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1. 05:20 AM - Re: Airpark Living (Ed Anderson)
2. 05:51 AM - Re: Wiggly Cotter pins (Ralph E. Capen)
3. 06:13 AM - Re: Airpark Living (steve)
4. 11:45 AM - Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel (Matt Dralle)
5. 12:04 PM - ReAirpark Living (Dennis Persyk)
6. 03:28 PM - Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel (Louis Willig)
7. 03:40 PM - Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel (Doug Weiler)
8. 07:18 PM - Pic of CHEAP Oil Cutter (J Riffel)
9. 08:02 PM - Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Airpark Living |
Actually, having spent several visits with Charlie and his lovely spouse,
Tupper, I can say they have a very nice house and view indeed. The view
from their deck over the airstrip is very nice indeed - while his hanger may
block view of the touch-down point on the South end - most folks land longer
anyhow.
So if you end up with as nice a view as Charlie has (even if not perfect)
you will have done well.
Best Regards
Ed
----- Original Message -----
From: "Charlie England" <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 8:58 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Airpark Living
>
> Bruno wrote:
>>> Hello listers
>>> I'm in the process of buying property on an Airpark and I would like to
>>> have ideas,pictures, samples of houses/ hangars combinaison that anyone
>>> of you living on an airpark may have so I can summit ideas to the
>>> developper on what I'm planning on building.
>>> Also any infos or do's and don'ts about living on an airpark will be
>>> appreciated.
>>> Thank you
>>> You may reply ''off'' list if you wish
>>> Bruno Dionne
>>> RV-4 C-GDBH (Flying)
>>> rv4@videotron.ca <mailto:rv4@videotron.ca>
>>> Do not archive
>>>
> If you plan on building/painting/maintaining a plane in the hangar, you
> might want to consider keeping the hangar separate from the house. I
> haven't lived in a combo setup, but my wife has an aversion to all the
> chemical odors I bring back from the hangar so I'm pretty sure there'd be
> major problems if the hangar was connected to the house.
>
> I have 12' eaves on my hangar; one of my neighbors has 14'. He has room
> for a much taller door (a big twin or tall taildragger is no problem) &
> can have a mezzanine with enough headroom to walk around under, under the
> ridge line of the roof. A typical 12' bi-fold door only has about 10' of
> clear height & big antique biplanes, twins, etc just barely clear them.
>
> If my lot had been wide enough I'd have wanted the hangar & house side by
> side, so I could sit on the deck or at the hangar & not have my view
> obstructed by the other building. (A grass runway is like having a really
> big yard that you only have to mow a couple of times a summer, when it's
> your turn.)
>
> If you have more than one plane or share a hangar, doors on both ends of
> the hangar would make it much easier to move planes in & out (you give up
> wall space, of course).
>
> Lightweight kitchen stuff is useful in the hangar; restroom is essential
> (shower is a good option).
>
> At least a small work space in the hangar insulated/heated (a/c optional).
> Heating the entire hangar for working on small stuff can get expensive.
>
> We moved an existing house to our lot. The house started its life as an
> early '50s ranch, with a low pitched roof & 4' overhangs. Great for
> keeping the hot sun out of the house, but not so hot for looking out the
> window at planes overflying the runway. If Ed McMahon comes to visit, I'll
> put a gable roof with vaulted ceiling over the den so we can see out & up.
>
> When you plan the deck, make it as big as you can ever imagine needing.
> Then increase it by 50%. Then add another 40 square feet. If you plan a
> porch, be sure it doesn't block the view from the deck. Our master
> bedroom, den, etc are on the side of the house facing the runway. Little
> used rooms face away from the runway. If the deck is anywhere near the
> bedroom, consider making it at least a couple of feet lower than the floor
> level of the house (helps maintain privacy in the bedrooms).
>
> Big windows with low E coating & argon filled spaces.
>
> Metal works just as well for a house roof as a hangar roof, & helps keep
> energy costs down in summer (if you insulate under it).
>
> If the runway is N/S, try to build on the west side of the runway. Sun is
> nice in the morning, not so much in the afternoon. (We are in the southern
> USA; your situation might be very different.)
>
> If you can afford to just write checks, do so. (I'm 5 years behind on my
> RV-7 project.)
>
> Charlie
> Slobovia Outernational Airport
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Wiggly Cotter pins |
My wiggly one is on the lower left engine mount - so, like you, this one is important
to me.
-----Original Message-----
>From: John Cox <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
>Sent: Apr 25, 2008 11:38 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RE: RV-List: Wiggly Cotter pins
>
>I find wiggly cotter pins a lot doing EAA Tech Inspections. There is no
>standard on experimentals, the owner/builder sets the standard. The
>AC43-13 wants them tight. The airliners you fly on are all tight. The
>airline Quality Control Inspector will fail any that are wiggly. We do
>that by pulling the head down into the fastener, bending the legs
>against the object and often smacking them with the handle of our
>pliers. QC always looks for wigglies, correct leg length of cotter pins,
>correct hardware lash up and often on critical items like engine mounts
>and landing gear confirm NO Wigglies by using torque seal paint.
>
>
>
>I always point out the wiggly ones on engine mounts.
>
>
>
>Guess I must be an AR Tech.
>
>
>
>John Cox
>
>
>
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of David Leonard
>Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 7:20 AM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Wiggly Cotter pins
>
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>
> Somebody tell me that I'm not out of my mind with my
>anal-retentiveness.....
>
> Ralph Capen
> RV6AQB Slider N822AR @ N06
> Knocking out the million little things.....
>
>
>
>
>Unfortunately Ralph, I think you are out or your mind with A.R. Sorry.
>They have rehab you know. :-)
>--
>David Leonard
>
>Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
>http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
>http://RotaryRoster.net
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Airpark Living |
Ah, living a dream. I moved to Buena Terra (33KS) just North of Topeka, Ks. two
years ago. We started with a house plan both the wife and I liked, then I
took the three car garage and just extended it back so that I could roll out the
RV-7 and...
Like anything in life, whatever you do you have to accept certain risks. The
first thing we did was form an LLC (yip, hire a lawyer) and put all the runway/taxiway
property into the LLC. That way, when some goon hits a dog or a hole
or whatever, he or his wife can only get what's in the LLC. I think right now
there is like four hundred dollars in the LLC fund. We use that for runway
maintenance and an annual hog roast. Airpark living has worked well for us.
My wife is a farmers daughter and a social worker so we enjoy the wide open space
plus the group of neighbors.
Bruno <rv4@videotron.ca> wrote:
Hello listers
I'm in the process of buying property on an Airpark and
I would like to have ideas,pictures, samples of houses/ hangars combinaison
that anyone of you living on an airpark may have so I can summit ideas to the
developper on what I'm planning on building.
Also any infos or do's and don'ts about living on an airpark will be appreciated.
Thank you
You may reply ''off'' list if you wish
Bruno Dionne
RV-4 C-GDBH (Flying)
rv4@videotron.ca
Do not archive
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| Subject: | Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
Hello RV Listers!
Well, after quite a hiatus, I'm back on my RV-4 project. This year marks the 20th
year since its beginning, and I'm thinking that that its time finally see
it to completion!
The options have changed quite a bit since I started the project, and the latest
iteration has a 180HP and a Hartzell CS prop. I had already mounted the battery
in the normal spot up by the firewall between the pilot's legs. With all
the extra weight up front, I'm sure I'll have to relocate the battery behind
the cabin somewhere. Of note, however, is that I have electric trim installed
in the Elevator, and the full-swivel tailwheel fork, both of which add some weight
to the far aft location.
I would appreciate some feedback on selecting an exacting location for the battery
given my situation. Also, what gauge battery cables to use given the remote
location.
Its great to be back on the project; I'm looking forward to getting back into the
discussions on the List!
Thanks for the help!
Matt Dralle
RV-4 #1762 - N442RV (res)
Matronics List Administrator
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> Time: 04:26:57 PM PST US
> From: Bruno <rv4@videotron.ca>
> Subject: RV-List: Airpark Living
>
> Hello listers
>
> I'm in the process of buying property on an Airpark
> and
> I would like to have ideas,pictures, samples of houses/ hangars
> combinaison that
> anyone of you living on an airpark may have so I can summit ideas to the
> developper
> on what I'm planning on building.
>
> Also any infos or do's and don'ts about living on an airpark will be
> appreciated.
>
> Thank you
>
> You may reply ''off'' list if you wish
>
> Bruno Dionne
> RV-4 C-GDBH (Flying)
> rv4@videotron.ca
>
> Do not archive
>
Hello Bruno,
With due respect, we don't enough about your airpark to allow us to even
begin to offer suggestions. The house/hangar layout will be determined after
consideration of airpark covenants and restrictions, local zoning, your
insurance company, hard surface or grass taxiways, snow removal
considerations, and careful consideration of your plot survey, to name but a
few factors.
For starters visit http://www.livingwithyourplane.com/
Here you will find that:
_________
LWYP produces a newsletter, annual directory, a listing of airpark
covenants, conditions and restrictions (CC&R), a library of floor plans for
homes with integrated hangars and a directory of Aviation Professionals. An
archive of newsletter stories since 1991 is also available.
LWYP provides individuals who are living on an airpark, want to live on one
or are interested in developing or expanding an airpark with important and
helpful information.
____________
Please take the time to perform due diligence in researching your
prospective airpark.
Living on an airpark is not a casual change in lifestyle - it will rock your
world, for better or for worse. I've lived at Casa de Aero (68IS) for ten
years and love it. My wife and I visited six local airparks and looked at
perhaps twenty different homes over a period of several years before
choosing ours.
Good luck,
Dennis Persyk 6A N600DP sold - flying a Skyhawk again
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
At 02:41 PM 4/28/2008, you wrote:
>
>
>The options have changed quite a bit since I started the project,
>and the latest iteration has a 180HP and a Hartzell CS prop. I had
>already mounted the battery in the normal spot up by the firewall
>between the pilot's legs. With all the extra weight up front, I'm
>sure I'll have to relocate the battery behind the cabin
>somewhere. Of note, however, is that I have electric trim installed
>in the Elevator, and the full-swivel tailwheel fork, both of which
>add some weight to the far aft location.
Matt,
There should be no problem putting the battery where you first
planned (between your legs). I have the same set up as you (IO-360,
Hartzell C/S) and find the aircraft is perfectly balanced when the
trim is in the center. You will save the nasty problem of running a
heavy wire fore and aft. The low weight AGM batteries are great and
need only minor attention. I would suggest two things: (1) try to set
up a means of charging your battery without removing the center
console, and (2) don't cut through the firewall until you have the
complete engine/firewall forward completed. Yesterday, someone
mentioned that they had a problem working the battery cable around
the exhaust system, and had to "create" a new exhaust hanger system.
I have a similar problem, but not as bad.
It's good to see you so close to home. and I owe you a few years of
contributions. This list, and its manager, is superb. Yea. I know. I
exaggerate a lot.
Louis I Willig
1640 Oakwood Dr.
Penn Valley, PA 19072
610 668-4964
RV-4, N180PF, 650 hrs "Miss Viagra"
190HP IO-360, C/S prop
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
Matt:
My RV-4 has a 0-360 with a Hartzell c/s prop. The battery (B&C) is
located in the "normal" spot and I have had no issues with this
configuration in 450 hours of operation. The a/c may be slightly nose
heavy (with me at 150 pounds I am at the FWD c/g limit).
Personally I would install the battery in the called for location.
Doug Weiler
Matt Dralle wrote:
>
>
> Hello RV Listers!
>
> Well, after quite a hiatus, I'm back on my RV-4 project. This year marks the
20th year since its beginning, and I'm thinking that that its time finally see
it to completion!
>
> The options have changed quite a bit since I started the project, and the latest
iteration has a 180HP and a Hartzell CS prop. I had already mounted the battery
in the normal spot up by the firewall between the pilot's legs. With all
the extra weight up front, I'm sure I'll have to relocate the battery behind
the cabin somewhere. Of note, however, is that I have electric trim installed
in the Elevator, and the full-swivel tailwheel fork, both of which add some
weight to the far aft location.
>
> I would appreciate some feedback on selecting an exacting location for the battery
given my situation. Also, what gauge battery cables to use given the remote
location.
>
> Its great to be back on the project; I'm looking forward to getting back into
the discussions on the List!
>
> Thanks for the help!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-4 #1762 - N442RV (res)
> Matronics List Administrator
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Pic of CHEAP Oil Cutter |
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| Subject: | Re: Battery Location - RV4+180HP+CS+ETrim+FullSwivelTailwheel |
In a message dated 04/28/2008 1:47:41 PM Central Daylight Time,
dralle@matronics.com writes:
I would appreciate some feedback on selecting an exacting location for the
battery given my situation. Also, what gauge battery cables to use given the
remote location.
>>>>
Check the archives...
8-)
'bout damn time ya got that thing rolling again!
Mark
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