---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sun 04/13/08: 31 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:01 AM - The" P" Word (DEAN PSIROPOULOS) 2. 03:20 AM - Re: RV Safety Record (jan) 3. 04:26 AM - Re: The" P" Word (David Maib) 4. 05:05 AM - Re: OT: aluminum panel (RALPH HOOVER) 5. 05:36 AM - Re: The" P" Word (RALPH HOOVER) 6. 05:39 AM - Re: The" P" Word (RALPH HOOVER) 7. 06:13 AM - Re: The" P" Word (N395V) 8. 06:24 AM - Re: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? (N395V) 9. 06:52 AM - The right to fly thing (Charles Heathco) 10. 08:47 AM - Re: Accident one fatal (Tracy Crook) 11. 09:58 AM - Re: battery update, Bill Dube (Gordon or Marge) 12. 10:08 AM - New Member (Harrell Staton) 13. 11:34 AM - Re: Tools for Sale (Michael Karatsonyi) 14. 01:23 PM - Re: The" P" Word (Paul Rice) 15. 01:42 PM - Sun N Fun Review (Eddie Moran) 16. 02:02 PM - Re: New Member (Tim Bryan) 17. 02:34 PM - tip-up F-697 question (ceengland@bellsouth.net) 18. 02:34 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Review (Kyle Boatright) 19. 03:42 PM - Tires and Brake Pads (Garry) 20. 04:01 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Kyle Boatright) 21. 04:05 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Carl Froehlich) 22. 04:12 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Dale Ensing) 23. 05:13 PM - Sun-n-Fun '08 (Bob-tcw) 24. 06:04 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Review (Tracy Crook) 25. 06:19 PM - Re: Sun N Fun Review (Dale Walter) 26. 06:25 PM - tools wanted (Matt Kuperus) 27. 06:37 PM - For Sale - Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) Kit (Kelly Meiste) 28. 06:52 PM - Re: For Sale - Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) Kit (Vanremog@AOL.COM) 29. 06:56 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Larygagnon@aol.com) 30. 07:29 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Denis Walsh) 31. 07:55 PM - Off topic and off the list (Steve Struyk) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:01:57 AM PST US From: "DEAN PSIROPOULOS" Subject: RV-List: The" P" Word The P (privilege) word is often invoked by egotistical bureaucrats and politicians who can't stand the fact that THEY are not KINGS of their particular territory. I too get sick of hearing the P word from this crowd and...from citizens of our country who drink the cool aid these officials are selling. These folks tend follow along like sheep because they don't realize that every time they go along with a new law they let the camel's nose under the tent a little further. Next thing you know, there's nothing left because the activity is prohibited. Are you one of those blind followers of the "all knowing all seeing" government Gary. How about when the American Socialist party takes over the presidency and begins to pander to the global warming special interests in the environmentalist movement? Did you know that radical environmentalists are calling for euthanasia of humans in the name of "saving the planet"? Even that great purveyor of television cable news, Ted Turner, was shooting his mouth off on PBS last week about how the planet cannot survive if we don't do something about the increasing number of human beings!!! Do you look at your life as a "privilege" Gary? Are you willing to give it up in the name of "saving the planet"? How about your wife? Your children? You going to agree to give up the "privilege" of their lives to a government edict? Intelligent people don't follow power hungry career lawyer politicians over the proverbial cliff just because they like someone's agenda. Yes it doesn't say in the US Constitution (or any of its amendments) that flying is a right (if the founding fathers had experienced the wonder of flying they certainly would have made it one). But... throughout most of the history of our country things were NOT generally prohibited if they did not interfere with the rights of others. Unfortunately, now days people have been dumbed down by public education and a lack of facts. Politicians have become more brazen about how it's the government's "RIGHT" to control everyone and everything because some special interest says so (and mainstream news media tends to not question any politician who goes against our constitutional rights unless of course it's their first amendment right to spout mindless socialist crap)! If we continue down the present path, it won't be long until you'll all have to call Ted Kennedy for permission to wipe your rear ends after you defecate. That means a lot of good hardworking people are going to have to take time to be inconvenienced. I'm talking about all of you taking time off from work/play/etc to go to your respective city council meetings, state Capitols, and even Washington DC to make more noise than the control freak special interests who think that a bunch of lawyers (who know nothing about anything except that they can fix EVERYTHING if only they pass more laws telling us what to do and take more of our money) can force us all to do their bidding. I've lived long enough to remember the TV footage of the bread lines, shoe lines and persecution that went on in the old Soviet Union and it'll be a cold day in &%^*$ before I let a bunch of politicians pull that Marxist crap in this country. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Radical Libertarian ________________________ Original Message ______________________________ From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? I cannot find ANY sources that says that flying is a RIGHT. Please provide SOURCES for that statement. Gary A. Sobek ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 03:20:36 AM PST US From: jan Subject: RE: RV-List: RV Safety Record Hi Tom & Cathy, Hope you are doing well !! I am still working on my RV6 ... wings now.... Oh so slow ;-) .... Doing it the "hard way" ... I think the RV range is now "so easy to build" that the need for a "builders help list" like this is greatly reduced ...... Take care ... and happy flying !! Jan _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom & Cathy Ervin Sent: 12 April 2008 15:06 Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Safety Record Jake, Unfortunately some people in this great country must assume they live under a form of socialism. As you are obviously aware we live in a Republic which requires a great deal of individual responsibility. Socialism relies on the government to guide them in most aspects of their lives. Thank God this is a Republic. I have been on this form for 9 years and this will be my last post. RV building and technical discussions have been replaced by people more interested in determining how the government should run our lives. By the way Jake if you are serving our country in Baghdad..."Thanks for your service!!" Do Not Archive Tom in Ohio (RV6-A) taken over by standing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jake Crause" Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:08:18 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Safety Record >>>>>Flying is a privilege not a right.<<<< Why do people keep saying that? I see that sentiment often on several different forums. The attitude seems to be that the government is doing us a favor by "allowing" us to fly. Last I checked, government serves us, not the other way around. That being said, we allow our government to ensure that there are standards and that is a good thing for the public in general. We can't infringe on other peoples rights to NOT have an airplane crash through their roof because of unreasonable behavior. Just my opinion. Jake Crause Baghdad, Iraq

Hi Tom & Cathy,

 

Hope you are doing well !! I am still working on my RV6 … wings now…. Oh so slow ;-) …. Doing it the “hard way” …

 

I think the RV range is now “so easy to build” that the need for a “builders help list” like this is greatly reduced ……

 

Take care … and happy flying !!

 

Jan

 

From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom & Cathy Ervin
Sent: 12 April 2008 15:06
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Safety Record

 

Jake, Unfortunately some people in this great country must assume they live under a form of socialism. As you are obviously aware we live in a Republic which requires a great deal of individual responsibility.

      &nb sp;Socialism relies on the government to guide them in most aspects of their lives. Thank God this is a Republic.

  I have been on this form for 9 years and this will be my last post. RV building and technical discussions have been replaced by people more interested in determining how the government should run our lives.

 By the way Jake if you are serving our country in Baghdad..."Thanks for your service!!"

      &nb sp;   Do Not Archive            ;             ;        Tom in Ohio (RV6-A)

 

 

 taken over by  standing   ----- Original Message -----
From: "Jake Crause" <jakecrause@yahoo.com>
Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 1:08:18 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV Safety Record

>>>>>Flying is a privilege not a right.<<<<

 

Why do people keep saying that?  I see that  sentiment often on several different forums.  The attitude seems to be that the government is doing us a favor by "allowing" us to fly.  Last I checked, government serves us, not the other way around.  That being said, we allow our government to ensure that there are standards and that is a good thing for the public in general.  We can't infringe on other peoples rights to NOT have an airplane crash through their roof because of unreasonable behavior.

 

Just my opinion.

 

Jake Crause

Baghdad, Iraq

 

 
 
________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 04:26:16 AM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV-List: The" P" Word Why don't we take this to another forum and get back to RV issues? David Maib On Apr 13, 2008, at 2:57 AM, DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: The P (privilege) word is often invoked by egotistical bureaucrats and politicians who can't stand the fact that THEY are not KINGS of their particular territory. I too get sick of hearing the P word from this crowd and...from citizens of our country who drink the cool aid these officials are selling. These folks tend follow along like sheep because they don't realize that every time they go along with a new law they let the camel's nose under the tent a little further. Next thing you know, there's nothing left because the activity is prohibited. Are you one of those blind followers of the "all knowing all seeing" government Gary. How about when the American Socialist party takes over the presidency and begins to pander to the global warming special interests in the environmentalist movement? Did you know that radical environmentalists are calling for euthanasia of humans in the name of "saving the planet"? Even that great purveyor of television cable news, Ted Turner, was shooting his mouth off on PBS last week about how the planet cannot survive if we don't do something about the increasing number of human beings!!! Do you look at your life as a "privilege" Gary? Are you willing to give it up in the name of "saving the planet"? How about your wife? Your children? You going to agree to give up the "privilege" of their lives to a government edict? Intelligent people don't follow power hungry career lawyer politicians over the proverbial cliff just because they like someone's agenda. Yes it doesn't say in the US Constitution (or any of its amendments) that flying is a right (if the founding fathers had experienced the wonder of flying they certainly would have made it one). But... throughout most of the history of our country things were NOT generally prohibited if they did not interfere with the rights of others. Unfortunately, now days people have been dumbed down by public education and a lack of facts. Politicians have become more brazen about how it's the government's "RIGHT" to control everyone and everything because some special interest says so (and mainstream news media tends to not question any politician who goes against our constitutional rights unless of course it's their first amendment right to spout mindless socialist crap)! If we continue down the present path, it won't be long until you'll all have to call Ted Kennedy for permission to wipe your rear ends after you defecate. That means a lot of good hardworking people are going to have to take time to be inconvenienced. I'm talking about all of you taking time off from work/play/etc to go to your respective city council meetings, state Capitols, and even Washington DC to make more noise than the control freak special interests who think that a bunch of lawyers (who know nothing about anything except that they can fix EVERYTHING if only they pass more laws telling us what to do and take more of our money) can force us all to do their bidding. I've lived long enough to remember the TV footage of the bread lines, shoe lines and persecution that went on in the old Soviet Union and it'll be a cold day in &%^*$ before I let a bunch of politicians pull that Marxist crap in this country. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Radical Libertarian ________________________ Original Message ______________________________ From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? I cannot find ANY sources that says that flying is a RIGHT. Please provide SOURCES for that statement. Gary A. Sobek ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 05:05:17 AM PST US From: "RALPH HOOVER" Subject: RE: RV-List: OT: aluminum panel Chris, Try Front Panel Express http://www.frontpanelexpress.com/. They have made several panels for my RV7 and they came out well and the price was reasonable. They have a S/W package that you may use for the layout and then get a quote and place an order with a few key strokes. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Chris W Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:40 PM Subject: RV-List: OT: aluminum panel I was wondering if anyone has some spare aluminum sheet and would be willing to make a panel for me for a reasonable fee? I still need to acquire a few parts before I am sure on all the dimensions but attached is an image of what I need. I will of course fill in all the dimensions when I have the design finished in a few weeks. I am looking for something that is between 1/16" and 1/8" thick. -- Chris W KE5GIX "Protect your digital freedom and privacy, eliminate DRM, learn more at http://www.defectivebydesign.org/what_is_drm" Ham Radio Repeater Database. http://hrrdb.com ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:36:36 AM PST US From: "RALPH HOOVER" Subject: RE: RV-List: The" P" Word Dean, Well said. Something to think about next time you pull the lever for any of those Lawyer Politicians who think their safety is more important than your rights. Of course I'm speaking of the DC ADIZ (file a flight plan to do touch and go's) unless you are at one of the DC 3 airports then you must be vetted by the pinhead bureaucrats to even enter or leave the airspace. Then there are the ever present and expanding no fly zones. When will people wake up and realize that the risks are well worth the rewards and accept those risks. Instead we are quick to give up our rights to feel like there is greater safety. We all pay dearly for all the unnecessary BS in both taxes and loss of freedom. Anyone fly commercial lately. Last time I flew I was searched because I failed to take my watch off, and remove a pack of gum from my shirt pocket. They X-Rayed the gum!! I felt so much safer!! Your tax dollars at work. But hey soon those landing fees, ATC fees, briefing fees ... will pay for it all. We are well along down the slippery slope, time to put on the brakes. Ralph KHWY just outside the DC ADIZ RV7A -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of DEAN PSIROPOULOS Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 3:57 AM Subject: RV-List: The" P" Word The P (privilege) word is often invoked by egotistical bureaucrats and politicians who can't stand the fact that THEY are not KINGS of their particular territory. I too get sick of hearing the P word from this crowd and...from citizens of our country who drink the cool aid these officials are selling. These folks tend follow along like sheep because they don't realize that every time they go along with a new law they let the camel's nose under the tent a little further. Next thing you know, there's nothing left because the activity is prohibited. Are you one of those blind followers of the "all knowing all seeing" government Gary. How about when the American Socialist party takes over the presidency and begins to pander to the global warming special interests in the environmentalist movement? Did you know that radical environmentalists are calling for euthanasia of humans in the name of "saving the planet"? Even that great purveyor of television cable news, Ted Turner, was shooting his mouth off on PBS last week about how the planet cannot survive if we don't do something about the increasing number of human beings!!! Do you look at your life as a "privilege" Gary? Are you willing to give it up in the name of "saving the planet"? How about your wife? Your children? You going to agree to give up the "privilege" of their lives to a government edict? Intelligent people don't follow power hungry career lawyer politicians over the proverbial cliff just because they like someone's agenda. Yes it doesn't say in the US Constitution (or any of its amendments) that flying is a right (if the founding fathers had experienced the wonder of flying they certainly would have made it one). But... throughout most of the history of our country things were NOT generally prohibited if they did not interfere with the rights of others. Unfortunately, now days people have been dumbed down by public education and a lack of facts. Politicians have become more brazen about how it's the government's "RIGHT" to control everyone and everything because some special interest says so (and mainstream news media tends to not question any politician who goes against our constitutional rights unless of course it's their first amendment right to spout mindless socialist crap)! If we continue down the present path, it won't be long until you'll all have to call Ted Kennedy for permission to wipe your rear ends after you defecate. That means a lot of good hardworking people are going to have to take time to be inconvenienced. I'm talking about all of you taking time off from work/play/etc to go to your respective city council meetings, state Capitols, and even Washington DC to make more noise than the control freak special interests who think that a bunch of lawyers (who know nothing about anything except that they can fix EVERYTHING if only they pass more laws telling us what to do and take more of our money) can force us all to do their bidding. I've lived long enough to remember the TV footage of the bread lines, shoe lines and persecution that went on in the old Soviet Union and it'll be a cold day in &%^*$ before I let a bunch of politicians pull that Marxist crap in this country. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Radical Libertarian ________________________ Original Message ______________________________ From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? I cannot find ANY sources that says that flying is a RIGHT. Please provide SOURCES for that statement. Gary A. Sobek ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 05:39:30 AM PST US From: "RALPH HOOVER" Subject: RE: RV-List: The" P" Word It is an RV issue if the rights to build and fly are infringed or eliminated. We are heading that direction. Ralph -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Maib Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 7:21 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: The" P" Word Why don't we take this to another forum and get back to RV issues? David Maib On Apr 13, 2008, at 2:57 AM, DEAN PSIROPOULOS wrote: The P (privilege) word is often invoked by egotistical bureaucrats and politicians who can't stand the fact that THEY are not KINGS of their particular territory. I too get sick of hearing the P word from this crowd and...from citizens of our country who drink the cool aid these officials are selling. These folks tend follow along like sheep because they don't realize that every time they go along with a new law they let the camel's nose under the tent a little further. Next thing you know, there's nothing left because the activity is prohibited. Are you one of those blind followers of the "all knowing all seeing" government Gary. How about when the American Socialist party takes over the presidency and begins to pander to the global warming special interests in the environmentalist movement? Did you know that radical environmentalists are calling for euthanasia of humans in the name of "saving the planet"? Even that great purveyor of television cable news, Ted Turner, was shooting his mouth off on PBS last week about how the planet cannot survive if we don't do something about the increasing number of human beings!!! Do you look at your life as a "privilege" Gary? Are you willing to give it up in the name of "saving the planet"? How about your wife? Your children? You going to agree to give up the "privilege" of their lives to a government edict? Intelligent people don't follow power hungry career lawyer politicians over the proverbial cliff just because they like someone's agenda. Yes it doesn't say in the US Constitution (or any of its amendments) that flying is a right (if the founding fathers had experienced the wonder of flying they certainly would have made it one). But... throughout most of the history of our country things were NOT generally prohibited if they did not interfere with the rights of others. Unfortunately, now days people have been dumbed down by public education and a lack of facts. Politicians have become more brazen about how it's the government's "RIGHT" to control everyone and everything because some special interest says so (and mainstream news media tends to not question any politician who goes against our constitutional rights unless of course it's their first amendment right to spout mindless socialist crap)! If we continue down the present path, it won't be long until you'll all have to call Ted Kennedy for permission to wipe your rear ends after you defecate. That means a lot of good hardworking people are going to have to take time to be inconvenienced. I'm talking about all of you taking time off from work/play/etc to go to your respective city council meetings, state Capitols, and even Washington DC to make more noise than the control freak special interests who think that a bunch of lawyers (who know nothing about anything except that they can fix EVERYTHING if only they pass more laws telling us what to do and take more of our money) can force us all to do their bidding. I've lived long enough to remember the TV footage of the bread lines, shoe lines and persecution that went on in the old Soviet Union and it'll be a cold day in &%^*$ before I let a bunch of politicians pull that Marxist crap in this country. Dean Psiropoulos RV-6A N197DM Radical Libertarian ________________________ Original Message ______________________________ From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? I cannot find ANY sources that says that flying is a RIGHT. Please provide SOURCES for that statement. Gary A. Sobek ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 06:13:05 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: The" P" Word From: "N395V" > Why don't we take this to another forum and get back to RV issues? > > David Maib > > Why? Is discussing anything political a privilege rather than a right. For Christ's sake if you don't like the thread don't read it. If it pops up in your e mail delete it. Or maybe you can run for Congress and craft legislation to infringe on our RIGHTS. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176528#176528 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:26 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: Flying - Privilege or Right ??? From: "N395V" I do not take issue with regulation for the purpose of public safety ie requirements for training, currency, adequate health and do not view that as depriving me of my right to fly. Same goes for military and other restricted airspace to provide for safety and the common defense. A privilege is something that can be revoked without cause and I find no basis in law that would allow the fed to do that relative to my right to fly. I agree with others that when we endorse buzzwords or buzz phrases spit out by politicians such as "flying is a privilege and not a right" then we are de facto making their statements correct. This, in my opinion, is not a good thing to do as it ultimately assists them in their goal of eroding our rights. At the moment though our right to fly has its biggest challenge in the form of fuel prices rather than an overzealous government. -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=176530#176530 ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 06:52:03 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: RV-List: The right to fly thing I see its still going so heres my take. I met all the requirements to earn my coml, multi ticket which gives me the "right" to fly. I screw up and they can and will take that away for a period of time, if its bad enuf, forever. Personally, I consider it a privledge because I am blessed with the good health and the skills to do so. Charles Heathco ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:47:29 AM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: Accident one fatal I'm all for safety but I suspect if we eliminated fun from flying, the sky would have very few homebuilts in it. In general, if it isn't fun, why bother? Tracy Crook (just back from Sun 'n *Fun*) bert murillo wrote: I =do not fly my Rv just for fun... > .I really use > it to go from point A to point B...travelling > is the ultimate goal..just..punching holes in the sky > does this will improve your flying skills?/ > > Any how, lets prove that Rv pilots are alittle > better than the rest of general aviation....would not > be great, if for 2008 there will not be a single > accident?? > > > See you at Sun and Fun > > Robert > > rv6a > > do nbot archive > > > __________________________________________________ > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:58:44 AM PST US From: "Gordon or Marge" Subject: RE: RV-List: battery update, Bill Dube -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bill Dube Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 6:29 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: battery update, Bill Dube Sure, smaller is easy. The increments are 2.3 a-hrs and 120 cranking amps. The cells are 26650 size. That is, they are ~ 26 mm in diameter and ~65 mm long. To make a battery that is nominally 12 volts, we put 4 in series. We them parallel up as many as required to get the amp-hrs and cranking amps we need. Bill: Have reread your letter and have a some questions. My RV-8 will have Precision's Eagle system that needs a backup battery. They provide a maintainer and automatic switching unit and 3-4 AH is desireable but draw would only be 2 amps if called upon. What would you suggest? Also, I note that Chrysler showed a LiIon battery pack in a concept vehicle that claims 64KWH. How much would such a unit weigh? What is the capacity of your motorcycle unit? I notice that GM is still evaluating A123 batteries in an accelerated lifetime test. What is the status of your project? Thank you very much. Gordon Comfort ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:13 AM PST US From: Harrell Staton Subject: RV-List: New Member Folks - Just joined the group, thought I would take a little time to introduce myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville, FL. I presently fly a 1952 Piper TriPacer, with a 150HP O-320 (which will eventually power my RV-9!). Since all of my building experience in the past has been in wood and composite, I am a blank page when it comes to working in metal. That is one of the many reasons for settling on an RV. I am going to have to build a suite of tools, and in that vein, would be very interested in hearing from anyone on the list who has surplus or unneeded tools they would be willing to part with. Thanks! Sam Staton pj260@bellsouth.net 2552 Chesterbrook Ct. Jacksonville, FL 32224-3849 904-223-9627 (Home) 904-742-3091 (Cell) ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:27 AM PST US From: Michael Karatsonyi Subject: RE: RV-List: Tools for Sale tools still for sale? From: Jdaniel343@bresnan.netTo: rv-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV-List: Tools for SaleDate: Sat, 12 Apr 2008 09:38:59 -0600 Sorry for that going out on the RV list John D _________________________________________________________________ Use video conversation to talk face-to-face with Windows Live Messenger. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/connect_your_way.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM _WL_Refresh_messenger_video_042008 ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 01:23:33 PM PST US From: Paul Rice Subject: RE: RV-List: The" P" Word Right on Dean, I'll second that. Paul Rice RV8 Republican ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 01:42:17 PM PST US From: Eddie Moran Subject: RV-List: Sun N Fun Review Not impressed. Volunteers running the taxi squad mostly confused both in an out. Friends have the same stories. I camped with HBC and surrounded by RV's. All cool looking by the way. My Moose had 3 DC-3's taxi by with their wings over my aircrafts nose all the way to the wing? WTFO? When I went to leave Sunday, they sent me the wrong way twice. Adding about 20 min to my taxi time. Mass confusion IMHO. Any other observations? __________________________________________________ ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 02:02:00 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: New Member Welcome Sam, You will not find more willing and expert help on RV Building thoughts, ideas, or information than anywhere else in the world. Good luck on your RV-9 project. You couldn't have picked a nicer airplane than an RV. Tim Do Not Archive > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Harrell Staton > Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 12:05 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: New Member > > > Folks - > Just joined the group, thought I would take a little time to > introduce myself. My name is Sam Staton, and I live in Jacksonville, > FL. I presently fly a 1952 Piper TriPacer, with a 150HP O-320 (which > will eventually power my RV-9!). Since all of my building experience > in the past has been in wood and composite, I am a blank page when it > comes to working in metal. That is one of the many reasons for > settling on an RV. I am going to have to build a suite of tools, and > in that vein, would be very interested in hearing from anyone on the > list who has surplus or unneeded tools they would be willing to part > with. Thanks! > > Sam Staton > pj260@bellsouth.net > 2552 Chesterbrook Ct. > Jacksonville, FL 32224-3849 > 904-223-9627 (Home) > 904-742-3091 (Cell) > > > ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:09 PM PST US From: ceengland@bellsouth.net Subject: RV-List: tip-up F-697 question ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:34:43 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Sun N Fun Review I enjoyed my (13th?) visit to Snf. After landing on Thursday AM, I had the privledge of taxiing behind the slowest taxiing airplane (Glasair 1) I've ever seen. I was afraid I'd wear out my brakes taxiing to the homebuilt ramp. When I arrived the West GA camping area was sparse, but filled in pretty well by Friday/Saturday. By the way, Thurs/Fri/Sat all had excellent weather. Despite SPF 15 sunscreen and a big ugly hat, I still got a mild burn. The Thunderbirds were very good. They "practiced' on Thursday and Friday and had a show on Saturday. By all appearances, practices and shows are essentially the same. The downside to this is that 1/3 of the campground is closed during the practices/shows, which is a hassle if you want to go have a seat at camp during that 2 hour window. Also, on Thursday, they didn't practice at the designated time, so people were blocked from their campsites (and food, cars, etc) for far longer than expected. While the show was good, I'd submit that having a big act like this at SnF or Osh for several days in a row isn't a good fit for a fly-in type event. As always, the night airshow (Friday Night) was spectacular. The winds were calm enough on Saturday that they were able to launch the balloons. My count was 20+ including one with the envelope shaped like a dog - 4 legs, tail, ears, etc... I still miss the Sun 100, but understand that it is probably too large of a liability risk in today's society. It used to give me chill bumps watching airplanes people had built in their garages cross the finish line at 200 to 300 mph... Avionics were the real show. Many new products, particularly in the world of EFIS products. The obvious question to me is how many of these manufacturers will be around in 5 years? I can't imagine that the market for $5k-$20k components for experimental panels is big enough to support all of these manufacturers over the long term. Of course, with all the RV-10's around, there may be enough market. There were probably 10 RV-10's at the show, most sporting a $50k panel. Two or three of 'em were for sale. I'm interested in XM weather and continue to hope for a portable unit from Lowrance. "Soon" was all they could tell me. Anywhere Map had a new product based on a HP automotive GPS. Looked interesting, but I'd really prefer a "one box" solution (like the 396/496) vs a solution that has multiple components. After yesterday's show, I started checking weather and made a last minute decision to fly home last night because the wind and weather forecasts here in Atlanta for Sunday/Monday were beyond my abilites. I escaped the show at about 7:20 (10 minutes before they closed the field) and had a smooth 3 hour trip home. The landing was in a direct crosswind, 10 G 16. Surprisingly easy. Maybe I caught a break on the gusts. Today, the crosswind at the home runway is 20+ with gusts. Yuck. Several friends are stuck in S. GA waiting on better winds... Kyle Boatright 2001 RV-6 N46KB ----- Original Message ----- From: Eddie Moran To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: RV-List: Sun N Fun Review Not impressed. Volunteers running the taxi squad mostly confused both in an out. Friends have the same stories. I camped with HBC and surrounded by RV's. All cool looking by the way. My Moose had 3 DC-3's taxi by with their wings over my aircrafts nose all the way to the wing? WTFO? When I went to leave Sunday, they sent me the wrong way twice. Adding about 20 min to my taxi time. Mass confusion IMHO. Any other observations? ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 03:42:52 PM PST US From: "Garry" Subject: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I have 135 hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and the brake pads are worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said the original tires shipped with the kit aren't supposed to last more than 100 hours........ditto with the brake pads. This doesn't make sense to me. What kind of experience do others have? Also, any recommendations on what brand of tires to replace them with? Garry Stout Tampa, FL garrys@tampabay.rr.com ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 04:01:51 PM PST US From: "Kyle Boatright" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads Is your wear primarily on the outside edge of the main gear tires? If so, reverse the tires on the wheels and you'll probably get 100 more hours. There is a lot of back and forth in the archives on tires. I'm using Michelins (and airstop tubes) myself. My understanding is that the -A models use more brakes than the tailwheel versions since brakes are the only steering mechanism. That said, I've replaced the pads once on my -6 in over 500 hours. Kyle Boatright 2001 RV-6 N46KB ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry" Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads > > What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I have 135 > hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and the brake pads > are worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said the original tires > shipped with the kit aren't supposed to last more than 100 > hours........ditto with the brake pads. This doesn't make sense to me. > What kind of experience do others have? Also, any recommendations on what > brand of tires to replace them with? > > Garry Stout > Tampa, FL > garrys@tampabay.rr.com > > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 04:05:01 PM PST US From: "Carl Froehlich" Subject: RE: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads 300 hours on my 8A. This included a lot of cross country however. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (450 hrs) RV-10 (wings) Dogwood Airpark (VA42) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Garry Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I have 135 hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and the brake pads are worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said the original tires shipped with the kit aren't supposed to last more than 100 hours........ditto with the brake pads. This doesn't make sense to me. What kind of experience do others have? Also, any recommendations on what brand of tires to replace them with? Garry Stout Tampa, FL garrys@tampabay.rr.com ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 04:12:50 PM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads I rotated the original tires on my 6A at about 100 hours then replaced them at 160 hours. My brakes were at about 90% worn when I replaced them at 187 hours. Dale Ensing ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garry" Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 6:38 PM Subject: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads > > What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I have 135 > hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and the brake pads > are worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said the original tires > shipped with the kit aren't supposed to last more than 100 > hours........ditto with the brake pads. This doesn't make sense to me. > What kind of experience do others have? Also, any recommendations on what > brand of tires to replace them with? > > Garry Stout > Tampa, FL > garrys@tampabay.rr.com > > > ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:40 PM PST US From: "Bob-tcw" Subject: RV-List: Sun-n-Fun '08 Fellow RV- Builders I would personally like to thank all of you who visited our booth this year at Sun-n-Fun. Although we had been to the show many times, this was our first time as an exhibitor and we really enjoyed the warm welcome and encouragement that you all provided. It was certainly a thrill to demonstrate Safety-Trim and our Intelligent Flap Controller for so many people. Again, Many thanks for your support! Bob Newman Jason Adams TCW Technologies www.tcwtech.com do not archive ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:30 PM PST US From: "Tracy Crook" Subject: Re: RV-List: Sun N Fun Review Just back from S 'n F myself. Not the best day for it but I flew in Sunday before opening (bad wx). First flight with significant weather in-route with XM weather on board and that one flight made the year's subscription a good investment. What would have been a nerve wracking flight without it was only mildly interesting (and fun of course). The challenge will be resisting overconfidence. Seemed slow this year, sort of disorganized, REALLY stupid camper registration and traffic routing (IMO), a pox on whoever it was that axed the SUN 100, etc, etc. But it's somewhere to fly and meet friends and "fly the rotary flag" so I go and probably will again. Tracy Crook ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 06:19:39 PM PST US From: "Dale Walter" Subject: RE: RV-List: Sun N Fun Review Here is my video of the Thunderbirds, Patty Flagstaff, and a few others. Dedicated to those that missed it, especially due to weather or high fuel cost. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5lsWBkI3es The flagmen on the taxiways looked tired to me, I am thankful I don't have to do it. One parker did me a great service on my arrival, another at departure did his best to make me forget that but failed. Hope you enjoy the video, Dale RV6a (N241BD) 1000+ hrs _____ // Several friends are stuck in S. GA waiting on better winds... Kyle Boatright 2001 RV-6 N46KB ----- Original Message ----- From: Eddie Moran Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:38 PM Subject: RV-List: Sun N Fun Review Not impressed. Volunteers running the taxi squad mostly confused both in an out. Friends have the same stories. I camped with HBC and surrounded by RV's. All cool looking by the way. My Moose had 3 DC-3's taxi by with their wings over my aircrafts nose all the way to the wing? WTFO? When I went to leave Sunday, they sent me the wrong way twice. Adding about 20 min to my taxi time. Mass confusion IMHO. Any other observations? ________________________________ Message 26 ____________________________________ Time: 06:25:03 PM PST US From: Matt Kuperus Subject: RV-List: tools wanted I'm looking for any and all tools needed for a quickbuild RV-8. Thanks. _________________________________________________________________ Get in touch in an instant. Get Windows Live Messenger now. http://www.windowslive.com/messenger/overview.html?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_Refr esh_getintouch_042008 ________________________________ Message 27 ____________________________________ Time: 06:37:59 PM PST US From: "Kelly Meiste" Subject: RV-List: For Sale - Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) Kit My name is Kelly Meiste, I'm an EAA member (#623517) living in northwestern Illinois. I'm currently flying a Zenith Zodiac 601 (N601KM) that my son & I built back in 2002. The reason I'm writing to the RV list is to ask if anyone would be interested in purchasing a Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) kit that I manufacture. I'm sorry if anyone considers this message to be "Spam", if so please stop reading and delete this message now. To the rest of you I would like to offer an added safety feature for your plane, and its occupants which should be required in all homebuilt aircraft in my opinion. And offer it to you at a price that most everyone can afford. I originally fabricated a kit to use only on my plane. It worked so well that others have asked me to build one for them as well. It's now turned into a part time job, and as I'm hoping to retire soon I'm now looking into building these kits full time to keep me busy when I'm not flying. My kit is priced at less than half the cost of the kits currently on the market ($175 plus shipping), so I believe it's a good value for the money. It comes complete and ready to install in most any aircraft currently flying, or still under construction. Installation is fast and easy, normally only a few hours of your time will do it. If you would like to see my kit please visit my website lri.kit.googlepages.com Anyone wanting more info, or just ask questions, please contact me off the list at kellymeiste@jcwifi.com Thank you very much for your time, and once again I apologize to anyone who considers my posting to be "Spam". Kelly Meiste ________________________________ Message 28 ____________________________________ Time: 06:52:31 PM PST US From: Vanremog@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV-List: For Sale - Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) Kit In a message dated 4/13/2008 6:39:51 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, kellymeiste@jcwifi.com writes: The reason I=99m writing to the RV list is to ask if anyone would be interested in purchasing a Reserve Lift Gage (Angle of Attack) kit that I m anufacture. I will add you to my Yeller Pages. Please be supportive of your customer base. ;o) N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 887hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley) **************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ________________________________ Message 29 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:51 PM PST US From: Larygagnon@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads I had just the left tire wearing on the outside faster then the right and swapping them got me to 140 hours before changing to Michelins. I had just one brake pad wear from too much pressure in one direction because the brake line got tweaked and put pressure on that side. I'm told the original tires are not known for there longevity. Larry Gagnon RV6 N6LG 160 hrs RV6A N3158Y Going to airport soon ************** It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolcmp00300000002850) ________________________________ Message 30 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:39 PM PST US From: Denis Walsh Subject: Re: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads Since I keep track of my number of landings and have done so for the last 11 years, I would like to comment on this. I hear this same question a lot, and it is a good one, of interest to all. One thing to understand why tires sometimes go in a hurry, is the rod spring gear. A marvelous design, elegantly simple. But in lieu of shock absorbing oleos, it uses a sprongy motion which scrubs the tires upon landing and uses the friction thus to dissipate the landing shock. My plane is an RV-6A. Since I am a cheapskate, I can assure you I use all known methods to extend brake and tire wear. I have logged 3600 landings in my 2100 hours. About 1.8 landings per hour. first to answer the question. My average landings per set has been between 250 and 500. Brakes are around 700. Most folks are in this range. Based on my numbers I would say you are doing well on tires, and not quite as well as you could on brakes. I would check for scorching, and other signs of dragging brakes. My opinion of why the huge variation? Some variables: type of tire, type of use (surface), braking/steering habits, landing/takeoff speeds, number if touch and goes, average weight. I reverse the tires when halfway through, and the outside gets smooth. My longest wearing tires have been the cheapest and the most expensive. Cheapest being the retreads , most expensive being the Goodyear FC III. My current philosophy is go for the middle grade. The retreads and FCIII are too heavy for my taste and I think more prone to shake. I love the new low leak tubes, and like to keep a higher pressure than most in the mains, 40psi. I prefer the other brand of pads (RAPCO). Wear is about the same as Cleveland, but Rapco has a wear indicator, which really helps me to check in the dim light under the wheel. My personal opinion is the best thing you can do to minimize yuor tire and brake wear is land and take off at the minimum speed. But if you are more comfortable landing fast go ahead, it won't break the bank. One last bit of free advice. Don't run on smooth tires. When you get both halves worn smooth, replace them, and the tubes please. DLW On Apr 13, 2008, at 4:38 PM, Garry wrote: > > What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I > have 135 hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and > the brake pads are worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said > the original tires shipped with the kit aren't supposed to last more > than 100 hours........ditto with the brake pads. This doesn't make > sense to me. What kind of experience do others have? Also, any > recommendations on what brand of tires to replace them with? > > Garry Stout > Tampa, FL > garrys@tampabay.rr.com > > ________________________________ Message 31 ____________________________________ Time: 07:55:49 PM PST US From: "Steve Struyk" Subject: RV-List: Off topic and off the list In my opinion Mr. Maib is right on "Target". I've been a member of this list for 7 years now. Early on I found it to be a valuable tool in attaining building advice, techniques, and answers to questions that were probably very basic, but important to me because I was a new builder and needed help. Some things I just didn't know. I, like most, had never build an airplane before. Later the discussions about various products including everything from propellers to tail wheels... canopies to tires were all good topics of value to most any builder. And even later, the discussions on Service Bulletins and AD's.... Again good stuff. Very pertinent. After finishing and flying my aircraft I have continued to monitor the list and took pride in being able to pass along to others on occasion what I had learned while building. I was happy to share my opinion on techniques or products that worked well for me. I figured I owed something back for the help the list provided to me. I think sharing knowledge and time with other builders is a fundamental part of what makes building such a rewarding experience. This list was an important link to that unknown. Without the advice and help of others my project would not be what it is today. I'm sure your's is, or will, be no different. For some time now I have grown tired of the off subject topics that, do have their place on some forum somewhere, but in my opinion, not on this forum. There are all sorts of forums one can participate in for nearly any topic one wishes to explore. (republican or democrat) Take your business there but leave this site as it was designed to be...an RV builders forum. Don't bother to flame me, it will go unheard. I have cancelled my subscription. To the new builders, good luck. Once in a while, way down there in the subject lines amid the posts on the "P word" and "whatever" you may get your answer, better yet. search the archives. While cluttered with impertinent posts by those not knowing or wishing to add those three simple words "Do not Archive", one will usually find the answer you are searching for....the one about building an RV. Steve Struyk, RV-8 "N842S.... 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