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1. 05:56 AM - Re: Stainless Steel Fuel Line (bert murillo)
2. 07:13 AM - Re: wheel chocks (mike humphrey)
3. 10:28 AM - Re: Stainless Steel Fuel Line (SCOTT SPENCER)
4. 03:50 PM - Clocking the prop ? (Bill Schlatterer)
5. 05:18 PM - Re: Clocking the prop ? (Charlie England)
6. 05:36 PM - Re: wheel chocks (Konrad L. Werner)
7. 05:36 PM - Re: Clocking the prop ? (William Davis)
8. 05:39 PM - Re: Clocking the prop ? (Bill Boyd)
9. 07:50 PM - Removing pad mounted alternator (Jeff Bertsch)
10. 08:49 PM - Re: Clocking the prop ? (scott bilinski)
11. 09:26 PM - Re: Clocking the prop ? (Bill Schlatterer)
12. 09:54 PM - Re: wheel chocks (mike humphrey)
13. 11:04 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
14. 11:06 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless Steel Fuel Line |
Mike: the only thing is how you aare going to do all that bending, believe me
it was
hard and tedious, even on all aluminum tubes...
bert
mike humphrey <mike109g6@insideconnect.net> wrote:
!. $$$$$
2. I may be wrong but I believe that you can only use steel AN fittings with
SS.
3. $$$$$
4. I could see doing the brake lines, ie pressure, but why the fuel lines?
Have you looked at all of the bends that have to be made? If you have an IO engine
= nightmare.
Good luck,
Mike H 9A/8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Michael Duran
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 12:27 AM
Subject: RV-List: Stainless Steel Fuel Line
I am considering using stainless steel tubing for the rigid fuel lines on my
7. Yeah I know there are hundreds of RV's and thousands of other planes flying
around out there with aluminum lines, but I thought it would be fun and educational
to use SS, help my TIG welding skills, etc....
Anyway, can anyone come up with any negatives to doing so?
Michael Duran
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| Subject: | Re: wheel chocks |
Dave,
Go to your local Lowe's aviation store. In the metals stock dept. there is
some galvanized angle stock with oval holes vertically and horizontally cut
into it. Stock is used for garage door hangers. Strong, durable, cut to
whatever length that you want them, paint/powder coat to any color that you
want, drill a hole in them for a nylon rope to tie them together. About $4
for a 48" section. Easily can make 2 or 3 sets for you and your
buddies-nice present. Same stuff that you see for sale on various sites for
$25/set. Did I mention that they will fit under the wheel pants?
Mike H 9A/8A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bayne" <bjust@cox.net>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: wheel chocks
>
> Hi David,
>
> I use the Koger wheel chocks on my RV-9A, they do the job.
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/koger-chocks.htm
>
> Bayne
> RV-9A N910BJ
> KSEE Gillespie Field
> San Diego
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <davidbf@centurytel.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:45 AM
> Subject: RV-List: wheel chocks
>
>
>>
>> I'm wondering what RVers are doing for wheel chocks when parking on a
>> ramp. At
>> some of the airports I've flown to, one in particular I'm met with a line
>> guy
>> wanting to kick the thick yellow chocks into my wheelpants, but
>> eventually
>> brings it back to the tailwheel. I've seen some plastic wedges
>> advertised
>> along with metal angle, but wondered if anyone's found the item to be the
>> ideal
>> thing for the RV.
>>
>>
>> Dave Ford
>> Cadillac, MI
>> RV6 flying 250 hrs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 8:18 AM
>>
>>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Stainless Steel Fuel Line |
BAD idea I think. In addition to being heavy, expensive and hard to work, stainless
lines are notorious for cracking because stainless work hardens much more
quickly than aluminum. It is best used in locations where heat is a factor and
movement isn't -such as fuel lines on turbine engines themselves (which are
formed by automated machines specially designed for the purpose and then stress-relieved).
NASA can't keep stainless lines from cracking on the shuttles. It's
a constant problem for them.
TIG welder? On fuel lines? Why? I own a TIG and have completed a flying RV and
I can't think of why welding would be used in this application.
A fuel system is no place to screw around. Use the accepted techniques -they
are in place because many people over many years have refined them, and determined
them best.
Scott Spencer
RV-4 and A&P mechanic for 20 years.
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| Subject: | Clocking the prop ? |
Just a little confused. I'm working on the prop spinner and mount and I
hear folks talking about clocking the prop. Bill Boyd read something and had
this to say:
"It says that a flat four engine will run more smoothly if the prop is
indexed to be in the same plane as the crank pins, meaning it is horizontal
when the pistons are at top or bottom dead center. This orientation is 60
degrees away from the indexing that is traditional for Lycomings, which is a
concession to ease of hand-propping.
Well, I tried it and it works. The difference in smoothness was noticable
from very first startup, and the engine is (subjectively) smoother at all
rpm ranges. The prop now stops at about 1 o'clock position viewed from the
front, as opposed to the traditional 10 o'clock position. "
Great, so now I am looking to mount my prop, New Hartzell BA on a O360.
When I look at the prop flange, there is only one bolt that is not recessed.
When I look at me crank flange, there are two bolts at 3 and 9 that will
accept the unrecessed bolt. That means that I can put the prop at 3 or 9
(same orientation) but no place else. The TC mark on my flywheel is at 1
o'clock and I don't see any way to clock anything given these two flanges?
Take a look.
Am I missing something? Is there just one way to put the prop on this
puppy?
Help appreciated.
Bill S
7a Ark sorta finishing
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| Subject: | Re: Clocking the prop ? |
Bill Schlatterer wrote:
>
> Just a little confused. I'm working on the prop spinner and mount and
> I hear folks talking about clocking the prop. Bill Boyd read something
> and had this to say:
>
> /"It says that a flat four engine will run more smoothly if the prop
> is indexed to be in the same plane as the crank pins, meaning it is
> horizontal when the pistons are at top or bottom dead center. This
> orientation is 60 degrees away from the indexing that is traditional
> for Lycomings, which is a concession to ease of hand-propping./
>
> /Well, I tried it and it works. The difference in smoothness was
> noticable from very first startup, and the engine is (subjectively)
> smoother at all rpm ranges. The prop now stops at about 1 o'clock
> position viewed from the front, as opposed to the traditional 10
> o'clock position. "/
>
> Great, so now I am looking to mount my prop, New Hartzell BA on a
> O360. When I look at the prop flange, there is only one bolt that is
> not recessed. When I look at me crank flange, there are two bolts at
> 3 and 9 that will accept the unrecessed bolt. That means that I can
> put the prop at 3 or 9 (same orientation) but no place else. The TC
> mark on my flywheel is at 1 o'clock and I don't see any way to clock
> anything given these two flanges? Take a look.
>
>
> <<...>> <<...>>
>
> Am I missing something? Is there just one way to put the prop on this
> puppy?
>
> Help appreciated.
>
> Bill S
> 7a Ark sorta finishing
>
Hi Bill,
There's a Lyc publication that describes how to re-clock the prop, but
I'd really have to do some digging to find it. You might find a
reference to it in the archives, or (probably fastest) just call Lyc. It
involves pressing out the crank flange bushings & moving (I think it
actually says to replace) the bushings so the prop will clock where you
want it.
Charlie
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| Subject: | Re: wheel chocks |
I think I know which one's you are talking about, but wouldn't this
galvanized angle stock be way heavy???
----- Original Message -----
From: mike humphrey
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: wheel chocks
<mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
Dave,
Go to your local Lowe's aviation store. In the metals stock dept.
there is
some galvanized angle stock with oval holes vertically and
horizontally cut
into it. Stock is used for garage door hangers. Strong, durable, cut
to
whatever length that you want them, paint/powder coat to any color
that you
want, drill a hole in them for a nylon rope to tie them together.
About $4
for a 48" section. Easily can make 2 or 3 sets for you and your
buddies-nice present. Same stuff that you see for sale on various
sites for
$25/set. Did I mention that they will fit under the wheel pants?
Mike H 9A/8A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bayne" <bjust@cox.net>
To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: wheel chocks
>
> Hi David,
>
> I use the Koger wheel chocks on my RV-9A, they do the job.
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/koger-chocks.htm
>
> Bayne
> RV-9A N910BJ
> KSEE Gillespie Field
> San Diego
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <davidbf@centurytel.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:45 AM
> Subject: RV-List: wheel chocks
>
>
>>
>> I'm wondering what RVers are doing for wheel chocks when parking on
a
>> ramp. At
>> some of the airports I've flown to, one in particular I'm met with
a line
>> guy
>> wanting to kick the thick yellow chocks into my wheelpants, but
>> eventually
>> brings it back to the tailwheel. I've seen some plastic wedges
>> advertised
>> along with metal angle, but wondered if anyone's found the item to
be the
>> ideal
>> thing for the RV.
>>
>>
>> Dave Ford
>> Cadillac, MI
>> RV6 flying 250 hrs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 8:18 AM
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Clocking the prop ? |
I can vouch for the fact that this will make your engine run
noticably smoother. In order to do this , it is necessary to move
some crankshaft flange bushings around. It has been 4 or 5 years
since I did this but as I remember, I had to buy one or two new
bushings. One of those bushings is over size (to index the ring
gear) and I believe that that on has to be shorter so that it is
flush with the front face of the ring gear. They can be pressed out
or in by using bolt-nut-washer-various size socket combinations.
You have to check your engine parts manual for part numbers. If you
don't have one, i will try to help
Bill Davis
On Mar 1, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Bill Schlatterer wrote:
>
> Just a little confused. I'm working on the prop spinner and mount
> and I hear folks talking about clocking the prop. Bill Boyd read
> something and had this to say:
>
> "It says that a flat four engine will run more smoothly if the prop
> is indexed to be in the same plane as the crank pins, meaning it is
> horizontal when the pistons are at top or bottom dead center. This
> orientation is 60 degrees away from the indexing that is
> traditional for Lycomings, which is a concession to ease of hand-
> propping.
>
> Well, I tried it and it works. The difference in smoothness was
> noticable from very first startup, and the engine is (subjectively)
> smoother at all rpm ranges. The prop now stops at about 1 o'clock
> position viewed from the front, as opposed to the traditional 10
> o'clock position. "
>
> Great, so now I am looking to mount my prop, New Hartzell BA on a
> O360. When I look at the prop flange, there is only one bolt that
> is not recessed. When I look at me crank flange, there are two
> bolts at 3 and 9 that will accept the unrecessed bolt. That means
> that I can put the prop at 3 or 9 (same orientation) but no place
> else. The TC mark on my flywheel is at 1 o'clock and I don't see
> any way to clock anything given these two flanges? Take a look.
>
>
> <<...>> <<...>>
>
> Am I missing something? Is there just one way to put the prop on
> this puppy?
>
> Help appreciated.
>
> Bill S
> 7a Ark sorta finishing
>
> <100_4383.jpg><100_4382.jpg>
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| Subject: | Re: Clocking the prop ? |
Yup, looking at the pics of your prop flange, I'd say you're screwed.
Seriously, it seems they don't want you indexing the prop any way but their
way, Bill.
I went back to conventional indexing at the same time I had my prop balanced
by Sensenich in Pennsylvania a few years ago... the re-indexing seemed to
help smoothness some, but there is no doubt that dynamic balancing did the
most, even with the return to conventional prop orientation at the same
time, and now I can hand-prop if I need to, like the time I left the master
on all night in Cody, WY and Ben Burrill played human starter for me :-)
while I held a 9 volt transistor battery across the battery contactor to
give a bit of precious juice to the P-Mags and some more to the alternator
field winding.
My testimonial in the archives about indexing is therefore a bit dated.
Don't tell John Schwaner at Sac Sky Ranch, but I've since moved back onto
the reservation - my prop is again indexed the same way as everyone else's
;-)
-Bill Boyd
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Bill Schlatterer <
billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Just a little confused. I'm working on the prop spinner and mount and I
> hear folks talking about clocking the prop. Bill Boyd read something and had
> this to say:
>
> *"It says that a flat four engine will run more smoothly if the prop is
> indexed to be in the same plane as the crank pins, meaning it is horizontal
> when the pistons are at top or bottom dead center. This orientation is 60
> degrees away from the indexing that is traditional for Lycomings, which is a
> concession to ease of hand-propping.*
>
> *Well, I tried it and it works. The difference in smoothness was
> noticable from very first startup, and the engine is (subjectively) smoother
> at all rpm ranges. The prop now stops at about 1 o'clock position viewed
> from the front, as opposed to the traditional 10 o'clock position. "*
>
> Great, so now I am looking to mount my prop, New Hartzell BA on a O360.
> When I look at the prop flange, there is only one bolt that is not
> recessed. When I look at me crank flange, there are two bolts at 3 and 9
> that will accept the unrecessed bolt. That means that I can put the prop at
> 3 or 9 (same orientation) but no place else. The TC mark on my flywheel is
> at 1 o'clock and I don't see any way to clock anything given these two
> flanges? Take a look.
>
> <<...>> <<...>>
>
> Am I missing something? Is there just one way to put the prop on this
> puppy?
>
> Help appreciated.
>
> Bill S
> 7a Ark sorta finishing
>
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| Subject: | Removing pad mounted alternator |
Hello all.
I have a B&N SD-20 direct drive alternator which is mounted on the vacuum accessory
pad on an IO-360.
The alternator has apparently failed.
Three of the nuts holding the alternator are relatively easy to get to.
However, the lower inner nut is well hidden and as far as I can tell impossible
to reach.
Does anyone have a tip on how to removed this vacuum pad nut without pulling the
engine?
Maybe a special tool?
Thanks for the help.
Jeff Bertsch
RV-4
Houston
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| Subject: | Re: Clocking the prop ? |
Why not call Lycoming and your prop manufacturer just to make sure your not introducing
some sort of dangerous harmonic into the situation. Of course they will
say don't do it so you will have to read between the lines.
Scott
----- Original Message ----
From: William Davis <rvpilot@embarqmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 1, 2008 5:10:46 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Clocking the prop ?
I can vouch for the fact that this will make your engine run noticably smoother.
In order to do this , it is necessary to move some crankshaft flange bushings
around. It has been 4 or 5 years since I did this but as I remember, I had
to buy one or two new bushings. One of those bushings is over size (to index
the ring gear) and I believe that that on has to be shorter so that it is flush
with the front face of the ring gear. They can be pressed out or in by using
bolt-nut-washer-various size socket combinations.
You have to check your engine parts manual for part numbers. If you don't have
one, i will try to help
Bill Davis
On Mar 1, 2008, at 5:31 PM, Bill Schlatterer wrote:
Just a little confused. I'm working on the prop spinner and mount and I hear folks
talking about clocking the prop. Bill Boyd read something and had this to
say:
"It says that a flat four engine will run more smoothly if the prop is indexed
to be in the same plane as the crank pins, meaning it is horizontal when the pistons
are at top or bottom dead center. This orientation is 60 degrees away
from the indexing that is traditional for Lycomings, which is a concession to
ease of hand-propping.
Well, I tried it and it works. The difference in smoothness was noticable from
very first startup, and the engine is (subjectively) smoother at all rpm ranges.
The prop now stops at about 1 o'clock position viewed from the front, as
opposed to the traditional 10 o'clock position. "
Great, so now I am looking to mount my prop, New Hartzell BA on a O360. When I
look at the prop flange, there is only one bolt that is not recessed. When I
look at me crank flange, there are two bolts at 3 and 9 that will accept the
unrecessed bolt. That means that I can put the prop at 3 or 9 (same orientation)
but no place else. The TC mark on my flywheel is at 1 o'clock and I don't
see any way to clock anything given these two flanges? Take a look.
<<...>> <<...>>
Am I missing something? Is there just one way to put the prop on this puppy?
Help appreciated.
Bill S
7a Ark sorta finishing
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| Subject: | Clocking the prop ? |
See, that's what you get when you save everything ;-) I think it will just
go on as is and worry later if there is a problem.
Thanks Bill S
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Boyd
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 7:36 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Clocking the prop ?
Yup, looking at the pics of your prop flange, I'd say you're screwed.
Seriously, it seems they don't want you indexing the prop any way but their
way, Bill.
I went back to conventional indexing at the same time I had my prop balanced
by Sensenich in Pennsylvania a few years ago... the re-indexing seemed to
help smoothness some, but there is no doubt that dynamic balancing did the
most, even with the return to conventional prop orientation at the same
time, and now I can hand-prop if I need to, like the time I left the master
on all night in Cody, WY and Ben Burrill played human starter for me :-)
while I held a 9 volt transistor battery across the battery contactor to
give a bit of precious juice to the P-Mags and some more to the alternator
field winding.
My testimonial in the archives about indexing is therefore a bit dated.
Don't tell John Schwaner at Sac Sky Ranch, but I've since moved back onto
the reservation - my prop is again indexed the same way as everyone else's
;-)
-Bill Boyd
On Sat, Mar 1, 2008 at 5:31 PM, Bill Schlatterer
<billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Just a little confused. I'm working on the prop spinner and mount and I
hear folks talking about clocking the prop. Bill Boyd read something and had
this to say:
"It says that a flat four engine will run more smoothly if the prop is
indexed to be in the same plane as the crank pins, meaning it is horizontal
when the pistons are at top or bottom dead center. This orientation is 60
degrees away from the indexing that is traditional for Lycomings, which is a
concession to ease of hand-propping.
Well, I tried it and it works. The difference in smoothness was noticable
from very first startup, and the engine is (subjectively) smoother at all
rpm ranges. The prop now stops at about 1 o'clock position viewed from the
front, as opposed to the traditional 10 o'clock position. "
Great, so now I am looking to mount my prop, New Hartzell BA on a O360.
When I look at the prop flange, there is only one bolt that is not recessed.
When I look at me crank flange, there are two bolts at 3 and 9 that will
accept the unrecessed bolt. That means that I can put the prop at 3 or 9
(same orientation) but no place else. The TC mark on my flywheel is at 1
o'clock and I don't see any way to clock anything given these two flanges?
Take a look.
<<...>> <<...>>
Am I missing something? Is there just one way to put the prop on this
puppy?
Help appreciated.
Bill S
7a Ark sorta finishing
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| Subject: | Re: wheel chocks |
Dave,
You're only going to use a 4" to 6" section, and there are so many holes
already cut into it, it couldn't be lighter. The whole 48"x1 1/2"x 1
1/2" piece doesn't weigh more than 3lbs, if that much. Try it-it's
cheap. A spray can of Rustoleum Florescent Bright Yellow would be good.
Very noticeable.
Mike H 9A/8A
----- Original Message -----
From: Konrad L. Werner
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:20 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: wheel chocks
I think I know which one's you are talking about, but wouldn't this
galvanized angle stock be way heavy???
----- Original Message -----
From: mike humphrey
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2008 8:05 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: wheel chocks
<mike109g6@insideconnect.net>
Dave,
Go to your local Lowe's aviation store. In the metals stock dept.
there is
some galvanized angle stock with oval holes vertically and
horizontally cut
into it. Stock is used for garage door hangers. Strong, durable,
cut to
whatever length that you want them, paint/powder coat to any color
that you
want, drill a hole in them for a nylon rope to tie them together.
About $4
for a 48" section. Easily can make 2 or 3 sets for you and your
buddies-nice present. Same stuff that you see for sale on various
sites for
$25/set. Did I mention that they will fit under the wheel pants?
Mike H 9A/8A
----- Original Message -----
From: "Bayne" <bjust@cox.net>
To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 10:02 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: wheel chocks
>
> Hi David,
>
> I use the Koger wheel chocks on my RV-9A, they do the job.
>
> http://home.hiwaay.net/~sbuc/journal/koger-chocks.htm
>
> Bayne
> RV-9A N910BJ
> KSEE Gillespie Field
> San Diego
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: <davidbf@centurytel.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Friday, February 29, 2008 6:45 AM
> Subject: RV-List: wheel chocks
>
>
>>
>> I'm wondering what RVers are doing for wheel chocks when parking
on a
>> ramp. At
>> some of the airports I've flown to, one in particular I'm met
with a line
>> guy
>> wanting to kick the thick yellow chocks into my wheelpants, but
>> eventually
>> brings it back to the tailwheel. I've seen some plastic wedges
>> advertised
>> along with metal angle, but wondered if anyone's found the item
to be the
>> ideal
>> thing for the RV.
>>
>>
>> Dave Ford
>> Cadillac, MI
>> RV6 flying 250 hrs
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> 8:18 AM
>>
>>
>
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| Subject: | Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV-List Frequently Asked Questions (FAQ) below. The
complete RV-List FAQ including the Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
[ Note: This FAQ was designed to be displayed with a fixed width font such as
Courier. Proportional fonts will cause display formatting errors. ]
This FAQ can also be viewed in HTML online at the following address:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
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******* LIST POLICIES AND FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS *******
************************************************************
PLEASE READ. This document contains RV-List policies and information
for new and old subscribers. Understanding the RV-List policies will
minimize problems for the Administrator, and will help keep the RV-List
running smoothly for all of us.
******************************************
*** Quick Start Guide to List Features ***
******************************************
There are many features available on the Matronics Email Lists and each
one is described in detailed below. However, using the List Navigator
you can quickly access the complete set of features available for this
List. The List Navigator can be found at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List
****************************************
*** How to Subscribe and Unsubscribe ***
****************************************
Simply go to the Web Page shown below and enter your email address and
select the List(s) that you wish to subscribe or unsubscribed from. You
may also use the handy "Find" function to determine the exact syntax of
your email address as it is subscribed to the List. Please see the
complete instructions at the top of the Web Page for more information.
The Subscribe/Unsubscribe web page is:
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you will receive TWO conformation emails regarding your subsciption
process. The first verifies that your subscription/unsubsciption request
was received, and the second confirms that the process has been completed.
You should receive the first email within a few minutes of your request.
The second conformation will arrive in less than 24 hours. You cannot post
until you receive the second conformation email message.
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*** How to Post a Message ***
*****************************
Send an email message to:
rv-list@matronics.com
Your message will be redistributed to everyone currently subscribed
to the List.
*****************************************************
*** SPAM Fighter - You Must be Subscribed to Post ***
*****************************************************
When a new post is received by the system, the From: line of the message
is checked and compared against the current subscription list. If the
email address is found, the message is passed on to the List Processor.
If the email address isn't found in the current list of subscribers, it
is dumped. This serves to very effectively thwart 99% of the SPAM that
gets posted to the Lists.
Remember, however, that the syntax of your email address is very important
with regard to the configuration of your email application such as Outlook
or Eudora. For example, the following two email addresses may be
functionally equivalent, but only one would pass the Matronics Email SPAM
test depending on which was syntax was subscribed to the given List:
smith@machine.domain.com
smith@domain.com
Either email address syntax is alright, just be sure that you configure
your email application to match *exactly* the address you've subscibed to
the List.
**************************************
*** Enclosure Support on the Lists ***
**************************************
Limited posting of enclosures such as pictures, documents, and spreadsheets
is supported on the Lists. There are a number of restrictions, and these
are detailed below. Please abide by the rules put forth regarding the
content of enclosures.
These are some of the features and limits of enclosures on the Matronics
Lists:
1) Enclosures will only be posted to the Real Time version of the Lists.
2) Enclosures will NOT be included in the Daily Digest version of the Lists.
3) Enclosures WILL BE forwarded on to the BBS Forum Web site.
4) Enclosures will NOT be appended to the Archives.
5) Enclosures will NOT be available in the List Browse feature.
6) Only the following file types and extensions will be allowed:
bmp doc dwg dxf gif jpg pdf png txt xls
All other enclosures types will be rejected and email returned to
sender. The enclosure types listed above are relatively safe from
a virus standpoint and don't pose a particularly large security risk.
7) !! All incoming enclosures will be scanned for viruses prior to posting
to the List. This is done in real time and will not slow down
the process of posting the message !!
Here are some rules for posting enclosures. Failure to abide by these rules
could result in the removal of a subscriber's email address from the Lists.
1) Pay attention to what you are posting!! Make sure that the files
you are enclosing aren't HUGE (greater that 1MB). Remember that there
are still people checking they're email via dial up modem. If you post
30MB worth of pictures, you are placing an unnecessary burden on these
folks and the rest of us, for that matter.
2) SCALE YOUR PICTURES DOWN!!! I don't want to see huge 3000 x 2000
pictures getting posted that are 3 or 4MB each. This is just
unacceptable. Use a program such as Photoshop to scale the picture
down to something on the order of 800 x 600 and try to keep the
file size to less-than 200KB, preferably much less.
Microsoft has a really awesome utility available for free that allows
you to Right-Click on a picture in Explorer and automatically
scale it down and resave it. This is a great utility - get it, use it!
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/downloads/powertoys/xppowertoys.mspx
Look for the link "Image Resizer"
3) !! This would seem to go without saying, but I'll say it anyway. Do not
post anything that would be considered offensive by your grandmother.
And you know what I'm saying; I don't want to see anything even
questionable. !!
4) REMEMBER THIS: If you post a 1MB enclosure to a List with 1000 members
subscribed, your 1MB enclosure must be resent 1000 times amounting
to 1MB X 1000 = 1 Gigabyte of network traffic!! BE CAREFUL and
BE COURTEOUS!
Also see the section below on the Matronics Photo and File Share where
you can have your files and photos posted on the Matronics web server
for long time viewing and availability.
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*** Digest Mode ***
*******************
Each day, starting at 12 midnight PST US, a new 'digest' will be started.
This digest will contain the same information that is currently appended
to the archive file. It has all of the headers except for the "From:"
and "Subject:" lines removed, and includes a message separator consisting
of a line of underscores.
Each day at 23:55 PST US, the day's messages as described above will be
combined and sent as a single message to everyone on the digest email list.
To subscribe to the digest list, use the same subscription web form
described above, and just select the Digest version of the List.
http://www.matronics.com/subscribe
Note that you *can* be subscribed to both the realtime and digest versions
of the List at the same time. This is perfectly acceptable.
Now some caveats:
* Messages sent to "rv-list-digest" will be forwarded to the standard
email list. In other words, you cannot post messages only to the
digest List.
* If you are subscribed to both the regular List and the digest List, you
will receive the realtime postings as well as the digest at the end of
the day.
* If you reply to the digest email, your message will be forwarded to the
normal list associated with the digest. Important Note: Please change
the subject line to reflect the topic of your response! Also, please
*do not include all or most of the digest in your reply*.
****************************
*** List Digest Browser ***
****************************
An archive of all the List Digests can be found online in either plain text
or HTML format. These archives contain the exact Digest that was posted to
the Digest email list on the given day. The Digest Archives can be found
at the following location:
http://www.matronics.com/digest
*****************************************
*** The "DO NOT ARCHIVE" Message Flag ***
*****************************************
At times, your message may concern something that is revelent only to a very
small number of persons or to a limited area, and you may not wish to archive
it. In such a case, simply put the following phrase anywhere in the
message:
do not archive
Your message will not be appended to the archive, but will be sent to List
email distribution as normal.
**********************************************
***** READ THIS - Automatic Unsubscribes *****
**********************************************
Note that if your email address begins to cause problems such as bounced
email, mailbox is filled, or any other errors, your address will be promptly
removed from the List. If you discover that you are no longer receiving
messages from the RV-List, go to the following Web page, and look
for your email address and a possible reason for your removal.
The Matronics Email List uses utility called the "Email Weasel" that
automatically looks though the day's bounced email for addresses that
caused problems due to common things like "user is unknown", "mailbox
full", etc. If the Email Weasel removes your email address from the
Lists you will find record of it at the following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/unsubscribed
If the problem listed on the web site above has been resolved, please feel
free to resubscribe to the Lists of your choice.
*******************************
*** List Member Information ***
*******************************
If you have not done so already, please email me your phone numbers and
paper mail address in the following format:
smith@somehost.com
Joe Smith
123 Airport Lane
Tower, CA 91234-1234
098-765-1234 w
123-456-7890 h
Please forward this information to the following email address:
requests@matronics.com
I have a file of such things, that I typically use to contact you when
there are problems with your email address. The information will NOT
be used for any other commercial purpose.
****************************************
*** Realtime Web Email List Browsing ***
****************************************
Recent messages posted to the RV-List are also made available on
the Web for realtime browsing. Seven days worth of back postings are
available with this feature. The messages can be sorted by Subject,
Author, Date, or Message Thread. The Realtime List Browser indexes are
updated twice per hour at xx:15 and xx:45. You can also reply to a message
or start a new message directly from the List Browser Interface (coming soon).
You do not have to be subscribed to the given list to use the List
Browser Interface in view-mode.
http://www.matronics.com/browselist/rv-list
*******************************************
*** Web Forums Bulletin Board Interface ***
*******************************************
A phpBB BBS web Forums front end is available for all RV-List content.
content. The Forums contain all of the same content available via the email
distribution and found on the various archive viewing formats such as the
List Browse, etc. Any posts on the web Forums will be cross posted to the
respective email List, and posts to the Email List will be cross posted to
the web Forums.
You may view all List content on the Forums without any special login.
If you wish to post a message via the Web Forum interface, however, you
will need to Register. This is a simple process that takes only a few
minutes. A link to the Registration page can be found at the top of the
main web Forums page. Note that registering on the Forum web site also
enables you to send email posts to the Lists as well. You will also need to
Subscribe to the respective Email List as described above to receive the
Email Distribution of the List, however.
The Matroincs Email List Web BBS Forums can be found at the following URL:
http://forums.matronics.com
*********************************
*** Matronics Email List Wiki ***
*********************************
In an attempt to make it easy to store and find structured and often accessed
information, Matronics has installed a Wiki at:
http://wiki.matronics.com
The Wiki allows individuals to create web pages to contain useful information
for other users of the mailing lists and web site. Unlike an ordinary web page
where the content needs to be submitted to Matronics for inclusion, the Wiki
permits the users to construct their own pages and have them visible immediately.
While constructing pages for the Wiki is not difficult, some may not be
comfortable building pages. In that case, simply prepare the text and any
images and email it to:
wiki-support@matronics.com
One of the volunteers on that list will take your submission and construct
a Wiki page for you.
Often someone produces a particularly useful posting in email one one of the
Lists that would be of general interest. In that case Matronics may take that
post and convert it into a Wiki page.
*********************
*** List Archives ***
*********************
A file containing of all of the previous postings to the RV-List is
available on line. The archive file information is available via the
Web and FTP in a number of forms. Each are briefly described below:
* RV-List.FAQ
- Latest version of the RV-List Frequently Asked Question
page (this document).
* RV-Archive.digest.complete
- Complete file with most of the email header info removed and
page breaks inserted between messages.
* RV-Archive.digest.vol-??
- Same as the file above, but broken up into small sections that
can more easily handled.
* RV-Archive.digest.complete.zip
- Same as the RV-Archive.digest.complete file above, but
in PKZIP format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
* RV-Archive.digest.complete.Z
- Same as the RV-Archive.digest.complete file above, but in
UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
----------------
The archive file is available via anonymous FTP from ftp.matronics.com
in the "/pub/Archives" directory. It is updated daily and can be found in
a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
Download Via Web
----------------
The archives are also available via a web listing. These can be found
toward the bottom of the following web page:
http://www.matronics.com/archives
******************************************
*** Complete List Web Archive Browsing ***
******************************************
All messages posted to the RV-List are also available using the
Email List Archive Browsing feature. With this utility, all messages
in the List are indexed, and individual sub-archives can be browsed.
http://www.matronics.com/archive/archive-index.cgi?RV
*****************************************
**** High-Speed Archive Search Engine ***
*****************************************
You can use the custom, high-performance Matronics Email List Search Engine
to quickly locate and browse any messages that have been posted to the
List. The Engine allows the user to easily search any of the currently
available List archives.
http://www.matronics.com/search
****************************
*** File and Photo Share ***
****************************
With the Matronics Email List File and Photo Share you can share pictures
and other data with members of the List without having to forward a
copy of it to everyone. To share your Files and Photos, simply email
them to:
pictures@matronics.com
!! ==> Please including the following information with each submission:
1) Email Lists that they are related to.
2) Your Full Name.
3) Your Email Address.
4) One line Subject description.
5) Multi-line, multi-paragraph description of topic.
6-x) One-line Description of each photo or file
Prior to public availability of the files and photos, each will be scanned
for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
photos available on the web site is a pseudo-manual process, and I try to
process them every few days.
Following the availability of the new Photoshare, an email message will be
sent to the Email Lists enumerated in 1) above indicating that the new
Share is available and what the direct URL to it is.
For a current list of available Photoshares, have a look at the Main
Index Page:
http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
**************************
*** List Archive CDROM ***
**************************
A complete Matronics Email List Archive CD is available that contains
all of the archives since the beginning of each of the Lists. The archives
for all of the Lists are included on the CD along with a freeware search
engine written by a list member. The CD is burned the day you order it
and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
http://www.matronics.com/ArchiveCDROM
**********************************
*** List Support Contributions ***
**********************************
The Matronics Lists are run *completely* through the support of it members.
You won't find any PopUpAds, flashing Banner ads, or any other form of
annoying commercialism on either the Email Messages or the List web pages
associated with the Matronics Email Lists. Every year during November
I run a low-key, low-pressure "Fund Raiser" where, throughout the month,
I ask List members to make a Contribution in any amount with which they
are comfortable.
I will often offer free gifts with certain contribution levels during the
Fund Raiser to increase the participation. The gifts are usually donated
by companies that are themselves List members.
Your Contributions go directly to supporting the operation of the Lists
including the high-speed, business-class Internet connection, server
system hardware and software upgrades, and to partially offset the many
many hours I spend running, maintaining, upgrading, and developing the
variety of services found here.
Generally Contributions range from $20 to $100 and are completely voluntary
and non-compulsory. I ask only that if person enjoys the Lists and obtains
value from them, that they make a Contribution of equal magnitude.
Contributions are accepted throughout the year, and if you've just
subscribed, feel free to make a Contribution when you've settled in.
The website for making SSL Secure Contributions is listed below. There are
a variety of payment methods including Visa and MasterCard, PayPal, and
sending a personal check.
If you enjoy and value the List, won't you make a Contribution today to
support its continued operation?
http://www.matronics.com/contributions
Thank you!
Matt Dralle
Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
RV-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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| Subject: | Official RV-List Usage Guidelines |
Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
******************************************************************************
RV-List Usage Guidelines
******************************************************************************
The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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