---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 03/24/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:09 AM - flying wide open in turb. (Charles Heathco) 2. 07:05 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (Greg Young) 3. 09:23 AM - RV-9 tail kit for sale (John Harrison) 4. 10:05 AM - Re: LOG BOOKS (Chuck Jensen) 5. 11:38 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (Tracy Crook) 6. 04:40 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (Bret Smith) 7. 06:35 PM - LOG BOOKS entires, HOW TO. (RV6 Flyer) 8. 07:38 PM - Recommendation from R.C. (smirdrv@hotmail.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:25 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: RV-List: flying wide open in turb. I was out yesterday checking on something (6a) and turb mod to above moderate. I took her up to 180smh and she was kicking pretty hard. I slowed her but I think she is built to take it better than I am, In my Cherokee days, we were taught to keep at man spd in bad turb. I was watching my g meter and it wasnt moving nuch. Whaddaya think? Charlie heathco ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:05:25 AM PST US From: "Greg Young" Subject: RE: RV-List: flying wide open in turb. The definition of maneuvering speed hasn't changed. It applies to RV's just like any other aircraft. It's protection from the extremes so when to apply it is still subjective. Regards, Greg Young _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Heathco Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:06 AM Subject: RV-List: flying wide open in turb. I was out yesterday checking on something (6a) and turb mod to above moderate. I took her up to 180smh and she was kicking pretty hard. I slowed her but I think she is built to take it better than I am, In my Cherokee days, we were taught to keep at man spd in bad turb. I was watching my g meter and it wasnt moving nuch. Whaddaya think? Charlie heathco ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:23:32 AM PST US From: "John Harrison" Subject: RV-List: RV-9 tail kit for sale For sale: RV9 tail kit with electric trim. I am located in a western suburb of Chicago. I can't pack it so someone will have to be in driving distance. I also bought the Cleaveland tool kit for RV's including a pneumatic squeezer. The tools are barely used. $1200 for the tail kit and $2000 for tools. More info: jharrison46atgmaildotcom * * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 10:05:52 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS From: "Chuck Jensen" My delete button is getting a workout deleting the e-mails that think the emails should be deleted. Huh? Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Arnold Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:20 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS I have received 33 e-mails on this subject. There seems to be no bottom line. Sure is giving my delete button a work out. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Robertson Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS FAR 91, Subpart J for aircraft maintenance requires ALL maintenance be entered in the aircraft records. You do NOT need to put your SSN as long as you follow all the other parts of what constitutes a log entry per FAR 43.9. This requirement for log entries is NOT one of the ones not required for experimental aircraft. And because there is NO requirement for the kinds of material used, you can NEVER get in trouble for the entry you make, only for the entry you DON'T make. Mike Robertson Das Fed _____ From: Bruce@glasair.org Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS My eldest son, who is an A&P/IA got his ticket 17 years ago. When I saw it, it had his SSN as his license number. I made him turn it back in and get one with a random number instead. I doubt if my neighbor will give me his SSN. I sure won't give mine out. Call me stupid, but I don't see where the FAR's require any log entries for experimentals except the condition inspection. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:38 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS Bruce Gray wrote: There are some that believe that all that needs logging is the Annual Condition Inspection. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can work on an experimental between Annual Inspections, just how would my next door neighbor auto mechanic sign my log after he fixed my engine? That's easy!: 4/12/08 897 TT A/E Pulled #3 cylinder and replaced all rings, part # RS-4531. Reassembled with new cylinder base gasket, part # BG-4983, cylinder head gasket, part # HG-5982A, and pushrod tube gaskets PR-AX45 and BX-45. (signed) Joe Shmo (that's Bruce's neighbor) 654-32-5678 BTW, all the data is bogus, but you get the idea. Similar format when doing any maintenance such as replacing tires, battery, oil change etc. Of course, the entries go into the respective engine or airframe logs. Oh yeah, you should have a prop log too! Now you can be difficult and just keep notes on a lined pad instead of a standard logbook and be legal ...... but explain that method of record keeping to a prospective buyer. Linn Bruce www.Glasair.org href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c t=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:08 AM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: flying wide open in turb. I think that G-meter movement was well damped and may not have indicated the true peak G-loads. Tracy Crook On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Charles Heathco wrote: > I was out yesterday checking on something (6a) and turb mod to above > moderate. I took her up to 180smh and she was kicking pretty hard. I slowed > her but I think she is built to take it better than I am, In my Cherokee > days, we were taught to keep at man spd in bad turb. I was watching my g > meter and it wasnt moving nuch. Whaddaya think? Charlie heathco > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 04:40:18 PM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS Thanks Chuck. Personally, I am NOT an A&P/IA with 35 years of experience so I have found this thread to be very educational. I wish someone would just publish a booklet entitled " The Owner Built & Maintained Guide to Proper Logbook Notation". Bret Smith RV-9A "Canopy" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Chuck Jensen To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:59 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS My delete button is getting a workout deleting the e-mails that think the emails should be deleted. Huh? Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Arnold Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:20 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS I have received 33 e-mails on this subject. There seems to be no bottom line. Sure is giving my delete button a work out. do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Robertson To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:10 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS FAR 91, Subpart J for aircraft maintenance requires ALL maintenance be entered in the aircraft records. You do NOT need to put your SSN as long as you follow all the other parts of what constitutes a log entry per FAR 43.9. This requirement for log entries is NOT one of the ones not required for experimental aircraft. And because there is NO requirement for the kinds of material used, you can NEVER get in trouble for the entry you make, only for the entry you DON'T make. Mike Robertson Das Fed ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: Bruce@glasair.org To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:26:40 -0400 My eldest son, who is an A&P/IA got his ticket 17 years ago. When I saw it, it had his SSN as his license number. I made him turn it back in and get one with a random number instead. I doubt if my neighbor will give me his SSN. I sure won't give mine out. Call me stupid, but I don't see where the FAR's require any log entries for experimentals except the condition inspection. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:38 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS Bruce Gray wrote: There are some that believe that all that needs logging is the Annual Condition Inspection. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can work on an experimental between Annual Inspections, just how would my next door neighbor auto mechanic sign my log after he fixed my engine? That's easy!: 4/12/08 897 TT A/E Pulled #3 cylinder and replaced all rings, part # RS-4531. Reassembled with new cylinder base gasket, part # BG-4983, cylinder head gasket, part # HG-5982A, and pushrod tube gaskets PR-AX45 and BX-45. (signed) Joe Shmo (that's Bruce's neighbor) 654-32-5678 BTW, all the data is bogus, but you get the idea. Similar format when doing any maintenance such as replacing tires, battery, oil change etc. Of course, the entries go into the respective engine or airframe logs. Oh yeah, you should have a prop log too! Now you can be difficult and just keep notes on a lined pad instead of a standard logbook and be legal ...... but explain that method of record keeping to a prospective buyer. Linn Bruce www.Glasair.org href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c t=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List p://forums.matronics.com blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------- - In a rush? Get real-time answers with Windows Live Messenger. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:35:23 PM PST US From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RV-List: LOG BOOKS entires, HOW TO. If anyone has a LINK of SAMPLE logbook entires, please post it. I remember seeing an FAA handout at an A&P safety meeting but cannot find it. Would be a good project for me or someone to create a web page that has many samples. I would do it if I had the time. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell, 2,084 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA ________________________________ > From: smithhb@tds.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:08:03 -0400 > > Thanks Chuck. > > Personally, I am NOT an A&P/IA with 35 years of experience so I have found this thread to be very educational. I wish someone would just publish a booklet entitled " The Owner Built & Maintained Guide to Proper Logbook Notation". > > Bret Smith > RV-9A "Canopy" > Blue Ridge, GA > www.FlightInnovations.com _________________________________________________________________ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. Learn more. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 07:38:33 PM PST US From: smirdrv@hotmail.com Subject: RV-List: Recommendation from R.C. 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