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1. 01:01 AM - The" P" Word (DEAN PSIROPOULOS)
2. 03:20 AM - Re: RV Safety Record (jan)
3. 04:26 AM - Re: The" P" Word (David Maib)
4. 05:05 AM - Re: OT: aluminum panel (RALPH HOOVER)
5. 05:36 AM - Re: The" P" Word (RALPH HOOVER)
6. 05:39 AM - Re: The" P" Word (RALPH HOOVER)
7. 06:13 AM - Re: The" P" Word (N395V)
8. 06:24 AM - Re: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? (N395V)
9. 06:52 AM - The right to fly thing (Charles Heathco)
10. 08:47 AM - Re: Accident one fatal (Tracy Crook)
11. 09:58 AM - Re: battery update, Bill Dube (Gordon or Marge)
12. 10:08 AM - New Member (Harrell Staton)
13. 11:34 AM - Re: Tools for Sale (Michael Karatsonyi)
14. 01:23 PM - Re: The" P" Word (Paul Rice)
15. 01:42 PM - Sun N Fun Review (Eddie Moran)
16. 02:02 PM - Re: New Member (Tim Bryan)
17. 02:34 PM - tip-up F-697 question (ceengland@bellsouth.net)
18. 02:34 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Review (Kyle Boatright)
19. 03:42 PM - Tires and Brake Pads (Garry)
20. 04:01 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Kyle Boatright)
21. 04:05 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Carl Froehlich)
22. 04:12 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Dale Ensing)
23. 05:13 PM - Sun-n-Fun '08 (Bob-tcw)
24. 06:04 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Review (Tracy Crook)
25. 06:19 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Review (Dale Walter)
26. 06:25 PM - tools wanted (Matt Kuperus)
27. 06:37 PM - For Sale - Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) Kit (Kelly Meiste)
28. 06:52 PM - Re: For Sale - Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) Kit (Vanremog@AOL.COM)
29. 06:56 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Larygagnon@aol.com)
30. 07:29 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Denis Walsh)
31. 07:55 PM - Off topic and off the list (Steve Struyk)
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The P (privilege) word is often invoked by egotistical bureaucrats and
politicians who can't stand the fact that THEY are not KINGS of their
particular territory. I too get sick of hearing the P word from this crowd
and...from citizens of our country who drink the cool aid these officials
are selling. These folks tend follow along like sheep because they don't
realize that every time they go along with a new law they let the camel's
nose under the tent a little further. Next thing you know, there's nothing
left because the activity is prohibited.
Are you one of those blind followers of the "all knowing all seeing"
government Gary. How about when the American Socialist party takes over the
presidency and begins to pander to the global warming special interests in
the environmentalist movement? Did you know that radical environmentalists
are calling for euthanasia of humans in the name of "saving the planet"?
Even that great purveyor of television cable news, Ted Turner, was shooting
his mouth off on PBS last week about how the planet cannot survive if we
don't do something about the increasing number of human beings!!! Do you
look at your life as a "privilege" Gary? Are you willing to give it up in
the name of "saving the planet"? How about your wife? Your children? You
going to agree to give up the "privilege" of their lives to a government
edict?
Intelligent people don't follow power hungry career lawyer politicians over
the proverbial cliff just because they like someone's agenda. Yes it
doesn't say in the US Constitution (or any of its amendments) that flying is
a right (if the founding fathers had experienced the wonder of flying they
certainly would have made it one). But... throughout most of the history of
our country things were NOT generally prohibited if they did not interfere
with the rights of others. Unfortunately, now days people have been dumbed
down by public education and a lack of facts. Politicians have become more
brazen about how it's the government's "RIGHT" to control everyone and
everything because some special interest says so (and mainstream news media
tends to not question any politician who goes against our constitutional
rights unless of course it's their first amendment right to spout mindless
socialist crap)!
If we continue down the present path, it won't be long until you'll all have
to call Ted Kennedy for permission to wipe your rear ends after you
defecate. That means a lot of good hardworking people are going to have to
take time to be inconvenienced. I'm talking about all of you taking time
off from work/play/etc to go to your respective city council meetings, state
Capitols, and even Washington DC to make more noise than the control freak
special interests who think that a bunch of lawyers (who know nothing about
anything except that they can fix EVERYTHING if only they pass more laws
telling us what to do and take more of our money) can force us all to do
their bidding. I've lived long enough to remember the TV footage of the
bread lines, shoe lines and persecution that went on in the old Soviet Union
and it'll be a cold day in &%^*$ before I let a bunch of politicians pull
that Marxist crap in this country.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Radical Libertarian
________________________ Original Message ______________________________
From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying - Privilege or Right ???
I cannot find ANY sources that says that flying is a RIGHT. Please provide
SOURCES for that statement.
Gary A. Sobek
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| Subject: | RV Safety Record |
Hi Tom & Cathy,
Hope you are doing well !! I am still working on my RV6 ... wings now.... Oh
so slow ;-) .... Doing it the "hard way" ...
I think the RV range is now "so easy to build" that the need for a "builders
help list" like this is greatly reduced ......
Take care ... and happy flying !!
Jan
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom & Cathy Ervin
Sent: 12 April 2008 15:06
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Safety Record
Jake, Unfortunately some people in this great country must assume they live
under a form of socialism. As you are obviously aware we live in a Republic
which requires a great deal of individual responsibility.
Socialism relies on the government to guide them in most aspects of
their lives. Thank God this is a Republic.
I have been on this form for 9 years and this will be my last post. RV
building and technical discussions have been replaced by people more
interested in determining how the government should run our lives.
By the way Jake if you are serving our country in Baghdad..."Thanks for
your service!!"
Do Not Archive Tom in Ohio (RV6-A)
taken over by standing ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Crause" <jakecrause@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:08:18 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Safety Record
>>>>>Flying is a privilege not a right.<<<<
Why do people keep saying that? I see that sentiment often on several
different forums. The attitude seems to be that the government is doing us
a favor by "allowing" us to fly. Last I checked, government serves us, not
the other way around. That being said, we allow our government to ensure
that there are standards and that is a good thing for the public in general.
We can't infringe on other peoples rights to NOT have an airplane crash
through their roof because of unreasonable behavior.
Just my opinion.
Jake Crause
Baghdad, Iraq
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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Cathy,<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Hope you are doing well !! I am
still working
on my RV6 … wings now…. Oh so slow ;-) …. Doing it
the “hard way” …<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I think the RV range is now
“so easy to
build” that the need for a “builders help list” like
this is greatly reduced ……<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Take care … and happy flying
!!<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On
Behalf Of </span></b>Tom & Cathy Ervin<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 12 April 2008
15:06<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b>
rv-list@matronics.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: RV-List: RV
Safety
Record</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><font size=3 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:black'>Jake, Unfortunately some people in
this great
country must assume they live under a form of socialism. As you are
obviously aware we live in a Republic which requires a
great
deal of individual responsibility.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:black'> &nb
sp;Socialism
relies on the government to guide them in most aspects of their lives.
Thank
God this is a Republic.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:black'> I have been on this form for 9
years
and this will be my last post. RV building and technical discussions
have been replaced by people more interested in
determining how
the government should run our lives.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:black'> By the way Jake if you are
serving our
country in <st1:City w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Baghdad</st1:place></st1:City>..."Thanks
for your service!!"<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p><font size=3 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:black'> &nb
sp;
Do Not
Archive  
;  
;
Tom in <st1:State w:st="on"><st1:place
w:st="on">Ohio</st1:place></st1:State>
(RV6-A)<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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style='font-size:12.0pt;
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<p><font size=3 color=black face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Verdana;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=3 color=black
face=Verdana><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Verdana;color:black'> taken
over
by standing ----- Original Message -----<br>
From: "Jake Crause" <jakecrause@yahoo.com><br>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:08:18 AM (GMT-0500)
America/New_York<br>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Safety Record<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>>>>>>Flying is a
privilege
not a right.<<<<<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Why do people keep saying
that? I
see that sentiment often on several different
forums. The
attitude seems to be that the government is doing us a favor by
"allowing" us to fly. Last I checked, government serves
us, not
the other way around. That being said, we allow our government to
ensure
that there are standards and that is a good thing for the public in
general. We can't infringe on other peoples rights to NOT have an
airplane crash through their roof because of unreasonable
behavior.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
</div>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p
>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>Just my
opinion.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=black face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
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Crause<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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face=Arial><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:black'>,
<st1:country-region
w:st="on">Iraq</st1:country-region></span></font></st1:place><font
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style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial;
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| Subject: | Re: The" P" Word |
Why don't we take this to another forum and get back to RV issues?
David Maib
On Apr 13, 2008, at 2:57 AM, DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
<dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
The P (privilege) word is often invoked by egotistical bureaucrats and
politicians who can't stand the fact that THEY are not KINGS of their
particular territory. I too get sick of hearing the P word from this
crowd
and...from citizens of our country who drink the cool aid these
officials
are selling. These folks tend follow along like sheep because they
don't
realize that every time they go along with a new law they let the
camel's
nose under the tent a little further. Next thing you know, there's
nothing
left because the activity is prohibited.
Are you one of those blind followers of the "all knowing all seeing"
government Gary. How about when the American Socialist party takes
over the
presidency and begins to pander to the global warming special
interests in
the environmentalist movement? Did you know that radical
environmentalists
are calling for euthanasia of humans in the name of "saving the planet"?
Even that great purveyor of television cable news, Ted Turner, was
shooting
his mouth off on PBS last week about how the planet cannot survive if we
don't do something about the increasing number of human beings!!! Do
you
look at your life as a "privilege" Gary? Are you willing to give it
up in
the name of "saving the planet"? How about your wife? Your children?
You
going to agree to give up the "privilege" of their lives to a government
edict?
Intelligent people don't follow power hungry career lawyer
politicians over
the proverbial cliff just because they like someone's agenda. Yes it
doesn't say in the US Constitution (or any of its amendments) that
flying is
a right (if the founding fathers had experienced the wonder of flying
they
certainly would have made it one). But... throughout most of the
history of
our country things were NOT generally prohibited if they did not
interfere
with the rights of others. Unfortunately, now days people have been
dumbed
down by public education and a lack of facts. Politicians have become
more
brazen about how it's the government's "RIGHT" to control everyone and
everything because some special interest says so (and mainstream news
media
tends to not question any politician who goes against our constitutional
rights unless of course it's their first amendment right to spout
mindless
socialist crap)!
If we continue down the present path, it won't be long until you'll
all have
to call Ted Kennedy for permission to wipe your rear ends after you
defecate. That means a lot of good hardworking people are going to
have to
take time to be inconvenienced. I'm talking about all of you taking
time
off from work/play/etc to go to your respective city council
meetings, state
Capitols, and even Washington DC to make more noise than the control
freak
special interests who think that a bunch of lawyers (who know nothing
about
anything except that they can fix EVERYTHING if only they pass more laws
telling us what to do and take more of our money) can force us all to do
their bidding. I've lived long enough to remember the TV footage of the
bread lines, shoe lines and persecution that went on in the old
Soviet Union
and it'll be a cold day in &%^*$ before I let a bunch of politicians
pull
that Marxist crap in this country.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Radical Libertarian
________________________ Original Message
______________________________
From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying - Privilege or Right ???
I cannot find ANY sources that says that flying is a RIGHT. Please
provide
SOURCES for that statement.
Gary A. Sobek
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| Subject: | OT: aluminum panel |
Chris,
Try Front Panel Express http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/. They have
made several panels for my RV7 and they came out well and the price was
reasonable. They have a S/W package that you may use for the layout and then
get a quote and place an order with a few key strokes.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris W
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:40 PM
Subject: RV-List: OT: aluminum panel
I was wondering if anyone has some spare aluminum sheet and would be
willing to make a panel for me for a reasonable fee? I still need to
acquire a few parts before I am sure on all the dimensions but attached
is an image of what I need. I will of course fill in all the dimensions
when I have the design finished in a few weeks. I am looking for
something that is between 1/16" and 1/8" thick.
--
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Dean,
Well said. Something to think about next time you pull the lever for
any of those Lawyer Politicians who think their safety is more important
than your rights. Of course I'm speaking of the DC ADIZ (file a flight plan
to do touch and go's) unless you are at one of the DC 3 airports then you
must be vetted by the pinhead bureaucrats to even enter or leave the
airspace. Then there are the ever present and expanding no fly zones.
When will people wake up and realize that the risks are well worth
the rewards and accept those risks. Instead we are quick to give up our
rights to feel like there is greater safety. We all pay dearly for all the
unnecessary BS in both taxes and loss of freedom. Anyone fly commercial
lately. Last time I flew I was searched because I failed to take my watch
off, and remove a pack of gum from my shirt pocket. They X-Rayed the gum!! I
felt so much safer!! Your tax dollars at work. But hey soon those landing
fees, ATC fees, briefing fees ... will pay for it all.
We are well along down the slippery slope, time to put on the
brakes.
Ralph
KHWY just outside the DC ADIZ
RV7A
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 3:57 AM
Subject: RV-List: The" P" Word
<dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
The P (privilege) word is often invoked by egotistical bureaucrats and
politicians who can't stand the fact that THEY are not KINGS of their
particular territory. I too get sick of hearing the P word from this crowd
and...from citizens of our country who drink the cool aid these officials
are selling. These folks tend follow along like sheep because they don't
realize that every time they go along with a new law they let the camel's
nose under the tent a little further. Next thing you know, there's nothing
left because the activity is prohibited.
Are you one of those blind followers of the "all knowing all seeing"
government Gary. How about when the American Socialist party takes over the
presidency and begins to pander to the global warming special interests in
the environmentalist movement? Did you know that radical environmentalists
are calling for euthanasia of humans in the name of "saving the planet"?
Even that great purveyor of television cable news, Ted Turner, was shooting
his mouth off on PBS last week about how the planet cannot survive if we
don't do something about the increasing number of human beings!!! Do you
look at your life as a "privilege" Gary? Are you willing to give it up in
the name of "saving the planet"? How about your wife? Your children? You
going to agree to give up the "privilege" of their lives to a government
edict?
Intelligent people don't follow power hungry career lawyer politicians over
the proverbial cliff just because they like someone's agenda. Yes it
doesn't say in the US Constitution (or any of its amendments) that flying is
a right (if the founding fathers had experienced the wonder of flying they
certainly would have made it one). But... throughout most of the history of
our country things were NOT generally prohibited if they did not interfere
with the rights of others. Unfortunately, now days people have been dumbed
down by public education and a lack of facts. Politicians have become more
brazen about how it's the government's "RIGHT" to control everyone and
everything because some special interest says so (and mainstream news media
tends to not question any politician who goes against our constitutional
rights unless of course it's their first amendment right to spout mindless
socialist crap)!
If we continue down the present path, it won't be long until you'll all have
to call Ted Kennedy for permission to wipe your rear ends after you
defecate. That means a lot of good hardworking people are going to have to
take time to be inconvenienced. I'm talking about all of you taking time
off from work/play/etc to go to your respective city council meetings, state
Capitols, and even Washington DC to make more noise than the control freak
special interests who think that a bunch of lawyers (who know nothing about
anything except that they can fix EVERYTHING if only they pass more laws
telling us what to do and take more of our money) can force us all to do
their bidding. I've lived long enough to remember the TV footage of the
bread lines, shoe lines and persecution that went on in the old Soviet Union
and it'll be a cold day in &%^*$ before I let a bunch of politicians pull
that Marxist crap in this country.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Radical Libertarian
________________________ Original Message ______________________________
From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying - Privilege or Right ???
I cannot find ANY sources that says that flying is a RIGHT. Please provide
SOURCES for that statement.
Gary A. Sobek
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It is an RV issue if the rights to build and fly are infringed or
eliminated. We are heading that direction.
Ralph
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Maib
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:21 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: The" P" Word
Why don't we take this to another forum and get back to RV issues?
David Maib
On Apr 13, 2008, at 2:57 AM, DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote:
<dean.psiropoulos@verizon.net>
The P (privilege) word is often invoked by egotistical bureaucrats and
politicians who can't stand the fact that THEY are not KINGS of their
particular territory. I too get sick of hearing the P word from this
crowd
and...from citizens of our country who drink the cool aid these
officials
are selling. These folks tend follow along like sheep because they
don't
realize that every time they go along with a new law they let the
camel's
nose under the tent a little further. Next thing you know, there's
nothing
left because the activity is prohibited.
Are you one of those blind followers of the "all knowing all seeing"
government Gary. How about when the American Socialist party takes
over the
presidency and begins to pander to the global warming special
interests in
the environmentalist movement? Did you know that radical
environmentalists
are calling for euthanasia of humans in the name of "saving the planet"?
Even that great purveyor of television cable news, Ted Turner, was
shooting
his mouth off on PBS last week about how the planet cannot survive if we
don't do something about the increasing number of human beings!!! Do
you
look at your life as a "privilege" Gary? Are you willing to give it
up in
the name of "saving the planet"? How about your wife? Your children?
You
going to agree to give up the "privilege" of their lives to a government
edict?
Intelligent people don't follow power hungry career lawyer
politicians over
the proverbial cliff just because they like someone's agenda. Yes it
doesn't say in the US Constitution (or any of its amendments) that
flying is
a right (if the founding fathers had experienced the wonder of flying
they
certainly would have made it one). But... throughout most of the
history of
our country things were NOT generally prohibited if they did not
interfere
with the rights of others. Unfortunately, now days people have been
dumbed
down by public education and a lack of facts. Politicians have become
more
brazen about how it's the government's "RIGHT" to control everyone and
everything because some special interest says so (and mainstream news
media
tends to not question any politician who goes against our constitutional
rights unless of course it's their first amendment right to spout
mindless
socialist crap)!
If we continue down the present path, it won't be long until you'll
all have
to call Ted Kennedy for permission to wipe your rear ends after you
defecate. That means a lot of good hardworking people are going to
have to
take time to be inconvenienced. I'm talking about all of you taking
time
off from work/play/etc to go to your respective city council
meetings, state
Capitols, and even Washington DC to make more noise than the control
freak
special interests who think that a bunch of lawyers (who know nothing
about
anything except that they can fix EVERYTHING if only they pass more laws
telling us what to do and take more of our money) can force us all to do
their bidding. I've lived long enough to remember the TV footage of the
bread lines, shoe lines and persecution that went on in the old
Soviet Union
and it'll be a cold day in &%^*$ before I let a bunch of politicians
pull
that Marxist crap in this country.
Dean Psiropoulos
RV-6A N197DM
Radical Libertarian
________________________ Original Message
______________________________
From: RV6 Flyer <rv6_flyer@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying - Privilege or Right ???
I cannot find ANY sources that says that flying is a RIGHT. Please
provide
SOURCES for that statement.
Gary A. Sobek
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| Subject: | Re: The" P" Word |
> Why don't we take this to another forum and get back to RV issues?
>
> David Maib
>
>
Why? Is discussing anything political a privilege rather than a right.
For Christ's sake if you don't like the thread don't read it. If it pops up in
your e mail delete it.
Or maybe you can run for Congress and craft legislation to infringe on our RIGHTS.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176528#176528
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| Subject: | Re: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? |
I do not take issue with regulation for the purpose of public safety ie requirements
for training, currency, adequate health and do not view that as depriving
me of my right to fly. Same goes for military and other restricted airspace
to provide for safety and the common defense.
A privilege is something that can be revoked without cause and I find no basis
in law that would allow the fed to do that relative to my right to fly.
I agree with others that when we endorse buzzwords or buzz phrases spit out by
politicians such as "flying is a privilege and not a right" then we are de facto
making their statements correct. This, in my opinion, is not a good thing to
do as it ultimately assists them in their goal of eroding our rights.
At the moment though our right to fly has its biggest challenge in the form of
fuel prices rather than an overzealous government.
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176530#176530
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| Subject: | The right to fly thing |
I see its still going so heres my take. I met all the requirements to
earn my coml, multi ticket which gives me the "right" to fly. I screw up
and they can and will take that away for a period of time, if its bad
enuf, forever. Personally, I consider it a privledge because I am
blessed with the good health and the skills to do so. Charles Heathco
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| Subject: | Re: Accident one fatal |
I'm all for safety but I suspect if we eliminated fun from flying, the sky
would have very few homebuilts in it.
In general, if it isn't fun, why bother?
Tracy Crook (just back from Sun 'n *Fun*)
bert murillo <robertrv607@yahoo.com> wrote:
I =do not fly my Rv just for fun...
> .I really use
> it to go from point A to point B...travelling
> is the ultimate goal..just..punching holes in the sky
> does this will improve your flying skills?/
>
> Any how, lets prove that Rv pilots are alittle
> better than the rest of general aviation....would not
> be great, if for 2008 there will not be a single
> accident??
>
>
> See you at Sun and Fun
>
> Robert
>
> rv6a
>
> do nbot archive
>
>
> __________________________________________________
>
>
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| Subject: | battery update, Bill Dube |
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dube
Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:29 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: battery update, Bill Dube
Sure, smaller is easy. The increments are 2.3 a-hrs and 120 cranking amps.
The cells are 26650 size. That is, they are ~ 26 mm in diameter and
~65 mm long. To make a battery that is nominally 12 volts, we put 4
in series. We them parallel up as many as required to get the amp-hrs
and cranking amps we need.
Bill: Have reread your letter and have a some questions. My RV-8 will have
Precision's Eagle system that needs a backup battery. They provide a
maintainer and automatic switching unit and 3-4 AH is desireable but draw
would only be 2 amps if called upon. What would you suggest? Also, I note
that Chrysler showed a LiIon battery pack in a concept vehicle that claims
64KWH. How much would such a unit weigh? What is the capacity of your
motorcycle unit? I notice that GM is still evaluating A123 batteries in an
accelerated lifetime test. What is the status of your project?
Thank you very much.
Gordon Comfort
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Folks -
Just joined the group, thought I would take a little time to
introduce myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville,
FL. I presently fly a 1952 Piper TriPacer, with a 150HP O-320 (which
will eventually power my RV-9!). Since all of my building experience
in the past has been in wood and composite, I am a blank page when it
comes to working in metal. That is one of the many reasons for
settling on an RV. I am going to have to build a suite of tools, and
in that vein, would be very interested in hearing from anyone on the
list who has surplus or unneeded tools they would be willing to part
with. Thanks!
Sam Staton
pj260@bellsouth.net
2552 Chesterbrook Ct.
Jacksonville, FL 32224-3849
904-223-9627 (Home)
904-742-3091 (Cell)
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tools still for sale?
From: Jdaniel343@bresnan.netTo: rv-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV-List:
Tools for SaleDate: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:38:59 -0600
Sorry for that going out on the RV list
John D
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Right on Dean, I'll second that.
Paul Rice
RV8
Republican
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| Subject: | Sun N Fun Review |
Not impressed.
Volunteers running the taxi squad mostly confused both in an out. Friends have
the same stories.
I camped with HBC and surrounded by RV's. All cool looking by the way. My Moose
had 3 DC-3's taxi by with their wings over my aircrafts nose all the way
to the wing? WTFO?
When I went to leave Sunday, they sent me the wrong way twice. Adding about
20 min to my taxi time.
Mass confusion IMHO.
Any other observations?
__________________________________________________
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Welcome Sam,
You will not find more willing and expert help on RV Building thoughts,
ideas, or information than anywhere else in the world. Good luck on your
RV-9 project. You couldn't have picked a nicer airplane than an RV.
Tim
Do Not Archive
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harrell Staton
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:05 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: New Member
>
>
> Folks -
> Just joined the group, thought I would take a little time to
> introduce myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville,
> FL. I presently fly a 1952 Piper TriPacer, with a 150HP O-320 (which
> will eventually power my RV-9!). Since all of my building experience
> in the past has been in wood and composite, I am a blank page when it
> comes to working in metal. That is one of the many reasons for
> settling on an RV. I am going to have to build a suite of tools, and
> in that vein, would be very interested in hearing from anyone on the
> list who has surplus or unneeded tools they would be willing to part
> with. Thanks!
>
> Sam Staton
> pj260@bellsouth.net
> 2552 Chesterbrook Ct.
> Jacksonville, FL 32224-3849
> 904-223-9627 (Home)
> 904-742-3091 (Cell)
>
>
>
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| Subject: | tip-up F-697 question |
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Review |
I enjoyed my (13th?) visit to Snf. After landing on Thursday AM, I had
the privledge of taxiing behind the slowest taxiing airplane (Glasair 1)
I've ever seen. I was afraid I'd wear out my brakes taxiing to the
homebuilt ramp.
When I arrived the West GA camping area was sparse, but filled in pretty
well by Friday/Saturday. By the way, Thurs/Fri/Sat all had excellent
weather. Despite SPF 15 sunscreen and a big ugly hat, I still got a
mild burn.
The Thunderbirds were very good. They "practiced' on Thursday and Friday
and had a show on Saturday. By all appearances, practices and shows are
essentially the same. The downside to this is that 1/3 of the
campground is closed during the practices/shows, which is a hassle if
you want to go have a seat at camp during that 2 hour window. Also, on
Thursday, they didn't practice at the designated time, so people were
blocked from their campsites (and food, cars, etc) for far longer than
expected. While the show was good, I'd submit that having a big act
like this at SnF or Osh for several days in a row isn't a good fit for a
fly-in type event.
As always, the night airshow (Friday Night) was spectacular.
The winds were calm enough on Saturday that they were able to launch the
balloons. My count was 20+ including one with the envelope shaped like
a dog - 4 legs, tail, ears, etc...
I still miss the Sun 100, but understand that it is probably too large
of a liability risk in today's society. It used to give me chill bumps
watching airplanes people had built in their garages cross the finish
line at 200 to 300 mph...
Avionics were the real show. Many new products, particularly in the
world of EFIS products. The obvious question to me is how many of these
manufacturers will be around in 5 years? I can't imagine that the
market for $5k-$20k components for experimental panels is big enough to
support all of these manufacturers over the long term.
Of course, with all the RV-10's around, there may be enough market.
There were probably 10 RV-10's at the show, most sporting a $50k panel.
Two or three of 'em were for sale.
I'm interested in XM weather and continue to hope for a portable unit
from Lowrance. "Soon" was all they could tell me. Anywhere Map had a
new product based on a HP automotive GPS. Looked interesting, but I'd
really prefer a "one box" solution (like the 396/496) vs a solution that
has multiple components.
After yesterday's show, I started checking weather and made a last
minute decision to fly home last night because the wind and weather
forecasts here in Atlanta for Sunday/Monday were beyond my abilites. I
escaped the show at about 7:20 (10 minutes before they closed the field)
and had a smooth 3 hour trip home. The landing was in a direct
crosswind, 10 G 16. Surprisingly easy. Maybe I caught a break on the
gusts. Today, the crosswind at the home runway is 20+ with gusts.
Yuck. Several friends are stuck in S. GA waiting on better winds...
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6 N46KB
----- Original Message -----
From: Eddie Moran
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: RV-List: Sun N Fun Review
Not impressed.
Volunteers running the taxi squad mostly confused both in an out.
Friends have the same stories.
I camped with HBC and surrounded by RV's. All cool looking by the
way. My Moose had 3 DC-3's taxi by with their wings over my aircrafts
nose all the way to the wing? WTFO?
When I went to leave Sunday, they sent me the wrong way twice.
Adding about 20 min to my taxi time.
Mass confusion IMHO.
Any other observations?
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| Subject: | Tires and Brake Pads |
What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I have 135
hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and the brake pads are
worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said the original tires shipped
with the kit aren't supposed to last more than 100 hours........ditto with
the brake pads. This doesn't make sense to me. What kind of experience do
others have? Also, any recommendations on what brand of tires to replace
them with?
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
garrys@tampabay.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and Brake Pads |
Is your wear primarily on the outside edge of the main gear tires? If so,
reverse the tires on the wheels and you'll probably get 100 more hours.
There is a lot of back and forth in the archives on tires. I'm using
Michelins (and airstop tubes) myself.
My understanding is that the -A models use more brakes than the tailwheel
versions since brakes are the only steering mechanism. That said, I've
replaced the pads once on my -6 in over 500 hours.
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6 N46KB
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads
>
> What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I have 135
> hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and the brake pads
> are worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said the original tires
> shipped with the kit aren't supposed to last more than 100
> hours........ditto with the brake pads. This doesn't make sense to me.
> What kind of experience do others have? Also, any recommendations on what
> brand of tires to replace them with?
>
> Garry Stout
> Tampa, FL
> garrys@tampabay.rr.com
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Tires and Brake Pads |
300 hours on my 8A. This included a lot of cross country however.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (wings)
Dogwood Airpark (VA42)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads
What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I have 135
hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and the brake pads are
worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said the original tires shipped
with the kit aren't supposed to last more than 100 hours........ditto with
the brake pads. This doesn't make sense to me. What kind of experience do
others have? Also, any recommendations on what brand of tires to replace
them with?
Garry Stout
Tampa, FL
garrys@tampabay.rr.com
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and Brake Pads |
I rotated the original tires on my 6A at about 100 hours then replaced them
at 160 hours. My brakes were at about 90% worn when I replaced them at 187
hours.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:38 PM
Subject: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads
>
> What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I have 135
> hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and the brake pads
> are worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said the original tires
> shipped with the kit aren't supposed to last more than 100
> hours........ditto with the brake pads. This doesn't make sense to me.
> What kind of experience do others have? Also, any recommendations on what
> brand of tires to replace them with?
>
> Garry Stout
> Tampa, FL
> garrys@tampabay.rr.com
>
>
>
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Fellow RV- Builders
I would personally like to thank all of you who visited our booth
this year at Sun-n-Fun. Although we had been to the show many times,
this was our first time as an exhibitor and we really enjoyed the warm
welcome and encouragement that you all provided. It was certainly a
thrill to demonstrate Safety-Trim and our Intelligent Flap Controller
for so many people.
Again, Many thanks for your support!
Bob Newman
Jason Adams
TCW Technologies
www.tcwtech.com
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Review |
Just back from S 'n F myself. Not the best day for it but I flew in Sunday
before opening (bad wx). First flight with significant
weather in-route with XM weather on board and that one flight made the
year's subscription a good investment. What would have been a nerve
wracking flight without it was only mildly interesting (and fun of course).
The challenge will be resisting overconfidence.
Seemed slow this year, sort of disorganized, REALLY stupid camper
registration and traffic routing (IMO), a pox on whoever it was that axed
the SUN 100, etc, etc. But it's somewhere to fly and meet friends and "fly
the rotary flag" so I go and probably will again.
Tracy Crook
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| Subject: | Sun N Fun Review |
Here is my video of the Thunderbirds, Patty Flagstaff, and a few others.
Dedicated to those that missed it, especially due to weather or high fuel
cost.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5lsWBkI3es
The flagmen on the taxiways looked tired to me, I am thankful I don't have
to do it. One parker did me a great service on my arrival, another at
departure did his best to make me forget that but failed.
Hope you enjoy the video,
Dale
RV6a (N241BD) 1000+ hrs
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Several friends are stuck in S. GA waiting on better winds...
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6 N46KB
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From: Eddie <mailto:lizzardracing@yahoo.com> Moran
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: RV-List: Sun N Fun Review
Not impressed.
Volunteers running the taxi squad mostly confused both in an out. Friends
have the same stories.
I camped with HBC and surrounded by RV's. All cool looking by the way.
My Moose had 3 DC-3's taxi by with their wings over my aircrafts nose all
the way to the wing? WTFO?
When I went to leave Sunday, they sent me the wrong way twice. Adding
about 20 min to my taxi time.
Mass confusion IMHO.
Any other observations?
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I'm looking for any and all tools needed for a quickbuild RV-8. Thanks.
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| Subject: | For Sale - Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) Kit |
My name is Kelly Meiste, I'm an EAA member (#623517) living in
northwestern Illinois. I'm currently flying a Zenith Zodiac 601
(N601KM) that my son & I built back in 2002.
The reason I'm writing to the RV list is to ask if anyone would be
interested in purchasing a Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) kit that
I manufacture.
I'm sorry if anyone considers this message to be "Spam", if so please
stop reading and delete this message now.
To the rest of you I would like to offer an added safety feature for
your plane, and its occupants which should be required in all homebuilt
aircraft in my opinion. And offer it to you at a price that most
everyone can afford.
I originally fabricated a kit to use only on my plane. It worked so
well that others have asked me to build one for them as well. It's now
turned into a part time job, and as I'm hoping to retire soon I'm now
looking into building these kits full time to keep me busy when I'm not
flying.
My kit is priced at less than half the cost of the kits currently on the
market ($175 plus shipping), so I believe it's a good value for the
money. It comes complete and ready to install in most any aircraft
currently flying, or still under construction. Installation is fast and
easy, normally only a few hours of your time will do it.
If you would like to see my kit please visit my website
lri.kit.googlepages.com
Anyone wanting more info, or just ask questions, please contact me off
the list at kellymeiste@jcwifi.com
Thank you very much for your time, and once again I apologize to anyone
who considers my posting to be "Spam".
Kelly Meiste
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| Subject: | Re: For Sale - Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) Kit |
In a message dated 4/13/2008 6:39:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
kellymeiste@jcwifi.com writes:
The reason I=99m writing to the RV list is to ask if anyone would be
interested in purchasing a Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) kit that I m
anufacture.
I will add you to my Yeller Pages. Please be supportive of your customer
base. ;o)
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 887hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and Brake Pads |
I had just the left tire wearing on the outside faster then the right and
swapping them got me to 140 hours before changing to Michelins. I had just one
brake pad wear from too much pressure in one direction because the brake line
got tweaked and put pressure on that side. I'm told the original tires are
not known for there longevity.
Larry Gagnon
RV6 N6LG 160 hrs
RV6A N3158Y Going to airport soon
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and Brake Pads |
Since I keep track of my number of landings and have done so for the
last 11 years, I would like to comment on this. I hear this same
question a lot, and it is a good one, of interest to all. One thing
to understand why tires sometimes go in a hurry, is the rod spring
gear. A marvelous design, elegantly simple. But in lieu of shock
absorbing oleos, it uses a sprongy motion which scrubs the tires upon
landing and uses the friction thus to dissipate the landing shock.
My plane is an RV-6A. Since I am a cheapskate, I can assure you I use
all known methods to extend brake and tire wear. I have logged 3600
landings in my 2100 hours. About 1.8 landings per hour.
first to answer the question. My average landings per set has been
between 250 and 500. Brakes are around 700. Most folks are in this
range. Based on my numbers I would say you are doing well on tires,
and not quite as well as you could on brakes. I would check for
scorching, and other signs of dragging brakes.
My opinion of why the huge variation? Some variables: type of tire,
type of use (surface), braking/steering habits, landing/takeoff
speeds, number if touch and goes, average weight.
I reverse the tires when halfway through, and the outside gets smooth.
My longest wearing tires have been the cheapest and the most
expensive. Cheapest being the retreads , most expensive being the
Goodyear FC III. My current philosophy is go for the middle grade.
The retreads and FCIII are too heavy for my taste and I think more
prone to shake. I love the new low leak tubes, and like to keep a
higher pressure than most in the mains, 40psi.
I prefer the other brand of pads (RAPCO). Wear is about the same as
Cleveland, but Rapco has a wear indicator, which really helps me to
check in the dim light under the wheel.
My personal opinion is the best thing you can do to minimize yuor tire
and brake wear is land and take off at the minimum speed. But if you
are more comfortable landing fast go ahead, it won't break the bank.
One last bit of free advice. Don't run on smooth tires. When you get
both halves worn smooth, replace them, and the tubes please.
DLW
On Apr 13, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Garry wrote:
>
> What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I
> have 135 hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and
> the brake pads are worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said
> the original tires shipped with the kit aren't supposed to last more
> than 100 hours........ditto with the brake pads. This doesn't make
> sense to me. What kind of experience do others have? Also, any
> recommendations on what brand of tires to replace them with?
>
> Garry Stout
> Tampa, FL
> garrys@tampabay.rr.com
>
>
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| Subject: | Off topic and off the list |
In my opinion Mr. Maib is right on "Target".
I've been a member of this list for 7 years now. Early on I found it to
be a valuable tool in attaining building advice, techniques, and answers
to questions that were probably very basic, but important to me because
I was a new builder and needed help. Some things I just didn't know. I,
like most, had never build an airplane before. Later the discussions
about various products including everything from propellers to tail
wheels... canopies to tires were all good topics of value to most any
builder. And even later, the discussions on Service Bulletins and
AD's.... Again good stuff. Very pertinent.
After finishing and flying my aircraft I have continued to monitor the
list and took pride in being able to pass along to others on occasion
what I had learned while building. I was happy to share my opinion on
techniques or products that worked well for me. I figured I owed
something back for the help the list provided to me. I think sharing
knowledge and time with other builders is a fundamental part of what
makes building such a rewarding experience. This list was an important
link to that unknown. Without the advice and help of others my project
would not be what it is today. I'm sure your's is, or will, be no
different.
For some time now I have grown tired of the off subject topics that, do
have their place on some forum somewhere, but in my opinion, not on this
forum. There are all sorts of forums one can participate in for nearly
any topic one wishes to explore. (republican or democrat) Take your
business there but leave this site as it was designed to be...an RV
builders forum.
Don't bother to flame me, it will go unheard. I have cancelled my
subscription. To the new builders, good luck. Once in a while, way down
there in the subject lines amid the posts on the "P word" and "whatever"
you may get your answer, better yet. search the archives. While
cluttered with impertinent posts by those not knowing or wishing to add
those three simple words "Do not Archive", one will usually find the
answer you are searching for....the one about building an RV.
Steve Struyk, RV-8
"N842S.... Out"
Do Not Archive
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