---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 02/26/08: 9 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:14 AM - Re: Gas tank repair (Dale Ensing) 2. 06:49 AM - Re: stab offset (glen matejcek) 3. 08:30 AM - Re: Gas tank repair (mike humphrey) 4. 08:34 AM - Re: Re: stab offset (Tim Bryan) 5. 08:51 AM - tanks (Wheeler North) 6. 09:19 AM - Re: tanks (John W. Cox) 7. 11:14 AM - 8130-4 FAA Form (Merlin) 8. 12:05 PM - Re: 8130-4 FAA Form (Mike Robertson) 9. 05:38 PM - Langair (Emrath) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:14:55 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gas tank repair I do not recall a separate reinforcement ring on my 6A. Only that which is formed into the rib/tank wall. Could you be seeing a cork gasket? Or other gasket material? I suggest you start working the tool between the access plate and what ever is next. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: "Louis Willig" Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:04 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Gas tank repair > > At 06:02 AM 2/25/2008, you wrote: >> >>A method we have used successfully. when doing the SB fix on the pick up >>line, is to use a very flexible putty knife sharpened a bit on the end >>edge. Work it in between the plate and the ring. It helps if you can warm >>the Proseal.(heat lamp or sun) After you have one side loose you can >>apply some pressure to the plate by pulling/lifting on the loose side >>which will help get the knife in around the remaining edge. A little >>bending of the plate is OK when you are pulling on it as it will >>straighten when you release the pressure. >>Dale Ensing >>EAA TC & FA > > Dale, > > you are the first person to use the word " ring". Is there a ring ( like > a reinforcing) between the access plate and the tank wall? I see what > looks like two layers of metal attached to the rib. Is this an illusion? > (or is there actually a ring between the access plate and the tank wall? I > have been unable to decide where to attack with my sharpened knife. > > Several people have suggested heating the area. This is a great idea. And > there are zero fumes left in the tank. > > Thanks to all so far. I've been on the "list" for over ten years, and this > is why. > > > - > Louis I Willig > 1640 Oakwood Dr. > Penn Valley, PA 19072 > 610 668-4964 > RV-4, N180PF > 190HP IO-360, C/S prop > > > ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:49:03 AM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: RV-List: RE: stab offset Hey Terry- Thanks for the reply on the stab offset a while back. Sorry for the slow response- I may be slow, but I am stupid.... glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net Do not archiv ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:30:51 AM PST US From: "mike humphrey" Subject: Re: RV-List: Gas tank repair Dale, As I recall on my 9A there is a separate reinforcement ring that the nutplates as flush riveted to and then prosealed to the inside of the outer most rib. The cover plate is then prosealed on the inside and then attached to the rib with screws with the cork gasket sandwiched between. This is the cover plate NOT the sender attach plate. So the screws are through cover plate-cork gasket-rib-reinforcement ring-platenuts. Check your plans set but I am almost positive that is how the 9A tanks are assembled. Now for the disclaimer before anyone jumps my neck-Check you plan set, I may be wrong since I have not looked at the plans for about 2 years, this is only my recollection of the sequence. Mike H 9A/8A ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Ensing" Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 6:10 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Gas tank repair > > I do not recall a separate reinforcement ring on my 6A. Only that which is > formed into the rib/tank wall. Could you be seeing a cork gasket? Or other > gasket material? I suggest you start working the tool between the access > plate and what ever is next. > Dale > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Louis Willig" > To: > Sent: Monday, February 25, 2008 6:04 PM > Subject: Re: RV-List: Gas tank repair > > >> >> At 06:02 AM 2/25/2008, you wrote: >>> >>>A method we have used successfully. when doing the SB fix on the pick up >>>line, is to use a very flexible putty knife sharpened a bit on the end >>>edge. Work it in between the plate and the ring. It helps if you can warm >>>the Proseal.(heat lamp or sun) After you have one side loose you can >>>apply some pressure to the plate by pulling/lifting on the loose side >>>which will help get the knife in around the remaining edge. A little >>>bending of the plate is OK when you are pulling on it as it will >>>straighten when you release the pressure. >>>Dale Ensing >>>EAA TC & FA >> >> Dale, >> >> you are the first person to use the word " ring". Is there a ring ( like >> a reinforcing) between the access plate and the tank wall? I see what >> looks like two layers of metal attached to the rib. Is this an >> illusion? (or is there actually a ring between the access plate and the >> tank wall? I have been unable to decide where to attack with my sharpened >> knife. >> >> Several people have suggested heating the area. This is a great idea. And >> there are zero fumes left in the tank. >> >> Thanks to all so far. I've been on the "list" for over ten years, and >> this is why. >> >> >> >> - >> Louis I Willig >> 1640 Oakwood Dr. >> Penn Valley, PA 19072 >> 610 668-4964 >> RV-4, N180PF >> 190HP IO-360, C/S prop >> >> >> >> >> > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:40 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: stab offset >> I may be slow, but I am stupid.... << Wow, a double whammy! lol Tim Bryan RV-6 Do Not Archive ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:51:18 AM PST US From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: tanks And there are zero fumes left in the tank. This condition is not possible unless there has never been any fuel in the tank. And I've seen more then one person have a booming experience believing it was possible. Some old, still living, tank welders tricks are route some exhaust gasses into the tank while working on it, dry nitrogen, and I think they used to pour some carbon tetrocloride, or something like that into it, again to fume out the oxygen. However, if we see you whiz by during the next eclipse we'll at least know what became of you... ;{) ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:35 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: tanks From: "John W. Cox" The Poor Man's purge system is a few chunks of Dry Ice which when evaporated creates CO2 which is heavier than hydrocarbon fumes. John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Wheeler North Sent: Tuesday, February 26, 2008 8:46 AM Subject: RV-List: tanks And there are zero fumes left in the tank. This condition is not possible unless there has never been any fuel in the tank. And I've seen more then one person have a booming experience believing it was possible. Some old, still living, tank welders tricks are route some exhaust gasses into the tank while working on it, dry nitrogen, and I think they used to pour some carbon tetrocloride, or something like that into it, again to fume out the oxygen. However, if we see you whiz by during the next eclipse we'll at least know what became of you... ;{) ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:14:52 AM PST US From: "Merlin" Subject: RV-List: 8130-4 FAA Form Hello, To export a certified Lycoming to Europe, Vans told me they cannot join a 8130-4 form. They put instead an export airworthiness certificate, which is not valid in Belgium. Does a dear European fellow RV Member have more experience with such a problem ? (Nothing found in the archive). Thanks in advance to the community, Philippe Brussels RV9A - busy with fuselage ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 12:05:54 PM PST US From: Mike Robertson Subject: RE: RV-List: 8130-4 FAA Form Phillippe, I work for the Federal Aviation Admin here in the US and used to prepare th e Export documents for Van's Aircraft. According to AC 21-2K the US and Be lgium have a bi-lateral agreement. They should, therefore, accept the expo rt Certificate of Airworthiness that needs to issued for an engine. If you are having problems with your local people you can contact our internation al office in Brussels at the American Embassy. Mike Robertson Das Fed From: phil.merlin@skynet.beTo: rv-list@matronics.comSubject: RV-List: 8130- 4 FAA FormDate: Tue, 26 Feb 2008 20:12:27 +0100 Hello, To export a certified Lycoming to Europe, Vans told me they cannot join a 8 130-4 form. They put instead an export airworthiness certificate, which is not valid in Belgium. Does a dear European fellow RV Member have more expe rience with such a problem ? (Nothing found in the archive). Thanks in advance to the community, Philippe Brussels RV9A - busy with fuselage _________________________________________________________________ Connect and share in new ways with Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_0120 08 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:31 PM PST US From: "Emrath" Subject: RV-List: Langair Folks, I have to give some "kudos" to Langair. I shipped them my gear leg to perform the SB07-11-9 modification to the gear leg for my RV-6A and he turned it around in ONE day!!! GREAT serivce and the leg looks just like the new leg that it is! Sure wish Van's backlog of the new wheel weldment would ease up a bit now. 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