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1. 03:50 AM - Re: Data plate questions-now serial number (Dana Overall)
2. 08:30 AM - Re: Data plate questions-now serial number (Greg Young)
3. 08:42 AM - Re: Data plate questions-now serial number (linn Walters)
4. 11:29 AM - Re: Data plate questions (Glen Matejcek)
5. 11:29 AM - Re: Data plate questions (Glen Matejcek)
6. 12:22 PM - Rv: Rv-list Step Crack (emrath@comcast.net)
7. 01:17 PM - Re: Rv: Rv-list Step Crack (Ed Anderson)
8. 01:39 PM - The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes (Ed Anderson)
9. 02:18 PM - Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes (NationAir)
10. 02:36 PM - Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes (Tim Bryan)
11. 02:44 PM - Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes (Rob Prior)
12. 05:12 PM - Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes (Ed Anderson)
13. 05:15 PM - Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes (Ed Anderson)
14. 07:49 PM - Re: Data plate questions (Mike Robertson)
15. 08:23 PM - Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes (Robin Marks)
16. 10:50 PM - Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes (Bob Perkinson)
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| Subject: | Data plate questions-now serial number |
When I registered my airplane with the FAA, I changed the model number and
serial number. I got it returned with the FAA saying they wanted at least
one of those two remaining unchanged, thus a DO-7 with my builders number.
Figure that one out.....................
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider "Black Magic"
Flying
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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From: rv6_flyer@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions
http://www.rvdar.com/FAR_45.htm
Permanent attached Fireproof Data Plate with
Builder's Name (Make), Model Designation, and Builder's Serial Number.
The above info MUST match the registration info that is on the 8050-3 that
comes from Oklahoma City.
The MODEL and Serial Number can be anything that you like but the only mode
l with the serial number that you assign. If your aircraft is an RV-?, then
it is best to use the builder's number that Van's assigned. IF you purchas
e a kit from Van but register it as "YOUR NAME Special", the S/N can be any
thing you want or the number that Van assigned.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,077 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:10:55 -0500
> From: recapen@earthlink.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions
>
>
> Does anyone have a link to a document that states the minimum requirement
s for the Airframe Data plate?
>
> All the government documents that I've found so far are gibberish and ref
er to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sell data plates for
the individual builder to have engraved and install and I have seen them in
use so they must meet some minimum requirements.
>
> What I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of th
e date of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet d
eclared airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to airworthine
ss inspection - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what data do I pu
t there?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph
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| Subject: | Data plate questions-now serial number |
The Kit Bill of Sale you get from Van's has the Model and S/N. The bill of
sale is now (since ~2000) required for the registration process for a kit
plane. I'd guess their requirement to leave at least one unchanged was to
maintain a paper trail between the KBOS and registration. There are probably
ways around the Kit Bill of Sale since AFAIK it's an FAA Order and not in
the regs. But when you're that close to completion, who wants to fight the
bureaucracy?
Regards,
Greg Young
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:45 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions-now serial number
When I registered my airplane with the FAA, I changed the model number and
serial number. I got it returned with the FAA saying they wanted at least
one of those two remaining unchanged, thus a DO-7 with my builders number.
Figure that one out.....................
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider "Black Magic" Flying
O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: Data plate questions-now serial number |
Greg Young wrote:
> The Kit Bill of Sale you get from Van's has the Model and S/N. The
> bill of sale is now (since ~2000) required for the registration
> process for a kit plane. I'd guess their requirement to leave at least
> one unchanged was to maintain a paper trail between the KBOS and
> registration. There are probably ways around the Kit Bill of Sale
> since AFAIK it's an FAA Order and not in the regs. But when you're
> that close to completion, who wants to fight the bureaucracy?
Color me sceptical, but I haven't registered anything recently so I
don't know. For sales tax reasons I'm not going to register it as
anything resembling a kit plane. And I bought 'aircraft materials' from
another builder. What about the guy that builds an airplane from
scratch??? Maybe 'das fed' will chime in here and comment???
Linn
do not archive
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall
> Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:45 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Data plate questions-now serial number
>
> When I registered my airplane with the FAA, I changed the model
> number and serial number. I got it returned with the FAA saying
> they wanted at least one of those two remaining unchanged, thus a
> DO-7 with my builders number. Figure that one
> out.....................
>
> Dana Overall
> Richmond, KY i39
> RV-7 slider "Black Magic" Flying
> O 360 A1A, C/S C2YR-1BF/F7666A4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com/firstflight_010.jpg
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
> http://rvflying.tripod.com
> do not archive
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Data plate questions |
Hi Carlos-
RE: Question about serial #'s....
>I've "heard" here and there that FAA wants the serial # to match the
>builders number. I don't think is is that way but It shouldn't matter if
>I wanted to register with serial # 17BYLOS does it?
Actually, the fed DOES want you to use van's type designation and serial number.
They want it that way so that it is easier to compile accident / safety stats.
Apparently, making a note in their report that the Whiz-Bang 5000 was actually
kitted as an RV-x is more than they can achieve. However, the pertinent
thing here is that they WANT you to do that. You don't HAVE to do that. You
may wonder how I know this.... ;-)
Glen Matejcek
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| Subject: | Re: Data plate questions |
Hi Carlos-
RE: Question about serial #'s....
>I've "heard" here and there that FAA wants the serial # to match the
>builders number. I don't think is is that way but It shouldn't matter if
>I wanted to register with serial # 17BYLOS does it?
Actually, the fed DOES want you to use van's type designation and serial number.
They want it that way so that it is easier to compile accident / safety stats.
Apparently, making a note in their report that the Whiz-Bang 5000 was actually
kitted as an RV-x is more than they can achieve. However, the pertinent
thing here is that they WANT you to do that. You don't HAVE to do that. You
may wonder how I know this.... ;-)
Glen Matejcek
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| Subject: | Rv: Rv-list Step Crack |
Looks like I'll regret having put the flange on the inside of the side skin.
:>(
Marty in Brentwood TN RV-6A not flying yet.
Time: 10:51:02 AM PST US
From: "Chuck Weyant" <chuck@chuckdirect.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack
I don't think the problem is inside, its exterior. No need for all the
nutplates and added labor.
To remove the step for repair, all I did was cut a 5 inch square hole in
the baggage floor over the plastic block, bolt and nut of the step unit.
Removed the bolt, made the repair to the step, reinstalled and fastened
a new cover plate over the baggage floor cutout. Easy. And if it
happens again, access will even be quicker with only two or four screws
to remove to gain access.
Chuck
Subject: RE: RV-List: Step crack
Another reason I'm glad I used nutplates on my baggage floor. Looks
like checking this location needs to be part of the annual
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| Subject: | Re: Rv: Rv-list Step Crack |
You may not Marty. I put the flange on the inside of my Rv-6A back in
1997 and as of yet, have not had any crack problems.
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: emrath@comcast.net
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:17 PM
Subject: RV-List: Rv: Rv-list Step Crack
Looks like I'll regret having put the flange on the inside of the side
skin. :>(
Marty in Brentwood TN RV-6A not flying yet.
Time: 10:51:02 AM PST US
From: "Chuck Weyant" <chuck@chuckdirect.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Step crack
I don't think the problem is inside, its exterior. No need for all the
nutplates and added labor.
To remove the step for repair, all I did was cut a 5 inch square hole
in
the baggage floor over the plastic block, bolt and nut of the step
unit.
Removed the bolt, made the repair to the step, reinstalled and
fastened
a new cover plate over the baggage floor cutout. Easy. And if it
happens again, access will even be quicker with only two or four
screws
to remove to gain access.
Chuck
Subject: RE: RV-List: Step crack
Another reason I'm glad I used nutplates on my baggage floor. Look s
like checking this location needs to be part of the annual
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| Subject: | The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes |
I recently went through three years of fight with the tax man due to a
quirk of Zip code zoning and the FAA (apparently in complying with the
demand of states who want to tax your airplane) that some of you may
want to know about.
The adjacent county has a large city with the typical heavy tax burden
on its citizens - three years ago I started receiving a tax notice for
some unspecified personal property that supposedly resided in their
county.
It took me two years to discover that the personal properly they were
trying to tax was indeed my aircraft. Despite correspondence with the
tax authorities to the effect that I was not/had never been a resident
and did not/never had any personal property in their county. The
harassment persisted. I then went to the on-line aircraft registration
data and sure enough - the FAA had put my aircraft in their county!!!
To make a long, long story shorter, it turns out that even thought there
was no place on the FAA aircraft registration form for county, the FAA
decided to added it to your registration record based on your postal zip
code. Now, normally that probably works OK, but in my case, and I
suspect others out there it turns out my postal zip code is for a town
in the adjacent county - yep, the high tax zone. They scanned the FAA
registration rolls for their county and got a hit on me.
I finally got the FAA to change my aircraft registration county to the
correct county, but am still being pestered by the tax authorities. If
this does not change by next tax year, I am considering a harassment
lawsuit against the tax authority - Yes, its changed in the FAA records,
but it is probably forever embedded in this county's tax computer {:<(.
So the message is - check your aircraft registration data on file at
the FAA http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.asp
to make certain the information reflects the correct county (or any
other pertinent information) for your aircraft (this assumes you want
it to reflect the correct information {:>))
FWIW Do Not Archive
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
http://www.andersonee.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
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| Subject: | Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes |
Ed -
Excellent point. The FAA updates there records much faster now and it is very
important to check to see they get it right. This includes your airman record.
About 2 years ago they started "red flagging" registrations that were not completed
properly. If a registration is incomplete or has an error they will
attach a warning on it. I think (not confirmed) they require any inconsistencies
to be cleared up or you could face a violation - not sure how severe, but
possible.
While we are on the topic of registrations, everyone should also remember the name
and address on your registration should match your insurance policy. It makes
it that much easier in the event of a claim or loss.
$0.02 from the insurance guy.
--------
David McCoy
Branch Manager
Light Aircraft Division
NationAir Aviation Insurance
www.nationair.com
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=160493#160493
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| Subject: | The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes |
Hi Ed,
I just checked mine and sure enough they have the wrong county on mine as
well. My address is actually the neighbor town where the post office is,
but I actually live in a different town and county.
What did you have to do to cause the FAA to correct the record?
Do Not Archive
Tim
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:36 PM
Subject: RV-List: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes
I recently went through three years of fight with the tax man due to a quirk
of Zip code zoning and the FAA (apparently in complying with the demand of
states who want to tax your airplane) that some of you may want to know
about.
The adjacent county has a large city with the typical heavy tax burden on
its citizens - three years ago I started receiving a tax notice for some
unspecified personal property that supposedly resided in their county.
It took me two years to discover that the personal properly they were trying
to tax was indeed my aircraft. Despite correspondence with the tax
authorities to the effect that I was not/had never been a resident and did
not/never had any personal property in their county. The harassment
persisted. I then went to the on-line aircraft registration data and sure
enough - the FAA had put my aircraft in their county!!!
To make a long, long story shorter, it turns out that even thought there was
no place on the FAA aircraft registration form for county, the FAA decided
to added it to your registration record based on your postal zip code. Now,
normally that probably works OK, but in my case, and I suspect others out
there it turns out my postal zip code is for a town in the adjacent county -
yep, the high tax zone. They scanned the FAA registration rolls for their
county and got a hit on me.
I finally got the FAA to change my aircraft registration county to the
correct county, but am still being pestered by the tax authorities. If this
does not change by next tax year, I am considering a harassment lawsuit
against the tax authority - Yes, its changed in the FAA records, but it is
probably forever embedded in this county's tax computer {:<(.
So the message is - check your aircraft registration data on file at the
FAA http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.asp
to make certain the information reflects the correct county (or any other
pertinent information) for your aircraft (this assumes you want it to
reflect the correct information {:>))
FWIW Do Not Archive
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
http://www.andersonee.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
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| Subject: | The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes |
On 14:32 2008-01-25 "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com> wrote:
> I just checked mine and sure enough they have the wrong county on
> mine as well. My address is actually the neighbor town where the
> post office is, but I actually live in a different town and county.
Make sure the correct one has a lower tax rate before you switch... :)
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes |
Tim, someplace on the FAA cite there is an e mail form to contact the
airman's registration branch. However, here is the e mail address from
which I was contacted by the FAA and told they had corrected the error.
You might try it or search their site - I can't seem to locate the e
mail form on a quick look.
9-AMC-AFS750-Aircraft/AMC/FAA@FAA
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: Tim Bryan
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and
Taxes
Hi Ed,
I just checked mine and sure enough they have the wrong county on mine
as well. My address is actually the neighbor town where the post office
is, but I actually live in a different town and county.
What did you have to do to cause the FAA to correct the record?
Do Not Archive
Tim
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ed Anderson
Sent: Friday, January 25, 2008 3:36 PM
To: RV-List
Subject: RV-List: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes
I recently went through three years of fight with the tax man due to a
quirk of Zip code zoning and the FAA (apparently in complying with the
demand of states who want to tax your airplane) that some of you may
want to know about.
The adjacent county has a large city with the typical heavy tax burden
on its citizens - three years ago I started receiving a tax notice for
some unspecified personal property that supposedly resided in their
county.
It took me two years to discover that the personal properly they were
trying to tax was indeed my aircraft. Despite correspondence with the
tax authorities to the effect that I was not/had never been a resident
and did not/never had any personal property in their county. The
harassment persisted. I then went to the on-line aircraft registration
data and sure enough - the FAA had put my aircraft in their county!!!
To make a long, long story shorter, it turns out that even thought
there was no place on the FAA aircraft registration form for county, the
FAA decided to added it to your registration record based on your postal
zip code. Now, normally that probably works OK, but in my case, and I
suspect others out there it turns out my postal zip code is for a town
in the adjacent county - yep, the high tax zone. They scanned the FAA
registration rolls for their county and got a hit on me.
I finally got the FAA to change my aircraft registration county to the
correct county, but am still being pestered by the tax authorities. If
this does not change by next tax year, I am considering a harassment
lawsuit against the tax authority - Yes, its changed in the FAA records,
but it is probably forever embedded in this county's tax computer {:<(.
So the message is - check your aircraft registration data on file at
the FAA http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNum_inquiry.asp
to make certain the information reflects the correct county (or any
other pertinent information) for your aircraft (this assumes you want
it to reflect the correct information {:>))
FWIW Do Not Archive
Ed
Ed Anderson
Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered
Matthews, NC
eanderson@carolina.rr.com
http://www.andersonee.com
http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW
http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html
http://www.matronics.com/contribution
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| Subject: | Re: The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes |
-List message posted by: "Rob Prior" <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> On 14:32 2008-01-25 "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com> wrote:
>> I just checked mine and sure enough they have the wrong county on
>> mine as well. My address is actually the neighbor town where the
>> post office is, but I actually live in a different town and county.
>
> Make sure the correct one has a lower tax rate before you switch... :)
>
> -Rob
>
A good point Rob, had not the county I resided in with my aircraft not had
a much lower tax rate - I, urhmm... might not been as vigorous in having the
record corrected {:>). But, ultimately, you could have two tax authorities
after your $$$. In several local counties, the local government has sent
forms to each airport manager requiring them to list all aircraft that
reside on the airport. My airport manager recently received such a form and
apparently feels legally bound to comply with it.
Ed
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| Subject: | Data plate questions |
Ralph,
Per FAR 45 there are only three things required on the airframe dataplate.
The Make, model, and serial number are those three things. Anything else
is up to you.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
> Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2008 09:10:55 -0500> From: recapen@earthlink.net> To: r
v-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Data plate questions> > --> RV-List
message posted by: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>> > Does anyone
have a link to a document that states the minimum requirements for the Air
frame Data plate?> > All the government documents that I've found so far ar
e gibberish and refer to the engine. I know that some kit manufacturers sel
l data plates for the individual builder to have engraved and install and I
have seen them in use so they must meet some minimum requirements.> > What
I'm specifically interested in is the requirement for accuracy of the date
of manufacture. My airframe is built and registered - but not yet declared
airworthy. I need to have the plate installed prior to airworthiness inspe
ction - so I'll need to have it engraved prior....what data do I put there?
====================> > >
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On a similar note... several years back I started receiving property tax
notices for a plane I had tied down at our local airport. You know the
typical row of bug smashers left exposed to the elements. It turns out
that every year between 12/15 and 12/31 a tax assessor drives the
airport writing down all tail numbers. I am sure they connect the dots
as to the owners and schedule a property tax bill.
A year later I sold that plane and purchased a big hangar that now has 3
of my 5 planes (don't ask...) I have never received a tax bill for these
aircraft simply because my N Numbers are out of sight.
Basically all the small, relatively inexpensive aircraft owners are
being taxed while all the expensive iron sitting in their comfy, clean
hangars get a free ride.
Obviously some of the hangar owners are paying the proper aircraft taxes
but who knows.
We need a radically simplified tax system.
Robin
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| Subject: | The FAA, County of Regsistration,Zip Code and Taxes |
How about No Tax, at all. We now pay tax upon tax, tax on the fuel we burn, tax
on the truck the delivers the fuel, tax on the fuel that the trucked used to
bring the fuel, tax on the tires that the truck that delivered the fuel. the
refinery that produced the fuel is taxed, along with the men and equipment that
is used to make the fuel. Taxed on the raw fuel so as to be able to bring
it into the country. not to mention all the other taxes that are applied to some
of the avionics, some where their prob is a break down of how much tax and
the percentages played would the value be.
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Bob perkinson
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From: "Robin Marks" <robin1@mrmoisture.com>
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> On a similar note... several years back I started receiving property tax
> notices for a plane I had tied down at our local airport. You know the
> typical row of bug smashers left exposed to the elements. It turns out
> that every year between 12/15 and 12/31 a tax assessor drives the
> airport writing down all tail numbers. I am sure they connect the dots
> as to the owners and schedule a property tax bill.
> A year later I sold that plane and purchased a big hangar that now has 3
> of my 5 planes (don't ask...) I have never received a tax bill for these
> aircraft simply because my N Numbers are out of sight.
> Basically all the small, relatively inexpensive aircraft owners are
> being taxed while all the expensive iron sitting in their comfy, clean
> hangars get a free ride.
> Obviously some of the hangar owners are paying the proper aircraft taxes
> but who knows.
> We need a radically simplified tax system.
>
> Robin
> Panel almost here!
> Do Not Archive
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>
>
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