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1. 02:45 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb.flying wide open in turb. (Russell Daves)
2. 03:53 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (Michael W Stewart)
3. 06:49 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/24/08 (Randy)
4. 07:42 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (Steven Reynard)
5. 07:42 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (Steven Reynard)
6. 07:55 AM - Re: Log book entries (glen matejcek)
7. 10:48 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (Michael W Stewart)
8. 01:15 PM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (scott bilinski)
9. 07:07 PM - Re: flying wide open in turb.flying wide open in turb. (jhnstniii@aol.com)
10. 10:43 PM - Re: Re: Log book entries (RICHARD MILLER)
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| Subject: | Re: flying wide open in turb.flying wide open in turb. |
This article is a prime example of the effect of flying at near top
speed into wake turbulence:
http://www.aopa.org/asf/epilot_acc/chi06fa154.html
Russ Daves
N710RV - Flying RV-10
N65RV - Sold RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: flying wide open in turb. |
<snip>
"Whaddaya think?"
<snip>
About what Charlie? What would you like us to comment on? Your broken
G-meter? Whether or not you should remove the wings and inspect? What w
ould
you like to know or for us to comment on?
Mike
do not archive
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RV-List: flying wide open in tur
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I was out yesterday checking on something (6a) and turb mod to above
moderate. I took her up to 180smh and she was kicking pretty hard. I sl
owed
her but I think she is built to take it better than I am, In my Cheroke
e
days, we were taught to keep at man spd in bad turb. I was watching my
g
meter and it wasnt moving nuch. Whaddaya think? Charlie heathco
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| Subject: | Re: RV-List Digest: 8 Msgs - 03/24/08 |
In my 60 hrs in my new RV-7, I have found the RV to be about the roughest
ride of all of the various GA planes that I have flown. On the other hand
if you can take it, the plane sure can. The stiff construction of the RV
allows a pretty bumpy ride. I find myself slowing down when the turbulence
is bad just for comfort and I don't have to tighten the seat belt as much to
keep my head from hitting the canopy. I do love it in crosswing landings
though as I usually make full stall landings, once it touches, it is through
flying and you have the solid directional control via the rudder, tailwheel
and brakes if you need them.
Randy Utsey
RV-7 / N55CU
Charlotte, N.C.
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> 1. 06:09 AM - flying wide open in turb. (Charles Heathco)
> 2. 07:05 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (Greg Young)
> 3. 09:23 AM - RV-9 tail kit for sale (John Harrison)
> 4. 10:05 AM - Re: LOG BOOKS (Chuck Jensen)
> 5. 11:38 AM - Re: flying wide open in turb. (Tracy Crook)
> 6. 04:40 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (Bret Smith)
> 7. 06:35 PM - LOG BOOKS entires, HOW TO. (RV6 Flyer)
> 8. 07:38 PM - Recommendation from R.C. (smirdrv@hotmail.com)
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> _____________________________________
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> Time: 06:09:25 AM PST US
> From: "Charles Heathco" <cheathco@cox.net>
> Subject: RV-List: flying wide open in turb.
>
> I was out yesterday checking on something (6a) and turb mod to above
> moderate. I took her up to 180smh and she was kicking pretty hard. I
> slowed her but I think she is built to take it better than I am, In my
> Cherokee days, we were taught to keep at man spd in bad turb. I was
> watching my g meter and it wasnt moving nuch. Whaddaya think? Charlie
> heathco
>
> ________________________________ Message 2
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 07:05:25 AM PST US
> From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: flying wide open in turb.
>
> The definition of maneuvering speed hasn't changed. It applies to RV's
> just
> like any other aircraft. It's protection from the extremes so when to
> apply
> it is still subjective.
>
> Regards,
> Greg Young
>
>
> _____
>
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Charles Heathco
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 8:06 AM
> Subject: RV-List: flying wide open in turb.
>
>
> I was out yesterday checking on something (6a) and turb mod to above
> moderate. I took her up to 180smh and she was kicking pretty hard. I
> slowed
> her but I think she is built to take it better than I am, In my Cherokee
> days, we were taught to keep at man spd in bad turb. I was watching my g
> meter and it wasnt moving nuch. Whaddaya think? Charlie heathco
>
>
> ________________________________ Message 3
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 09:23:32 AM PST US
> From: "John Harrison" <jharrison46@gmail.com>
> Subject: RV-List: RV-9 tail kit for sale
>
> For sale: RV9 tail kit with electric trim. I am located in a western
> suburb
> of Chicago. I can't pack it so someone will have to be in driving
> distance.
> I also bought the Cleaveland tool kit for RV's including a pneumatic
> squeezer. The tools are barely used. $1200 for the tail kit and $2000 for
> tools. More info: jharrison46atgmaildotcom
>
> *
> *
>
> ________________________________ Message 4
> _____________________________________
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>
> Time: 10:05:52 AM PST US
> Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
> From: "Chuck Jensen" <cjensen@dts9000.com>
>
> My delete button is getting a workout deleting the e-mails that think
> the emails should be deleted. Huh?
>
>
> Chuck Jensen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Arnold
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:20 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
>
>
> I have received 33 e-mails on this subject. There seems to be no bottom
> line. Sure is giving my delete button a work out.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike <mailto:mrobert569@hotmail.com> Robertson
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:10 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
>
> FAR 91, Subpart J for aircraft maintenance requires ALL maintenance be
> entered in the aircraft records. You do NOT need to put your SSN as
> long as you follow all the other parts of what constitutes a log entry
> per FAR 43.9. This requirement for log entries is NOT one of the ones
> not required for experimental aircraft.
> And because there is NO requirement for the kinds of material used, you
> can NEVER get in trouble for the entry you make, only for the entry you
> DON'T make.
>
> Mike Robertson
> Das Fed
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Bruce@glasair.org
> Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
>
>
> My eldest son, who is an A&P/IA got his ticket 17 years ago. When I saw
> it, it had his SSN as his license number. I made him turn it back in and
> get one with a random number instead. I doubt if my neighbor will give
> me his SSN. I sure won't give mine out.
>
>
> Call me stupid, but I don't see where the FAR's require any log entries
> for experimentals except the condition inspection.
>
> Bruce
>
> <http://www.glasair.org/> www.Glasair.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:38 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
>
>
> Bruce Gray wrote:
>
>
> There are some that believe that all that needs logging is the Annual
> Condition Inspection. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can work on an
> experimental between Annual Inspections, just how would my next door
> neighbor auto mechanic sign my log after he fixed my engine?
>
>
> That's easy!:
>
> 4/12/08 897 TT A/E Pulled #3 cylinder and replaced all rings, part
> # RS-4531. Reassembled with new cylinder base gasket, part # BG-4983,
> cylinder head gasket, part # HG-5982A, and pushrod tube gaskets PR-AX45
> and BX-45. (signed) Joe Shmo (that's Bruce's neighbor) 654-32-5678
>
>
> BTW, all the data is bogus, but you get the idea. Similar format when
> doing any maintenance such as replacing tires, battery, oil change etc.
> Of course, the entries go into the respective engine or airframe logs.
> Oh yeah, you should have a prop log too!
>
> Now you can be difficult and just keep notes on a lined pad instead of a
> standard logbook and be legal ...... but explain that method of record
> keeping to a prospective buyer.
>
> Linn
>
>
> Bruce
>
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> Time: 11:38:08 AM PST US
> From: "Tracy Crook" <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: flying wide open in turb.
>
> I think that G-meter movement was well damped and may not have indicated
> the
> true peak G-loads.
>
> Tracy Crook
>
> On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 9:05 AM, Charles Heathco <cheathco@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> I was out yesterday checking on something (6a) and turb mod to above
>> moderate. I took her up to 180smh and she was kicking pretty hard. I
>> slowed
>> her but I think she is built to take it better than I am, In my Cherokee
>> days, we were taught to keep at man spd in bad turb. I was watching my g
>> meter and it wasnt moving nuch. Whaddaya think? Charlie heathco
>>
>> *
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>
> ________________________________ Message 6
> _____________________________________
>
>
> Time: 04:40:18 PM PST US
> From: "Bret Smith" <smithhb@tds.net>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
>
> Thanks Chuck.
>
> Personally, I am NOT an A&P/IA with 35 years of experience so I have
> found this thread to be very educational. I wish someone would just
> publish a booklet entitled " The Owner Built & Maintained Guide to
> Proper Logbook Notation".
>
> Bret Smith
> RV-9A "Canopy"
> Blue Ridge, GA
> www.FlightInnovations.com
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Chuck Jensen
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Monday, March 24, 2008 12:59 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
>
>
> My delete button is getting a workout deleting the e-mails that think
> the emails should be deleted. Huh?
>
> Chuck Jensen
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ken Arnold
> Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2008 10:20 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
>
>
> I have received 33 e-mails on this subject. There seems to be no
> bottom line. Sure is giving my delete button a work out.
>
> do not archive
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Mike Robertson
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 10:10 PM
> Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
>
>
> FAR 91, Subpart J for aircraft maintenance requires ALL
> maintenance be entered in the aircraft records. You do NOT need to put
> your SSN as long as you follow all the other parts of what constitutes a
> log entry per FAR 43.9. This requirement for log entries is NOT one of
> the ones not required for experimental aircraft.
> And because there is NO requirement for the kinds of material
> used, you can NEVER get in trouble for the entry you make, only for the
> entry you DON'T make.
>
> Mike Robertson
> Das Fed
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> From: Bruce@glasair.org
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
> Date: Sat, 22 Mar 2008 01:26:40 -0400
>
>
> My eldest son, who is an A&P/IA got his ticket 17 years ago.
> When I saw it, it had his SSN as his license number. I made him turn it
> back in and get one with a random number instead. I doubt if my neighbor
> will give me his SSN. I sure won't give mine out.
>
> Call me stupid, but I don't see where the FAR's require any log
> entries for experimentals except the condition inspection.
>
> Bruce
> www.Glasair.org
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters
> Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2008 12:38 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
>
>
> Bruce Gray wrote:
>
> There are some that believe that all that needs logging is
> the Annual Condition Inspection. Anyone and I mean ANYONE can work on an
> experimental between Annual Inspections, just how would my next door
> neighbor auto mechanic sign my log after he fixed my engine?
>
> That's easy!:
>
> 4/12/08 897 TT A/E Pulled #3 cylinder and replaced all
> rings, part # RS-4531. Reassembled with new cylinder base gasket, part
> # BG-4983, cylinder head gasket, part # HG-5982A, and pushrod tube
> gaskets PR-AX45 and BX-45. (signed) Joe Shmo (that's Bruce's neighbor)
> 654-32-5678
>
>
> BTW, all the data is bogus, but you get the idea. Similar
> format when doing any maintenance such as replacing tires, battery, oil
> change etc. Of course, the entries go into the respective engine or
> airframe logs. Oh yeah, you should have a prop log too!
>
> Now you can be difficult and just keep notes on a lined pad
> instead of a standard logbook and be legal ...... but explain that
> method of record keeping to a prospective buyer.
>
> Linn
>
>
> Bruce
>
> www.Glasair.org
>
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> Time: 06:35:23 PM PST US
> From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
> Subject: RV-List: LOG BOOKS entires, HOW TO.
>
>
> If anyone has a LINK of SAMPLE logbook entires, please post it.
>
> I remember seeing an FAA handout at an A&P safety meeting but cannot find
> it.
>
> Would be a good project for me or someone to create a web page that has
> many samples.
> I would do it if I had the time.
>
> Gary A. Sobek
> "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell,
> 2,084 + Flying Hours So. CA, USA
>
> ________________________________
>> From: smithhb@tds.net
>> To: rv-list@matronics.com
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS
>> Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2008 15:08:03 -0400
>>
>> Thanks Chuck.
>>
>> Personally, I am NOT an A&P/IA with 35 years of experience so I have
>> found this
> thread to be very educational. I wish someone would just publish a
> booklet
> entitled " The Owner Built & Maintained Guide to Proper Logbook Notation".
>>
>> Bret Smith
>> RV-9A "Canopy"
>> Blue Ridge, GA
>> www.FlightInnovations.com
>
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> Time: 07:38:33 PM PST US
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> Subject: RV-List: Recommendation from R.C.
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| Subject: | Re: flying wide open in turb. |
I have a question Mike, et al. If someone were unwise enough to fly
above maneuvering speed in moderate turbulence, and they thought there
may have been some damage, how would you go about inspecting the main
spar for damage? Other than if they are still straight, are there
any tests for aluminum that could check for damage? I don't recall
any, so was just wondering. Not that I ever want to really need to
find out. . . . :-0
Steve
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Michael W Stewart
<mike.stewart@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
> "Whaddaya think?"
> <snip>
> About what Charlie? What would you like us to comment on? Your broken
> G-meter? Whether or not you should remove the wings and inspect? What would
> you like to know or for us to comment on?
>
> Mike
> do not archive
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| Subject: | Re: flying wide open in turb. |
I have a question Mike, et al. If someone were unwise enough to fly
above maneuvering speed in moderate turbulence, and they thought there
may have been some damage, how would you go about inspecting the main
spar for damage? Other than if they are still straight, are there
any tests for aluminum that could check for damage? I don't recall
any, so was just wondering. Not that I ever want to really need to
find out. . . . :-0
Steve
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Michael W Stewart
<mike.stewart@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>
>
> <snip>
> "Whaddaya think?"
> <snip>
> About what Charlie? What would you like us to comment on? Your broken
> G-meter? Whether or not you should remove the wings and inspect? What would
> you like to know or for us to comment on?
>
> Mike
> do not archive
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| Subject: | RE: Log book entries |
Hi Brett et al-
This is one of the reasons I love this list. Despite all the times that
one person's diction irritates another, usually inadvertently, and all the
mud slinging that ensues, some real nuggets come out of it all. I was one
of those that thought AD's don't apply to experimentals. Wow. I'm glad I
learned the truth of the matter. It was certainly worth the effort of
wading through all the chaff to get the kernels.
Some general points- Anyone can work on any airplane. Yes, Virginia, you
can work on a 747. Yes, there are technicalities, but the underlying
principal is that all the work performed is focused / distilled to the
return to service sign-off. It is this sign-off that must be made by a
person with the appropriate credentials. Consider the case of museum
aircraft that are maintained by a force of volunteers. Precious few of
them have any credentials at all. But their IA does, and he does the
sign-off after supervising / inspecting the work.
At OSH I picked up a bound document from the FAA called "AMATEUR BUILT
AIRCRAFT REFERENCE MATERIAL". It contains a slew of AC's relating to OBAM
aircraft. AC39-7C, paragraph 8 explicitly states that AD's apply to us.
Next, right at the very begining, part 43 itself says that it doesn't apply
to experimentals. However, part 91 applies to all civil aircraft, and part
91 refers back to specific sections of part 43, so those explicit sections
do apply to us. 91.405 and 91.407 specify the work to be done and that the
records be made, and refer back to 43.7, 43.9, and 43.11 to state who can
do the sign-offs, what form they must take, and their disposition.
I suspect that should one run afoul of officialdom, 43.12 and 91.13 would
also be invoked...
Special thanks to Das Fed-
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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| Subject: | Re: flying wide open in turb. |
In the 6 that would be hard to do.
My 2 cents would be that without visible deformation, there would be no
need to inspect the wing from the root outboard.
>From the wing root to the inboard spar abutment, one could look at rive
t
deformation, bolt deformation, and spar laminates for clues.
Mike
"Steven Reynard"
<sreynard13@gmail
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Re: RV-List: flying wide open in
03/25/2008 10:30 turb.
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I have a question Mike, et al. If someone were unwise enough to fly
above maneuvering speed in moderate turbulence, and they thought there
may have been some damage, how would you go about inspecting the main
spar for damage? Other than if they are still straight, are there
any tests for aluminum that could check for damage? I don't recall
any, so was just wondering. Not that I ever want to really need to
find out. . . . :-0
Steve
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Michael W Stewart
<mike.stewart@us.ibm.com> wrote:
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> "Whaddaya think?"
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> About what Charlie? What would you like us to comment on? Your broke
n
> G-meter? Whether or not you should remove the wings and inspect? What
would
> you like to know or for us to comment on?
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> Mike
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>From past reading, a really good sign is wrinkles in the skin. I would also call
Van's to see at what G load the wing will bend and stay bent. I beleive at
7~8 G's things start getting serious.
Scott RV-8a
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In the 6 that would be hard to do.
My 2 cents would be that without visible deformation, there would be no need to
inspect the wing from the root outboard.
>From the wing root to the inboard spar abutment, one could look at rivet deformation,
bolt deformation, and spar laminates for clues.
Mike
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I have a question Mike, et al. If someone were unwise enough to fly
above maneuvering speed in moderate turbulence, and they thought there
may have been some damage, how would you go about inspecting the main
spar for damage? Other than if they are still straight, are there
any tests for aluminum that could check for damage? I don't recall
any, so was just wondering. Not that I ever want to really need to
find out. . . . :-0
Steve
On Mon, Mar 24, 2008 at 10:51 AM, Michael W Stewart
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> "Whaddaya think?"
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> About what Charlie? What would you like us to comment on? Your broken
> G-meter? Whether or not you should remove the wings and inspect? What would
> you like to know or for us to comment on?
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> Mike
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A friend of mine was flying a 150 crossing behind an airliner and the resulting
bump caused him to bash his head on the ceiling (despite wearing?a seatbelt)
nearly knocking him out and warped the wings resulting in the aircraft being declared
a total loss.? (Landed safely--150's are tough.)? Distance to and altitude
difference from the airliner unknown.? If following an airliner you could
be rolled but at least you could go with that and be dumped out hopefully with
altitude to spare for recovery.? Crossing is more dangerous in my opinion because
you can hit a severe bump and break something instantly, especially if well
above maneuvering speed where we normally cruise.?
LeRoy Johnston in Ohio RV-6 N176LD?
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Sent: Tue, 25 Mar 2008 5:38 am
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This article is a prime example of the effect of flying at near top speed into
wake turbulence:
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http://www.aopa.org/asf/epilot_acc/chi06fa154.html
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Russ Daves
N710RV - Flying RV-10
N65RV - Sold RV-6A
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| Subject: | Re: RE: Log book entries |
hi guys
just got back from the dreaded fsdo today. I had to retake my i/a exam
had allowed it to expire while overseas. I passed again but the exam is a bitch
and the new computer system had problems. i talked to them about the exec 90
problem again and amateur built aircraft logs in general. The consensus was that
90% of them have major problems. the conversation include three asi's, a Dom
and two i/a's. Without a legal decision from the feds the final outcome was
that all entries shall include four "w" 's What when how and who.
typical entry
what
changed oil and filter
when
tach/hobbs time and date
how
using aeroshell 15-50 8 qts filter# ?????
who
joe blow repairman # xxxxxxxxx
and yes ad's do apply
Lets be honest if you are flying an airplane with a outstanding ad, you are stupid.
typical entry
what
complied with ad ??-??-??
how
as per paragraph XXX inspect/install kit/replaced . whatever
when
tach/hobbs time and date
who
joe blow repairman # xxxxxxxxx
next we went on to some of the tough ones, airworthiness limitation ie, time
inspections and component replacement times. the exec 90 in particular.
service bulletins are optional as we all know, but the mandatory replacement
times and inspection due to the fact that this is a helicopter are required. by
the way you would be insane not to comply with this any way.
log entry
what and how
inspected aircraft per 100 hr requirements as per maintenance manual XXX revXXX
date XXX replaced the following components per mm.
just need to add the when and the who.
the conversation drifted to prop strikes, major airframe repairs and unlogged
incidents.
if a propeller is changed or overhauled then enter why. delamination erosion,
cracking. else i will assume a prop strike. and require the requisite insp.
airframe repairs
what so i know where to look
when as required
why so i have some idea of the energy involved
unlogged incidents.
replaced main landing gear
why deformity due to hard landing, or due to bad intial installation.
rick m
glen matejcek <aerobubba@earthlink.net> wrote:
Hi Brett et al-
This is one of the reasons I love this list. Despite all the times that
one person's diction irritates another, usually inadvertently, and all the
mud slinging that ensues, some real nuggets come out of it all. I was one
of those that thought AD's don't apply to experimentals. Wow. I'm glad I
learned the truth of the matter. It was certainly worth the effort of
wading through all the chaff to get the kernels.
Some general points- Anyone can work on any airplane. Yes, Virginia, you
can work on a 747. Yes, there are technicalities, but the underlying
principal is that all the work performed is focused / distilled to the
return to service sign-off. It is this sign-off that must be made by a
person with the appropriate credentials. Consider the case of museum
aircraft that are maintained by a force of volunteers. Precious few of
them have any credentials at all. But their IA does, and he does the
sign-off after supervising / inspecting the work.
At OSH I picked up a bound document from the FAA called "AMATEUR BUILT
AIRCRAFT REFERENCE MATERIAL". It contains a slew of AC's relating to OBAM
aircraft. AC39-7C, paragraph 8 explicitly states that AD's apply to us.
Next, right at the very begining, part 43 itself says that it doesn't apply
to experimentals. However, part 91 applies to all civil aircraft, and part
91 refers back to specific sections of part 43, so those explicit sections
do apply to us. 91.405 and 91.407 specify the work to be done and that the
records be made, and refer back to 43.7, 43.9, and 43.11 to state who can
do the sign-offs, what form they must take, and their disposition.
I suspect that should one run afoul of officialdom, 43.12 and 91.13 would
also be invoked...
Special thanks to Das Fed-
glen matejcek
aerobubba@earthlink.net
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