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1. 06:09 AM - flying wide open in turb. (Charles Heathco)
2. 07:05 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (Greg Young)
3. 09:23 AM - RV-9 tail kit for sale (John Harrison)
4. 10:05 AM - Re: LOG BOOKS (Chuck Jensen)
5. 11:38 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (Tracy Crook)
6. 04:40 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (Bret Smith)
7. 06:35 PM - LOG BOOKS entires, HOW TO. (RV6 Flyer)
8. 07:38 PM - Recommendation from R.C. (smirdrv@hotmail.com)
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| Subject: | flying wide open in turb. |
I was out yesterday checking on something (6a) and turb mod to above
moderate. I took her up to 180smh and she was kicking pretty hard. I
slowed her but I think she is built to take it better than I am, In my
Cherokee days, we were taught to keep at man spd in bad turb. I was
watching my g meter and it wasnt moving nuch. Whaddaya think? Charlie
heathco
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| Subject: | flying wide open in turb. |
The definition of maneuvering speed hasn't changed. It applies to RV's just
like any other aircraft. It's protection from the extremes so when to apply
it is still subjective.
Regards,
Greg Young
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Heathco
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:06 AM
Subject: RV-List: flying wide open in turb.
I was out yesterday checking on something (6a) and turb mod to above
moderate. I took her up to 180smh and she was kicking pretty hard. I slowed
her but I think she is built to take it better than I am, In my Cherokee
days, we were taught to keep at man spd in bad turb. I was watching my g
meter and it wasnt moving nuch. Whaddaya think? Charlie heathco
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| Subject: | RV-9 tail kit for sale |
For sale: RV9 tail kit with electric trim. I am located in a western suburb
of Chicago. I can't pack it so someone will have to be in driving distance.
I also bought the Cleaveland tool kit for RV's including a pneumatic
squeezer. The tools are barely used. $1200 for the tail kit and $2000 for
tools. More info: jharrison46atgmaildotcom
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My delete button is getting a workout deleting the e-mails that think
the emails should be deleted. Huh?
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Arnold
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
I have received 33 e-mails on this subject. There seems to be no bottom
line. Sure is giving my delete button a work out.
do not archive
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From: Mike <mailto:mrobert569@hotmail.com> Robertson
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
FAR 91, Subpart J for aircraft maintenance requires ALL maintenance be
entered in the aircraft records. You do NOT need to put your SSN as
long as you follow all the other parts of what constitutes a log entry
per FAR 43.9. This requirement for log entries is NOT one of the ones
not required for experimental aircraft.
And because there is NO requirement for the kinds of material used, you
can NEVER get in trouble for the entry you make, only for the entry you
DON'T make.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
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From: Bruce@glasair.org
Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
My eldest son, who is an A&P/IA got his ticket 17 years ago. When I saw
it, it had his SSN as his license number. I made him turn it back in and
get one with a random number instead. I doubt if my neighbor will give
me his SSN. I sure won't give mine out.
Call me stupid, but I don't see where the FAR's require any log entries
for experimentals except the condition inspection.
Bruce
<http://www.glasair.org/> www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:38 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
Bruce Gray wrote:
There are some that believe that all that needs logging is the Annual
Condition Inspection. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can work on an
experimental between Annual Inspections, just how would my next door
neighbor auto mechanic sign my log after he fixed my engine?
That's easy!:
4/12/08 897 TT A/E Pulled #3 cylinder and replaced all rings, part
# RS-4531. Reassembled with new cylinder base gasket, part # BG-4983,
cylinder head gasket, part # HG-5982A, and pushrod tube gaskets PR-AX45
and BX-45. (signed) Joe Shmo (that's Bruce's neighbor) 654-32-5678
BTW, all the data is bogus, but you get the idea. Similar format when
doing any maintenance such as replacing tires, battery, oil change etc.
Of course, the entries go into the respective engine or airframe logs.
Oh yeah, you should have a prop log too!
Now you can be difficult and just keep notes on a lined pad instead of a
standard logbook and be legal ...... but explain that method of record
keeping to a prospective buyer.
Linn
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| Subject: | Re: flying wide open in turb. |
I think that G-meter movement was well damped and may not have indicated the
true peak G-loads.
Tracy Crook
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Charles Heathco <cheathco@cox.net> wrote:
> I was out yesterday checking on something (6a) and turb mod to above
> moderate. I took her up to 180smh and she was kicking pretty hard. I slowed
> her but I think she is built to take it better than I am, In my Cherokee
> days, we were taught to keep at man spd in bad turb. I was watching my g
> meter and it wasnt moving nuch. Whaddaya think? Charlie heathco
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Thanks Chuck.
Personally, I am NOT an A&P/IA with 35 years of experience so I have
found this thread to be very educational. I wish someone would just
publish a booklet entitled " The Owner Built & Maintained Guide to
Proper Logbook Notation".
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Canopy"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: Chuck Jensen
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
My delete button is getting a workout deleting the e-mails that think
the emails should be deleted. Huh?
Chuck Jensen
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Arnold
Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:20 AM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
I have received 33 e-mails on this subject. There seems to be no
bottom line. Sure is giving my delete button a work out.
do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Robertson
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:10 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
FAR 91, Subpart J for aircraft maintenance requires ALL
maintenance be entered in the aircraft records. You do NOT need to put
your SSN as long as you follow all the other parts of what constitutes a
log entry per FAR 43.9. This requirement for log entries is NOT one of
the ones not required for experimental aircraft.
And because there is NO requirement for the kinds of material
used, you can NEVER get in trouble for the entry you make, only for the
entry you DON'T make.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
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From: Bruce@glasair.org
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:26:40 -0400
My eldest son, who is an A&P/IA got his ticket 17 years ago.
When I saw it, it had his SSN as his license number. I made him turn it
back in and get one with a random number instead. I doubt if my neighbor
will give me his SSN. I sure won't give mine out.
Call me stupid, but I don't see where the FAR's require any log
entries for experimentals except the condition inspection.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:38 AM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
Bruce Gray wrote:
There are some that believe that all that needs logging is
the Annual Condition Inspection. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can work on an
experimental between Annual Inspections, just how would my next door
neighbor auto mechanic sign my log after he fixed my engine?
That's easy!:
4/12/08 897 TT A/E Pulled #3 cylinder and replaced all
rings, part # RS-4531. Reassembled with new cylinder base gasket, part
# BG-4983, cylinder head gasket, part # HG-5982A, and pushrod tube
gaskets PR-AX45 and BX-45. (signed) Joe Shmo (that's Bruce's neighbor)
654-32-5678
BTW, all the data is bogus, but you get the idea. Similar
format when doing any maintenance such as replacing tires, battery, oil
change etc. Of course, the entries go into the respective engine or
airframe logs. Oh yeah, you should have a prop log too!
Now you can be difficult and just keep notes on a lined pad
instead of a standard logbook and be legal ...... but explain that
method of record keeping to a prospective buyer.
Linn
Bruce
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| Subject: | LOG BOOKS entires, HOW TO. |
If anyone has a LINK of SAMPLE logbook entires, please post it.
I remember seeing an FAA handout at an A&P safety meeting but cannot find it.
Would be a good project for me or someone to create a web page that has many samples.
I would do it if I had the time.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
2,084 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
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> From: smithhb@tds.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:08:03 -0400
>
> Thanks Chuck.
>
> Personally, I am NOT an A&P/IA with 35 years of experience so I have found this
thread to be very educational. I wish someone would just publish a booklet
entitled " The Owner Built & Maintained Guide to Proper Logbook Notation".
>
> Bret Smith
> RV-9A "Canopy"
> Blue Ridge, GA
> www.FlightInnovations.com
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| Subject: | Recommendation from R.C. |
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