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1. 04:56 AM - The great replys to flying Crazy Horse (Charles Heathco)
2. 05:06 AM - Re: Flying the P-51, crazy Horse (Glen Matejcek)
3. 05:23 AM - Re: The great replys to flying Crazy Horse (dougpflyrv@aol.com)
4. 05:28 AM - Re: Flying the P-51, crazy Horse (Gordon or Marge)
5. 05:28 AM - Re: LOG BOOKS (JFLEISC@aol.com)
6. 06:36 AM - Re: Flying the P-51, crazy Horse (Nuisance)
7. 07:43 AM - Re: Loose Taildragger Spring (tomvelvick)
8. 08:40 AM - Re: The great replys to flying Crazy Horse (scott bilinski)
9. 10:47 AM - ePanel Builder (Bill VonDane)
10. 10:47 AM - Re: Liquid cooling (Tedd McHenry)
11. 10:51 AM - Re: LOG BOOKS (Kelly McMullen)
12. 11:05 AM - Re: Nuclear Energy (Tedd McHenry)
13. 11:20 AM - Re: Garmin 296 (Leland Collins)
14. 12:04 PM - Re: Liquid cooling (Tedd McHenry)
15. 12:30 PM - Re: Re: Garmin 296 (Bill Boyd)
16. 12:50 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (scott bilinski)
17. 01:40 PM - Re: Flying the P-51, crazy Horse (FASTPILOTRV8@aol.com)
18. 02:44 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (JFLEISC@aol.com)
19. 03:16 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (Bruce Gray)
20. 05:08 PM - Re: Re: Honda Piston Engine (never happen) (Tedd McHenry)
21. 05:47 PM - Re: Re: Honda Piston Engine (never happen) (Tracy Crook)
22. 07:44 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (RICHARD MILLER)
23. 08:10 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (Bruce Gray)
24. 08:43 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (linn Walters)
25. 10:32 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (Bruce Gray)
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| Subject: | The great replys to flying Crazy Horse |
Thanks all for the thumbs up. Im going to do it, same reasoning i used
when I boute Tweety Bird, wheres the hard earned cash going when Im done
here. Thanks again, i will post when Ive done it, Charlie heathco
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the P-51, crazy Horse |
Well, I've never flown any fighter, nor have I slept in a holiday inn lately, but
my friend that does fly mustangs (and a wildcat and a sea fury) reports that
an RV-8 is more fun.
FWIW-
Glen Matejcek
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| Subject: | Re: The great replys to flying Crazy Horse |
GOOD DECISION CHARLIE. U WILL ENJOY. IT IS A BLAST!
DOUG PRESTON
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-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Heathco <cheathco@cox.net>
Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 6:52 am
Subject: RV-List: The great replys to flying Crazy Horse
Thanks all for the thumbs up. Im going to do it,
same reasoning i used when I boute Tweety Bird, wheres the hard earned cash
going when Im done here. Thanks again, i will post when Ive done it, Charlie
heathco
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| Subject: | Flying the P-51, crazy Horse |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Kraut
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 6:15 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying the P-51, crazy Horse
The latest Fly Past magazine says that Crazy Horse was repainted in
Goderich, Ontario recently and is now called "Mad Max". If any of you get to
see it, let us know.
Gordon Comfort
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In a message dated 3/20/2008 11:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rickpegser@yahoo.com writes:
AND A HARD LANDING THAT RESULTED IN THE REPLACEMENT OF THE MAIN LANDING GEAR
AND A REBUILD OF THE TAIL BOOM WAS NOT ENTERED.
I'm confused. If the hard landing was not entered and parts were replaced
where is the proof that this "landing" ever happened in the first place?
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the P-51, crazy Horse |
[quote="Charles Heathco"]Hey, anyone gone down to Fla and flown the P-51? anyone
considered it? I want to realy bad, but its a chunk of change. Whadda ya think/
We only live once, and Im closing fast on 70/ Charlie Heathco, do not archive
> [b]
Charlie, I did this several years ago, a 50th b-day present from my wonderful wife.
It was a great experience. True, it is high dollar, but Stallion 51 is a
class act all the way. Crazy Horse is a full dual control 51 with flaps and everything
in the back. I still have the video from the flight and play it once
in a while. He let me do the take off and landing (I have a lot of tailwheel time)
and also loops, rolls, stalls, hammerhead, low level bombing run (legal,
but it seems low at 300 kias). I will never forget it!
John
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| Subject: | Re: Loose Taildragger Spring |
Second Vinces comment about using a taper pin. Have known several tail draggers
with loose springs including mine. Taper Pins help solve that.
Regards,
Tom Velvick
N53KT RV4
RV6a engine work.
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| Subject: | Re: The great replys to flying Crazy Horse |
We will expect a full report!
Scott RV-8a
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From: "dougpflyrv@aol.com" <dougpflyrv@aol.com>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:19:35 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: The great replys to flying Crazy Horse
GOOD DECISION CHARLIE. U WILL ENJOY. IT IS A BLAST!
DOUG PRESTON
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-----Original Message-----
From: Charles Heathco <cheathco@cox.net>
Sent: Fri, 21 Mar 2008 6:52 am
Subject: RV-List: The great replys to flying Crazy Horse
Thanks all for the thumbs up. Im going to do it, same reasoning i used when I boute
Tweety Bird, wheres the hard earned cash going when Im done here. Thanks
again, i will post when Ive done it, Charlie heathco
Looking for last minute shopping deals?
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I have an immediate opening for someone who is looking for a reasonably
quick turn around an getting a panel built... I am also looking to have
a panel built that I can take with me to the Rocky Mountain Regional
Air-Show (end of June) and to Oshkosh to put on display...
If your in the market, drop me a line...
Thanks!
-Bil VonDane
ePanel Builder
www.epanelbuilder.com
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid cooling |
> The only advantage liquid cooling has is the capacity to provide a heat
> reservoir, to absorb it when too much is being generated, and to retain it
> when not enough is being generated.1
I'm quite surprised nobody challenged this yet! Liquid cooling provides many
more benefits than just transient heat absorption.
Perhaps the biggest is reduced hot spots in the combustion chamber. That
allows either a higher compression ratio or a more efficient combustion chamber
shape, or some combination of both. Combustion chamber shapes that have high
detonation resistance (such as wedge) typically produce poorer flame fronts,
less complete combustion, and greater head loss than othe shapes, but have the
advantage of high detonation resistance. By reducing hot spots, liquid cooling
allows a better trade off of these factors to produce more efficient
combustion.
Another huge advantage of liquid cooling is that, by limiting thermal
expansion, it allows tighter tolerances. Compare the piston-to-cylinder
clearance on a Lycoming to a typical, modern auto engine. These tighter
clearances greatly reduce wear, and can be exploited to also reduce internal
friction (by, for example, reducing piston ring tension). Limiting thermal
expansion also allows greater freedom in selecting materials.
There are numerous other advantages. For example, liquid cooling allows
smaller valve stems, resulting in lower intake and exhaust restriction. The
resulting lower valve mass allows the rest of the valvetrain to be lightened,
resulting in further savings in engine weight and internal friction. The
coolant can also be used for various ancillary functions, such as heating the
cockpit (without risk of CO poisening), and provides a handy mechanism for
pre-heating the engine in cold climates.
Finally, liquid cooling has the potential to reduce cooling drag, as
demonstrated in airplanes like the P-51 and the Mosquito. But that's difficult
to achieve if the airframe wasn't designed for liquid cooling from the start.
So the advantages of liquid cooling are legion. Of course, air cooling has
certain advantages, too, but those are already well known to most people on
this listserver.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC
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Common confusion. Logbooks are for recording what maintenance and
repairs are done, NOT for what prompted the repairs.
Who cares if a vertical stab is replaced because the plane was flipped,
or because owner wasn't satisfied with his early workmanship?
While you can generally guess based on what is repaired, there is no
reason for the incident to be mentioned with the repairs.
JFLEISC@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 3/20/2008 11:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rickpegser@yahoo.com writes:
>
> AND A HARD LANDING THAT RESULTED IN THE REPLACEMENT OF THE MAIN
> LANDING GEAR AND A REBUILD OF THE TAIL BOOM WAS NOT ENTERED.
>
> I'm confused. If the hard landing was not entered and parts were
> replaced where is the proof that this "landing" ever happened in the
> first place?
>
> Jim
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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| Subject: | Re: Nuclear Energy |
> After Chernobyl, the US party line was that 'nothing like that could
> ever happen here'.
As an engineer in the nuclear industry at the time, I have a good idea what the
"party line" was. The "party line" was that what happened at Chernobyl could
not happen to a PWR reactor of the kind used in the U.S. (and most of what was,
at the time, Western Europe). And that is true. The Chernobyl accident
occured, among other reasons, because of an effect called negative void
coefficient, which does not exist in U.S.- and European-style PWRs. (The other
reasons were mainly operational, and it's a very subjective judgement how
likely they are to happen at western plant.)
However, nobody in the industry ever claimed that accidents couldn't happen at
a western nuclear plant. Such a claim would have been absurd given that Three
Mile Island had already happened. The many reactor-centuries of experience
with PWRs suggests, though, that the odds of such accidents are fairly low.
But, as always, the failure of something to happen isn't proof that it can't.
Incidentally, negative void coefficient does exist in Canadian CANDU reactors
and certain reactors used in the UK. That is one reason that these reactors
use somewhat different safety systems than PWRs.
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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I've had the same problem with my 4-year old Garmin 296 being unable to lock onto satellites after loosing its internal date. I think its a dead battery problem because the battery looses about 20% of its charge overnight. I just ordered a new battery from www.batteriesamerica.com for $59 plus $11 shipping. Garmin supposedly now has the part number 010-10517-01 as a replacement for the original 011-00955-00 unit. The replacement part has a larger capacity rating. The replacement unit is the same for the 396 and 496.
Leland
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| Subject: | Re: Liquid cooling |
> less complete combustion, and greater head loss than othe shapes,
Sorry, that's "heat loss," not "head loss."
Tedd
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Leland- please let us know if this solves the problem. If it does, alot of
us will be ordering replacement batteries!
-Bill
On Fri, Mar 21, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Leland Collins <federigo@pacbell.net>
wrote:
>
> I've had the same problem with my 4-year old Garmin 296 being unable to
> lock onto satellites after loosing its internal date. I think its a dead
> battery problem because the battery looses about 20% of its charge
> overnight. I just ordered a new battery from www.batteriesamerica.com for
> $59 plus $11 shipping. Garmin supposedly now has the part number
> 010-10517-01 as a replacement for the original 011-00955-00 unit. The
> replacement part has a larger capacity rating. The replacement unit is the
> same for the 396 and 496.
> Leland
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=171523#171523
>
>
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Look up the N number in the NTSB data base.
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp
Scott RV-8a
----- Original Message ----
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:46:48 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
Common confusion. Logbooks are for recording what maintenance and
repairs are done, NOT for what prompted the repairs.
Who cares if a vertical stab is replaced because the plane was flipped,
or because owner wasn't satisfied with his early workmanship?
While you can generally guess based on what is repaired, there is no
reason for the incident to be mentioned with the repairs.
JFLEISC@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 3/20/2008 11:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rickpegser@yahoo.com writes:
>
> AND A HARD LANDING THAT RESULTED IN THE REPLACEMENT OF THE MAIN
> LANDING GEAR AND A REBUILD OF THE TAIL BOOM WAS NOT ENTERED.
>
> I'm confused. If the hard landing was not entered and parts were
> replaced where is the proof that this "landing" ever happened in the
> first place?
>
> Jim
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: Flying the P-51, crazy Horse |
Charlie
I have flown Crazy Horse. It was the best money I have ever spent. Lee
Lauderback gave me the stick at about 500 ft off the ground and he never asked
for it back. Lee coach me through loops, hammerheads, rolls etc. I had my
pilots license for a total of 1 hour on the hobbs when I found myself in Orlando
and had heard about Crazy Horse. I first said just the half hour ride, Lee
replied no problem if you change your mind just tell me. Well, after about 10
minutes I told him to make it the full hour I am only going to be once. A
short time later we headed into a MOA south of Kissimmee which was not hot so
they let us in and made it hot just for us. We were dancing in out of the
clouds and diving down on old MIGS sitting on an old runway, tank hunting about
100 ft make that 500 ft. off the ground at 250 kts and a bombing run on a
missile sight and then pulled straight up to vertical climb. We also did a
low pass over Kermit Weeks place Fantacy of Flight
I had a chance to fly the EAA's B-17 and tried to talk my buddy into going,
he said no I really can't go today. So I went without him. Well, you know
that was the last weekend of the B-17 Tour for the season and As it turns out
it was the last time you would be able get to sit in the left seat and fly
here. That winter our friends from the FAA said no more letting unqualified
pilots sit in the left seat and fly her. So now you can't ! ! !
My point is do it now before you can't! ! !
P. S. Lee Lauderback if the best instructor. Very calm talks you through
manuavers. I did not feel his hand on the stick until we were landing. ( I
have never landed a tail dragger before and had no clue what I was doing ,
remember I had just gotten my pilots licenses)
Now I fly the closest thing to a P-51 that I could afford, RV8a (still not
good at that tail dragger thing).
Dane
----- Original Message -----
From: _Charles Heathco_ (mailto:cheathco@cox.net)
Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2008 5:46 AM
Subject: RV-List: Flying the P-51, crazy Horse
Hey, anyone gone down to Fla and flown the P-51? anyone considered it? I
want to realy bad, but its a chunk of change. Whadda ya think/ We only live
once, and Im closing fast on 70/ Charlie Heathco, do not archive
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In a message dated 3/21/2008 3:53:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8a2001@yahoo.com writes:
Look up the N number in the NTSB data base
It only goes in if you report it. Even if you did it may not go in. I had a
forced landing from an engine self destruction. When I went to report it to
the FAA (back when I was naive) they weren't interested because it wasn't
certified. Funny thing too; my logbook didn't mention the rebuild and my A&P
didn't want to know either. He just checked that everything was working as it
should at the time of the annual safety inspection and signed it off as 'safe
for flight'. Go figure.
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As he should. The annual condition inspection is just that. The
condition of
the aircraft at the time of inspection, ONLY.
There's no AD search, damage history assessment, or anything else, just
"Is
it Safe now."
Bruce
www.Glasair.org <http://www.glasair.org/>
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JFLEISC@aol.com
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 5:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
In a message dated 3/21/2008 3:53:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
rv8a2001@yahoo.com writes:
Look up the N number in the NTSB data base
It only goes in if you report it. Even if you did it may not go in. I
had a
forced landing from an engine self destruction. When I went to report it
to
the FAA (back when I was naive) they weren't interested because it
wasn't
certified. Funny thing too; my logbook didn't mention the rebuild and my
A&P
didn't want to know either. He just checked that everything was working
as
it should at the time of the annual safety inspection and signed it off
as
'safe for flight'. Go figure.
do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: Honda Piston Engine (never happen) |
A couple of misconceptions need to be addresses here.
First, it's ridiculous to compare lifespan of car engines and airplane engines
in miles, since they're installed in different vehicles. You might as well try
to compare miles in an airplane to kWh in an APU. The only reasonable basis of
comparison is hours, but to do that you need to match the duty cycles.
Fortunately, information exists that will help us do that. Auto manufacturer
accelerated-life tests typically involve cycling between peak torque and peak
power for a period of around a thousand hours (the specifics vary from company
to company and from intended-use to intended-use). It's done that way to save
development time and dyno-time cost, and over the years manufactureres have
learned to correlate these accelerated tests to real-world conditions very
accurately. People who say auto engines aren't designed for the kind of duty
cycle seen in airplanes simply don't know what they're talking about. The
tests they are designed to pass are very much like the duty cycle in an
airplane. We can be very confident that the engine will have a lifespan at
least equal to the duration of the test if operated similarly, whether in an
aiplane, a boat, or a stationary application. (And assuming the installation
is properly designed.)
Of course, once there is enough field experience (as there is getting to be
with rotaries and Eggenfellners) it will become possible to have a more
accurate prediction of life expectancy. The preliminary evidence seems to
suggest that the "TBO" will be much higher than 1,000 hours. I've been told by
boat builders running Mazda rotaries that they go well over 3,000 hours, and
the duty cycle is similar to an airplane's.
I'm not anti-Lycoming by any stretch of the imagination. I plan to put one in
my RV (and I've already bought it). And I agree with Ed, Tracy, and other
alternative-engine advocates that an auto conversion -- especially a "roll your
own" -- is not the right way to go for most building. But, in their zeal to
critique auto engines or defend Lycomings, some people have made statements
that are incorrect or misleading.
As for Reno: 3,347 CI verses 1,710 CI -- duh!
Tedd McHenry
Surrey, BC, Canada
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| Subject: | Re: Honda Piston Engine (never happen) |
> As for Reno: 3,347 CI verses 1,710 CI -- duh!
>
> Tedd McHenry
> Surrey, BC, Canada
>
> I was wonder'n if sombody was gonna say that! <G>
Tracy Crook (RV-4 w/ 80 CI engine : )
OK, 160 CI for you SCCA rule guys out there.
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>
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14 CFR 91.417(a) requires that the maintenance record include the date of completion
of the work and the signature and certificate number of the person approving
the aircraft for return to service.
14 CFR 43.9(a)(4) requires that in addition to the name and certificate number
that the kind of certificate held by the person be specified.
this is for all log entries. so if you sign off an oil change with the entry
of 25hr no date changed oil and filter no signiture have . fun when you get the
ramp check. what i was trying to say the value of our airplane are direcrtly
related to the quality of the log books. this is especially true when the next
owner has to have an a+p do all of the sign offs.
after a long dicusiion with the local fsdo this morning if any log entry is incomplete
then it is as if it was never done. cost to repeat inspection 4000.00$
aircraft aquired from estate previous owner dead. i know every owner wants
to claim no damage history, this is a bs statement. every aircraft out there has
been damaged in some way so allow the log to reflect this and at prebuy inspection
we know where to look to see if the repairs where done right.
ps. when the repair estamate for the exec90 exceeded 30,000 without starting
the engine the owner decided to bail on the project. remember that as an owner
builder you can certify what ever you want. as an a+p/ia my living is on the
line. it will be right no mater the cost.
rick miller
Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
Common confusion. Logbooks are for recording what maintenance and
repairs are done, NOT for what prompted the repairs.
Who cares if a vertical stab is replaced because the plane was flipped,
or because owner wasn't satisfied with his early workmanship?
While you can generally guess based on what is repaired, there is no
reason for the incident to be mentioned with the repairs.
JFLEISC@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 3/20/2008 11:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rickpegser@yahoo.com writes:
>
> AND A HARD LANDING THAT RESULTED IN THE REPLACEMENT OF THE MAIN
> LANDING GEAR AND A REBUILD OF THE TAIL BOOM WAS NOT ENTERED.
>
> I'm confused. If the hard landing was not entered and parts were
> replaced where is the proof that this "landing" ever happened in the
> first place?
>
> Jim
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There are some that believe that all that needs logging is the Annual
Condition Inspection. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can work on an
experimental
between Annual Inspections, just how would my next door neighbor auto
mechanic sign my log after he fixed my engine?
Bruce
<http://www.glasair.org/> www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD MILLER
Sent: Friday, March 21, 2008 10:41 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
14 CFR =A791.417(a) requires that the maintenance record include the
date of
completion of the work and the signature and certificate number of the
person approving the aircraft for return to service.
14 CFR =A743.9(a)(4) requires that in addition to the name and
certificate
number that the kind of certificate held by the person be specified.
this is for all log entries. so if you sign off an oil change with the
entry
of 25hr no date changed oil and filter no signiture have . fun when you
get
the ramp check. what i was trying to say the value of our airplane are
direcrtly related to the quality of the log books. this is especially
true
when the next owner has to have an a+p do all of the sign offs.
after a long dicusiion with the local fsdo this morning if any log entry
is
incomplete then it is as if it was never done. cost to repeat inspection
4000.00$ aircraft aquired from estate previous owner dead. i know every
owner wants to claim no damage history, this is a bs statement. every
aircraft out there has been damaged in some way so allow the log to
reflect
this and at prebuy inspection we know where to look to see if the
repairs
where done right.
ps. when the repair estamate for the exec90 exceeded 30,000 without
starting
the engine the owner decided to bail on the project. remember that as an
owner builder you can certify what ever you want. as an a+p/ia my living
is
on the line. it will be right no mater the cost.
rick miller
Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com> wrote:
Common confusion. Logbooks are for recording what maintenance and
repairs are done, NOT for what prompted the repairs.
Who cares if a vertical stab is replaced because the plane was flipped,
or because owner wasn't satisfied with his early workmanship?
While you can generally guess based on what is repaired, there is no
reason for the incident to be mentioned with the repairs.
JFLEISC@aol.com wrote:
> In a message dated 3/20/2008 11:14:46 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> rickpegser@yahoo.com writes:
>
> AND A HARD LANDING THAT RESULTED IN THE REPLACEMENT OF THE MAIN
> LANDING GEAR AND A REBUILD OF THE TAIL BOOM WAS NOT ENTERED.
>
> I'm confused. If the hard landing was not entered and parts were
> replaced where is the proof that this "landing" ever happened in the
> first place?
>
> Jim
>
> do not archive
>
>
>
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Bruce Gray wrote:
> There are some that believe that all that needs logging is the Annual
> Condition Inspection. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can work on an
> experimental between Annual Inspections, just how would my next door
> neighbor auto mechanic sign my log after he fixed my engine?
That's easy!:
4/12/08 897 TT A/E Pulled #3 cylinder and replaced all rings, part
# RS-4531. Reassembled with new cylinder base gasket, part # BG-4983,
cylinder head gasket, part # HG-5982A, and pushrod tube gaskets PR-AX45
and BX-45. (signed) Joe Shmo (that's Bruce's neighbor) 654-32-5678
BTW, all the data is bogus, but you get the idea. Similar format when
doing any maintenance such as replacing tires, battery, oil change etc.
Of course, the entries go into the respective engine or airframe logs.
Oh yeah, you should have a prop log too!
Now you can be difficult and just keep notes on a lined pad instead of a
standard logbook and be legal ...... but explain that method of record
keeping to a prospective buyer.
Linn
>
>
>
> Bruce
>
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My eldest son, who is an A&P/IA got his ticket 17 years ago. When I saw
it,
it had his SSN as his license number. I made him turn it back in and get
one
with a random number instead. I doubt if my neighbor will give me his
SSN. I
sure won't give mine out.
Call me stupid, but I don't see where the FAR's require any log entries
for
experimentals except the condition inspection.
Bruce
<http://www.glasair.org/> www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
Bruce Gray wrote:
There are some that believe that all that needs logging is the Annual
Condition Inspection. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can work on an
experimental
between Annual Inspections, just how would my next door neighbor auto
mechanic sign my log after he fixed my engine?
That's easy!:
4/12/08 897 TT A/E Pulled #3 cylinder and replaced all rings, part
#
RS-4531. Reassembled with new cylinder base gasket, part # BG-4983,
cylinder head gasket, part # HG-5982A, and pushrod tube gaskets PR-AX45
and
BX-45. (signed) Joe Shmo (that's Bruce's neighbor) 654-32-5678
BTW, all the data is bogus, but you get the idea. Similar format when
doing
any maintenance such as replacing tires, battery, oil change etc. Of
course, the entries go into the respective engine or airframe logs. Oh
yeah, you should have a prop log too!
Now you can be difficult and just keep notes on a lined pad instead of a
standard logbook and be legal ...... but explain that method of record
keeping to a prospective buyer.
Linn
Bruce
<http://www.glasair.org/> www.Glasair.org
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