---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 01/08/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:56 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (Bret Smith) 2. 07:02 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (Bret Smith) 3. 07:49 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (BRUCE GRAY) 4. 07:55 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (BRUCE GRAY) 5. 07:58 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (Bret Smith) 6. 11:15 AM - Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (Rick Galati) 7. 04:37 PM - Re: Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week (Chuck Jensen) 8. 09:53 PM - Re: Heat boxes for RV-4 (halbenjamin@optonline.net) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:56:33 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week $700+ to deliver a box from Oregon to Georgia. I have a friend here who works for Caterpillar Tractor. They have 7 ton excavators delivered from Washington State to Florida for less. Bret do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Konrad L. Werner To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 10:54 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week Bret, Which part is unbelievable to you? K. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Bret Smith To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 6:40 PM Subject: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week Well, it looks like I win the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my finish kit ships this week. I asked her who she had it scheduled with for shipping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00! I asked her to get a quote from several others and about a half-hour later she called me back. The best price to ship from Aurora, OR to Mineral Bluff, GA is $710 using FedEx Freight. Unbelievable! Bret Smith RV-9A N16BL Blue Ridge, Ga www.FlightInnovations.comhttp://www.matronics.nbsp; via the Web href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com nbsp; generous bsp; href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ================ ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:02:52 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week I would save $70 by picking it up at the terminal in Chattanooga... 80 miles away. Bret do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "William Gill" Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 11:27 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week > > Is it being delivered to your home or the terminal? Retrieving the kit > shipments from the local (or nearest) trucking terminal can save you a > bundle. > > Bill > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 7:41 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week > > > Well, it looks like I win the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my > finish kit ships this week. I asked her who she had it scheduled with > for > shipping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00! > > I asked her to get a quote from several others and about a half-hour > later > she called me back. The best price to ship from Aurora, OR to Mineral > Bluff, > GA is $710 using FedEx Freight. > > Unbelievable! > > > Bret Smith > RV-9A N16BL > Blue Ridge, Ga > www.FlightInnovations.com > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:49:53 AM PST US From: BRUCE GRAY Subject: RE: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week Bret, WOW! I really feel for you. I know the shipping companies need to make mone y but that is crazy. $700.00 could go to good use on some more airplane goo dies. I was fortunate enough to kill to birds with one trip during Thanksgi ving. I drove the family up to Beaverton,OR for Thanksgiving this year(her side) which happens to be 25 minutes from Aurora(factory). So the 10 1/2 ho urs up and the same back with a fuel cost of just under 300.00 put my finis hing kit safe in the garage. It is nice to be somewhat local to factory for reasons like shipping. But all in all look at the airplane you'll have when done and the 700+ doll ars spent on shipping will be a long lost memory. Luck you don't live overseas and have to pay tax/duties and whatever else a t you for wanting to build your own airplane. Good luck with the project! Bruce Gray RV8 Fuse Finishing Kit,wiring,Panel, and what ever else I can jump to.> From: smithh b@tds.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipp ing Cost...this week> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:40:34 -0500> > --> RV-List m essage posted by: "Bret Smith" > > Well, it looks like I w in the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my> finish kit ships this wee k. I asked her who she had it scheduled with for> shipping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00!> > I asked her to get a quote from several ot hers and about a half-hour later> she called me back. The best price to shi p from Aurora, OR to Mineral Bluff,> GA is $710 using FedEx Freight.> > Unb elievable!> > > Bret Smith> RV-9A N16BL> Blue Ridge, Ga> www.FlightInnovati -======================== ==> > > _________________________________________________________________ Watch =93Cause Effect,=94 a show about real people making a real difference .. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:55:35 AM PST US From: BRUCE GRAY Subject: RE: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week Bret, I did forget I had my fuse shipped to the FedEx terminal local and pick it up there. Saved about a 100.00 for 40 mile drive. Only thing was I had to u nload the whole thing when I got home because of the weight. Worth the 100. 00 because it was like Christmas for 2 hours. Take care, Bruce G.> From: smithhb@tds.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV-Lis t: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week> Date: Mon, 7 Jan 2008 20:40:34 ell, it looks like I win the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my> fin ish kit ships this week. I asked her who she had it scheduled with for> shi pping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00!> > I asked her to get a quote from several others and about a half-hour later> she called me back. The best price to ship from Aurora, OR to Mineral Bluff,> GA is $710 using FedEx Freight.> > Unbelievable!> > > Bret Smith> RV-9A N16BL> Blue Ridge, ==========> > > _________________________________________________________________ Put your friends on the big screen with Windows Vista=AE + Windows Live=99. http://www.microsoft.com/windows/shop/specialoffers.mspx?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_C PC_MediaCtr_bigscreen_012008 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:58:06 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week Thanks Jack, I checked with efreightline and they quoted $515.00. I'm going with them if Vans hasn't shipped it yet... Waiting for Vans to open.... I owe you a cold one...or two Bret Smith RV-9A "Fuselage" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jack Hilditch" Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 12:37 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week > > I don't know if it will help, but just for the heck of it, why don't you > try > getting a quote from a freight consolidator/forwarder such as > www.efreightline.com? When I needed to ship engine parts from Little > Rock, AR > to Connecticut a few months ago, this company was able to negotiate a much > better price than I could. When I get ready to order my 9A Finish kit > later this > year, that is what I will be doing (again.) Good luck. > > Jack Hilditch > RV-9A Wings done, Emp. Done, > Fuse past boat stage, > working on engine & electrics. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith > Sent: Monday, January 07, 2008 8:41 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week > > > Well, it looks like I win the prize! I just called Ann at Vans since my > finish kit ships this week. I asked her who she had it scheduled with for > shipping and the cost and she told me ABF for $787.00! > > I asked her to get a quote from several others and about a half-hour later > she called me back. The best price to ship from Aurora, OR to Mineral > Bluff, > GA is $710 using FedEx Freight. > > Unbelievable! > > > Bret Smith > RV-9A N16BL > Blue Ridge, Ga > www.FlightInnovations.com > > > -- > AM > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:15:52 AM PST US From: Rick Galati Subject: RV-List: Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week It has been my experience (twice) that the finish kit is more expensive to ship because the materials are declared "plastic" as opposed to the other kits in which the materials are declared "bar and angle stock." To further complicate it, I called Van's to complain about the RV-8 finish kit shipping cost after ABS reweighed the crate while it was enroute and determined it was lighter than stated and ABS then tagged on an additional $150! I asked Van's why they didn't just stick a lead weight in there to meet minimum weight standards and was told by deleting the landing gear (I went with Grove) the RV-8 finish crate becomes significantly lighter and they have had many complaints in the past. When I then asked why they didn't just stick a lead weight in the crate or declare the contents bar and angle stock, they laughed and said they thought about doing that but it is illegal. Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla!" RV-8 wiring ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 04:37:04 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week From: "Chuck Jensen" This reweighing and freight reclassification is a Freight Industry thing. The freight haulers have more ways to extract additional fees out of shippers than an RV builder has rivets. There is a whole art to it. We ship a few common carrier freight shipments a week and if we don't go to the National Motor Freight Classification book (about 3" thick) and find an appropriate Classification and then describe it accurately, the shipping company will assign an arbitrary Classification of 150 or even 250 to it instead of the 50 or 65 that is appropriate. The reason this is important is the Classification is used as a multiplier. After they add up the weight and the distance, then they multiply it by the Classification, so Class 150 will cost three times as much as Class 50. And then, we get into weight density.... If the package is too light, they charge you extra. If the package is too heavy, they charge you extra. We joke that the freight is free, but they make their money on the penalties, adders and fuel surcharge. Can you fight it---absolutely, but remember, its only $150 and you only live so long, so you have to pick your fights, and I'm not sure this is a good one. If you really want to get outraged, look carefully at your phone bill!!! Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Rick Galati Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2008 1:48 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: Finishing Kit Shipping Cost...this week It has been my experience (twice) that the finish kit is more expensive to ship because the materials are declared "plastic" as opposed to the other kits in which the materials are declared "bar and angle stock." To further complicate it, I called Van's to complain about the RV-8 finish kit shipping cost after ABS reweighed the crate while it was enroute and determined it was lighter than stated and ABS then tagged on an additional $150! I asked Van's why they didn't just stick a lead weight in there to meet minimum weight standards and was told by deleting the landing gear (I went with Grove) the RV-8 finish crate becomes significantly lighter and they have had many complaints in the past. When I then asked why they didn't just stick a lead weight in the crate or declare the contents bar and angle stock, they laughed and said they thought about doing that but it is illegal. Rick Galati RV-6A "Darla!" RV-8 wiring ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:53:19 PM PST US From: halbenjamin@optonline.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 Thanks Paul. Hal Benjamin Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 > Not yet...but it's dead center behind the engine, about 4-6 > inches from the top of the firewall. That goes into a box on > the cabin side of the firewall with two outlets going to the air > vents. > I will try to get some pics soon. > > Paul Besing > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: "halbenjamin@optonline.net" > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Monday, January 7, 2008 7:42:01 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 > > > Hi Paul, > > > > I'm working figuring out where to install all this stuff on the > firewall, do you have any pictures of your installation? > > > > Hal > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Paul Besing > Date: Monday, January 7, 2008 10:51 am > Subject: Re: RV-List: Heat boxes for RV-4 > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > > Installation was pretty easy. I had a scat tube running from > > the baffles to the firewall, into a box that splits to two > scat > > tubes going to the air vents, just below the panel on either > > side of the fuselage. I simply plugged that box into the > > firewall box, connected a cable and the heater tube. Haven't > > used it yet, so I'm not sure how it's gonna work, but should > be > > flying in a few days. > > > > My biggest concern is there is no place to vent the heat > > overboard. It's going to pre heat the mixer tube I imagine, > > which might effect the temperature of cool air going in.. > We'll see. > > > > Paul Besing > > > > > > > > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.