---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 01/13/08: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 11:08 AM - RV-4 Rudder .020 skin problem (Paul Besing) 2. 11:51 AM - Re: Cheaper 406mhz plb alternative? (John Morgensen) 3. 11:54 AM - Re: RV-4 Rudder .020 skin problem (Doug Weiler) 4. 03:02 PM - Re: RV8 Sliding Canopy Question (William Davis) 5. 06:31 PM - Re: RV8 Sliding Canopy Question (Tailgummer@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 11:08:50 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Rudder .020 skin problem For those of you building an RV-4 or going to, and you have the .020 skin for the rudder (not sure if they are shipping it, but it is an option, and recommended to keep the trailing edge from cracking) read this and apply to your project. The drawing 7a calls for the stiffeners to extend to 3/16" of the radius of the trailing edge bend on the skin. Do NOT put your stiffeners there. Bring them to about 3/8" back from the radius. The reason is, the thicker material allows for less space at the radius and the skin will not be able to bend completely when it's time to "crush" the trailing edge. I had to drill out every stiffener, shorten them, and re rivet them in place. After I did that, it worked perfectly. Only now, this skin isn't perfect from all the crushing I was doing on it trying to get it to bend. For the archives. Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:51:13 AM PST US From: John Morgensen Subject: Re: RV-List: Cheaper 406mhz plb alternative? My brother-in-law told me about Spot after he saw it in action at a Colorado company that rents helicopters in Mexico. Near real-time tracking of expensive assets including Lat/Long and altitude. I had already splurged on a PLB so I didn't follow up and have no first-hand experience. If you fly in the mountains or remote areas, it seems like a good idea... we are still looking for Steve Fossett near Reno. John Morgensen Ralph Finch wrote: > > I attended a presentation on this device a few days ago. > > - It absolutely does not replace any kind of ELT on aircraft. You must > still have an ELT, either 121.5 or 406 MHz. > > - It is a private satellite service. You don't pay the annual fee, it > doesn't work for you. > > It seems to be an initially cheaper alternative to portable PLBs, but they > then charge annual fees to make up the cheaper purchase price. Seems really > designed for outdoors hikers, backpackers, sportsmen, etc. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charlie England > Sent: Wednesday, January 09, 2008 7:18 PM > To: aeroelectric list; RV list > Subject: RV-List: Cheaper 406mhz plb alternative? > > > Anyone know any details about this product? > > http://www.findmespot.com/explorespot/spotmessenger.aspx > > IF it's using the public SARSAT satellites, maybe it would still work after > the 1st mandatory subscription lapses. (Still be a lot cheaper than typical > PLBs with built in GPS.) > > Charlie > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:54:27 AM PST US From: "Doug Weiler" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-4 Rudder .020 skin problem Hi Paul: I did this conversion to my flying RV (got rudder and elevator cracks after 30 hours of flying... fortunately not painted). I reskinned both elevators and rudder with .020 skins and also added an additional stiffener by reducing the spacing between what was originally laid out in the plans. I positioned the stiffeners as you outlined below. I now have 450 hours on the airplane with a beautiful paint job and no cracks. I am now building an RV-7 which has .020 elevators and .016 rudder skins but I have heard of no issues with RV-7 rudder cracks. We'll see. Doug Weiler Hudson, WI N722DW ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2008 1:07 PM Subject: RV-List: RV-4 Rudder .020 skin problem For those of you building an RV-4 or going to, and you have the .020 skin for the rudder (not sure if they are shipping it, but it is an option, and recommended to keep the trailing edge from cracking) read this and apply to your project. The drawing 7a calls for the stiffeners to extend to 3/16" of the radius of the trailing edge bend on the skin. Do NOT put your stiffeners there. Bring them to about 3/8" back from the radius. The reason is, the thicker material allows for less space at the radius and the skin will not be able to bend completely when it's time to "crush" the trailing edge. I had to drill out every stiffener, shorten them, and re rivet them in place. After I did that, it worked perfectly. Only now, this skin isn't perfect from all the crushing I was doing on it trying to get it to bend. For the archives. Paul Besing RV-4 N73DD Arizona ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 03:02:50 PM PST US From: William Davis Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 Sliding Canopy Question Walt. I am still selling my RV-8 Canopy latch. For details, see http:// home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/rv8-latch.html Bill Davis > > What solutions have others come up with to pull sliding canopies > forward when you're in the front seat of a taildragger and the > canopy is all the way back? I've seen some pretty ingenious > cranking mechanisms, but would rather not get into that much > effort. Maybe a pull cord, etc.? (Man, this was never a problem on > my 8A) > > Walt Shipley > > _ > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:31:31 PM PST US From: Tailgummer@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: RV8 Sliding Canopy Question Bill, I have one of your latches, and it works just fine. Thanks for making these available to us. John D'Onofrio RV8 In a message dated 1/13/2008 3:05:02 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, rvpilot@embarqmail.com writes: Walt. I am still selling my RV-8 Canopy latch. For details, see _http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/rv8-latch.html_ (http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/rv8-latch.html) Bill Davis (mailto:rveighta@earthlink.net) > What solutions have others come up with to pull sliding canopies forward when you're in the front seat of a taildragger and the canopy is all the way back? I've seen some pretty ingenious cranking mechanisms, but would rather not get into that much effort. Maybe a pull cord, etc.? (Man, this was never a problem on my 8A) Walt Shipley _ (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Start the year off right. 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