---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 04/05/08: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:42 AM - Fuel line near Exhaust (George Inman 204 287 8334) 2. 11:41 AM - Re: Bank Reports and IRS after Aircraft Sale (Richard Dudley) 3. 12:41 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (bert murillo) 4. 07:08 PM - Re: LOG BOOKS (c.ennis@insightbb.com) 5. 08:42 PM - fuselage stand (Lance Sorensen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:06 AM PST US From: George Inman 204 287 8334 Subject: RV-List: Fuel line near Exhaust How close can you run a fuel line to the exhaust? The line from engine driven fuel pump to the Throttle body on my fuel inj. O360 ,passes about 1/2" above the heat shield ,which in turn is about 1/4" from the exhaust pipe. Are others flying with a similar arrangement? I have fire sleeve and a heat reflective sleeve on the fuel line. -- George H. Inman ghinman@mts.net ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 11:41:03 AM PST US From: "Richard Dudley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Bank Reports and IRS after Aircraft Sale Thanks to all who offered opinions to my questions!!!! Richard Dudley ----- Original Message ----- From: Richard Dudley To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, April 04, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: RV-List: Bank Reports and IRS after Aircraft Sale Listers, These are questions for anyone who has built and sold an OBAM/Amateur Built Aircraft. Once the buyer has paid you for the aircraft by whatever means: electronic transfer, cashier's check, certified check or cash, and that 5+ figure amount is put into your "whatever" account, anything over $10K requires the bank or other financial institution to report it to some federal government agency since there is concern about the cleanliness of the money. My questions are: 1. What sort of information will the seller be required to provide ? 2. What are the IRS implications/requirements for accounting for and reporting the sale amount? A. Is there a requirement to account for the materials and parts cost of building? B. Are the labor hours of building of any consequence? OR C. Is the difference between costs of materials and parts and the sale price called "ordinary income". Thanks for any experience or insight. Regards, Richard Dudley RV-6A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:41:28 PM PST US From: bert murillo Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS PEOPLE DO FOOLISH THINGS WE KNOW...NO MATTER WHAT THEY WANT TO PROVE THEY DO NOT HAVE TO LISTEN TO ANY ONE, I AM A BIG SHOT, NO BODY IS GOINT TO TELL ME WHAT TO DO... NO WONDER WHY, GENERAL AVIATION, GONTINUES TO BE AT THE BOTTOM, WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY.. FOR 30 YEARS OR SO, IT NEVER IMPROVES... IT IS A SHAME I COULD TELL STORIES, THAT CURL UP YOUR HAIR,.. HAVE YOU SEE ALSO THE WAY PILOTS " THE BIG SHOTS' DRESS. SOME LOOK LIKE THEY NEVER TAKE A BATH....I HAVE SEEN PILOTS, THE ONES I AM TALKING ABOUT THEY THINK THEY ARE 'TOPO GUNS',GETTING IN TO THEIR PLANES, ONE WAS A CHEROKEE 140. most recent... with no shoes, no shirt... what a sight.... DO NOT FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDED AD,, FROM THE MFG. WHAT A HECK, THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.. VAN's IS AN IDIOT, TELLING US WHAT TO DO..... AND ON AND ON... THESE ARE THE POPLE, THAT PUT BLACK MARKS ON GENERAL AVIATION, AND THE REST OF US PAY FOR... Bert rv6a do not archive --- Scott wrote: > How about this required placard: > Passenger Warning- THIS AIRCRAFT IS AMATEUR-BUILT > AND DOES NOT COMPLY > WITH THE FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD > AIRCRAFT. This warning > must be in full view of all passengers. > > ADs concern safety. Experimentals do not comply > with Federal safety > regulations per placarding. Therefore, by > deduction, ADs do not apply > to experimentals. > > How does the FAA know what equipment has been > installed in my plane? > What if I built a replacement stainless steel needle > in my carburetor > and an AD comes out on the original factory seat in > the type carburetor > I have that calls for immediate replacement of the > part. Do I have to > remove my part and put in the new factory part? > Don't think so. Not > sure, but I don't have an "equipment list" for mine > (I bought > it...didn't build it) that shows what is on there, > so how do they know > what carb I have? > > Again, I'm not saying it may not be wise to comply, > but I don't think I > can say I HAVE to comply. > > Scott > do not archive and I hope not to start a fight! ;) > > > > Bob J. wrote: > > > Well, show me the FAR that exempts AD's from > applying to > > experimentals. I don't know what the EAA bases > their position on, > > because there is no rule whatsoever that supports > their argument. I > > don't think their argument could hold up in a > court of law. > > > > Lets start by looking at FAR part 39.3, the > regulation in question: > > "FAA's airworthiness directives are legally > enforceable rules that > > apply to the following products: aircraft, > aircraft engines, > > propellers, and appliances." > > > > Almost all FAR's have an applicability section. > Notably absent from > > part 39 is an applicability section. There's no > wording anywhere in > > the FAR's, particularly part 39, that says AD's > don't apply to > > experimentals. > > > > The key word in 39.3 is "products". It doesn't > matter what type or > > category aircraft the "product" is installed in, > its still a product > > and since its a product AD's do apply. Again to > emphasize FAR 39 does > > not grant exemptions to the experimental category > and thus as the > > regulation states AD's apply to all aircraft > products. > > > > The language of FAR 39 can allow the FAA can issue > AD's to > > experimental aircraft, experimental aircraft > engines, experimental > > propellers, and experimental appliances, even > toilet seats in aircraft > > with commodes but that hasn't happened (yet). > > > > I had this pointed out to me by DAR #1 who has > been a DAR for over 35 > > years and has issued CofA's to hundreds of > aircraft, mostly transport > > category along with many experimentals and > warbirds. He can recite > > FAR's verbatim. He knows his stuff. > > > > Regards, > > Bob Japundza > > RV-6 flying F1 under const. > > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Scott > > > wrote: > > > > When did ADs start becoming applicable to > experimental > > homebuilts? This was asked of EAA and they > said no. Has anyone > > ever received an AD in the mail for their > homebuilt? > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > Scott > http://corbenflyer.tripod.com > Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4 > Gotta Fly or Gonna Die > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:08:12 PM PST US From: c.ennis@insightbb.com Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS Bert, Calm down, you can't reason with unreasonable people....As an A/P I can gurantee any condition inspection I perform on any homebuilt will include a check for applicable AD's on the installed engine and appliances, as well as any recommended service bulletin's I can find from the kit manufacturer. The SB's would be open to discussion with the owner (re: Van's nose wheel fork SB) Any AD's , if applicable, would prevent me from signing off the condition inspection until the conditions of the AD were met. If an AD wasn't applicable, (re: A stainless steel needle) an entry in the logs noting the AD didn't apply would be made. That would make future inspections easier and less time consuming and give the owner some paper work when he tries to sell the aircraft. Granted, if you built the aircraft, you can ignore all of this, at your own risk and the risk of any "victims" you might have with you when the engine locks up because you "didn't have to comply" with the oil pump AD on your Lycoming. The statement, that AD's don't apply because of the warning plate, which we are mandated to install in our homebuilts, is disingenuous. The warning plate is notes that "STANDARD aircraft" must comply with federal safety regulations, while "HOMEBUILT aircraft" do not. The FAR's don't make that distinction when addressing "aircraft engines, propellers and appliances". If a "product" has been installed in a certified aircraft and it is found faulty in some way and the FAA decides it needs to be checked, altered or removed from service, they will issue an AD to that effect. If that "product" is installed in your homebuilt and is involved in an "incident" the accident report will make note of the lack of AD compliance if that product was the cause of the "incident". By the way, the FAA recommends that owners subscribe to its AD subscription service just in case you aren't on there mailing list. To finish this long winded diatribe, check out AC39-C paragraph 8...better yet, read the whole thing. Charlie Ennis RV-6A Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: bert murillo Subject: Re: RV-List: LOG BOOKS > > PEOPLE DO FOOLISH THINGS WE KNOW...NO MATTER WHAT > THEY WANT TO PROVE THEY DO NOT HAVE TO LISTEN TO > ANY ONE, I AM A BIG SHOT, NO BODY IS GOINT TO TELL > ME WHAT TO DO... > > NO WONDER WHY, GENERAL AVIATION, GONTINUES TO BE > AT THE BOTTOM, WHEN IT COMES TO SAFETY.. > > FOR 30 YEARS OR SO, IT NEVER IMPROVES... IT IS A SHAME > I COULD TELL STORIES, THAT CURL UP YOUR HAIR,.. > HAVE YOU SEE ALSO THE WAY PILOTS > " THE BIG SHOTS' DRESS. SOME LOOK LIKE THEY NEVER > TAKE A BATH....I HAVE SEEN PILOTS, THE ONES I AM > TALKING ABOUT THEY THINK THEY ARE 'TOPO GUNS',GETTING > IN TO THEIR PLANES, ONE WAS A CHEROKEE 140. most > recent... with no shoes, no shirt... what a sight.... > > DO NOT FOLLOW THE RECOMMENDED AD,, FROM THE MFG. > WHAT A HECK, THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY ARE DOING.. > > VAN's IS AN IDIOT, TELLING US WHAT TO DO..... > > AND ON AND ON... > > THESE ARE THE POPLE, THAT PUT BLACK MARKS ON > GENERAL AVIATION, AND THE REST OF US PAY FOR... > > Bert > > rv6a > > do not archive > > > > > > > --- Scott wrote: > > > How about this required placard: > > Passenger Warning- THIS AIRCRAFT IS AMATEUR-BUILT > > AND DOES NOT COMPLY > > WITH THE FEDERAL SAFETY REGULATIONS FOR STANDARD > > AIRCRAFT. This warning > > must be in full view of all passengers. > > > > ADs concern safety. Experimentals do not comply > > with Federal safety > > regulations per placarding. Therefore, by > > deduction, ADs do not apply > > to experimentals. > > > > How does the FAA know what equipment has been > > installed in my plane? > > What if I built a replacement stainless steel needle > > in my carburetor > > and an AD comes out on the original factory seat in > > the type carburetor > > I have that calls for immediate replacement of the > > part. Do I have to > > remove my part and put in the new factory part? > > Don't think so. Not > > sure, but I don't have an "equipment list" for mine > > (I bought > > it...didn't build it) that shows what is on there, > > so how do they know > > what carb I have? > > > > Again, I'm not saying it may not be wise to comply, > > but I don't think I > > can say I HAVE to comply. > > > > Scott > > do not archive and I hope not to start a fight! ;) > > > > > > > > Bob J. wrote: > > > > > Well, show me the FAR that exempts AD's from > > applying to > > > experimentals. I don't know what the EAA bases > > their position on, > > > because there is no rule whatsoever that supports > > their argument. I > > > don't think their argument could hold up in a > > court of law. > > > > > > Lets start by looking at FAR part 39.3, the > > regulation in question: > > > "FAA's airworthiness directives are legally > > enforceable rules that > > > apply to the following products: aircraft, > > aircraft engines, > > > propellers, and appliances." > > > > > > Almost all FAR's have an applicability section. > > Notably absent from > > > part 39 is an applicability section. There's no > > wording anywhere in > > > the FAR's, particularly part 39, that says AD's > > don't apply to > > > experimentals. > > > > > > The key word in 39.3 is "products". It doesn't > > matter what type or > > > category aircraft the "product" is installed in, > > its still a product > > > and since its a product AD's do apply. Again to > > emphasize FAR 39 does > > > not grant exemptions to the experimental category > > and thus as the > > > regulation states AD's apply to all aircraft > > products. > > > > > > The language of FAR 39 can allow the FAA can issue > > AD's to > > > experimental aircraft, experimental aircraft > > engines, experimental > > > propellers, and experimental appliances, even > > toilet seats in aircraft > > > with commodes but that hasn't happened (yet). > > > > > > I had this pointed out to me by DAR #1 who has > > been a DAR for over 35 > > > years and has issued CofA's to hundreds of > > aircraft, mostly transport > > > category along with many experimentals and > > warbirds. He can recite > > > FAR's verbatim. He knows his stuff. > > > > > > Regards, > > > Bob Japundza > > > RV-6 flying F1 under const. > > > > > > On Sat, Mar 22, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Scott > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > When did ADs start becoming > applicable to > > experimental > > > homebuilts? This was asked of > EAA and they > > said no. Has anyone > > > ever received an AD in the mail for their > > homebuilt? > > > > > > Scott > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > Scott > > http://corbenflyer.tripod.com > > Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4 > > Gotta Fly or Gonna Die > > > > > > > > You rock. That's why Blockbuster's offering you one month of > Blockbuster Total Access, No Cost. > http://tc.deals.yahoo.com/tc/blockbuster/text5.com > > RV-List Email Forum - > _- > = - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > _- > = - List Contribution Web Site - > _- > = -Matt Dralle, List Admin. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:42:44 PM PST US From: Lance Sorensen Subject: RV-List: fuselage stand I have a rotating fuselage stand for RV 6, RV7, or RV9 fuselage that is for sale. Price is $250 plus shipping. 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