM - Re: RV-7 vs Mustang II (scott bilinski)
3. 08:56 AM - Re: RV-7 vs Mustang II (John Jessen)
4. 09:31 AM - Re: RV-7 vs Mustang II...7 width (Frank Stringham)
5. 10:20 AM - Re: RV-7 vs Mustang II (Charlie England)
6. 02:42 PM - Anyone know Rigaud Nathan, N808TB (Shemp)
7. 03:17 PM - Anyone know Rigaud Nathan, N808TB (Ralph Hoover)
8. 03:53 PM - Re: Anyone know Rigaud Nathan, N808TB (Shemp)
9. 03:57 PM - Re: Anyone know MULLANEY JOHN , N808TB (Shemp)
10. 04:03 PM - Need some reference material help (McFarland, Randy)
11. 04:27 PM - Re: Need some reference material help (Bobby Hester)
12. 04:34 PM - Anyone know Rigaud Nathan, N808TB (Ralph Hoover)
13. 04:53 PM - Re: Need some reference material help (Richard Dudley)
14. 06:00 PM - Re: Need some reference material help (Dale Walter)
15. 06:23 PM - Re: Need some reference material help (Kyle Boatright)
16. 06:37 PM - RV-7 VS Mustang II etc (EMAproducts@aol.com)
17. 08:24 PM - Re: RV-9A CG change (Jim Ellis)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 vs Mustang II |
Not to be a bummer but very sadly the Mustang II builder pilot Van flew against
was lost at a later date with his passenger I recall. The facts I don't recall
but something about his seat belt coming undone doing acro comes to mind. Not
trying to be a bummer first at the year but PLEASE be careful in 2008; lets
make this the safest year ever. All the best Happy New Years, George
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 vs Mustang II |
I looked in Kit Planes Kits issue, they list the cocpit width at 40 inches......that
is VERY narrow! If you stagger the seat backs maybe not so bad?
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
----- Original Message ----
From: Brian Kraut <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:08:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 vs Mustang II
I forwarded to the Mustang group to get an opinion. The question on the
Mustang group comes up often and the general consenses is usually that the
Mustang has better performance with the same engine, but is more work to
build. One Mustangers opinion follows.
-----Original Message-----
From: mustangaero@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mustangaero@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Kirk Harrell
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: M.Aero: FW: RV-List: RV-7 vs Mustang II
First of all, the "Checkpoint Charley" article was a
comparison of a new, factory prepped, kit bird and a
more used scratch built MII. There was no evaluation
between relative aerodynamic cleanup or other
variables that would add value to the comparison.
My Mustang II is scratch built, and the leading edges
of the wing are not properly formed, and it stalls
hot, about 70 mph. The stall is not scary, it is just
a stall that feels like the stall in a Cherokee 140.
Yes, I land it faster,... so? Thousands upon
thousands of people land on runways all over the world
at much faster speeds every day, and never give it a
thought. Get over the fact that your RV can land
slower. The MII is great in a crosswind and I would
rather have that capability than be able to land 10 -
15 mph slower.
I raced the first leg of the 2002 Air Venture Cup
(engine problems resulted in a DNF for the second
leg). There were three RV-8's, one RV-6, one RV-6A
and an RV-4 in my class, Formula FX which is fixed
gear up to 360 cu. in. engines. Mine, a stock
IO360-B1E 180 hp, with Hartzell prop.
I finished the first leg fifth, behind two Glasair I's
with same engine as mine, a turbocharged Glasair II
with same engine as mine, and was just barely nipped
by a Longeze for fourth... No RV's in front of me. I
think that is more conclusive than the "Checkpoint
Charlie" article.
The RV is a fine plane, I've flown the 4, 6A, and 8.
compared to my MII I think they are somewhat lighter
on the ailerons, but they don't fly that much
different (except for going fighteningly slow in the
pattern! :-) ).
The Mustang II is a fine bird as well, and does not
deserve the reputation the RV crowd is trying to give
it. Many Mustang builders have flown their birds for
20+ years, and put thousands of hours on them. They
will tell you they love it more every time they fly
it. I've only flown mine since 1998, and I love
flying it, and love the way it flies.
I've flown a lot of mile cross country in formation
with RV's. It's a lot of fun, especially when we
compare fuel tickets when we stop for gas.
Kirk Harrell
MII N22YR
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| Subject: | RV-7 vs Mustang II |
The Mustang II web site lists it as 39", same as a Cherokee, I believe.
What is the honest width of a -7?
John Jessen
40328
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of scott bilinski
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:13 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 vs Mustang II
I looked in Kit Planes Kits issue, they list the cocpit width at 40
inches......that is VERY narrow! If you stagger the seat backs maybe not so
bad?
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
----- Original Message ----
From: Brian Kraut <brian.kraut@engalt.com>
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 10:08:25 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 vs Mustang II
I forwarded to the Mustang group to get an opinion. The question on the
Mustang group comes up often and the general consenses is usually that the
Mustang has better performance with the same engine, but is more work to
build. One Mustangers opinion follows.
-----Original Message-----
From: mustangaero@yahoogroups.com [mailto:mustangaero@yahoogroups.com]On
Behalf Of Kirk Harrell
Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:58 PM
Subject: Re: M.Aero: FW: RV-List: RV-7 vs Mustang II
First of all, the "Checkpoint Charley" article was a comparison of a new,
factory prepped, kit bird and a more used scratch built MII. There was no
evaluation between relative aerodynamic cleanup or other variables that
would add value to the comparison.
My Mustang II is scratch built, and the leading edges of the wing are not
properly formed, and it stalls hot, about 70 mph. The stall is not scary, it
is just a stall that feels like the stall in a Cherokee 140.
Yes, I land it faster,... so? Thousands upon thousands of people land on
runways all over the world at much faster speeds every day, and never give
it a thought. Get over the fact that your RV can land slower. The MII is
great in a crosswind and I would rather have that capability than be able to
land 10 -
15 mph slower.
I raced the first leg of the 2002 Air Venture Cup (engine problems resulted
in a DNF for the second leg). There were three RV-8's, one RV-6, one RV-6A
and an RV-4 in my class, Formula FX which is fixed gear up to 360 cu. in.
engines. Mine, a stock IO360-B1E 180 hp, with Hartzell prop.
I finished the first leg fifth, behind two Glasair I's with same engine as
mine, a turbocharged Glasair II with same engine as mine, and was just
barely nipped by a Longeze for fourth... No RV's in front of me. I think
that is more conclusive than the "Checkpoint Charlie" article.
The RV is a fine plane, I've flown the 4, 6A, and 8.
compared to my MII I think they are somewhat lighter on the ailerons, but
they don't fly that much different (except for going fighteningly slow in
the pattern! :-) ).
The Mustang II is a fine bird as well, and does not deserve the reputation
the RV crowd is trying to give it. Many Mustang builders have flown their
birds for
20+ years, and put thousands of hours on them. They
will tell you they love it more every time they fly it. I've only flown mine
since 1998, and I love flying it, and love the way it flies.
I've flown a lot of mile cross country in formation with RV's. It's a lot of
fun, especially when we compare fuel tickets when we stop for gas.
Kirk Harrell
MII N22YR
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| Subject: | RV-7 vs Mustang II...7 width |
went and measured my RV7A and it was 40 inches at the shoulder position.
Frank @ SGU RV7A
> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 vs Mustang II> Date
: Mon, 31 Dec 2007 08:53:29 -0800> From: n212pj@gmail.com> > --> RV-List me
ssage posted by: John Jessen <n212pj@gmail.com>> > The Mustang II web site
lists it as 39", same as a Cherokee, I believe.> What is the honest width o
f a -7? > > John Jessen> 40328 > > -----Original Message-----> From: owner-
rv-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] O
n Behalf Of scott bilinski> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:13 AM> To: rv
-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-7 vs Mustang II> > --> RV-Lis
t message posted by: scott bilinski <rv8a2001@yahoo.com>> > I looked in Kit
Planes Kits issue, they list the cocpit width at 40> inches......that is V
ERY narrow! If you stagger the seat backs maybe not so> bad?> > Scott Bilin
ski> RV-8a> > > > ----- Original Message ----> From: Brian Kraut <brian.kra
ut@engalt.com>> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Sent: Sunday, December 30, 2007
10:08:25 PM> Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-7 vs Mustang II> > --> RV-List messag
e posted by: "Brian Kraut" <brian.kraut@engalt.com>> > I forwarded to the M
ustang group to get an opinion. The question on the> Mustang group comes up
often and the general consenses is usually that the> Mustang has better pe
rformance with the same engine, but is more work to> build. One Mustangers
opinion follows.> > -----Original Message-----> From: mustangaero@yahoogrou
ps.com [mailto:mustangaero@yahoogroups.com]On> Behalf Of Kirk Harrell> Sent
: Sunday, December 30, 2007 11:58 PM> To: mustangaero@yahoogroups.com> Subj
ect: Re: M.Aero: FW: RV-List: RV-7 vs Mustang II> > First of all, the "Chec
kpoint Charley" article was a comparison of a new,> factory prepped, kit bi
rd and a more used scratch built MII. There was no> evaluation between rela
tive aerodynamic cleanup or other variables that> would add value to the co
mparison.> > My Mustang II is scratch built, and the leading edges of the w
ing are not> properly formed, and it stalls hot, about 70 mph. The stall is
not scary, it> is just a stall that feels like the stall in a Cherokee 140
.> Yes, I land it faster,... so? Thousands upon thousands of people land on
> runways all over the world at much faster speeds every day, and never giv
e> it a thought. Get over the fact that your RV can land slower. The MII is
> great in a crosswind and I would rather have that capability than be able
to> land 10 -> 15 mph slower.> > I raced the first leg of the 2002 Air Ven
ture Cup (engine problems resulted> in a DNF for the second leg). There wer
e three RV-8's, one RV-6, one RV-6A> and an RV-4 in my class, Formula FX wh
ich is fixed gear up to 360 cu. in.> engines. Mine, a stock IO360-B1E 180 h
p, with Hartzell prop.> > I finished the first leg fifth, behind two Glasai
r I's with same engine as> mine, a turbocharged Glasair II with same engine
as mine, and was just> barely nipped by a Longeze for fourth... No RV's in
front of me. I think> that is more conclusive than the "Checkpoint Charlie
" article.> > The RV is a fine plane, I've flown the 4, 6A, and 8.> compare
d to my MII I think they are somewhat lighter on the ailerons, but> they do
n't fly that much different (except for going fighteningly slow in> the pat
tern! :-) ).> > The Mustang II is a fine bird as well, and does not deserve
the reputation> the RV crowd is trying to give it. Many Mustang builders h
ave flown their> birds for> 20+ years, and put thousands of hours on them.
They> will tell you they love it more every time they fly it. I've only flo
wn mine> since 1998, and I love flying it, and love the way it flies.> > I'
ve flown a lot of mile cross country in formation with RV's. It's a lot of>
fun, especially when we compare fuel tickets when we stop for gas.> > Kirk
Harrell> MII N22YR> > > > > > Be a better friend, newshound, and> know-it-
all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i
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| Subject: | Re: RV-7 vs Mustang II |
John Jessen wrote:
>
> The Mustang II web site lists it as 39", same as a Cherokee, I believe.
> What is the honest width of a -7?
>
> John Jessen
> 40328
39", plus some small change.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Anyone know Rigaud Nathan, N808TB |
Im still looking for a paricular paint color. Does anyone know him?
Shemp
n915jd
Gordon or Marge wrote:
> Several years ago Van wrote about a flight he made in his RV-6 against
> a Mustang II flown by a gent who had shot off his mouth about the
> virtues of thin wings and the lack of virtue of thick wings. I seem
> to recall that there was a side by side speed comparison but of that
> I'm not certain. I have looked back through my RVators to mid 1994
> and not found it so far. Does anyone know where and when that was
> published? Are there any data comparing the RV-7 with the Mustang
> II? The reason for the questions is a friend is planning to build one
> or the other starting after SnF and quite naturally, I am trying to
> convince him to build the
> RV. He has fallen prey to the "thin wing" idea and since Mustang
> aviation is slightly more than a hour's drive from here he is leaning
> that way. Help, please in trying to prevent him from making a
> dreadful mistake.
>
> Gordon Comfort
> N363GC
>
> I'm actually mounting the Precision Eagle System components the -8
> airframe.
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Anyone know Rigaud Nathan, N808TB |
Shemp,
Try this.
http://www.2bumsaircraft.com/
N808TB is Assigned
Aircraft Description
*Serial Number* 72210 *Type Registration* Individual
*Manufacturer Name*
RIGAUD NATHAN
*Certificate Issue Date*
03/30/2007
*Model*
RV-7
*Status*
Valid
*Type Aircraft*
Fixed Wing Single-Engine
*Type Engine*
Reciprocating
*Pending Number Change*
None
*Dealer*
No
*Date Change Authorized*
None
*Mode S Code*
52600500
*MFR Year*
2005
*Fractional Owner*
NO
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Registered Owner
*Name* MULLANEY JOHN
*Street*
PO BOX 123
*City*
SUNAPEE *State* NEW HAMPSHIRE *Zip Code* 03782-0123
*County*
SULLIVAN
*Country*
UNITED STATES
--
Ralph C. Hoover
RV7A
hooverra at verizon dot net
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know Rigaud Nathan, N808TB |
What is on the website that links to him? Cant find anything.
Thanks again
Shemp
do not archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: Anyone know MULLANEY JOHN , N808TB |
Just saw the reference to Nathan, so now the question is does anyone
know John?
Shemp wrote:
> What is on the website that links to him? Cant find anything.
>
> Thanks again
> Shemp
>
> do not archive
>
>>
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| Subject: | Need some reference material help |
Anyone have the Precision MA4-5 manual in e form? I can't find it on
internet.
I don't get the 50 rpm drop when going to idle-cutoff, but don't know
which way to turn the screw to richen/lean it.
Thx
Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Need some reference material help |
I don't get it either. I tried adjusting it a while back and never
could get it.
----
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my flying RV7A web page:
http://home.newwavecomm.net/bobbyhester/MyFlyingRV7A.htm
McFarland, Randy wrote:
>
> Anyone have the Precision MA4-5 manual in e form? I can't find it on
> internet.
> I don't get the 50 rpm drop when going to idle-cutoff, but don't know
> which way to turn the screw to richen/lean it.
> Thx
> Randy
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Anyone know Rigaud Nathan, N808TB |
*
Nathan Rigaud:** nathanr@2bumsaircraft.com*
<mailto:nathanr@2bumsaircraft.com>* *
<mailto:nathanr@2bumsaircraft.com>*
**772-713-1435
**Nathan Rigaud - Co-Founder, Pilot and A&P Mechanic. Nathan currently
lives in
Sebastian, Florida where we operate 2 Bums Aircraft. Nathan is a ATP
rated pilot and has
taught aerobatics, tailwheel, primary, and much more. He has his A&P
certificate and has
restored and built many different types of planes. He also enjoys
building and flying large
scale models. *
--
Ralph C. Hoover
RV7A
hooverra at verizon dot net
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| Subject: | Re: Need some reference material help |
Randy,
I have a Precision manual (paper) which I purchased in case I needed it.
Since I have not yet needed it, I have not really gotten familiar. I
have an O 320-D1A but have not matched up the carburetor with the
diagarams in the manual. It covers a number of carburetors including the
MA4-5. It seems that the MA4-5 comes in a variety of flavors and
additional detail is needed to select the correct one. Many pages
address the MA4-5 but with carburetor numbers like: A10-3634 or
A10-3391-1. There are a lot of them. With the right number, I could scan
the exploded view and parts list and e-mail them to you, if the would be
of use to you.
Let me know if that would help.
Richard Dudley
do not archive
McFarland, Randy wrote:
>
>Anyone have the Precision MA4-5 manual in e form? I can't find it on
>internet.
>I don't get the 50 rpm drop when going to idle-cutoff, but don't know
>which way to turn the screw to richen/lean it.
>Thx
>Randy
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Need some reference material help |
Randy,
Legend says rise, not drop. More than one veteran IA told me not to worry if
I did not see that. Some sources stress testing at 650 rpm idle.
Dale
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McFarland, Randy
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 7:04 PM
Subject: RV-List: Need some reference material help
<Randy.McFarland@novellus.com>
Anyone have the Precision MA4-5 manual in e form? I can't find it on
internet.
I don't get the 50 rpm drop when going to idle-cutoff, but don't know
which way to turn the screw to richen/lean it.
Thx
Randy
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| Subject: | Re: Need some reference material help |
Just to clarify things...
With a carb, you should see a 25-50 rpm increase in rpm before the engine
dies as you lean it from idle.
To enrich the idle setting, turn the screw out (counterclockwise). To lean
the setting, turn it in (clockwise).
KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dale Walter" <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 8:56 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Need some reference material help
>
> Randy,
> Legend says rise, not drop. More than one veteran IA told me not to worry
> if
> I did not see that. Some sources stress testing at 650 rpm idle.
> Dale
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of McFarland, Randy
> Sent: Monday, December 31, 2007 7:04 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Need some reference material help
>
> <Randy.McFarland@novellus.com>
>
> Anyone have the Precision MA4-5 manual in e form? I can't find it on
> internet.
> I don't get the 50 rpm drop when going to idle-cutoff, but don't know
> which way to turn the screw to richen/lean it.
> Thx
> Randy
>
>
>
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| Subject: | RV-7 VS Mustang II etc |
In a message dated 12/31/2007 12:01:11 A.M. Pacific Standard Time,
rv-list@matronics.com writes:
If my memory serves me right was it not a "thin" wing T18 that was the first
"homebuilt" that flew around the world ??
Indeed you are right. I was VP of the EAA Chapt 92 during that era, now
called the Don Taylor Chapter in SNA California. I was fortunate at Copperstate
Fly In 3 years ago to sit with Don & Lois at the Awards banquet. Wonderful
fmaily, and still consider Don & Lois good friends, even though hadn't seen
them in 25 years until Copperstate. That was Don's 2nd try at the around the
world flight, got stopped by WX in Japan a couple years before. He made it
round the world in '76 The plane is in the Museum at OSH. The T-18 and the
Mustang II are two different designs, both have been around for many years.
All three are nice flying planes,
Elbie
Elbie Mendenhall
President
EM Aviation, LLC
13411 NE Prairie Rd
Brush Prairie, WA 98606
360-260-0772
_http://www.riteangle.com_ (http://www.riteangle.com/)
(http://food.aol.com/top-rated-recipes?NCID=aoltop00030000000004)
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| Subject: | Re: RV-9A CG change |
Dan,
I just went through a similar exercise with my 9A. The best place to start is
to weigh the plane with full fuel tanks. In my case the nose wheel weight was
361 pounds with full fuel. I have an O-360 and the same prop you are using.
If I read it correctly Vans info shows that the maximum nose gear weight is 325
pounds, not 315.
I thought about moving the battery from the firewall to behind the baggage compartment
but the weight of the battery (16 pounds) and the moment arm (about 160
inches) didn't bring the nose gear weight down to 325 pounds. I had to add
20 pounds of ballast under the empennage fairing (arm 208 inches). This produced
a measured nose wheel weight of 322 pounds, again with full fuel. The final
empty C.G. with ballast ended up at 79.11 inches.
Hope this helps.
Jim Ellis
RV-9A, flying
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