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1. 03:42 AM - Re: Step crack (Tim Lewis)
2. 05:44 AM - Re: "News to me!" (Dale Ensing)
3. 05:57 AM - Re: "News to me!" (Paul Besing)
4. 06:05 AM - Re: "News to me!" (Bob Collins)
5. 06:06 AM - Re: Step crack (Bob Collins)
6. 06:13 AM - Data plate questions (Ralph E. Capen)
7. 06:37 AM - Re: Step crack ()
8. 06:43 AM - Re: Data plate questions (Tim Bryan)
9. 06:53 AM - Re: Step crack (Ron Lee)
10. 07:10 AM - Re: Data plate questions (linn Walters)
11. 07:18 AM - Re: Step crack (Carl Bell)
12. 08:17 AM - Re: Step crack (Bret Smith)
13. 08:23 AM - Re: Data plate questions (passpat@aol.com)
14. 10:51 AM - Re: Step crack (Chuck Weyant)
15. 11:11 AM - Re: Step crack (Bob Collins)
16. 12:46 PM - Re: Data plate questions (scott bilinski)
17. 02:39 PM - Re: Data plate questions (Carlos Hernandez)
18. 02:57 PM - Re: Data plate questions (Scott)
19. 06:05 PM - Re: "News to me!" (Paul Besing)
20. 08:39 PM - Re: Data plate questions (RV6 Flyer)
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This is not just an isolated problem. My RV-6A steps both cracked. Kit
shipped in about 1995, first flight 1999, cracks occurred at
approximately 500 hours.
--
Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA)
RV-6A N47TD -- 999 hrs
RV-10 #40059 under construction
Chuck Weyant wrote:
> This IS a big problem. Van's says they don't hear anything, therefore
> there isn't a problem as far as they're concerned. I beg to disagree
> with them. I had one step crack in the same identical spot as yours
> Lee (I built a 9A). Called Van's, Scott says, "Hmmm, news to me. We
> haven't heard of any problems with cracks."
>
> Next day a fellow "nine" driver came over with TWO cracked steps in
> hand off his "nine". Said Van's said the same thing to him. He
> ordered two additional new steps from Van's and sent them pics of the
> steps. A week later a "Six driver" from the other side of the airport
> showed up with a cracked step. All this from one little 'ol airport.
> Not a problem?
>
> I took it out and delivered it to a big time welding shop here on the
> Central Coast (Santa Maria,CA). I asked if it could be repaired, and
> would he reinforce it somehow? He studied the step and said he
> wouldn't recommend reinforcing it as making it too stiff might
> encourage it to crack again even quicker in a different spot.
> Something to do with the type of steel, thickness, and angles of
> attachment combined with load forces. Stuff I didn't really understand.
>
> He rewelded it from front to aft underside. I had it repowder coated
> and I reinstalled it. It's been more than a year ago and it's still
> fine. One thing I do do is to use a stool to gain access to the
> cockpit while in the hanger avoiding the steps altogether if possible.
> Chuck
> RV10 Finishing up the Fuselage.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> *From:* Ron Lee <mailto:ronlee@pcisys.net>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:33 AM
> *Subject:* RV-List: Step crack
>
> While preparing for the condition inspection I noticed an unusual
> amount
> of movement in the pilot's side step on my 6A. Checking it out I
> found a
> crack on the inside just under the weld that connects the long
> portion of
> the step to the plate that attaches to the fuselage.
>
> Yesterday I drilled out the rivets and will remove the step to be
> rewelded
> and somehow have that area reinforced.
>
> I saw another occurrence of this on the Vans website so people
> installing
> these steps should consider reinforcing that area before installation.
>
> Ron Lee
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: "News to me!" |
My experience has been that it depends on who I get on the phone.
Especially one particular person.
Dale Ensing
RV-6A
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Besing
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:59 PM
Subject: RV-List: "News to me!"
As much as I love their airplanes, their prices, and generally the
company altogether, they do have a tendency to say "never heard of
that". I cracked my canopy on my -6A because there is one hole that
many, many people have drilled on the side skirt that will crack the
canopy. I just didn't think my conditions would crack because of shop
temperature, amount of pressure on the curve, etc. Well, it did crack
and I wasn't going to have a 3" crack on a brand new airplane. Told
van's to make that hole not shown to be drilled on the plans per mine
and many other recommendations including George Orndorff, and they acted
like I was the first. Same thing with my RV-4 rudder just a couple of
weeks ago. The plans do not adjust for the thicker skins and the
distance for the stiffeners to the trailing edge is wrong on the plans
when you use a .020 skin. They again acted like it was never a problem,
but anyone who follows the plans on that drawing with the .020 skin will
have the same problem.
So, the best we can do is educate Van's the best we can, as we are his
real "beta testers". I just wish they would admit flaws sometimes and
fix them. Sure would have saved us alot of $$ I'm sure!
Paul Besing
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| Subject: | Re: "News to me!" |
Tipup canopy, the forward most hole on the side skirt. It's right where there
is a compound curve where the canopy curves from the top and around the front.
The second time around I allowed that skirt to pucker just a hair. When the
fiberglass fairing was completed, I was able to adjust for that pucker of the
top of the side skirt.
Paul Besing
----- Original Message ----
From: Doug Gray <dgra1233@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:39:14 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: "News to me!"
On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 20:59 -0800, Paul Besing wrote:
> cracked my canopy on my -6A because there is one hole that many, many
> people have drilled on the side skirt that will crack the canopy. I
> just didn't think my conditions would crack because of shop
> temperature, amount of pressure on the curve, etc. Well, it did
crack
> and I wasn't going to have a 3" crack on a brand new airplane. Told
> van's to make that hole not shown to be drilled on the plans
Which particular hole is that? Slider or Tipup?
Timely info for me.
Doug Gray
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I assume the hole you're referencing here is the farthest forward one on the
plans?
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: "News to me!"
As much as I love their airplanes, their prices, and generally the company
altogether, they do have a tendency to say "never heard of that". I cracked
my canopy on my -6A because there is one hole that many, many people have
drilled on the side skirt that will crack the canopy. I just didn't think
my conditions would crack because of shop temperature, amount of pressure on
the curve, etc. Well, it did crack and I wasn't going to have a 3" crack on
a brand new airplane. Told van's to make that hole not shown to be drilled
on the plans per mine and many other recommendations including George
Orndorff, and they acted like I was the first. Same thing with my RV-4
rudder just a couple of weeks ago. The plans do not adjust for the thicker
skins and the distance for the stiffeners to the trailing edge is wrong on
the plans when you use a .020 skin. They again acted like it was never a
problem, but anyone who follows the plans on that drawing with the .020 skin
will have the same problem.
So, the best we can do is educate Van's the best we can, as we are his real
"beta testers". I just wish they would admit flaws sometimes and fix them.
Sure would have saved us alot of $$ I'm sure!
Paul Besing
do not archive
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Another reason I'm glad I used nutplates on my baggage floor. Looks like
checking this location needs to be part of the annual
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack
Here it is. This is on the inside of the step just under the weld.
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/StepCrack1Small.jpg
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| Subject: | Data plate questions |
Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements for
the Airframe Data plate?
All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and refer to
the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates for the individual
builder to have engraved and install and I have seen them in use so they
must meet some minimum requirements.
What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the date
of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet declared airworthy.
I need to have the plate installed prior to airworthiness inspection
- so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what data do I put there?
Thanks,
Ralph
Working on the million little things......
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The step might be designed for the standard FAA 170 pound person. And
can't take any extra "G's".
Bruce Bell
RV-4 N23BB
----- Original Message -----
From: Bob Collins
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:03 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Step crack
Another reason I'm glad I used nutplates on my baggage floor. Looks
like checking this location needs to be part of the annual
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:50 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack
Here it is. This is on the inside of the step just under the weld.
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/StepCrack1Small.jpg
href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.
com/Navigator?RV-List
href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com
href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c
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| Subject: | Data plate questions |
I just put the month and year I anticipated the inspection to be within.
The DAR never even looked at it.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:11 AM
> To: rv-list
> Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions
>
>
> Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements
> for the Airframe Data plate?
>
> All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and
> refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates
> for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen
> them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements.
>
> What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the
> date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet
> declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to
> airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what
> data do I put there?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
> Working on the million little things......
>
>
>
>
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Exactly Bob. When I installed my step as a retrofit I added nutplates
and was glad I did
since you need to access that area to replace the step.
My plan is to have the step rewelded and maybe reinforced. Since many
have had this
same problem, what did you do and what would you suggest that I do in
this situation?
Ron Lee
Another reason I'm glad I used nutplates on my baggage floor. Looks
like checking this l
ocation needs to be part of the annual
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| Subject: | Re: Data plate questions |
Ralph E. Capen wrote:
>
>Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements for
the Airframe Data plate?
>
>All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and refer to
the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates for the individual
builder to have engraved and install and I have seen them in use so they
must meet some minimum requirements.
>
>What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the date
of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet declared
airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to airworthiness inspection
- so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what data do I put there?
>
With no data to support it (nothing I could find at the time), I used
the date that the airplane was 'finished' and ready for inspection.
Linn
>
>Thanks,
>Ralph
>Working on the million little things......
>
>
>
>
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I don=92t know if it will make a difference, but the new ones don=92t
look like
this. On my 7A steps the metal plate extends about a =BC=94 below the
tube
where it goes through it.
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
Mobile: 803.640.2760
<http://www.newventureconsulting.com> www.newventureconsulting.com
carlbell@gforcecable.com
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:50 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack
Here it is. This is on the inside of the step just under the weld.
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/StepCrack1Small.jpg
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Here is a shot of my step. 2007 vintage with the lower flange.
http://www.flightinnovations.com/images/fuselage/070826j.jpg
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Canopy"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Carl Bell
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:16 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Step crack
I don't know if it will make a difference, but the new ones don't look
like this. On my 7A steps the metal plate extends about a =BC" below
the tube where it goes through it.
Carl W Bell
New Venture Consulting
Mobile: 803.640.2760
www.newventureconsulting.com
carlbell@gforcecable.com
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:50 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack
Here it is. This is on the inside of the step just under the weld.
http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/StepCrack1Small.jpg
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: Data plate questions |
Builders name/manufacture
Model as RV-7-A
Serial number? xxxx
-----Original Message-----
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:06 am
Subject: Re: RV-List: Data plate questions
?
Ralph E. Capen wrote:?
?
>?
>Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements for
the Airframe Data plate??
>?
>All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and refer to
the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates for the individual
builder to have engraved and install and I have seen them in use so they
must meet some minimum requirements.?
>?
>What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the date
of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet declared airworthy.
I need to have the plate installed prior to airworthiness inspection
- so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what data do I put there??
>?
With no data to support it (nothing I could find at the time), I used the date
that the airplane was 'finished' and ready for inspection.?
Linn?
?
>?
>Thanks,?
>Ralph?
>Working on the million little things......?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
>?
> >?
?
?
?
?
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I don't think the problem is inside, its exterior. No need for all the
nutplates and added labor.
To remove the step for repair, all I did was cut a 5 inch square hole in
the baggage floor over the plastic block, bolt and nut of the step unit.
Removed the bolt, made the repair to the step, reinstalled and fastened
a new cover plate over the baggage floor cutout. Easy. And if it
happens again, access will even be quicker with only two or four screws
to remove to gain access.
Chuck
Subject: RE: RV-List: Step crack
Another reason I'm glad I used nutplates on my baggage floor. Looks
like checking this location needs to be part of the annual
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[quote="chuck(at)chuckdirect.com"]I don't think the problem is inside, its exterior.
No need for all the nutplates and added labor.
[quote]
I can't speak for others but it looks like the crack is along the weld. On my installation,
I increased the hole slightly to accomodate the weld and provide
a more flush fit. So it is visible from inside. Otherwise you'd have to remove
the step for inspection since -- as I understand it -- the troublesome spot would
be covered by the square plate. That's the way I viewed the photo that was
uploaded anyway.
--------
Bob Collins
St. Paul, Minn.
Letters from Flyover Country
http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160275#160275
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| Subject: | Re: Data plate questions |
Model
Manufacturer
Ser #
Thats all I have.
Scott Bilinski
RV-8a
----- Original Message ----
From: Tim Bryan <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:39:08 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions
I just put the month and year I anticipated the inspection to be within.
The DAR never even looked at it.
Tim
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:11 AM
> To: rv-list
> Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions
>
>
> Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements
> for the Airframe Data plate?
>
> All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and
> refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates
> for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen
> them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements.
>
> What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the
> date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet
> declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to
> airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what
> data do I put there?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
> Working on the million little things......
>
>
>
>
Looking for last minute shopping deals?
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| Subject: | Re: Data plate questions |
Question about serial #'s....
I've "heard" here and there that FAA wants the serial # to match the
builders number. I don't think is is that way but It shouldn't matter if
I wanted to register with serial # 17BYLOS does it?
Carlos in AZ
STILL saving money for the -7A wings
scott bilinski wrote:
>
> Model
> Manufacturer
> Ser #
>
> Thats all I have.
>
> Scott Bilinski
> RV-8a
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Tim Bryan <n616tb@btsapps.com>
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:39:08 AM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions
>
>
> I just put the month and year I anticipated the inspection to be within.
> The DAR never even looked at it.
>
> Tim
>
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:11 AM
>> To: rv-list
>> Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions
>>
>>
>> Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements
>> for the Airframe Data plate?
>>
>> All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and
>> refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates
>> for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen
>> them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements.
>>
>> What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the
>> date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet
>> declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to
>> airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what
>> data do I put there?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Ralph
>> Working on the million little things......
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
> Looking for last minute shopping deals?
>
>
>
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Structural Engineers Company
2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3
Chandler, AZ 85224
Phone: 480.968.8600
Fax: 480.968.8608
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| Subject: | Re: Data plate questions |
Shouldn't make a rat's butt of difference. It just has to be unique
within the system
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version)
Carlos Hernandez wrote:
> <carlosh@structuralaz.com>
>
> Question about serial #'s....
> I've "heard" here and there that FAA wants the serial # to match the
> builders number. I don't think is is that way but It shouldn't matter
> if I wanted to register with serial # 17BYLOS does it?
>
> Carlos in AZ
> STILL saving money for the -7A wings
>
> scott bilinski wrote:
>
>>
>> Model
>> Manufacturer
>> Ser #
>> Thats all I have.
>>
>> Scott Bilinski
>> RV-8a
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Tim Bryan <n616tb@btsapps.com>
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:39:08 AM
>> Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions
>>
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>> I just put the month and year I anticipated the inspection to be within.
>> The DAR never even looked at it.
>>
>> Tim
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>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
>>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen
>>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:11 AM
>>> To: rv-list
>>> Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions
>>>
>>>
>>> Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum
>>> requirements
>>> for the Airframe Data plate?
>>>
>>> All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and
>>> refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data
>>> plates
>>> for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen
>>> them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements.
>>>
>>> What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy
>>> of the
>>> date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet
>>> declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to
>>> airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved
>>> prior....what
>>> data do I put there?
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> Ralph
>>> Working on the million little things......
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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That's correct.
----- Original Message ----
From: Bob Collins <bcollinsrv7a@comcast.net>
Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:01:34 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: "News to me!"
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I assume the hole you're referencing here is the farthest
forward one on the plans?
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul
Besing
Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:00 PM
rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RV-List: "News to
me!"
As
much as I love their airplanes, their prices, and generally the company
altogether, they do have a tendency to say "never heard of that". I
cracked my canopy on my -6A because there is one hole that many, many people
have drilled on the side skirt that will crack the canopy. I just didn't
think my conditions would crack because of shop temperature, amount of pressure
on the curve, etc. Well, it did crack and I wasn't going to have a 3"
crack on a brand new airplane. Told van's to make that hole not shown to
be drilled on the plans per mine and many other recommendations including George
Orndorff, and they acted like I was the first. Same thing with my RV-4
rudder just a couple of weeks ago. The plans do not adjust for the thicker
skins and the distance for the stiffeners to the trailing edge is wrong on the
plans when you use a .020 skin. They again acted like it was never a
problem, but anyone who follows the plans on that drawing with the .020 skin
will have the same problem.
So, the best we can do is educate Van's the
best we can, as we are his real "beta testers". I just wish they would
admit flaws sometimes and fix them. Sure would have saved us alot of $$
I'm sure!
Paul Besing
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| Subject: | Data plate questions |
http://www.rvdar.com/FAR_45.htm
Permanent attached Fireproof Data Plate with
Builder's Name (Make), Model Designation, and Builder's Serial Number.
The above info MUST match the registration info that is on the 8050-3 that
comes from Oklahoma City.
The MODEL and Serial Number can be anything that you like but the only mode
l with the serial number that you assign. If your aircraft is an RV-?, then
it is best to use the builder's number that Van's assigned. IF you purchas
e a kit from Van but register it as "YOUR NAME Special", the S/N can be any
thing you want or the number that Van assigned.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,077 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:10:55 -0500
> From: recapen@earthlink.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions
>
>
> Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirement
s for the Airframe Data plate?
>
> All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and ref
er to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates for
the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen them in
use so they must meet some minimum requirements.
>
> What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of th
e date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet d
eclared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to airworthine
ss inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what data do I pu
t there?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
> Working on the million little things......
>
>
>
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