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1. 06:56 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (Bret Smith)
2. 07:02 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (Bret Smith)
3. 07:49 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (BRUCE GRAY)
4. 07:55 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (BRUCE GRAY)
5. 07:58 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (Bret Smith)
6. 11:15 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (Rick Galati)
7. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (Chuck Jensen)
8. 09:53 PM - Re: Heat boxes for RV-4 (halbenjamin@optonline.net)
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week |
$700+ to deliver a box from Oregon to Georgia. I have a friend here who
works for Caterpillar Tractor. They have 7 ton excavators delivered
from Washington State to Florida for less.
Bret
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From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:54 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week
Bret,
Which part is unbelievable to you?
K.
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From: Bret Smith
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:40 PM
Subject: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week
Well, it looks like I win the prize! I just called Ann at Vans
since my
finish kit ships this week. I asked her who she had it scheduled
with for
shipping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00!
I asked her to get a quote from several others and about a half-hour
later
she called me back. The best price to ship from Aurora, OR to
Mineral Bluff,
GA is $710 using FedEx Freight.
Unbelievable!
Bret Smith
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, Ga
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week |
I would save $70 by picking it up at the terminal in Chattanooga... 80 miles
away.
Bret
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From: "William Gill" <wgill10@comcast.net>
Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week
>
> Is it being delivered to your home or the terminal? Retrieving the kit
> shipments from the local (or nearest) trucking terminal can save you a
> bundle.
>
> Bill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:41 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week
>
>
> Well, it looks like I win the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my
> finish kit ships this week. I asked her who she had it scheduled with
> for
> shipping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00!
>
> I asked her to get a quote from several others and about a half-hour
> later
> she called me back. The best price to ship from Aurora, OR to Mineral
> Bluff,
> GA is $710 using FedEx Freight.
>
> Unbelievable!
>
>
> Bret Smith
> RV-9A N16BL
> Blue Ridge, Ga
> www.FlightInnovations.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week |
Bret,
WOW! I really feel for you. I know the shipping companies need to make mone
y but that is crazy. $700.00 could go to good use on some more airplane goo
dies. I was fortunate enough to kill to birds with one trip during Thanksgi
ving. I drove the family up to Beaverton,OR for Thanksgiving this year(her
side) which happens to be 25 minutes from Aurora(factory). So the 10 1/2 ho
urs up and the same back with a fuel cost of just under 300.00 put my finis
hing kit safe in the garage. It is nice to be somewhat local to factory for
reasons like shipping.
But all in all look at the airplane you'll have when done and the 700+ doll
ars spent on shipping will be a long lost memory.
Luck you don't live overseas and have to pay tax/duties and whatever else a
t you for wanting to build your own airplane.
Good luck with the project!
Bruce Gray
RV8 Fuse
Finishing Kit,wiring,Panel, and what ever else I can jump to.> From: smithh
b@tds.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipp
ing Cost...this week> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:40:34 -0500> > --> RV-List m
essage posted by: "Bret Smith" <smithhb@tds.net>> > Well, it looks like I w
in the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my> finish kit ships this wee
k. I asked her who she had it scheduled with for> shipping and the cost and
she told me ABF for $787.00!> > I asked her to get a quote from several ot
hers and about a half-hour later> she called me back. The best price to shi
p from Aurora, OR to Mineral Bluff,> GA is $710 using FedEx Freight.> > Unb
elievable!> > > Bret Smith> RV-9A N16BL> Blue Ridge, Ga> www.FlightInnovati
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| Subject: | Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week |
Bret,
I did forget I had my fuse shipped to the FedEx terminal local and pick it
up there. Saved about a 100.00 for 40 mile drive. Only thing was I had to u
nload the whole thing when I got home because of the weight. Worth the 100.
00 because it was like Christmas for 2 hours.
Take care,
Bruce G.> From: smithhb@tds.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV-Lis
t: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:40:34
ell, it looks like I win the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my> fin
ish kit ships this week. I asked her who she had it scheduled with for> shi
pping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00!> > I asked her to get a
quote from several others and about a half-hour later> she called me back.
The best price to ship from Aurora, OR to Mineral Bluff,> GA is $710 using
FedEx Freight.> > Unbelievable!> > > Bret Smith> RV-9A N16BL> Blue Ridge,
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week |
Thanks Jack, I checked with efreightline and they quoted $515.00. I'm going
with them if Vans hasn't shipped it yet... Waiting for Vans to open....
I owe you a cold one...or two
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Fuselage"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jack Hilditch" <wmjack1@t3cs.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:37 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week
>
> I don't know if it will help, but just for the heck of it, why don't you
> try
> getting a quote from a freight consolidator/forwarder such as
> www.efreightline.com? When I needed to ship engine parts from Little
> Rock, AR
> to Connecticut a few months ago, this company was able to negotiate a much
> better price than I could. When I get ready to order my 9A Finish kit
> later this
> year, that is what I will be doing (again.) Good luck.
>
> Jack Hilditch
> RV-9A Wings done, Emp. Done,
> Fuse past boat stage,
> working on engine & electrics.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith
> Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:41 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week
>
>
> Well, it looks like I win the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my
> finish kit ships this week. I asked her who she had it scheduled with for
> shipping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00!
>
> I asked her to get a quote from several others and about a half-hour later
> she called me back. The best price to ship from Aurora, OR to Mineral
> Bluff,
> GA is $710 using FedEx Freight.
>
> Unbelievable!
>
>
> Bret Smith
> RV-9A N16BL
> Blue Ridge, Ga
> www.FlightInnovations.com
>
>
> --
> AM
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week |
It has been my experience (twice) that the finish kit is more expensive to ship
because the materials are declared "plastic" as opposed to the other kits in
which the materials are declared "bar and angle stock." To further complicate
it, I called Van's to complain about the RV-8 finish kit shipping cost after
ABS reweighed the crate while it was enroute and determined it was lighter than
stated and ABS then tagged on an additional $150! I asked Van's why they didn't
just stick a lead weight in there to meet minimum weight standards and was
told by deleting the landing gear (I went with Grove) the RV-8 finish crate
becomes significantly lighter and they have had many complaints in the past.
When I then asked why they didn't just stick a lead weight in the crate or declare
the contents bar and angle stock, they laughed and said they thought about
doing that but it is illegal.
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla!"
RV-8 wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week |
This reweighing and freight reclassification is a Freight Industry
thing. The freight haulers have more ways to extract additional fees
out of shippers than an RV builder has rivets. There is a whole art to
it. We ship a few common carrier freight shipments a week and if we
don't go to the National Motor Freight Classification book (about 3"
thick) and find an appropriate Classification and then describe it
accurately, the shipping company will assign an arbitrary Classification
of 150 or even 250 to it instead of the 50 or 65 that is appropriate.
The reason this is important is the Classification is used as a
multiplier. After they add up the weight and the distance, then they
multiply it by the Classification, so Class 150 will cost three times as
much as Class 50.
And then, we get into weight density.... If the package is too light,
they charge you extra. If the package is too heavy, they charge you
extra. We joke that the freight is free, but they make their money on
the penalties, adders and fuel surcharge. Can you fight
it---absolutely, but remember, its only $150 and you only live so long,
so you have to pick your fights, and I'm not sure this is a good one.
If you really want to get outraged, look carefully at your phone bill!!!
Chuck Jensen
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Galati
Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:48 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week
It has been my experience (twice) that the finish kit is more expensive
to ship because the materials are declared "plastic" as opposed to the
other kits in which the materials are declared "bar and angle stock."
To further complicate it, I called Van's to complain about the RV-8
finish kit shipping cost after ABS reweighed the crate while it was
enroute and determined it was lighter than stated and ABS then tagged on
an additional $150! I asked Van's why they didn't just stick a lead
weight in there to meet minimum weight standards and was told by
deleting the landing gear (I went with Grove) the RV-8 finish crate
becomes significantly lighter and they have had many complaints in the
past. When I then asked why they didn't just stick a lead weight in the
crate or declare the contents bar and angle stock, they laughed and said
they thought about doing that but it is illegal.
Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla!"
RV-8 wiring
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| Subject: | Re: Heat boxes for RV-4 |
Thanks Paul.
Hal Benjamin
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----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4
> Not yet...but it's dead center behind the engine, about 4-6
> inches from the top of the firewall. That goes into a box on
> the cabin side of the firewall with two outlets going to the air
> vents.
> I will try to get some pics soon.
>
> Paul Besing
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: "halbenjamin@optonline.net"
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, January 7, 2008 7:42:01 PM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4
>
>
> Hi Paul,
>
>
>
> I'm working figuring out where to install all this stuff on the
> firewall, do you have any pictures of your installation?
>
>
>
> Hal
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Paul Besing
> Date: Monday, January 7, 2008 10:51 am
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>
> > Installation was pretty easy. I had a scat tube running from
> > the baffles to the firewall, into a box that splits to two
> scat
> > tubes going to the air vents, just below the panel on either
> > side of the fuselage. I simply plugged that box into the
> > firewall box, connected a cable and the heater tube. Haven't
> > used it yet, so I'm not sure how it's gonna work, but should
> be
> > flying in a few days.
> >
> > My biggest concern is there is no place to vent the heat
> > overboard. It's going to pre heat the mixer tube I imagine,
> > which might effect the temperature of cool air going in..
> We'll see.
> >
> > Paul Besing
> >
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