---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 01/21/08: 26 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 07:35 AM - Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location (Brian Kraut) 2. 09:06 AM - control vision exp2buss (Bert Murillo) 3. 09:35 AM - On fuel pumps and rivets (Wheeler North) 4. 10:01 AM - Re: control vision exp2buss (Carlos Hernandez) 5. 10:08 AM - Re: control vision exp2buss (Carlos Hernandez) 6. 10:20 AM - Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin (Ron Lee) 7. 10:25 AM - Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location (steveadams) 8. 10:29 AM - Re: Left OVers for Sale (Chuck Weyant) 9. 10:59 AM - Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin (Brian Kraut) 10. 11:42 AM - Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin (Greg Young) 11. 11:49 AM - Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin (Bill Boyd) 12. 11:52 AM - Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin (darnpilot@aol.com) 13. 12:41 PM - Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin (Chuck Jensen) 14. 01:57 PM - Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin (Arthur Glaser) 15. 03:28 PM - nose gear + 3 blade prop (tom sargent) 16. 03:46 PM - Re: nose gear + 3 blade prop (Ralph E. Capen) 17. 03:46 PM - Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin (Paul Besing) 18. 04:09 PM - Re: nose gear + 3 blade prop (Jeff Orear) 19. 04:31 PM - Re: nose gear + 3 blade prop (Ron Lee) 20. 04:49 PM - Re: nose gear + 3 blade prop (Darrell Reiley) 21. 05:46 PM - Re: control vision exp2buss (Carl Bell) 22. 07:50 PM - Re: Controlling defrost fans (mikerv6a@ao.com) 23. 08:16 PM - Re: On fuel pumps and rivets (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 24. 08:33 PM - Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 25. 08:44 PM - Re: nose gear + 3 blade prop (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 26. 08:51 PM - Re: nose gear + 3 blade prop (Fiveonepw@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 07:35:42 AM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location I have opened my 396 with no problems. It has been a while and I don't remember if there was a battery in there or not. I used work in the marine electronics industry and with those products Lowrance was the only one that had nitrogen filled cases. Don't know if they ever did that on their aviation units or not. Would probably be way overkill. I have been in lots and lots of pieces of marine electronics and those with well designed enclosures (15 years ago they were few and far between, but now nearly all have watertight enclosures) would not get internal corrosion problems even around a salt water environment without any other special protection. If you are really anal about the ultimate in protection put in a cortec VpCI-101 vapor corrosion inhibitor which can be found at http://www.cortecvci.com/Products/products.php?showonly=Electric or a small package of silica gel, but I wouldn't bother unless I was using my GPS on a float equipped open cockpit ultralight off of salt water. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of David Burton Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 2:16 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location I can't speak to the 396 series. The 195s were sealed like a waterproof watch and are fairly waterproof. Garmin says that you can't open them up, but I split mine in half to semi-permanently mount it into the instrument panel with no problem. This was in the early days of GPS and people were stealing them like crazy. I have no idea if Garmin tries to purge them with Nitrogen before sealing them. The best advice I have for those who live in humid climates it to crank up the air conditioner and reassemble the GPS (I do this when putting my camera into the underwater camera housing) with it near the dry cooled air. Easy and works perfectly for diving. Should be good for the GPS too. DaveB ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 09:06:04 AM PST US From: "Bert Murillo" Subject: RV-List: control vision exp2buss Hi: I am trying to send an E-mail to Control Vision, but I cannot get thru any where. I cannot find the page which will show the, Exp2Buss" unit.... Dopes any one have the correct E-mail for them, I tried the two I have controlvision .com and sales@controlvision .com... nothing... Thanks for the help.. bert rv6a do not archive ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:35:04 AM PST US From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: On fuel pumps and rivets Blast the fuel pump with a really brief shot of shop air, or turn on boost pump and spin engine to see if diaphragm action will open the check valves. On rivets, while the number of times something is whacked does very slightly alter the amount of cold working that occurs(as in less than 1%), the primary factor that causes cold working is the amount of distortion, not the number of blows. (This obviously varies greatly for differing materials, but 2117 aluminum used in 426/470 standard rivets will be equally strong if crushed in 2, 3, 4, or 5 blows) It does not matter which end you crush the rivet from. When a gun is correctly used the first blow starts a cycle where the next blow and the buck come back together in sequence, but it is the shop end shank that is being formed, not the manufacturer's end. (hopefully) The reason we call them bucking bars is that they are supposed to buck. If the shop end is formed correctly as per AC43.13 it matters not how one got there. For -3's I use a pressure and bucking bar that gets me there in 3-4 blows, (as in ba-da-bop) if possible, some bars need to be lighter to get into those tiny places so the pressure gets backed off and it takes more blows. For -4s I aim for 4-5 blows although they can be done in 3, but at that pressure it is easier to lose it and over shoot causing the base metal to distort. There are many applications in really stiff frames where back riveting is the only way to get there because the gun won't move the base assembly enough to get proper bucking bar action. For those of you new to this you should play with holding the bucking bar too tight or stiffly, and then really loosely in thinner practice material to see what that does to both the rivet and the base material. You'll be amazed at how different the two look. It does take time to get a feel for this... The problem with a longer sequence of blows is that I tend to hold the bar too tight for that pressure getting high rivets and base metal puckers. I would also add, that for those of you who use squeezers, you are back riveting every time you squeeze. Happy MLK/Northridge Quake Day ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:01:48 AM PST US From: Carlos Hernandez Subject: Re: RV-List: control vision exp2buss Bert, try this one: http://www.anywheremap.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=4 Carlos in AZ Bert Murillo wrote: > > Hi: > > I am trying to send an E-mail to Control Vision, but I cannot get thru > any where. I cannot find the page which will show the, Exp2Buss" > unit.... > > Dopes any one have the correct E-mail for them, I tried the two I have > controlvision .com and sales@controlvision .com... nothing... > Thanks for the help.. > > bert > > rv6a > do not archive > > > -- Carlos Hernandez Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 Chandler, AZ 85224 Phone: 480.968.8600 Fax: 480.968.8608 www.sec-engr.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:08:49 AM PST US From: Carlos Hernandez Subject: Re: RV-List: control vision exp2buss Just to add more info here is the link for the avionics support for the EXPBUS2. http://support.anywheremap.com/avionics.php Carlos in AZ Bert Murillo wrote: > > Hi: > > I am trying to send an E-mail to Control Vision, but I cannot get thru > any where. I cannot find the page which will show the, Exp2Buss" > unit.... > > Dopes any one have the correct E-mail for them, I tried the two I have > controlvision .com and sales@controlvision .com... nothing... > Thanks for the help.. > > bert > > rv6a > do not archive > > > -- Carlos Hernandez Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 Chandler, AZ 85224 Phone: 480.968.8600 Fax: 480.968.8608 www.sec-engr.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:20:57 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin I just talked to Garmin tech support and the unit has to be returned to Garmin to replace the internal battery. Cost is $250 USD (ouch). Battery should last 10 years. Personally this should be field replaceable or by a authorized battery replacer for less than $20 USD. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:25:24 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Garmin 296/396 losing location From: "steveadams" I have had the same issue with my 396 for the past 6 months or so whenever it has been inactive for a few days. I found that when it can't find the satellites, it gives you a screen with options like "start simulator" and "stored without battery." When I select "stored without battery", it almost immediately starts locking onto satellites normally. My unit is barely 18 months old and the battery should not be going bad already. Steve Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=159592#159592 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:29:48 AM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: Re: RV-List: Left OVers for Sale Hi Jeff, I'll take the Tempest Dry Vacuum Pump: P/N AA215CC List $340.95 Asking $250 Rapco Vacuum Regulator: P/N RA2H3-12. List $168.95 Asking $125 Airborne Gyro Filter: List $37.25 Asking $25 All for $300. If you're interested give me a call. Providing the pump will fit a O540 b4b5 that I have. According to the index I have access too it says the 540B takes a AA3215CC. I assume this is the same as the one you're selling? Chuck Weyant RV10 N805PC 805 878-1922 Santa Maria, CA ----- Original Message ----- From: Jeff Linebaugh To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, January 20, 2008 8:00 PM Subject: RV-List: Left OVers for Sale Folks, I have some left over instruments and components for sale. All parts are in new condition. Drop me a line and make me an offer?! I need gas money! Airflow Performance Maintainable Fuel Filter: List $132 asking $99 Tempest Dry Vacuum Pump: P/N AA215CC List $340.95 Asking $250 Rapco Vacuum Regulator: P/N RA2H3-12. List $168.95 Asking $125 Airborne Gyro Filter: List $37.25 Asking $25. UMA Indicators: UMA 1 1/4 Fuel Qty (2) List $132 each Asking $180 for both UMA 1 1/4 Fuel PSI 0-30 PSI w/ senders and harness List $297 Asking $199 UMA 1 1/4 Fuel PSI 0-15 PSI w/ senders and harness. List $307 Asking $199 UMA 2 1/4 Manifold PSI. 10-35" Dual Diaphragm List $192 Asking $125 UMA 2 1/4 Tach. Requires Sender. Asking $125 UMA Suction List $94 Asking $69 UMA Oil Temp Probe List $63 Asking $45 Westach Dual Oil Temp/PSI: P/N 2DA3MM with Senders and Harnesses List $300 asking $225 Quartz Clock: CA-7264 List $89 Asking $59. Thanks! _________________ Jeff Linebaugh jeff@rocket-boys.com F1 "Sport" #33, 100 hours! Collierville, TN ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- 1/21/2008 9:39 AM ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:59:34 AM PST US From: "Brian Kraut" Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin If your battery is dead you need to have it replaced before it leaks. Not sure what the 96 has in it, but most things these days have lithium coin cells with solder tabs on them. There are maybe a half dozzen common types. When I owned my marine electronics shop we would replace the batteries in nearly anything for about fourty bucks. Your local marine electronics shop or avionics shop should be able to do it for you. Not all shops have techs these days. Some just send everything to the factory so check with them first. Brian Kraut Engineering Alternatives, Inc. www.engalt.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 1:18 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin I just talked to Garmin tech support and the unit has to be returned to Garmin to replace the internal battery. Cost is $250 USD (ouch). Battery should last 10 years. Personally this should be field replaceable or by a authorized battery replacer for less than $20 USD. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 11:42:47 AM PST US From: "Greg Young" Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin They told me $350 for the 396 but even $250 is absurd for a battery replacement. Has anyone cracked the case and determined the correct battery for it? I won't be able to open mine until the weekend. It's worth a shot at replacing it myself and if it doesn't fix it THEN send it in for the flat rate repair. Regards, Greg Young _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin I just talked to Garmin tech support and the unit has to be returned to Garmin to replace the internal battery. Cost is $250 USD (ouch). Battery should last 10 years. Personally this should be field replaceable or by a authorized battery replacer for less than $20 USD. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 11:49:08 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin If mine continues to give trouble, I might volunteer to try a field repair and post pics. -Stormy On Jan 21, 2008 1:55 PM, Brian Kraut wrote: > If your battery is dead you need to have it replaced before it leaks. > Not sure what the 96 has in it, but most things these days have lithium coin > cells with solder tabs on them. There are maybe a half dozzen common > types. When I owned my marine electronics shop we would replace the > batteries in nearly anything for about fourty bucks. Your local marine > electronics shop or avionics shop should be able to do it for you. Not all > shops have techs these days. Some just send everything to the factory so > check with them first. > > > Brian Kraut > Engineering Alternatives, Inc. > www.engalt.com > > -----Original Message----- > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]*On Behalf Of *Ron Lee > *Sent:* Monday, January 21, 2008 1:18 PM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin > > I just talked to Garmin tech support and the unit has to be returned > to Garmin to replace the internal battery. Cost is $250 USD (ouch). > > Battery should last 10 years. > > Personally this should be field replaceable or by a authorized battery > replacer for less than $20 USD. > > Ron Lee > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c* > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:52:16 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin From: darnpilot@aol.com Ouch is right!? Mine is a 496 (18 months old, battery failed at 12 months) and if this is all the service I can expect from Garmin and their batteries, I will have to seriously reconsider any future Garmin purchase. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Greg Young Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 2:38 pm Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin They told me $350 for the 396 but even $250 is absurd for a battery replacement. Has anyone cracked the case and determined the correct battery for it? I won't be able to open mine until the weekend. It's worth a shot at replacing it myself and if it doesn't fix it THEN send it in for the flat rate repair. ? Regards, Greg Young ? From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin I just talked to Garmin tech support and the unit has to be returned to Garmin to replace the internal battery.? Cost is $250 USD (ouch). ? Battery should last 10 years. ? Personally this should be field replaceable or by a authorized battery replacer for less than $20 USD. ? Ron Lee ? ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:41:51 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin From: "Chuck Jensen" When Garmin says "flat rate" of $350 just to look at the box, the flat rate they are referencing is the rate at which your wallet will go flat. For Garmin, internally, it is known as the "bulge rate"!!! Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of darnpilot@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin Ouch is right! Mine is a 496 (18 months old, battery failed at 12 months) and if this is all the service I can expect from Garmin and their batteries, I will have to seriously reconsider any future Garmin purchase. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Greg Young Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 2:38 pm Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin They told me $350 for the 396 but even $250 is absurd for a battery replacement. Has anyone cracked the case and determined the correct battery for it? I won't be able to open mine until the weekend. It's worth a shot at replacing it myself and if it doesn't fix it THEN send it in for the flat rate repair. Regards, Greg Young _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [ mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com ] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin I just talked to Garmin tech support and the unit has to be returned to Garmin to replace the internal battery. Cost is $250 USD (ouch). Battery should last 10 years. Personally this should be field replaceable or by a authorized battery replacer for less than $20 USD. Ron Lee _____ ! ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:57:45 PM PST US From: Arthur Glaser Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin I just spoke to garmin. Contact their aviation support section. Speak to Todd. They may repair it out of warranty. Chuck Jensen wrote: When Garmin says "flat rate" of $350 just to look at the box, the flat rate they are referencing is the rate at which your wallet will go flat. For Garmin, internally, it is known as the "bulge rate"!!! Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of darnpilot@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin Ouch is right! Mine is a 496 (18 months old, battery failed at 12 months) and if this is all the service I can expect from Garmin and their batteries, I will have to seriously reconsider any future Garmin purchase. 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Has anyone cracked the case and determined the correct battery for it? I won't be able to open mine until the weekend. It's worth a shot at replacing it myself and if it doesn't fix it THEN send it in for the flat rate repair. Regards, Greg Young --------------------------------- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin I just talked to Garmin tech support and the unit has to be returned to Garmin to replace the internal battery. Cost is $250 USD (ouch). Battery should last 10 years. Personally this should be field replaceable or by a authorized battery replacer for less than $20 USD. Ron Lee --------------------------------- href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 03:28:18 PM PST US From: tom sargent Subject: RV-List: nose gear + 3 blade prop I have a Catto 3-blade and am trying to put it on an RV-6A. It hadn't occurred to me when I ordered the prop that it would make removing the lower cowl more difficult. At the moment I'm reluctant to drain the preservative oil out of my engine, so I haven't yet rotated the crankshaft at all in order to put the prop in the optimal position for cowl removal. Can those that have a 6A + a 3-blade prop advise me if they had to do to anything special to make the lower cowl removable? I have enlarged the nose gear slot in the air scoop about as far forward as possible. (Well, up to the forward plate nut that holds on the upper gear intersection fairing. Maybe there shouldn't BE a nut plate there?) Can the cowl be removed with the nose gear leg fairing in place, or does that have to be removed first? Thanks, -- Tom S., RV-6A ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:48 PM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: Re: RV-List: nose gear + 3 blade prop Tom, What I've done so far is to make mine easily removable without the nose gear fairing in place. I have already templated a bottom cover to hide my extended slot and my intersections fairing will probably attach to that. I have a three-blade MT and it is a bugger to get off carefully enough to keep from touching the prop. I take the single blade straight up (like you probably will!). I am contemplating making a lowering platform like I've seen posted somewhere I will be getting some prop blade covers soon too. Ralph ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom sargent" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 6:18 PM Subject: RV-List: nose gear + 3 blade prop > > I have a Catto 3-blade and am trying to put it on an RV-6A. It hadn't > occurred to me when I ordered the prop that it would make removing the > lower cowl more difficult. At the moment I'm reluctant to drain the > preservative oil out of my engine, so I haven't yet rotated the crankshaft > at all in order to put the prop in the optimal position for cowl removal. > > Can those that have a 6A + a 3-blade prop advise me if they had to do to > anything special to make the lower cowl removable? I have enlarged the > nose gear slot in the air scoop about as far forward as possible. (Well, > up to the forward plate nut that holds on the upper gear intersection > fairing. Maybe there shouldn't BE a nut plate there?) > > Can the cowl be removed with the nose gear leg fairing in place, or does > that have to be removed first? > > Thanks, > -- > Tom S., RV-6A > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 03:46:48 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin Yes, do escalate that. Their service is actually pretty good. And for a $2400 unit, I would hope that it would last longer than 12-18 months. Mine did have a problem, but they fixed it quick, under warranty, quick return, etc. I think it wasn't garmin's fault I think it was mine when I was building my new panel I probably touched a hot wire to ground. Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: Arthur Glaser Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:53:45 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin I just spoke to garmin. Contact their aviation support section. Speak to Todd. They may repair it out of warranty. Chuck Jensen wrote: When Garmin says "flat rate" of $350 just to look at the box, the flat rate they are referencing is the rate at which your wallet will go flat. For Garmin, internally, it is known as the "bulge rate"!!! Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of darnpilot@aol.com Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 2:49 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin Ouch is right! Mine is a 496 (18 months old, battery failed at 12 months) and if this is all the service I can expect from Garmin and their batteries, I will have to seriously reconsider any future Garmin purchase. Jeff -----Original Message----- From: Greg Young Sent: Mon, 21 Jan 2008 2:38 pm Subject: RE: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin #AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 P.MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt; FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman";}#AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 LI.MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman";}#AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 DIV.MsoNormal {FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman";}#AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 A:link {COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}#AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 SPAN.MsoHyperlink {COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}#AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 A:visited {COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}#AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 SPAN.MsoHyperlinkFollowed {COLOR:blue;TEXT-DECORATION:underline;}#AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 P {FONT-SIZE:12pt;MARGIN-LEFT:0in;MARGIN-RIGHT:0in;FONT-FAMILY:"Times New Roman";} #AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 PRE {FONT-SIZE:10pt;MARGIN:0in 0in 0pt;FONT-FAMILY:"Courier New";}#AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 SPAN.EmailStyle19 {COLOR:navy;FONT-FAMILY:Arial;}#AOLMsgPart_2_4f0d81d6-f2f9-438d-8039-3eeec1abb528 DIV.Section1 {} They told me $350 for the 396 but even $250 is absurd for a battery replacement. Has anyone cracked the case and determined the correct battery for it? I won't be able to open mine until the weekend. It's worth a shot at replacing it myself and if it doesn't fix it THEN send it in for the flat rate repair. Regards, Greg Young From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:18 PM Subject: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin I just talked to Garmin tech support and the unit has to be returned to Garmin to replace the internal battery. Cost is $250 USD (ouch). Battery should last 10 years. Personally this should be field replaceable or by a authorized battery replacer for less than $20 USD. Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:41 PM PST US From: "Jeff Orear" Subject: Re: RV-List: nose gear + 3 blade prop Hi Tom: I have a 6A with a Catto. Removing the lower cowl is more of a challenge than with a two blade, but still doable. I can take mine off without removing the nosegear fairing. I put a couple layers of wide masking tape on the forward edge to protect it while taking off/put on the lower cowl. I have been thinking of making a velcoed sleeve for the same purpose. I have the Fairings Etc nosegear fairing, and it covers the required deeper slot perfectly. You will learn that there is a certain angle/removal path that works best to remove the bottom cowl. Once you get that down, removal is no big deal. I would advise to have a helper for the first few tries so you don't scratch any paint. Regards, Jeff Orear RV6A N782P Peshtigo, WI ----- Original Message ----- From: "tom sargent" Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:18 PM Subject: RV-List: nose gear + 3 blade prop > > I have a Catto 3-blade and am trying to put it on an RV-6A. It hadn't > occurred to me when I ordered the prop that it would make removing the > lower cowl more difficult. At the moment I'm reluctant to drain the > preservative oil out of my engine, so I haven't yet rotated the crankshaft > at all in order to put the prop in the optimal position for cowl removal. > > Can those that have a 6A + a 3-blade prop advise me if they had to do to > anything special to make the lower cowl removable? I have enlarged the > nose gear slot in the air scoop about as far forward as possible. (Well, > up to the forward plate nut that holds on the upper gear intersection > fairing. Maybe there shouldn't BE a nut plate there?) > > Can the cowl be removed with the nose gear leg fairing in place, or does > that have to be removed first? > > Thanks, > -- > Tom S., RV-6A > > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 04:31:54 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: nose gear + 3 blade prop I tape (painters tape) both bottom blades of the prop and the upper forward portions of the lower cowl. As you lower the cowl you have to move one side of the cowl to one side, maybe move the prop a little, move that side of the cowl forwardand down then move the other prop blade away a little and it comes out. It is more difficult and I almost have to redicover the process each time. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:49:05 PM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: Re: RV-List: nose gear + 3 blade prop It really depends on your cowl attach method. I have offset (shimmed) cowl mounts to the firewall with nutplates. With this setup, it is not required to pull forward on the cowl to drop and remove. Front comes down and slide forward. Darrell --- Jeff Orear wrote: > > > Hi Tom: I have a 6A with a Catto. Removing the > lower cowl is more of a > challenge than with a two blade, but still doable. > I can take mine off > without removing the nosegear fairing. I put a > couple layers of wide > masking tape on the forward edge to protect it while > taking off/put on the > lower cowl. I have been thinking of making a > velcoed sleeve for the same > purpose. > > I have the Fairings Etc nosegear fairing, and it > covers the required deeper > slot perfectly. > > You will learn that there is a certain angle/removal > path that works best to > remove the bottom cowl. Once you get that down, > removal is no big deal. I > would advise to have a helper for the first few > tries so you don't scratch > any paint. > > Regards, > > Jeff Orear > RV6A N782P > Peshtigo, WI > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "tom sargent" > To: > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:18 PM > Subject: RV-List: nose gear + 3 blade prop > > > > > > > I have a Catto 3-blade and am trying to put it on > an RV-6A. It hadn't > > occurred to me when I ordered the prop that it > would make removing the > > lower cowl more difficult. At the moment I'm > reluctant to drain the > > preservative oil out of my engine, so I haven't > yet rotated the crankshaft > > at all in order to put the prop in the optimal > position for cowl removal. > > > > Can those that have a 6A + a 3-blade prop advise > me if they had to do to > > anything special to make the lower cowl removable? > I have enlarged the > > nose gear slot in the air scoop about as far > forward as possible. (Well, > > up to the forward plate nut that holds on the > upper gear intersection > > fairing. Maybe there shouldn't BE a nut plate > there?) > > > > Can the cowl be removed with the nose gear leg > fairing in place, or does > > that have to be removed first? > > > > Thanks, > > -- > > Tom S., RV-6A > > > > > > > > > > > > > browse > Un/Subscription, > FAQ, > > Forums! > > Admin. > > > > > Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your home page. http://www.yahoo.com/r/hs ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:46:56 PM PST US From: "Carl Bell" Subject: RE: RV-List: control vision exp2buss Here you go: http://www.anywheremap.com/SearchResult.aspx?CategoryID=4 Carl W Bell New Venture Consulting Mobile: 803.640.2760 www.newventureconsulting.com carlbell@gforcecable.com -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bert Murillo Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 12:00 PM Subject: RV-List: control vision exp2buss Hi: I am trying to send an E-mail to Control Vision, but I cannot get thru any where. I cannot find the page which will show the, Exp2Buss" unit.... Dopes any one have the correct E-mail for them, I tried the two I have controlvision .com and sales@controlvision .com... nothing... Thanks for the help.. bert rv6a do not archive ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 07:50:37 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Controlling defrost fans From: mikerv6a@ao.com Here is a simple two-speed fan control using an spdt switch. I'm using a fan from DigiKey, cat no. 603-1055-ND that's 80mm square and 25.4mm thick, about 3.15" x 1". It has ball bearings and relatively high airflow for its size. Rated power at 12V for this fan is 6 watts. I measured fan current at about 0.52A at 12.0 volts. The relationship between voltage and current was close to linear down to 6V, and the fan continues to run at still lower voltage. I chose 8V as a target votlage for "slow" speed, and I found fan current to be about 0.33A at this voltage. Speed of these fans is easily controlled either by providing variable voltage or by inserting a resistor in series with the fan circuit. I used a 15-ohm 10-watt resistor having an aluminum housing which includes tabs for mounting on a couple of screws. This results in about 8.5 volts on the fan with 13.5V power bus voltage. Power dissipation in this resistor is calculated to be about 1.7 watts. The reason for my "oversizing" the power rating of the resistor I selected is that the built-in mounting provision for the 10W resistor is very convenient. The resistor is DigiKey catalog no. 810F15RE-ND. (Low Speed) Resistor O--------------/\/\/\/------ / | -------------/ O (OFF) | spdt switch | w/ center-off O--------------------------- \ ------------------------------- FAN-------- (Full Speed) Mike Linse RV-6A (canopy...) Corvallis, OR ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 08:16:14 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: On fuel pumps and rivets In a message dated 01/21/2008 11:37:21 AM Central Standard Time, wnorth@sdccd.edu writes: Blast the fuel pump with a really brief shot of shop air, or turn on boost pump and spin engine to see if diaphragm action will open the check valves. Kinda watching the notes of fuel pump and was curious if it wasn't "possible" that you might have the "IN" connected to the "OUT" and vice-versa? These pumps can be configured either way- on the advice of a particularly astute builder of whom I enjoy the benefit of being in my circle of intelligentsia (thanks Charlie Bravo!) I ordered a pump with the in-out as out-in which allowed a routing to the carb with an improved distance from the exhaust pipes. See: _http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5457_ (http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/index.php?q=log_entry&log_id=5457) >From The PossumWorks in TN Mark **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 08:33:49 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Garmin 296/396 losing location - Talked to Garmin In a message dated 01/21/2008 1:51:25 PM Central Standard Time, sportav8r@gmail.com writes: I might volunteer to try a field repair and post pics. Please do! This is the kind of stuff that turns us into veritable techno-gods! ("Ah, man- my 295 is tits-up because it don't have a clue where it is." "Just replace the battery". "Huh?" "Sure- just pop it open and slam a fresh one in there!" "Huh?" "Piece of cake, and it'll save you a $hitload of $$$" "Wow, man- you're my hero!") Mark do not archive **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:44:29 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: nose gear + 3 blade prop In a message dated 01/21/2008 5:29:53 PM Central Standard Time, sarg314@comcast.net writes: Can the cowl be removed with the nose gear leg fairing in place, or does that have to be removed first? I always pull the nose leg fairing before dropping the cowl- you'll scratch that lovely paint otherwise- you mention that you've slotted it forward to a nutplate (I assume is used to attach the upper fairing). Is this a fairings-etc piece? (nice part, BTW!) If so, mayhaps you could remove the platenut at the front and install one on either side of the slot? Mark - RV-6A "Mojo" with O-320, Catto 3-blade _http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/_ (http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/) **************Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape. http://body.aol.com/fitness/winter-exercise?NCID=aolcmp00300000002489 ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 08:51:00 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: nose gear + 3 blade prop In a message dated 01/21/2008 5:49:08 PM Central Standard Time, recapen@earthlink.net writes: I will be getting some prop blade covers soon too. Hi Ralph- I took some of the leftover outdoor deck carpeting I used for my floors and cut some pieces long enough to wrap around the prop blades- a wrap of duct tape around each end and you wind up with nifty slip-on blade protectors! I made 2 of these and have used them many times- quite handy and super-cheep! Mark **************Start the year off right. 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