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1. 04:10 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Dana Overall)
2. 04:17 AM - Black Magic flies (Dana Overall)
3. 05:45 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Richard McBride)
4. 06:46 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (wgill10@comcast.net)
5. 06:57 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Mike Robertson)
6. 07:15 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Richard McBride)
7. 07:25 AM - Re: Black Magic flies (Konrad L. Werner)
8. 07:45 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Bret Smith)
9. 08:25 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Chuck Jensen)
10. 08:45 AM - Re: Black Magic flies (Tim Bryan)
11. 09:16 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Ralph Finch)
12. 09:34 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Mike Robertson)
13. 09:45 AM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Richard McBride)
14. 10:39 AM - New Alternative to PayPal... (kirt klevin)
15. 12:10 PM - How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz alternatives? (Chris W)
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20. 03:05 PM - Re: How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz alternatives? (Ron Lee)
21. 03:12 PM - Re: How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz alternatives? (John Morgensen)
22. 04:09 PM - Re: Black Magic flies (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
23. 05:27 PM - Re: 406 MHz alternatives? (David Cudney)
24. 06:04 PM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Ralph Hoover)
25. 06:10 PM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Carl Bell)
26. 06:12 PM - Re: IFR GPS requirements (Ralph Hoover)
27. 06:22 PM - Re: Black Magic flies (RV6 Flyer)
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
If I am not mistaken, the posters major concern was the 337. Not required.
Even in a certified install, a newly installed IFR GPS must be test flow
n to insure it's accuracy in the various modes, approaches, inroute, etc.
We in experimentals, need to make log book entries prior to IFR, just as w
e must for acro, which to me indicates we do the same flight tests ONLY, n
o biggie.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Flying
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_065.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | Black Magic flies |
For those not over on Doug's site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=25638
Great weekend.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
Flying
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_065.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
I had a similar question with my -8. I was getting a similar response from
the Washington DC FSDO. They didn't require a 337 but did want me to have
an IA fly the flight test regime. That wasn't about to happen.
Consequently, the rep from the FSDO and myself got in touch with the FAA
HQs. I was told all I needed to do was perform the ground and flight tests
and fill out the appropriate documentation and make the log book entry. I
got a copy of the test program from John Stark. It was not a big deal. The
tests are really only to ensure no interference and that the GPS operates to
a level of accuracy. If anyone is interested I can provide a copy of my two
tests.
Rick McBride
RV-8 N523RJ
Centreville, VA
>From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:06:34 -0500
>
>
>If I am not mistaken, the posters major concern was the 337. Not required.
> Even in a certified install, a newly installed IFR GPS must be test
>flown to insure it's accuracy in the various modes, approaches, inroute,
>etc. We in experimentals, need to make log book entries prior to IFR,
>just as we must for acro, which to me indicates we do the same flight
>tests ONLY, no biggie.
>
>Dana Overall
>
>Richmond, KY i39
>
>RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
>Flying
>O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
>
>http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
>http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_065.jpg
>http://rvflying.tripod.com
>
>do not archive
>
>
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
Hello Rick,
Please post the tests and/or test program provided by John Stark (or send off-line).
I have read the ground and flight test portions of AC 20-138A and can perform
those tests and make an entry into the aircraft logbook. Thank you everyone
for the excellent guidance here.
Bill
RV-7 N151WP
Lee's Summit, MO
-------------- Original message --------------
From: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8@msn.com>
>
> I had a similar question with my -8. I was getting a similar response from
> the Washington DC FSDO. They didn't require a 337 but did want me to have
> an IA fly the flight test regime. That wasn't about to happen.
> Consequently, the rep from the FSDO and myself got in touch with the FAA
> HQs. I was told all I needed to do was perform the ground and flight tests
> and fill out the appropriate documentation and make the log book entry. I
> got a copy of the test program from John Stark. It was not a big deal. The
> tests are really only to ensure no interference and that the GPS operates to
> a level of accuracy. If anyone is interested I can provide a copy of my two
> tests.
>
> Rick McBride
> RV-8 N523RJ
> Centreville, VA
>
>
> >From: Dana Overall
> >To:
> >Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
> >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:06:34 -0500
> >
> >
> >If I am not mistaken, the posters major concern was the 337. Not required.
> > Even in a certified install, a newly installed IFR GPS must be test
> >flown to insure it's accuracy in the various modes, approaches, inroute,
> >etc. We in experimentals, need to make log book entries prior to IFR,
> >just as we must for acro, which to me indicates we do the same flight
> >tests ONLY, no biggie.
> >
> >Dana Overall
> >
> >Richmond, KY i39
> >
> >RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> >Flying
> >O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
> >
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_065.jpg
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.
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>
>
>
>
>
>
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<DIV>Hello Rick,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Please post the tests and/or test program provided by John Stark (or send
off-line). I have read the ground and flight test portions of AC 20-138A and can
perform those tests and make an entry into the aircraft logbook. Thank you
everyone for the excellent guidance here.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bill</DIV>
<DIV>RV-7 N151WP</DIV>
<DIV>Lee's Summit, MO</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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solid">-------------- Original message -------------- <BR>From: "Richard McBride"
<rickrv8@msn.com> <BR><BR>> --> RV-List message posted by: "Richard
McBride" <RICKRV8@MSN.COM><BR>> <BR>> I had a similar question with
my -8. I was getting a similar response from <BR>> the Washington DC FSDO.
They didn't require a 337 but did want me to have <BR>> an IA fly the flight
test regime. That wasn't about to happen. <BR>> Consequently, the rep
from the FSDO and myself got in touch with the FAA <BR>> HQs. I was told all
I needed to do was perform the ground and flight tests <BR>> and fill out
the appropriate documentation and make the log book entry. I <BR>> got a
copy of the test program from John Stark. It was not a big deal. The <BR>>
tests are really only to ensure no interference and that the GPS operates to <BR>>
a level of accuracy. If anyone is interested
I can
Imron
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
Rick is absolutely correct on this issue. Fly a test flight to insure ever
ything is working properly, make a logbook entry to validate the tests and
have a good day. There is NO such thing as a 337 for experimental amateur
built aircraft.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> From: rickrv8@msn.com> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: I
FR GPS requirements> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:42:53 -0500> > --> RV-List m
essage posted by: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8@msn.com>> > I had a similar qu
estion with my -8. I was getting a similar response from > the Washington D
C FSDO. They didn't require a 337 but did want me to have > an IA fly the f
light test regime. That wasn't about to happen. > Consequently, the rep fro
m the FSDO and myself got in touch with the FAA > HQs. I was told all I nee
ded to do was perform the ground and flight tests > and fill out the approp
riate documentation and make the log book entry. I > got a copy of the test
program from John Stark. It was not a big deal. The > tests are really onl
y to ensure no interference and that the GPS operates to > a level of accur
acy. If anyone is interested I can provide a copy of my two > tests.> > Ric
k McBride> RV-8 N523RJ> Centreville, VA> > > >From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@h
> >Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements> >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:0
6:34 -0500> >> >> >If I am not mistaken, the posters major concern was the
337. Not required. > > Even in a certified install, a newly installed IFR G
PS must be test > >flown to insure it's accuracy in the various modes, appr
oaches, inroute, > >etc. We in experimentals, need to make log book entries
prior to IFR, > >just as we must for acro, which to me indicates we do the
same flight > >tests ONLY, no biggie.> >> >Dana Overall> >> >Richmond, KY
i39> >> >RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"> >Flying> >O 360 A1A, C/S
C2YR-1BF/F7666A4> >> >http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg> >http
://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_065.jpg> >http://rvflying.tripod.com> >>
>do not archive> >> >> >> >_______________________________________________
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
Bill,
I'll send you four documents directly. If anyone else would like a copy
please just let me know.
Rick McBride
>From: wgill10@comcast.net
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 14:43:56 +0000
>
>Hello Rick,
>
>Please post the tests and/or test program provided by John Stark (or send
>off-line). I have read the ground and flight test portions of AC 20-138A
>and can perform those tests and make an entry into the aircraft logbook.
>Thank you everyone for the excellent guidance here.
>
>Bill
>RV-7 N151WP
>Lee's Summit, MO
>
>-------------- Original message --------------
>From: "Richard McBride" <rickrv8@msn.com>
>
> >
> > I had a similar question with my -8. I was getting a similar response
>from
> > the Washington DC FSDO. They didn't require a 337 but did want me to
>have
> > an IA fly the flight test regime. That wasn't about to happen.
> > Consequently, the rep from the FSDO and myself got in touch with the FAA
> > HQs. I was told all I needed to do was perform the ground and flight
>tests
> > and fill out the appropriate documentation and make the log book entry.
>I
> > got a copy of the test program from John Stark. It was not a big deal.
>The
> > tests are really only to ensure no interference and that the GPS
>operates to
> > a level of accuracy. If anyone is interested I can provide a copy of my
>two
> > tests.
> >
> > Rick McBride
> > RV-8 N523RJ
> > Centreville, VA
> >
> >
> > >From: Dana Overall
> > >To:
> > >Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
> > >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:06:34 -0500
> > >
> > >
> > >If I am not mistaken, the posters major concern was the 337. Not
>required.
> > > Even in a certified install, a newly installed IFR GPS must be test
> > >flown to insure it's accuracy in the various modes, approaches,
>inroute,
> > >etc. We in experimentals, need to make log book entries prior to IFR,
> > >just as we must for acro, which to me indicates we do the same flight
> > >tests ONLY, no biggie.
> > >
> > >Dana Overall
> > >
> > >Richmond, KY i39
> > >
> > >RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> > >Flying
> > >O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
> > >
> > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
> > >http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_065.jpg
> > >http://rvflying.tripod.com
> > >
> > >do not archive
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >_________________________________________________________________
> > >Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.
> >
> >http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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| Subject: | Re: Black Magic flies |
CONGRATULATIONS DANA !!!
I remember the day you come on board here. How time flies...
Konrad
----- Original Message -----
From: Dana Overall
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 5:14 AM
Subject: RV-List: Black Magic flies
For those not over on Doug's site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=25638
Great weekend.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Flying
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_065.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: IFR GPS requirements |
I know this is a little drift to the thread...but since Mike has entered
the fray I would like his input on another recent declaration. A fellow
pilot just told me this past week that he had read in a popular
aero-related magazine that aircraft with "composite props" could not be
certified for IFR flights. He could not remember which magazine. Can
anyone confirm this?
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Finishing"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Robertson
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 9:54 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
Rick is absolutely correct on this issue. Fly a test flight to insure
everything is working properly, make a logbook entry to validate the
tests and have a good day. There is NO such thing as a 337 for
experimental amateur built aircraft.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
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> From: rickrv8@msn.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
> Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 08:42:53 -0500
>
>
> I had a similar question with my -8. I was getting a similar
response from
> the Washington DC FSDO. They didn't require a 337 but did want me to
have
> an IA fly the flight test regime. That wasn't about to happen.
> Consequently, the rep from the FSDO and myself got in touch with the
FAA
> HQs. I was told all I needed to do was perform the ground and flight
tests
> and fill out the appropriate documentation and make the log book
entry. I
> got a copy of the test program from John Stark. It was not a big
deal. The
> tests are really only to ensure no interference and that the GPS
operates to
> a level of accuracy. If anyone is interested I can provide a copy of
my two
> tests.
>
> Rick McBride
> RV-8 N523RJ
> Centreville, VA
>
>
> >From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
> >To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> >Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
> >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 07:06:34 -0500
> >
> >
> >If I am not mistaken, the posters major concern was the 337. Not
required.
> > Even in a certified install, a newly installed IFR GPS must be
test
> >flown to insure it's accuracy in the various modes, approaches,
inroute,
> >etc. We in experimentals, need to make log book entries prior to
IFR,
> >just as we must for acro, which to me indicates we do the same
flight
> >tests ONLY, no biggie.
> >
> >Dana Overall
> >
> >Richmond, KY i39
> >
> >RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic"
> >Flying
> >O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
> >
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_065.jpg
> >http://rvflying.tripod.com
> >
> >do not archive
> >
> >
> >
> >_________________________________________________________________
> >Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live.
>
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
Well, someone read it so it must be true....or not. How does stupid
stuff like that get started and how does it seem to take on a life of
its own? It's a scary world we live in!
Chuck Jensen
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bret Smith
I know this is a little drift to the thread...but since Mike has entered
the fray I would like his input on another recent declaration. A fellow
pilot just told me this past week that he had read in a popular
aero-related magazine that aircraft with "composite props" could not be
certified for IFR flights. He could not remember which magazine. Can
anyone confirm this?
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Finishing"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
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| Subject: | Black Magic flies |
Dana, wow how time, I mean planes fly. Great Job!
Tim
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 6:15 AM
Subject: RV-List: Black Magic flies
For those not over on Doug's site:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=25638
Great weekend.
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider, Imron black, "Black Magic" Flying
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_065.jpg
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
I would like them too please.
Ralph Finch
Davis, California
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard McBride
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:11 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
Bill,
I'll send you four documents directly. If anyone else would like a copy
please just let me know.
Rick McBride
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
Bret,
That is absolutely false. I fly behind a composite prop myself and the RV-
9A that I fly is fully IFR ready.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirementsDate: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 11:21:08 -
0500From: cjensen@dts9000.comTo: rv-list@matronics.com
Well, someone read it so it must be true....or not. How does stupid stuff
like that get started and how does it seem to take on a life of its own? I
t's a scary world we live in!
Chuck Jensen
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com]On Behalf Of Bret Smith
I know this is a little drift to the thread...but since Mike has entered th
e fray I would like his input on another recent declaration. A fellow pilo
t just told me this past week that he had read in a popular aero-related ma
gazine that aircraft with "composite props" could not be certified for IFR
flights. He could not remember which magazine. Can anyone confirm this?
Bret SmithRV-9A "Finishing"Blue Ridge, GAwww.FlightInnovations.com
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
Ralph,
I've attached four documents. One just outlines the requirements. The
other three are the addendum to the POH and the ground and flight results.
Rick
>From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf@dcn.davis.ca.us>
>To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
>Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2008 09:11:54 -0800
>
>
>I would like them too please.
>
>Ralph Finch
>Davis, California
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard McBride
>Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 7:11 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
>
>
>Bill,
>
>I'll send you four documents directly. If anyone else would like a copy
>please just let me know.
>
>Rick McBride
>
>
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| Subject: | How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz alternatives? |
It sounds like people are looking for something better than an ELT to
help people find them after a crash. I have an idea that I think is
worth exploring. To be legal you will still need an ELT or some other
"official" device. In order to do this you would have to get a HAM
radio license, but that should be a deterrent, any one who can build an
air plane should be able to pass the amazingly simple 35 question test
to get their call sign (Morse code is no longer required for any ham
license). In ham radio we have this thing called APRS (Automatic
Position Reporting System). All you need is a GPS receiver with a
serial output, a transmitter with antenna, and a TNC. In ham radio a
TNC is used to convert digital data to audio tones in a similar way that
a telephone modem does. There are a few special purpose TNCs that are
just for APRS and they cost less than $50. Some are so small that they
could be installed inside the transmitter. A good 2 meter transmitter
can be found new for $160 or less. You wouldn't have to fly much more
than 1000' AGL to get at least a 100 mile range. If you had a good
antenna and were over 5000' AGL a 300 mile range wouldn't be
surprising. There are enough repeaters and monitoring stations around
the USA to give you coverage if your range is 100 miles. The repeaters
and monitoring stations then send the data to the internet where anyone
can go online and find where you are at. Go here to find where I am at.
http://www.findu.com/cgi-bin/find.cgi?call=ke5gix
If you have friends that know that you are out flying somewhere they can
check and find out where you were when you last transmitted your
position. Not only will it tell them where you were it will tell them
when you were there, how fast you were going and in what direction. The
TNC I use is called an "Open Tracker" and has 2 configurations that can
be changed with a flip of a switch. In normal flight you could have it
set to transmit your position once every 5 minutes. Then in an
emergency, you could flip the switch and have it transmit every 15
seconds along with an emergency message so anyone who sees the position
report will know you are in trouble. Even if you didn't flip the
switch, the standard mode will transmit your position more rapidly if
there is any significant change in course.
Obviously this isn't the best system because once you are on the ground
the range of the system isn't near as great, and if you go down in the
middle of nowhere, there may not be a repeater or monitoring station in
range. However, there will be a record of your recent flight history on
the internet for anyone to see and you will have a transmitter that is
probably more useful in finding help than just an air band radio. There
are satellites for ham radio but there aren't very many so, you could
end up having to wait nearly 20 hours before one was overhead and you
could get a signal out. The most common one you could use to retransmit
your emergency position report is the International Space Stations that
orbits the earth about every 90 minutes. However, it's orbit is such
that only 2 or 3 passes each day will be in range of a given point on
the earth. I think there are other satellites up there that could be
used for that but I haven't got into it enough to know for sure.
If you want to spend the money and get a nice radio with a lot of these
features built in, you can also see weather reports on the screen.
Along with position data, fixed stations that have a weather station can
also transmit the weather conditions along with their position reports.
When I get my base station reorganized the way I want, I will be doing
this. I can't really say how many people do that so how useful it would
be in flight is unknown.
--
Chris W
KE5GIX
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| Subject: | Re: How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz alternatives? |
Chris W wrote:
...snip...
>
> If you want to spend the money and get a nice radio with a lot of
> these features built in, you can also see weather reports on the
> screen. Along with position data, fixed stations that have a weather
> station can also transmit the weather conditions along with their
> position reports. When I get my base station reorganized the way I
> want, I will be doing this. I can't really say how many people do
> that so how useful it would be in flight is unknown.
>
>
I'm interested. Can you point to products for someone with zero HAM
knowledge?
John Morgensen
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| Subject: | Re: How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz alternatives? |
I've said before that if we could have a personal tracker PC program that
you could setup to ping your tracking cell phone every five minutes and update
itself as to location, everyone could help in their own rescue if it were
needed. Any takers?
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 883hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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| Subject: | Re: How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz alternatives? |
On 14:07 2008-01-16 Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
> I've said before that if we could have a personal tracker PC program
> that you could setup to ping your tracking cell phone every five
> minutes and update itself as to location, everyone could help in
> their own rescue if it were needed. Any takers?
Interesting, but unfortunately only useful in areas with Cell coverage.
That means not useful for flying in the Pacific Northwet, where you quickly
get into areas without coverage.
So far the best solutions still seem to be the Spot and the APRS, although
the APRS solution also needs coverage by the APRS repeaters. I don't have
a feel for how good that coverage is.
For that matter, I don't have a feel for how good the coverage of a
satellite phone is either, and that's what the Spot system uses. Does
anyone know how constant the coverage is, or if it will go to nothing if
you crash in a valley?
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz alternatives? |
John Morgensen wrote:
>
> I'm interested. Can you point to products for someone with zero HAM
> knowledge?
>
> John Morgensen
For a basic radio to transmit the position reports I would pick this one....
http://www.texastowers.com/tm271ak.htm
The nice thing about that radio for emergencies is it puts out lots of
power and in standby mode between transmissions, it draws less than
250ma with the display back light off.
For a fancy radio that will transmit the position reports as well as
display position reports from other stations on the screen and display
weather data for other stations, this is pretty much the best radio...
http://universal-radio.com/catalog/fm_txvrs/0710.html
That radio can also be had at Texas Towers but for some reason they
don't have it on their web site. I like Texas towers as a business
better than Universal Radio but their web site doesn't have much on it.
If you want a GPS receiver just for this, I would suggest this one....
https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=61&osCsid=1li39b4ffp9fv3k7km6mkbfva6
or maybe
https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=23&products_id=37
They both are small and use very little power.
The open tracker TNC can be had here....
https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=72
If you don't mind soldering the TNC to wires and hooking it up to the
radio inside you can get the tiny version of the open tracker here
https://www.argentdata.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=22&products_id=64
For more information on the Open Tracker project go here
http://n1vg.net/opentracker/
You will also need to buy or build wires to hook everything together.
If you use the expensive radio, you don't need the TNC as it has that
built in. If you use the basic radio, you can hook up the TNC either
via the Microphone and speaker jack or you can order a cable that for
some bizarre reason Kenwood only sells in the European version of the
radio. The cable is only $12 from one of the Kenwood parts stores and
it is pretty simple to take the top of the radio and install the wire to
a plug on the circuit board. That way is much nicer because then you
can have the microphone also hooked up for voice communication.
There are lots of antenna options. The antenna can be just like the
antennas for you com radio, they just need to be a little shorter since
the 2 meter ham band is at a little higher frequency (144 - 148Mhz).
Depending on your power setting, the radio will need 3 to 10 amps during
transmit, however each position report takes less than 1 second, so if
it is set to transmit your position once every 2 to 5 minutes after you
are on the ground, it shouldn't need too big of a battery.
--
Chris W
KE5GIX
"Protect your digital freedom and privacy, eliminate DRM,
learn more at http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm"
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| Subject: | Re: How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz alternatives? |
How would that work in the remote parts of the west and mountains were I
fly?
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Vanremog@aol.com
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz
alternatives?
I've said before that if we could have a personal tracker PC program
that you could setup to ping your tracking cell phone every five minutes
and update itself as to location, everyone could help in their own
rescue if it were needed. Any takers?
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| Subject: | Re: How To Found: was Home-made 406 MHz alternatives? |
No offense, but cell phone coverage in the Sierra Nevada Mountains is
spotty at best. If I am going to crash, the odds are that it will be in
the most inaccessible place you can imagine. The PLB and Spot systems
are satellite based and should work anywhere on the planet that you can
get a GPS signal. I would like to learn more about the APRS system
mentioned by Chris W.
John Morgensen
Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
> I've said before that if we could have a personal tracker PC program
> that you could setup to ping your tracking cell phone every five
> minutes and update itself as to location, everyone could help in their
> own rescue if it were needed. Any takers?
>
>
>
> *N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 883hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)*
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| Subject: | Re: Black Magic flies |
In a message dated 01/16/2008 6:19:46 AM Central Standard Time,
bo124rs@hotmail.com writes:
Great weekend.
>>>
After all this time, I figgered it'd be a cold day in.........Kentucky (!)
when you got that thing in the air! Way to freakin' GO! Big time congrats to
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| Subject: | Re: 406 MHz alternatives? |
I had the opportunity to fly in the Alaskan wilderness last summer.
We, Loretta and I, were instructed in the use of a satellite phone
which was on board in case of an emergency. It was simple to use and
as I recall costs were a couple of bucks a call depending on the
length of the call. The guide mentioned that the cost of satellite
phones has dropped recently to make them competitive with cell phones
-- at least for occasional use. They are also much smaller than I
remembered. I would consider their use particularly if you are flying
over sparely populated areas where cell phone coverage might not be
reliable.
dave
RV7A--90% done 90% to go
On Jan 16, 2008, at 3:10 PM, John Morgensen wrote:
> No offense, but cell phone coverage in the Sierra Nevada Mountains
> is spotty at best. If I am going to crash, the odds are that it will
> be in the most inaccessible place you can imagine. The PLB and Spot
> systems are satellite based and should work anywhere on the planet
> that you can get a GPS signal. I would like to learn more about the
> APRS system mentioned by Chris W.
>
> John Morgensen
>
> Vanremog@aol.com wrote:
>>
>> I've said before that if we could have a personal tracker PC
>> program that you could setup to ping your tracking cell phone every
>> five minutes and update itself as to location, everyone could help
>> in their own rescue if it were needed. Any takers?
>>
>>
>>
>> N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 883hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
>>
>>
>>
>> Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.
>>
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
>> href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
>> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
Rick,
I will be going through the same thing when I get a little farther
down the road. Posting the tests from John would probably benefit a
number of folks.
Thank you.
--
Ralph C. Hoover
RV7A
hooverra at verizon dot net
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
Mike,
I'm curious, what composite prop are you using. I'm looking for an
alternative to a metal prop that may run smoother. Thx CJ
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson
Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 12:31 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
Bret,
That is absolutely false. I fly behind a composite prop myself and the
RV-9A that I fly is fully IFR ready.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
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Subject: RE: RV-List: IFR GPS requirements
From: cjensen@dts9000.com
Well, someone read it so it must be true....or not. How does stupid stuff
like that get started and how does it seem to take on a life of its own?
It's a scary world we live in!
Chuck Jensen
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bret Smith
I know this is a little drift to the thread...but since Mike has entered the
fray I would like his input on another recent declaration. A fellow pilot
just told me this past week that he had read in a popular aero-related
magazine that aircraft with "composite props" could not be certified for IFR
flights. He could not remember which magazine. Can anyone confirm this?
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Finishing"
Blue Ridge, GA
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| Subject: | IFR GPS requirements |
I replied too soon, You posted and I now have them also. Thanks:)
"Ralph,
I've attached four documents. One just outlines the requirements. The
other three are the addendum to the POH and the ground and flight results.
Rick
From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf@dcn.davis.ca.us>
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RV7A
hooverra at verizon dot net
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| Subject: | Black Magic flies |
Congratulations! I hope that TAX TIME does not get in the way of Flight Te
sting.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,075 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
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