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1. 05:46 AM - Re: Sun N Fun Review (Lenleg@aol.com)
2. 06:27 AM - Tires and Brake Pads (Jerry Grimmonpre)
3. 07:17 AM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Doug Weiler)
4. 10:23 AM - Slick Magnetos overhaul (L Klingmuller)
5. 10:35 AM - Re: Off topic and off the list (Rob Prior)
6. 12:04 PM - Re: Off topic and off the list (Mike Divan)
7. 03:25 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (JFLEISC@aol.com)
8. 03:36 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Vanremog@aol.com)
9. 04:52 PM - Re: Re: Tires and Brake Pads ()
10. 05:47 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (HCRV6@comcast.net)
11. 06:03 PM - Re: Off topic and off the list (bert murillo)
12. 06:25 PM - Re: Re: AD compliance / applicability (linn Walters)
13. 06:37 PM - Re: RV Safety Record (linn Walters)
14. 06:59 PM - Re: Re: AD compliance / applicability (Vanremog@aol.com)
15. 07:12 PM - Re: Tires and Brake Pads (Dale Ensing)
16. 08:15 PM - RV8a Air Intake Seperates (FASTPILOTRV8)
17. 10:15 PM - Re: RV8a Air Intake Seperates (mr.gsun@gmail.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Sun N Fun Review |
Thanks Dale .... I could not make it but now feel like I did !!
Len
In a message dated 4/13/2008 9:21:55 PM Eastern Daylight Time,
dale1rv6@comcast.net writes:
Here is my video of the Thunderbirds, Patty Flagstaff, and a few others.
Dedicated to those that missed it, especially due to weather or high fuel
cost.
_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5lsWBkI3es_
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5lsWBkI3es)
The flagmen on the taxiways looked tired to me, I am thankful I don
=99t have
to do it. One parker did me a great service on my arrival, another at
departure did his best to make me forget that but failed.
Hope you enjoy the video,
Dale
RV6a (N241BD) 1000+ hrs
____________________________________
//
Several friends are stuck in S. GA waiting on better winds...
Kyle Boatright
2001 RV-6 N46KB
----- Original Message -----
From: _Eddie Moran_ (mailto:lizzardracing@yahoo.com)
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:38 PM
Subject: RV-List: Sun N Fun Review
Not impressed.
Volunteers running the taxi squad mostly confused both in an out. Friends
have the same stories.
I camped with HBC and surrounded by RV's. All cool looking by the way. My
Moose had 3 DC-3's taxi by with their wings over my aircrafts nose all the
way to the wing? WTFO?
When I went to leave Sunday, they sent me the wrong way twice. Adding abou
t
20 min to my taxi time.
Mass confusion IMHO.
Any other observations?
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| Subject: | Tires and Brake Pads |
Good Morning Listers ...
A short intro from a guy off list for a year. I got off track while lost in
my basement building guest quarters. That project is done so building and
flying funds are more available. I live in Northern Illinois and at work
on an RV8A.
The subject ... (tires and brake pads) is on the list to do for an RV4 I
fly.
My question is about Airstop Tubes. What brand would you recommend and do
I order straight tube stems or the bent ones?
Thanks for any info and I'm happy to be back ...
Jerry
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and Brake Pads |
Jerry:
Personally I would not scrimp on tubes. I found that the cheap ones
leak (especially those that come with Van's kits). Spring for quality
Goodyear or Michelin. Money well spent.
Doug Weiler
N722DW, RV-4, 450 hrs
Jerry Grimmonpre wrote:
>
> Good Morning Listers ...
> A short intro from a guy off list for a year. I got off track while
> lost in my basement building guest quarters. That project is done so
> building and flying funds are more available. I live in Northern
> Illinois and at work on an RV8A.
>
> The subject ... (tires and brake pads) is on the list to do for an RV4
> I fly.
>
> My question is about Airstop Tubes. What brand would you recommend and
> do I order straight tube stems or the bent ones?
> Thanks for any info and I'm happy to be back ...
> Jerry
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Slick Magnetos overhaul |
If my recollection is correct, the points etc of the Slick magnetos should be
checked/overhauled every 500 hrs.
I just wonder what the experience has been with the RV list users.
Having had much troubles with my original Lasar system (several different magnetos
from Unison, harness, e-box, connectors) after appr. 80 hrs I switched over
to regular Slick mags.
Lothar, RV-6A, 750 hrs on new O-360A1A, ~ 680 hrs on new Slick
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic and off the list |
On 19:51 2008-04-13 "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> For some time now I have grown tired of the off subject topics that,
> do have their place on some forum somewhere, but in my opinion, not on
> this forum. There are all sorts of forums one can participate in for
> nearly any topic one wishes to explore. (republican or democrat) Take
> your business there but leave this site as it was designed to be...an
> RV builders forum.
Count me #3.
I've been watching the forum for 5 years while slowly working on my
project. In that time the list has turned from a valuable resource for
builders into a list full of people who have finished their projects and
have nothing better to do than discuss topics not relevant to the forum.
"Freedom vs. Priveledge", "How did you like SnF?", etc.
"Don't like the topic? Don't read it!" the whiners say. Actually, most of
us joined because the topics here were supposed to be relevant to RV's. So
I say, "Don't want to talk about RV's? Don't post!" Just like it says in
the RV-List Usage Guidelines (http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/RV-List.FAQ.html). I'm wasting enough time already not building my plane... I don't need to waste my time deleting your off-topic posts as well.
I know there are some new builders here. To those of you, I strongly
suggest joining the specific forum for your type (RV-7-List, RV-6-List,
etc.) as the volume is a lot lower and the signal-to-noise ratio is a lot
higher. That's where i'm going.
Thanks to everyone who's made useful, RV-related suggestions over the past
5 years. I saved most of them, have used some of them, and I plan to use
more of them in the future. I just won't be back to thank you again when I
do, because it would be lost in the noise anyway.
-Rob
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic and off the list |
I have a flying RV6 and building a RV7. Now I might not think this is the best
place for some of the topics however I am not going to take my ball and go home
(quit the list) just because I need to use the "delete" button a little more
often from time to time. But my biggest question is how in the heck is talking
about "SnF" not RV related???? And what now that people are flying they cannot
talk about FLYING. Which to me is RV related in a big way.
Do Not Arcive
Mike Divan
----- Original Message ----
From: Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 10:37:12 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Off topic and off the list
On 19:51 2008-04-13 "Steve Struyk" <rv8striker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> For some time now I have grown tired of the off subject topics that,
> do have their place on some forum somewhere, but in my opinion, not on
> this forum. There are all sorts of forums one can participate in for
> nearly any topic one wishes to explore. (republican or democrat) Take
> your business there but leave this site as it was designed to be...an
> RV builders forum.
Count me #3.
I've been watching the forum for 5 years while slowly working on my
project. In that time the list has turned from a valuable resource for
builders into a list full of people who have finished their projects and
have nothing better to do than discuss topics not relevant to the forum.
"Freedom vs. Priveledge", "How did you like SnF?", etc.
"Don't like the topic? Don't read it!" the whiners say. Actually, most of
us joined because the topics here were supposed to be relevant to RV's. So
I say, "Don't want to talk about RV's? Don't post!" Just like it says in
the RV-List Usage Guidelines (http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/RV-List.FAQ.html). I'm wasting enough time already not building my plane... I don't need to waste my time deleting your off-topic posts as well.
I know there are some new builders here. To those of you, I strongly
suggest joining the specific forum for your type (RV-7-List, RV-6-List,
etc.) as the volume is a lot lower and the signal-to-noise ratio is a lot
higher. That's where i'm going.
Thanks to everyone who's made useful, RV-related suggestions over the past
5 years. I saved most of them, have used some of them, and I plan to use
more of them in the future. I just won't be back to thank you again when I
do, because it would be lost in the noise anyway.
-Rob
Do Not Arcive
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and Brake Pads |
In a message dated 4/13/2008 10:00:05 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
Larygagnon@aol.com writes:
I had just the left tire wearing on the outside faster then the right and
swapping them got me to 140 hours before changing to Michelins. I had just one
brake pad wear from too much pressure in one direction because the brake
line got tweaked and put pressure on that side. I'm told the original tires are
not known for there longevity.
Dumb question; Where can I get some Michelins? I assume they are radial?
Jim
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and Brake Pads |
In a message dated 4/14/2008 3:27:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
JFLEISC@aol.com writes:
Dumb question; Where can I get some Michelins? I assume they are radial?
Desser
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 887hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and Brake Pads |
We bought recaps for HRII N561FS but they have lots of options. "sales@desser.com
or phone us at 800-247-8473 (323-721-4900 " KABONG
Dumb question; Where can I get some Michelins? I assume they are radial?Desser
N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 887hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley)
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and Brake Pads |
I got just under 90 hours on the Aero Trainer tires that came with my finish kit
in 2001, even after rotating them to even wear. I replaced them with Goodyear
FClll's at that point and now have about 360 hours on the FClll's and estimate
that they will need to be replaced in another 100 to 150 hours at the current
rate of wear. I rotate and reverse them every 100 hours or so to even out
wear. I also installed low leak tubes when I installed the GY FClll's and now
have to add 1 or at most 2 psi every month or so instead of 4 or 5 psi every
few weeks as I did with the original tubes. As I recall I paid about $120 each
for the FClll's vs about $35 at the time for the lowest price brands from Desser.
I will replace these with FClll's when the time comes.
I'm on the second set of brake pads (Rapco) now at 460 hours and will probably
have to replace these in another 100 hours or so. I average about two landings
per hour and sometimes brake aggressively to make an early turn off but otherwise
try to stay off the brakes as much as possible.
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, flying - 460 hours
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: "Garry" <garrys@tampabay.rr.com>
>
> What kind of hours are folks getting on tires and brake pads? I have 135
> hours on my 7A and the outside of the tires are bald and the brake pads are
> worn about 90%. In talking with Vans they said the original tires shipped
> with the kit aren't supposed to last more than 100 hours........ditto with
> the brake pads. This doesn't make sense to me. What kind of experience do
> others have? Also, any recommendations on what brand of tires to replace
> them with?
>
> Garry Stout
> Tampa, FL
> garrys@tampabay.rr.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Off topic and off the list |
Rob:
This has been going for years now/ which shows that
rv-builders, suffer from serious" Neurotic Symtoms"\
that is when you get older, it will show, augmented.
No body will want to be near you....
I do like to see other subjects, although they are
some how related to rv.. or flying or improving
our skills, etc.. all about aviation..
NOw if one does not like what you see, just click
and go to the next...
Have a life....be happy and built you plane..
hope you will not be one of those, that after they
start flying,,will act, with the Who are they to tell
me, what to do,, I fly the way I want etc,..,etc..
Robert
rv6a
Do not archive.
\
--- Rob Prior <rv7@b4.ca> wrote:
> <rv7@b4.ca>
>
> On 19:51 2008-04-13 "Steve Struyk"
> <rv8striker@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > For some time now I have grown tired of the off
> subject topics that,
> > do have their place on some forum somewhere, but
> in my opinion, not on
> > this forum. There are all sorts of forums one can
> participate in for
> > nearly any topic one wishes to explore.
> (republican or democrat) Take
> > your business there but leave this site as it was
> designed to be...an
> > RV builders forum.
>
> Count me #3.
>
> I've been watching the forum for 5 years while
> slowly working on my
> project. In that time the list has turned from a
> valuable resource for
> builders into a list full of people who have
> finished their projects and
> have nothing better to do than discuss topics not
> relevant to the forum.
> "Freedom vs. Priveledge", "How did you like SnF?",
> etc.
>
> "Don't like the topic? Don't read it!" the whiners
> say. Actually, most of
> us joined because the topics here were supposed to
> be relevant to RV's. So
> I say, "Don't want to talk about RV's? Don't
> post!" Just like it says in
> the RV-List Usage Guidelines
>
(http://www.matronics.com/ftp/Archives/RV-List.FAQ.html).
> I'm wasting enough time already not building my
> plane... I don't need to waste my time deleting your
> off-topic posts as well.
>
> I know there are some new builders here. To those
> of you, I strongly
> suggest joining the specific forum for your type
> (RV-7-List, RV-6-List,
> etc.) as the volume is a lot lower and the
> signal-to-noise ratio is a lot
> higher. That's where i'm going.
>
> Thanks to everyone who's made useful, RV-related
> suggestions over the past
> 5 years. I saved most of them, have used some of
> them, and I plan to use
> more of them in the future. I just won't be back to
> thank you again when I
> do, because it would be lost in the noise anyway.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>
> browse
> Un/Subscription,
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>
> Forums!
>
> Admin.
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| Subject: | Re: RE: AD compliance / applicability |
I'm amazed at the way we try and beat a dead horse. Glen takes a piece
of documentation that's clearly for LSA (as he so kindly pointed out)
and wants to apply it to ALL experimental aircraft to justify the stupid
.... yeah, I said stupid .... position that you don't have to heed the
ADs. For what purpose??? Who needs a specific directive on whether ADs
apply to experimental aircraft???? Doesn't common sense suffice as a
reason??? The FAA doesn't appear to want to enforce the ADs .... which
makes it a moot point if you ignore the AD that makes your butt history
amongst the living. However, if you take someone with you, I'm sure
your survivors will not talk kindly of you when the lawyer starts
talking about your total lack of comprehension when you certified that
your airplane is airworthy when you take off. I've said before .... if
you want to impress someone with your knowledge of all things aviation
..... then you need not worry about the ADs ..... and explain how your
superior knowledge makes an AD not apply. The FAA isn't a proactive
organization. It's reactive. (Thank God!) and there's bound to be loss
of life (or a high potential for it) for them to issue the AD. So, just
go out there and ignore all the ADs. You'll be the reason that ADs are
mandated for experimentals too.
I don't know Glen personally ..... or if he's playing devils advocate
here .... but the bottom line is that ADs are there to protect your butt
...... and mine too, and to try and lower the accident rate which we pay
dearly for.
I really don't care if Glen (or any anti AD person) doesn't want to take
the ADs as a heads up ..... but I do take offense at them trying to lead
others down that path with the 'ADs don't apply' mantra.
Sorry for the rant, but I think ignoring the ADs is a stupid pilot trick.
Linn ..... working through the fuselage.
glen matejcek wrote:
>
>Hi All-
>
>Well, believe it or not, and with the help of EAA's regulatory liaison,
>I've gotten to the bottom of the whole AD / Amateur Built Experimental
>issue. Really.
>
>But first: The FAA can't agree internally on the subject. Elements within
>the FAA say they do apply, others say they don't, and yet a third faction
>says they don't apply but should. And, get this, AC 39-7c is (legally
>speaking) incorrect. Go figure. One reason the relevant documents have
>not been cleaned up and clarified is that the FAA seems to want us to
>believe that AD's do apply in order to increase the likelihood of our
>taking corrective action when they are issued.
>
>The highest horsepower document on the subject comes to us from the Federal
>Register. The fact that this document is in the register is what causes it
>to trump all the other documents and opinions on the subject. The document
>itself is all about LSA's, and it contains a table entitled Light-Sport
>Aircraft Maintenance and Certification Requirements located within section
>IV, Comparative Tables. This particular table compares the maintenance
>and certification requirements of six different categories of aircraft,
>including amateur built. It can be accessed at:
>
>http://rgl.faa.gov/Regulatory_and_Guidance_Library/rgFinalRule.nsf/c03aa95a6
>d5f3d57852564720071b601/1d47971728e12ba286256edf004385aa!OpenDocument
>
>Now, should one choose to look up the comparative data in this document, at
>the cross reference of Amateur built and Airworthiness Directives, one
>would find the wording leaves some room for ambiguity. However, if one
>were to look at the adjacent entries for the various other certification
>categories, the intent becomes quite clear. AD's are not issued against
>our planes, nor anything installed in them.
>
>The foregoing does not relieve us of our requirements to address AD's. We
>do not have to comply with an AD, but we do have to address an AD. For
>example, the recent RSA AD calls for an A&P to do the work to be in
>compliance. If I do the work myself, I will have addressed the AD without
>being in compliance, as I am not an A&P. If we fail to address an AD,
>either as owner / operator doing the work or as repairman / A&P performing
>the condition inspection, we are liable for violation under the careless
>and reckless provisions of part 91 of the FAR's, but not under part 39.
>
>Now, don't ask me to rationalize all the conflicting info available to us,
>what one guy said, or the hard time one of us got from a particular fed.
>At this point in time, the above represents the official position of the
>folks at the top of the food chain.
>
>Bon appetit!
>
>glen matejcek
>aerobubba@earthlink.net
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: RV Safety Record |
John W. Cox wrote:
>
>Like Clint Eastwood said..."A man has to know his limitations".
>
>I evaluate every aircraft I fly in and many that I would not let any
>family members fly, I still climb in.
>
Why is that? Are you more expendable than they are???
> Others I won't ever fly in but
>will assist on Conditional Inspections. Many, the builder had little
>idea of how to do things correctly but blindly followed someone else's
>instructions.
>
Amen to that. Or maybe they didn't get ANY guidance. A local builder
produced an assembled 'ready to fly' RV-4 that was devoid of any
positive workmanship. None of the local DARs would sign it off, but he
got an FAA inspection and passed. I find that sad. Had any of us known
that he was building it, we would have helped, but no one knew.
> We would all be safer if we flew often, flew with a
>professional observer to hone our skills more frequently and maintained
>our aircraft to the safest possible standards.
>
Absolutely! There'd be less mourning and lower insurance premiums ....
and a lot more experienced old codgers to help the younger ones along!
>I have seen some atrocious fiberglass work on components of the RV-10
>that are a professional embarrassment and yet scores of novice builders
>will buy them and use them without regard. I have seen many plastic
>aircraft which exceed the quality of even production certificated
>aircraft and push the quality of GA higher and can make most builders
>proud.
>
>Everything is out there. Stay Safe, we lost another RV-10 last night
>with two soles aboard. "Education... now there is something every man
>should strive to continue."
>
I had a teacher that once told me that if you go to sleep at night
without learning something that day .... the day was wasted.
Sage advice indeed.
Linn
do not archive
>
>John Cox
>Do not Archive
>
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| Subject: | Re: RE: AD compliance / applicability |
In a message dated 4/14/2008 6:28:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net writes:
I really don't care if Glen (or any anti AD person) doesn't want to take
the ADs as a heads up ..... but I do take offense at them trying to lead
others down that path with the 'ADs don't apply' mantra.
Sorry for the rant, but I think ignoring the ADs is a stupid pilot trick.
Linn ..... working through the fuselage.
===========================================
On another subject, how about that new Marilyn Monroe film?
Do not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Tires and Brake Pads |
Hi Jerry,
Good to hear from you once again and glad your back on the RV project.. I
would recommend the Michelin Air Stop tubes. (I think Air Stop is their
brand name). The wheels on my 6A require the bent stems.
Had a flight last month out of 3CK with a friend. Was nice to see the old
stomping grounds once again.
Dale Ensing
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:21 AM
Subject: RV-List: Tires and Brake Pads
>
> Good Morning Listers ...
> A short intro from a guy off list for a year. I got off track while lost
> in my basement building guest quarters. That project is done so building
> and flying funds are more available. I live in Northern Illinois and at
> work on an RV8A.
>
> The subject ... (tires and brake pads) is on the list to do for an RV4 I
> fly.
>
> My question is about Airstop Tubes. What brand would you recommend and
> do I order straight tube stems or the bent ones?
> Thanks for any info and I'm happy to be back ...
> Jerry
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| Subject: | RV8a Air Intake Seperates |
RV8a intake duck splits at the seams on both side.
I have a RV8a completed in 2002 and am on my second problem with my Air intake
. I have the type that picks up fresh air on the left side of the cowling next
to front mount prop governor (not in the center below the prop). Here is what
happened this time during my condition inspection, I notice a crack on either
side of the fiberglass duct that takes the intake air to my Bendix servo.
I removed the fiberglass duct to find it was originally made in two pieces and
was glued together. Well so much for the gluing process, it has literally
has come apart at the seams.
I was wondering if any one else has had this problem?
If not please check your own intakes at about 375 hours. I have one of the first
quick build kits to come off the boat and I am not quite sure where the fiberglass
parts are made? My RV8a is a tightly cowled around IO-360 and the intake
duct did rub on the lower cowl at shut down . I have cut out some of the
S-Glass to make a little more clearance.
Just and FYI if you have my type of air intake
Dane
RV8a
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| Subject: | Re: RV8a Air Intake Seperates |
Well, I think I might have the same duct. My RV-7 was built in '04 and I'm
the second owner. It has the IO-360 with a forward facing intake using a
fiberglass duct that goes up to the bottom of the air intake on the left
side of the cowl. I think it looks great with the smooth bottom cowl. I've
not noticed any cracks yet. I'm at 280 hrs. Will keep a lookout.
I do wonder if that is the best sort of arrangement, though. I don't think
I get enough MP and TAS. (Are we ever satisfied?)
Greg
RV9A 60% done, but then I found a beautiful RV-7 to buy and fly!!!
On Mon, Apr 14, 2008 at 8:10 PM, FASTPILOTRV8 <fastpilotrv8@aol.com> wrote:
> RV8a intake duck splits at the seams on both side.
>
> I have a RV8a completed in 2002 and am on my second problem with my Air
> intake . I have the type that picks up fresh air on the left side of the
> cowling next to front mount prop governor (not in the center below the
> prop). Here is what happened this time during my condition inspection, I
> notice a crack on either side of the fiberglass duct that takes the intake
> air to my Bendix servo. I removed the fiberglass duct to find it was
> originally made in two pieces and was glued together. Well so much for the
> gluing process, it has literally has come apart at the seams.
>
> I was wondering if any one else has had this problem?
>
> If not please check your own intakes at about 375 hours. I have one of
> the first quick build kits to come off the boat and I am not quite sure
> where the fiberglass parts are made? My RV8a is a tightly cowled around
> IO-360 and the intake duct did rub on the lower cowl at shut down . I have
> cut out some of the S-Glass to make a little more clearance.
>
> Just and FYI if you have my type of air intake
>
> Dane
> RV8a
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