---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 01/05/08: 22 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:50 AM - Re: One antena two radios how (Russell Daves) 2. 04:48 AM - Airtime Manufacturing (Chuck Jensen) 3. 05:37 AM - Re: Heat boxes for RV-4 (Dale Ensing) 4. 06:44 AM - Av-Map Gps Poor service (Trevor) 5. 06:49 AM - Re: Van's order by Email? (Shemp) 6. 06:55 AM - Structural qualities of gel coat (Shemp) 7. 07:17 AM - Re: Av-Map Gps Poor service (JVanLaak@aol.com) 8. 07:17 AM - Re: Structural qualities of gel coat (Patrick Kelley) 9. 07:42 AM - Mic noise (Ken Hill) 10. 08:57 AM - Re: Heat boxes for RV-4 (Paul Besing) 11. 10:25 AM - elevator horn to HS gap (tom sargent) 12. 11:41 AM - Re: Airtime Manufacturing (mikerv6a@ao.com) 13. 12:09 PM - Re: elevator horn to HS gap (Dale Ensing) 14. 12:19 PM - Re: Airtime Manufacturing (Chuck Jensen) 15. 12:41 PM - Re: elevator horn to HS gap (tom sargent) 16. 01:55 PM - Cooling air to alternator (Trevor) 17. 03:05 PM - Re: One antena two radios how () 18. 05:08 PM - Re: elevator horn to HS gap (Kevin Horton) 19. 05:57 PM - Re: Heat boxes for RV-4 (halbenjamin@optonline.net) 20. 07:38 PM - Re: Re: One antena two radios how (Tailgummer@aol.com) 21. 10:01 PM - hangar lighting (Charlie England) 22. 11:11 PM - Re: Av-Map Gps Poor service (mike humphrey) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:50:01 AM PST US From: "Russell Daves" Subject: Re: RV-List: One antena two radios how I installed a Bob Archer splitter and during the first 150+ hours it worked great on a two radio one antenna install. However apparently the splitter went bad and to degraded the transmit on both radios to the point that the tower could not understand my request of "ready to depart 35L" This was after getting clearance to taxi from ground to the runway. After doing a 180 to return to the ramp, the tower said "N710RV (I have 12 inch letters) if you are departing Centennial and NOT returning you are cleared to depart 35L" After returning to home base I removed the inline splitter and either radio worked just fine on the single antenna. I now have a second antenna. Russ Daves N710RV - RV-10 N65RV - RV-6A Sold N742PZ - RV-Co-Builder N____RV - RV-7 Waiting on Fuselage ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 04:48:20 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Airtime Manufacturing From: "Chuck Jensen" Anyone have any contact information for AirTime Manufacturing or Randy Simpson. He (used to) post from time to time on the RV forum about his titanium ti-downs and bags. I believe he is, or was, in the Corvalis, OR area, at least that's where I thought he was last July when I PayPaled him money for a set of ti-downs and packaging bag. Money's been long gone, but no ti-downs and emails don't get answered. Is he on an "extended" vacation or something? Hopefully, someone can tap him on the shoulder. So, if anyone has current contact information, I'd appreciate getting it. Good news is the plane hasn't blown away in the mean time! Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Russell Daves Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 6:47 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: One antena two radios how I installed a Bob Archer splitter and during the first 150+ hours it worked great on a two radio one antenna install. However apparently the splitter went bad and to degraded the transmit on both radios to the point that the tower could not understand my request of "ready to depart 35L" This was after getting clearance to taxi from ground to the runway. After doing a 180 to return to the ramp, the tower said "N710RV (I have 12 inch letters) if you are departing Centennial and NOT returning you are cleared to depart 35L" After returning to home base I removed the inline splitter and either radio worked just fine on the single antenna. I now have a second antenna. Russ Daves N710RV - RV-10 N65RV - RV-6A Sold N742PZ - RV-Co-Builder N____RV - RV-7 Waiting on Fuselage ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:37:17 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 Hal, Have you checked out the mixer from Van's? http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1199460045-284-29 1&browse=heatvent&product=chv-1 It has an air bleed hole. Doesn't really dump all the unused hot air but works very well. I have one on my 6A with the hot air from two heat muffs in tandem. Have been flying for three years with this set up and no problems. Dale Ensing Aero Plantation Weddington NC ----- Original Message ----- From: halbenjamin@optonline.net To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:14 PM Subject: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 Hello All, I'm looking for a heat box for an RV-4 with air mixing capability (cool air, heated, or mixed) that allows for dumping of unused heated air. Looking at the ads online, I see heat boxes that will dump unused hot air, and heat boxes that can mix warm with cool air, but I can't tell if any of these will do both. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks, Hal Benjamin - RV-4 Long Island, NY Finish kit & Spending money like a drunken sailor ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:44:10 AM PST US From: "Trevor" Subject: RV-List: Av-Map Gps Poor service I purchased the Av-map EKP1V at Sun 'n Fun in April 2006. Unfortunately it did not have an African database, ( I live in South Africa) but I was assured that I would be able to swop the card out for one of Africa. I contacted the suppliers and asked them to have it at Oshkosh as I would be there. Needless to say it did not arrive but after phoning them from the convention they said they would bring a copy to the booth the next day. That also did not happen. To cut a long story short, I have been in contact with the factory in Italy and after initially saying they would swop my card for the Africa database they turned around and said it would cost 336 Euros! plus postage of another 40 Euros ( +/- $540!) - for a 256 mb flash card! Fortunately I did not buy the card at the time as the info was putrid to say the least - large towns were not even shown and no topography. This was in January 2007. They informed us that a new database was imminent as the cartographer they used was busy updating the info ( I suggested using Garmins or any other of hundreds of databases floating around) and so we hopefully awaited this new updated version. It is now January 2008 and I wonder if this company is really serious about delivering! And if so at what cost? The only reason I have persevered with them is that I had planned and cut my panel to accept the Av- Map. Has anyone out there had similar experiences or can someone point us to anyone that can tread on a few toes? Trevor RV-7 South Africa ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:40 AM PST US From: Shemp Subject: Re: RV-List: Van's order by Email? I had stuff from Van's shipped priority mail. 2 days instead of ups ground of 10 to midwest! Shemp 6a 300+ wgill10@comcast.net wrote: > Bert, > > If you're in a hurry, order by phone and ask for 3-day ground shipping > (or faster). They usually ship the same day and I often get the item > delivered to the central US in just two days. Orders by internet are > at least 1.5 weeks! > > Bill > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:55:05 AM PST US From: Shemp Subject: RV-List: Structural qualities of gel coat I removed the gel coat from my intakes on my very old cowl and replaced with a couple layers of glass. Just wondering if anyone knows how much the gel coat adds to structural integrity. In other words, are the 2 layers enough to keep from getting stress cracks? Shemp 6a 300+ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:00 AM PST US From: JVanLaak@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Av-Map Gps Poor service Trevor, I also have been extremely disappointed in their customer service. The unit itself is very nice and I have finally become proficient in their rather odd operating scheme, but every time I have asked for help they have been slow and incomplete. What really bothers me is that when I paid about $75 to update the GPS info in October they sent me an update that does not have the correct ADIZ airspace around Washington DC. Given that I live not far away and routinely fly by that airspace (and all of the F-16's guarding it) this is a real problem. I complained to their customer service and got no response. I hope your luck improves. Jim RV-6 N79RL **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:17:36 AM PST US From: "Patrick Kelley" Subject: RE: RV-List: Structural qualities of gel coat Gel coat is just a coat of colored resin painted into the mold before the first layups. It adds nothing to the strength and often is prone to cracking if poorly done. If you've sanded down to the weave and then laid a couple of layers over that, you have a net gain of strength. Pat Kelley - RV-6A - doing canopy latch -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Shemp Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 7:52 AM Subject: RV-List: Structural qualities of gel coat I removed the gel coat from my intakes on my very old cowl and replaced with a couple layers of glass. Just wondering if anyone knows how much the gel coat adds to structural integrity. In other words, are the 2 layers enough to keep from getting stress cracks? Shemp 6a 300+ -- 12:05 PM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:42:28 AM PST US From: "Ken Hill" Subject: RV-List: Mic noise After following several discussions on poor transmission quality due to cockpit noise, I believe I have the same problem; clear reception, but my transmissions are somewhat unclear when at high throttle. I have a Garmin 300XL, and have gone into the setup menu where there is a page called dB, which I think could be gain for the mic? Lowering the value did not seem to help, however, and I cannot find any reference to this page in the installation manual. Anyone have a similar problem with this radio, and have they found a fix? ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:57:31 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 I've got this one and will be installing this in my RV-4 hopefully this weekend. I'll post my flight test findings...what I like about it, is that I'll be able to plumb the air right to the air vents, and get the right temperature instead of having a heat blow on your feet. Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona ----- Original Message ---- From: Dale Ensing Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2008 6:34:16 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 Hal, Have you checked out the mixer from Van's? http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1199460045-284-291&browse=heatvent&product=chv-1 It has an air bleed hole. Doesn't really dump all the unused hot air but works very well. I have one on my 6A with the hot air from two heat muffs in tandem. Have been flying for three years with this set up and no problems. Dale Ensing Aero Plantation Weddington NC ----- Original Message ----- From: halbenjamin@optonline.net To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:14 PM Subject: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 Hello All, I'm looking for a heat box for an RV-4 with air mixing capability (cool air, heated, or mixed) that allows for dumping of unused heated air. Looking at the ads online, I see heat boxes that will dump unused hot air, and heat boxes that can mix warm with cool air, but I can't tell if any of these will do both. Any tips would be appreciated. Thanks, Hal Benjamin - RV-4 Long Island, NY Finish kit & Spending money like a drunken sailor Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:25:43 AM PST US From: tom sargent Subject: RV-List: elevator horn to HS gap I am finishing up various fiberglass tasks and am working on the Horiz. Stab. end cap. How much of a gap should I have between the end of the elevator horn and the aft face of the horiz. Stabilizer end fairing? I assume you want more than minimum clearance? I'm guessing that about a 1/8" gap when the elevator is at 0 deg. to the HS is good. The manual (circa 1999) doesn't make any reference to it. Thanks, -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:41:49 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Airtime Manufacturing From: mikerv6a@ao.com Chuck I'm one of the regular readers of the RV-List, but an infrequent poster. I saw your inquiry about Randy Simpson/Airtime MFG. I live in Corvallis, Or, and I've been aware for six or seven years of Randy Simpson's Ti-Downs. Here is the locally-available contact info for Randy Simpson: Randy M Simpson (541) 791-4464 Scravel Hill Rd, Albany, Oregon This is adjacent to Propst airport, OR19, a private airstrip. Randy's internet services were being provided by ProAxis, which is a Corvallis, OR business. Albany is about 10-12 miles northeast of Corvallis. I don't know Randy. I'm acquainted with a person who has flown ultralights among the ultralight community in this area that included Randy. In the past, I've commented to this acquaintance about RV-List complaints regarding Randy's business, and I gather that he's passed those comments to Randy. Perhaps this has helped some others, which was our goal. My friend and I have agreed never to have another conversation about AirTime, and that communication path is now closed. Sorry. A look at the RV-List archives will reveal that, during the past few years, mention has been made occasionally of Randy Simpson and his AirTime Mfg enterprise. This RV-List traffic is almost entirely associated with inquiries like yours, which paints a pretty negative reputation for this vendor. This appears to be a pattern, rather than a single occurrence. In light of this pattern, I would suggest that your remedies, if any, might lie in seeking a refund via PayPal. Best regards and good luck. Mike Linse RV-6A about to cut the canopy. > from Chuck Jensen: > Anyone have any contact information for AirTime Manufacturing or Randy > Simpson. > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:09:09 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: elevator horn to HS gap Tom, I assume from your question that when you say elevator "horn" you are talking about the elevator counter weight. Not the control horn. !/8" gap is plenty to provide for paint on both surfaces plus clearence. You should check the clearence at all positions as the elevator travels up and down. Dale Ensing EAA TC & FA ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom sargent" Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 1:15 PM Subject: RV-List: elevator horn to HS gap > > I am finishing up various fiberglass tasks and am working on the Horiz. > Stab. end cap. How much of a gap should I have between the end of the > elevator horn and the aft face of the horiz. Stabilizer end fairing? I > assume you want more than minimum clearance? I'm guessing that about a > 1/8" gap when the elevator is at 0 deg. to the HS is good. The manual > (circa 1999) doesn't make any reference to it. > > Thanks, > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:19:54 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Airtime Manufacturing From: "Chuck Jensen" Thanks for the information Mike. A leopard never changes its spots, even when its hiding in the grass, so I guess I should have done more due diligence. Chuck Jensen Chuck I'm one of the regular readers of the RV-List, but an infrequent poster. I saw your inquiry about Randy Simpson/Airtime MFG. I live in Corvallis, Or, and I've been aware for six or seven years of Randy Simpson's Ti-Downs. Here is the locally-available contact info for Randy Simpson: Randy M Simpson (541) 791-4464 Scravel Hill Rd, Albany, Oregon This is adjacent to Propst airport, OR19, a private airstrip. Randy's internet services were being provided by ProAxis, which is a Corvallis, OR business. Albany is about 10-12 miles northeast of Corvallis. I don't know Randy. I'm acquainted with a person who has flown ultralights among the ultralight community in this area that included Randy. In the past, I've commented to this acquaintance about RV-List complaints regarding Randy's business, and I gather that he's passed those comments to Randy. Perhaps this has helped some others, which was our goal. My friend and I have agreed never to have another conversation about AirTime, and that communication path is now closed. Sorry. A look at the RV-List archives will reveal that, during the past few years, mention has been made occasionally of Randy Simpson and his AirTime Mfg enterprise. This RV-List traffic is almost entirely associated with inquiries like yours, which paints a pretty negative reputation for this vendor. This appears to be a pattern, rather than a single occurrence. In light of this pattern, I would suggest that your remedies, if any, might lie in seeking a refund via PayPal. Best regards and good luck. Mike Linse RV-6A about to cut the canopy. > from Chuck Jensen: > Anyone have any contact information for AirTime Manufacturing or Randy > Simpson. > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:40 PM PST US From: tom sargent Subject: Re: RV-List: elevator horn to HS gap Dale: Yes, I mean the counterweight. Sorry for that neural misfire. Dale Ensing wrote: > > Tom, > I assume from your question that when you say elevator "horn" you are > talking about the elevator counter weight. Not the control horn. > > !/8" gap is plenty to provide for paint on both surfaces plus clearence. > You should check the clearence at all positions as the elevator travels > up and down. > > Dale Ensing > EAA TC & FA > >> >> I am finishing up various fiberglass tasks and am working on the >> Horiz. Stab. end cap. How much of a gap should I have between the end >> of the elevator horn and the aft face of the horiz. Stabilizer end >> fairing? I assume you want more than minimum clearance? I'm guessing >> that about a 1/8" gap when the elevator is at 0 deg. to the HS is >> good. The manual (circa 1999) doesn't make any reference to it. >> -- >> Tom Sargent, RV-6A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:55:54 PM PST US From: "Trevor" Subject: RV-List: Cooling air to alternator What is the general consenses as to where the cooling air for the alternator be routed? to the back, front, side, casing? Also which way does the fan operate? Does it suck air in from the front or rear? Trevor Davis RV-7 ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:05:32 PM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: One antena two radios how >From: Tailgummer@aol.com >Subject: Re: RV-List: One antenna two radios how From Tailgummer's link this ITEM is what you need, and its $690.00 http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=CI601 There is no advantage of duplex off one antenna IMHO except the 0.30 mph drag you save at top speed. My situation is I have a #1 panel com. I can access the BNC connector on the floor and connect a coax jumper to my handheld if needed. Other wise my handheld uses its rubber duckie antenna & the audio is routed to the intercom. Its great for getting ATIS while #1 is on ATC. The handheld is temp mounted off the side of the panel, just for reciving. If I want to transmit with it I have to connect the external antenna to get max range and than connect the head set direct to the radio. This would be an emergency if #1 failed. A second antenna like a FOIL TAPE antenna in the wind screen, to improve the handhelds reception could be done with no drag penalty or long wing tip coax runs (cost and weight). I don't recommend a foil tape as a primary antenna for transmission & reception. ANY THING SHORT of a WHIP externally mounted 1/2 wave ground plane antenna is NOT going to be as good, ever compared to an internal antenna. The rubber duckie does good job, especially for ATIS 20 out. Hanging off the side of the panel, the antenna is just above the side rail. For two panel mounted VHF radios PUT in two antennas. I fly Boeing aircraft and we have TWO HF radios into one antenna. However you have to select one radio to transmit on. Also when you switch radios you have to KEY the mic and wait for it to switch & tune the antenna. You hear a tone for a few seconds. When the tone stops the switch and tuning has taken place. If you don't switch radios the switch/tune tone does not come back. If it detects a new radio or freq it will go through the switch tune process again. I'm going to guess the HF radio, duplex switcher & antenna cost more than our whole airplanes do. Go with a second antenna and be done with it. G --------------------------------- Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 05:08:41 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: elevator horn to HS gap On 5-Jan-08, at 13:15 , tom sargent wrote: > > I am finishing up various fiberglass tasks and am working on the > Horiz. Stab. end cap. How much of a gap should I have between the > end of the elevator horn and the aft face of the horiz. Stabilizer > end fairing? I assume you want more than minimum clearance? I'm > guessing that about a 1/8" gap when the elevator is at 0 deg. to the > HS is good. The manual (circa 1999) doesn't make any reference to it. 1/8" is probably lots for VFR flight. If you plan to fly IFR, you might consider the possibility of running into unplanned icing conditions. An ice build up on the elevator horn could lead to a control jam in pitch. For IFR flight in cloud, or at night, additional clearance might be wise. -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (final assemby) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 05:57:27 PM PST US From: halbenjamin@optonline.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 Paul, Dale, Chuck, Thanks for the help! I had seen Van's mixer, but never noticed the hole....Looks like that setup should work. Hal Benjamin ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 > I've got this one and will be installing this in my RV-4 > hopefully this weekend. I'll post my flight test > findings...what I like about it, is that I'll be able to plumb > the air right to the air vents, and get the right temperature > instead of having a heat blow on your feet. > > > Paul Besing > RV-4 N73DD > Arizona > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Dale Ensing > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2008 6:34:16 AM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 > > > > > > > > > > Hal, > > Have you checked out the mixer from > Van's? > > > > http://www.vansaircraft.com/cgi-bin/catalog.cgi?ident=1199460045- > 284-291&browse=heatvent&product=chv-1 > > > > It has an air bleed hole. Doesn't really dump all > the unused hot air but works very well. I have one on my 6A with > the hot air > from two heat muffs in tandem. Have been flying for three years > with this set up > and no problems. > > > > Dale Ensing > > Aero Plantation > > Weddington NC > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: > halbenjamin@optonline.net > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Sent: Friday, January 04, 2008 11:14 > PM > > Subject: RV-List: Heat boxes for > RV-4 > > > > > Hello All, > > > > I'm looking for a heat box for an RV-4 with air mixing > capability (cool > air, heated, or mixed) that allows for dumping of unused > heated air. > Looking at the ads online, I see heat boxes that will dump > unused hot > air, and heat boxes that can mix warm with cool air, but I > can't tell if any > of these will do both. Any tips would be appreciated. > > > > Thanks, > > > > Hal Benjamin - RV-4 > > Long Island, NY > > Finish kit & Spending money like a drunken sailor > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:04 PM PST US From: Tailgummer@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: One antena two radios how In a message dated 1/5/2008 3:07:09 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com writes: >From: _Tailgummer@aol.com_ (mailto:Tailgummer@aol.com) >Subject: Re: RV-List: One antenna two radios how >From Tailgummer's link this ITEM is what you need, and its $690.00 _http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=CI601_ (http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=CI601) There is no advantage of duplex off one antenna IMHO except the 0.30 mph drag you save at top speed. My situation is I have a #1 panel com. I can access the BNC connector on the floor and connect a coax jumper to my handheld if needed. Other wise my handheld uses its rubber duckie antenna & the audio is routed to the intercom. Its great for getting ATIS while #1 is on ATC. The handheld is temp mounted off the side of the panel, just for reciving. If I want to transmit with it I have to connect the external antenna to get max range and than connect the head set direct to the radio. This would be an emergency if #1 failed. A second antenna like a FOIL TAPE antenna in the wind screen, to improve the handhelds reception could be done with no drag penalty or long wing tip coax runs (cost and weight). I don't recommend a foil tape as a primary antenna for transmission & reception. ANY THING SHORT of a WHIP externally mounted 1/2 wave ground plane antenna is NOT going to be as good, ever compared to an internal antenna. The rubber duckie does good job, especially for ATIS 20 out. Hanging off the side of the panel, the antenna is just above the side rail. For two panel mounted VHF radios PUT in two antennas. I fly Boeing aircraft and we have TWO HF radios into one antenna. However you have to select one radio to transmit on. Also when you switch radios you have to KEY the mic and wait for it to switch & tune the antenna. You hear a tone for a few seconds. When the tone stops the switch and tuning has taken place. If you don't switch radios the switch/tune tone does not come back. If it detects a new radio or freq it will go through the switch tune process again. I'm going to guess the HF radio, duplex switcher & antenna cost more than our whole airplanes do. Go with a second antenna and be done with it. G (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) Please allow me to clarify, Mr gmcjetpilot, but _http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=CI601_ (http://www.aerocraftparts.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=CI601) was not my link. My post was with regard to using a HANDHELD as a 3rd (read: emergency backup) transceiver. An example is the ICOM "ANTSB" which sells for $69.95 from Chief aircraft (among other sources):. _http://www.chiefaircraft.com/cgi-bin/air/hazel.cgi/hzpi/u/HzSt02068SnM1JBhoe/hazel.cgi?action=serve &item=/Aircraft/Radios/Icom2.html_ (http://www.chiefaircraft.com/cgi-bin/air/hazel.cgi/hzpi/u/HzSt02068SnM1JBhoe/hazel.cgi?action=serve&item=/Aircraft/Radio s/Icom2.html) not the $690.00 as you quoted. This particular external antenna adapter was reviewed by Avionics West and recommended by them as an alternate method to extend the range of the ICOM handheld: _http://www.avionicswest.com/portablevhfadapter.html#1115_ (http://www.avionicswest.com/portablevhfadapter.html#1115) . MY particular radio setup includes a belly mounted bent whip (COM 1) and a Bob Archer experimental antenna (COM 2)... which, by the way, works just fine. MY setup utilizes the external antenna adapter for my HANDHELD, rather than installing yet one more bent whip (or other type) antenna. I can't imagine that for the kind of flying RV's do that any more redundancy is really needed. My post was not to infer that using this type of external antenna adapter was meant to be used instead of a dedicated second antenna. **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 10:01:09 PM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: RV-List: hangar lighting There was some discussion last month about hangar lights so I thought there might still be some interest in this. One of my neighbors just bought some 400 W metal halide low-bay lights for his business & hangar for a pretty good price & they appear to be high quality. The only downside is this seller sells them in lots of 10 (4 is all you should need in a 50x50 hangar). Search ebay for item 120205873311 then go to this seller's store to pick the right light. Be sure to check the input voltage. He's got some that are 120/240 volt & some that are 277/480 volt. Charlie ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:27 PM PST US From: "mike humphrey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Av-Map Gps Poor service Trevor, I also have an AvMap IV and have had nothing but great service from them in the US. My card needed to be updated to the 256MB also. They advised me to join the AvMap membership $79 USD and they would send me a new updated 256MB card free. Even sent a prepaid envelope for the old card to be mailed back to them. The membership is supposedly worldwide-have you tried it? www.avmap.us also info@avmap.us If you can get no joy email me back direct and I'll see about getting you one here and mailing it to you in SA. My old partner in London was from CT - he helped out a struggling yank new to the UK so I would like to return the favor. How's high summer? Freezing/wet here in the US. Cheers, RVers Stick Together Mike H 9A/8A PS-used the Airgizmos panel dock for my IV in the 9A. It will run the TruTrak ADI Pilot II also. Sweet. ----- Original Message ----- From: Trevor To: RV-List Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: RV-List: Av-Map Gps Poor service I purchased the Av-map EKP1V at Sun 'n Fun in April 2006. Unfortunately it did not have an African database, ( I live in South Africa) but I was assured that I would be able to swop the card out for one of Africa. I contacted the suppliers and asked them to have it at Oshkosh as I would be there. Needless to say it did not arrive but after phoning them from the convention they said they would bring a copy to the booth the next day. That also did not happen. To cut a long story short, I have been in contact with the factory in Italy and after initially saying they would swop my card for the Africa database they turned around and said it would cost 336 Euros! plus postage of another 40 Euros ( +/- $540!) - for a 256 mb flash card! Fortunately I did not buy the card at the time as the info was putrid to say the least - large towns were not even shown and no topography. This was in January 2007. They informed us that a new database was imminent as the cartographer they used was busy updating the info ( I suggested using Garmins or any other of hundreds of databases floating around) and so we hopefully awaited this new updated version. It is now January 2008 and I wonder if this company is really serious about delivering! And if so at what cost? The only reason I have persevered with them is that I had planned and cut my panel to accept the Av- Map. Has anyone out there had similar experiences or can someone point us to anyone that can tread on a few toes? Trevor RV-7 South Africa ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.