---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 01/24/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:42 AM - Re: Step crack (Tim Lewis) 2. 05:44 AM - Re: "News to me!" (Dale Ensing) 3. 05:57 AM - Re: "News to me!" (Paul Besing) 4. 06:05 AM - Re: "News to me!" (Bob Collins) 5. 06:06 AM - Re: Step crack (Bob Collins) 6. 06:13 AM - Data plate questions (Ralph E. Capen) 7. 06:37 AM - Re: Step crack () 8. 06:43 AM - Re: Data plate questions (Tim Bryan) 9. 06:53 AM - Re: Step crack (Ron Lee) 10. 07:10 AM - Re: Data plate questions (linn Walters) 11. 07:18 AM - Re: Step crack (Carl Bell) 12. 08:17 AM - Re: Step crack (Bret Smith) 13. 08:23 AM - Re: Data plate questions (passpat@aol.com) 14. 10:51 AM - Re: Step crack (Chuck Weyant) 15. 11:11 AM - Re: Step crack (Bob Collins) 16. 12:46 PM - Re: Data plate questions (scott bilinski) 17. 02:39 PM - Re: Data plate questions (Carlos Hernandez) 18. 02:57 PM - Re: Data plate questions (Scott) 19. 06:05 PM - Re: "News to me!" (Paul Besing) 20. 08:39 PM - Re: Data plate questions (RV6 Flyer) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:42:02 AM PST US From: Tim Lewis Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack This is not just an isolated problem. My RV-6A steps both cracked. Kit shipped in about 1995, first flight 1999, cracks occurred at approximately 500 hours. -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 999 hrs RV-10 #40059 under construction Chuck Weyant wrote: > This IS a big problem. Van's says they don't hear anything, therefore > there isn't a problem as far as they're concerned. I beg to disagree > with them. I had one step crack in the same identical spot as yours > Lee (I built a 9A). Called Van's, Scott says, "Hmmm, news to me. We > haven't heard of any problems with cracks." > > Next day a fellow "nine" driver came over with TWO cracked steps in > hand off his "nine". Said Van's said the same thing to him. He > ordered two additional new steps from Van's and sent them pics of the > steps. A week later a "Six driver" from the other side of the airport > showed up with a cracked step. All this from one little 'ol airport. > Not a problem? > > I took it out and delivered it to a big time welding shop here on the > Central Coast (Santa Maria,CA). I asked if it could be repaired, and > would he reinforce it somehow? He studied the step and said he > wouldn't recommend reinforcing it as making it too stiff might > encourage it to crack again even quicker in a different spot. > Something to do with the type of steel, thickness, and angles of > attachment combined with load forces. Stuff I didn't really understand. > > He rewelded it from front to aft underside. I had it repowder coated > and I reinstalled it. It's been more than a year ago and it's still > fine. One thing I do do is to use a stool to gain access to the > cockpit while in the hanger avoiding the steps altogether if possible. > Chuck > RV10 Finishing up the Fuselage. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > *From:* Ron Lee > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Sent:* Wednesday, January 23, 2008 6:33 AM > *Subject:* RV-List: Step crack > > While preparing for the condition inspection I noticed an unusual > amount > of movement in the pilot's side step on my 6A. Checking it out I > found a > crack on the inside just under the weld that connects the long > portion of > the step to the plate that attaches to the fuselage. > > Yesterday I drilled out the rivets and will remove the step to be > rewelded > and somehow have that area reinforced. > > I saw another occurrence of this on the Vans website so people > installing > these steps should consider reinforcing that area before installation. > > Ron Lee > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:44:09 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: "News to me!" My experience has been that it depends on who I get on the phone. Especially one particular person. Dale Ensing RV-6A do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Besing To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:59 PM Subject: RV-List: "News to me!" As much as I love their airplanes, their prices, and generally the company altogether, they do have a tendency to say "never heard of that". I cracked my canopy on my -6A because there is one hole that many, many people have drilled on the side skirt that will crack the canopy. I just didn't think my conditions would crack because of shop temperature, amount of pressure on the curve, etc. Well, it did crack and I wasn't going to have a 3" crack on a brand new airplane. Told van's to make that hole not shown to be drilled on the plans per mine and many other recommendations including George Orndorff, and they acted like I was the first. Same thing with my RV-4 rudder just a couple of weeks ago. The plans do not adjust for the thicker skins and the distance for the stiffeners to the trailing edge is wrong on the plans when you use a .020 skin. They again acted like it was never a problem, but anyone who follows the plans on that drawing with the .020 skin will have the same problem. So, the best we can do is educate Van's the best we can, as we are his real "beta testers". I just wish they would admit flaws sometimes and fix them. Sure would have saved us alot of $$ I'm sure! Paul Besing do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Be a better friend, newshound, and ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:57:12 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: "News to me!" Tipup canopy, the forward most hole on the side skirt. It's right where there is a compound curve where the canopy curves from the top and around the front. The second time around I allowed that skirt to pucker just a hair. When the fiberglass fairing was completed, I was able to adjust for that pucker of the top of the side skirt. Paul Besing ----- Original Message ---- From: Doug Gray Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 12:39:14 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: "News to me!" On Wed, 2008-01-23 at 20:59 -0800, Paul Besing wrote: > cracked my canopy on my -6A because there is one hole that many, many > people have drilled on the side skirt that will crack the canopy. I > just didn't think my conditions would crack because of shop > temperature, amount of pressure on the curve, etc. Well, it did crack > and I wasn't going to have a 3" crack on a brand new airplane. Told > van's to make that hole not shown to be drilled on the plans Which particular hole is that? Slider or Tipup? Timely info for me. Doug Gray Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:05 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: "News to me!" I assume the hole you're referencing here is the farthest forward one on the plans? _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:00 PM Subject: RV-List: "News to me!" As much as I love their airplanes, their prices, and generally the company altogether, they do have a tendency to say "never heard of that". I cracked my canopy on my -6A because there is one hole that many, many people have drilled on the side skirt that will crack the canopy. I just didn't think my conditions would crack because of shop temperature, amount of pressure on the curve, etc. Well, it did crack and I wasn't going to have a 3" crack on a brand new airplane. Told van's to make that hole not shown to be drilled on the plans per mine and many other recommendations including George Orndorff, and they acted like I was the first. Same thing with my RV-4 rudder just a couple of weeks ago. The plans do not adjust for the thicker skins and the distance for the stiffeners to the trailing edge is wrong on the plans when you use a .020 skin. They again acted like it was never a problem, but anyone who follows the plans on that drawing with the .020 skin will have the same problem. So, the best we can do is educate Van's the best we can, as we are his real "beta testers". I just wish they would admit flaws sometimes and fix them. Sure would have saved us alot of $$ I'm sure! Paul Besing do not archive _____ Be a better friend, newshound, and ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:06:22 AM PST US From: "Bob Collins" Subject: RE: RV-List: Step crack Another reason I'm glad I used nutplates on my baggage floor. Looks like checking this location needs to be part of the annual _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:50 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack Here it is. This is on the inside of the step just under the weld. http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/StepCrack1Small.jpg ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:59 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements for the Airframe Data plate? All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements. What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what data do I put there? Thanks, Ralph Working on the million little things...... ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:37:22 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack The step might be designed for the standard FAA 170 pound person. And can't take any extra "G's". Bruce Bell RV-4 N23BB ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Collins To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:03 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Step crack Another reason I'm glad I used nutplates on my baggage floor. Looks like checking this location needs to be part of the annual ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 8:50 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack Here it is. This is on the inside of the step just under the weld. http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/StepCrack1Small.jpg href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:43:07 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions I just put the month and year I anticipated the inspection to be within. The DAR never even looked at it. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:11 AM > To: rv-list > Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions > > > Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements > for the Airframe Data plate? > > All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and > refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates > for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen > them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements. > > What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the > date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet > declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to > airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what > data do I put there? > > Thanks, > Ralph > Working on the million little things...... > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:53:34 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack Exactly Bob. When I installed my step as a retrofit I added nutplates and was glad I did since you need to access that area to replace the step. My plan is to have the step rewelded and maybe reinforced. Since many have had this same problem, what did you do and what would you suggest that I do in this situation? Ron Lee Another reason I'm glad I used nutplates on my baggage floor. Looks like checking this l ocation needs to be part of the annual ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 07:10:23 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Data plate questions Ralph E. Capen wrote: > >Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements for the Airframe Data plate? > >All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements. > >What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what data do I put there? > With no data to support it (nothing I could find at the time), I used the date that the airplane was 'finished' and ready for inspection. Linn > >Thanks, >Ralph >Working on the million little things...... > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 07:18:24 AM PST US From: "Carl Bell" Subject: RE: RV-List: Step crack I don=92t know if it will make a difference, but the new ones don=92t look like this. On my 7A steps the metal plate extends about a =BC=94 below the tube where it goes through it. Carl W Bell New Venture Consulting Mobile: 803.640.2760 www.newventureconsulting.com carlbell@gforcecable.com _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:50 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack Here it is. This is on the inside of the step just under the weld. http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/StepCrack1Small.jpg ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 08:17:53 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack Here is a shot of my step. 2007 vintage with the lower flange. http://www.flightinnovations.com/images/fuselage/070826j.jpg Bret Smith RV-9A "Canopy" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Carl Bell To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 10:16 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Step crack I don't know if it will make a difference, but the new ones don't look like this. On my 7A steps the metal plate extends about a =BC" below the tube where it goes through it. Carl W Bell New Venture Consulting Mobile: 803.640.2760 www.newventureconsulting.com carlbell@gforcecable.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 9:50 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack Here it is. This is on the inside of the step just under the weld. http://home.pcisys.net/~ronlee/RV6A/StepCrack1Small.jpg http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 08:23:11 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Data plate questions From: passpat@aol.com Builders name/manufacture Model as RV-7-A Serial number? xxxx -----Original Message----- From: linn Walters Sent: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 10:06 am Subject: Re: RV-List: Data plate questions ? Ralph E. Capen wrote:? ? >? >Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements for the Airframe Data plate?? >? >All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements.? >? >What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what data do I put there?? >? With no data to support it (nothing I could find at the time), I used the date that the airplane was 'finished' and ready for inspection.? Linn? ? >? >Thanks,? >Ralph? >Working on the million little things......? >? >? >? >? >? >? >? > >? ? ? ? ? ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:02 AM PST US From: "Chuck Weyant" Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack I don't think the problem is inside, its exterior. No need for all the nutplates and added labor. To remove the step for repair, all I did was cut a 5 inch square hole in the baggage floor over the plastic block, bolt and nut of the step unit. Removed the bolt, made the repair to the step, reinstalled and fastened a new cover plate over the baggage floor cutout. Easy. And if it happens again, access will even be quicker with only two or four screws to remove to gain access. Chuck Subject: RE: RV-List: Step crack Another reason I'm glad I used nutplates on my baggage floor. Looks like checking this location needs to be part of the annual ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 11:11:47 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Step crack From: "Bob Collins" [quote="chuck(at)chuckdirect.com"]I don't think the problem is inside, its exterior. No need for all the nutplates and added labor. [quote] I can't speak for others but it looks like the crack is along the weld. On my installation, I increased the hole slightly to accomodate the weld and provide a more flush fit. So it is visible from inside. Otherwise you'd have to remove the step for inspection since -- as I understand it -- the troublesome spot would be covered by the square plate. That's the way I viewed the photo that was uploaded anyway. -------- Bob Collins St. Paul, Minn. Letters from Flyover Country http://rvnewsletter.blogspot.com/ Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160275#160275 ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 12:46:23 PM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Data plate questions Model Manufacturer Ser # Thats all I have. Scott Bilinski RV-8a ----- Original Message ---- From: Tim Bryan Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:39:08 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions I just put the month and year I anticipated the inspection to be within. The DAR never even looked at it. Tim > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:11 AM > To: rv-list > Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions > > > Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements > for the Airframe Data plate? > > All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and > refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates > for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen > them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements. > > What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the > date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet > declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to > airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what > data do I put there? > > Thanks, > Ralph > Working on the million little things...... > > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:39:19 PM PST US From: Carlos Hernandez Subject: Re: RV-List: Data plate questions Question about serial #'s.... I've "heard" here and there that FAA wants the serial # to match the builders number. I don't think is is that way but It shouldn't matter if I wanted to register with serial # 17BYLOS does it? Carlos in AZ STILL saving money for the -7A wings scott bilinski wrote: > > Model > Manufacturer > Ser # > > Thats all I have. > > Scott Bilinski > RV-8a > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: Tim Bryan > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:39:08 AM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions > > > I just put the month and year I anticipated the inspection to be within. > The DAR never even looked at it. > > Tim > > >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- >> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:11 AM >> To: rv-list >> Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions >> >> >> Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements >> for the Airframe Data plate? >> >> All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and >> refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates >> for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen >> them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements. >> >> What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the >> date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet >> declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to >> airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what >> data do I put there? >> >> Thanks, >> Ralph >> Working on the million little things...... >> >> >> >> >> > > > Looking for last minute shopping deals? > > > -- Carlos Hernandez Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 Chandler, AZ 85224 Phone: 480.968.8600 Fax: 480.968.8608 www.sec-engr.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:57:18 PM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: Data plate questions Shouldn't make a rat's butt of difference. It just has to be unique within the system Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Gotta Fly or Gonna Die Building RV-4 (Super Slow Build Version) Carlos Hernandez wrote: > > > Question about serial #'s.... > I've "heard" here and there that FAA wants the serial # to match the > builders number. I don't think is is that way but It shouldn't matter > if I wanted to register with serial # 17BYLOS does it? > > Carlos in AZ > STILL saving money for the -7A wings > > scott bilinski wrote: > >> >> Model >> Manufacturer >> Ser # >> Thats all I have. >> >> Scott Bilinski >> RV-8a >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ---- >> From: Tim Bryan >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 6:39:08 AM >> Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions >> >> >> I just put the month and year I anticipated the inspection to be within. >> The DAR never even looked at it. >> >> Tim >> >> >> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- >>> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ralph E. Capen >>> Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 8:11 AM >>> To: rv-list >>> Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions >>> >>> >>> Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum >>> requirements >>> for the Airframe Data plate? >>> >>> All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and >>> refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data >>> plates >>> for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen >>> them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements. >>> >>> What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy >>> of the >>> date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet >>> declared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to >>> airworthiness inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved >>> prior....what >>> data do I put there? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> Ralph >>> Working on the million little things...... >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> Looking for last minute shopping deals? >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 06:05:49 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: "News to me!" That's correct. ----- Original Message ---- From: Bob Collins Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2008 7:01:34 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: "News to me!" DIV { MARGIN:0px;} I assume the hole you're referencing here is the farthest forward one on the plans? From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Paul Besing Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2008 11:00 PM rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: "News to me!" As much as I love their airplanes, their prices, and generally the company altogether, they do have a tendency to say "never heard of that". I cracked my canopy on my -6A because there is one hole that many, many people have drilled on the side skirt that will crack the canopy. I just didn't think my conditions would crack because of shop temperature, amount of pressure on the curve, etc. Well, it did crack and I wasn't going to have a 3" crack on a brand new airplane. Told van's to make that hole not shown to be drilled on the plans per mine and many other recommendations including George Orndorff, and they acted like I was the first. Same thing with my RV-4 rudder just a couple of weeks ago. The plans do not adjust for the thicker skins and the distance for the stiffeners to the trailing edge is wrong on the plans when you use a .020 skin. They again acted like it was never a problem, but anyone who follows the plans on that drawing with the .020 skin will have the same problem. So, the best we can do is educate Van's the best we can, as we are his real "beta testers". I just wish they would admit flaws sometimes and fix them. Sure would have saved us alot of $$ I'm sure! Paul Besing do not archive Be a better friend, newshound, and href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:34 PM PST US From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions http://www.rvdar.com/FAR_45.htm Permanent attached Fireproof Data Plate with Builder's Name (Make), Model Designation, and Builder's Serial Number. The above info MUST match the registration info that is on the 8050-3 that comes from Oklahoma City. The MODEL and Serial Number can be anything that you like but the only mode l with the serial number that you assign. If your aircraft is an RV-?, then it is best to use the builder's number that Van's assigned. IF you purchas e a kit from Van but register it as "YOUR NAME Special", the S/N can be any thing you want or the number that Van assigned. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 2,077 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA > Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:10:55 -0500 > From: recapen@earthlink.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions > > > Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirement s for the Airframe Data plate? > > All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and ref er to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements. > > What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of th e date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet d eclared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to airworthine ss inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what data do I pu t there? > > Thanks, > Ralph > Working on the million little things...... > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Climb to the top of the charts!-Play the word scramble challenge with sta r power. http://club.live.com/star_shuffle.aspx?icid=starshuffle_wlmailtextlink_ja n ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.