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1. 05:19 AM - Re: ZULU Headsets (bluesidedown)
2. 06:05 AM - Re: Re: ZULU Headsets (Sam Buchanan)
3. 07:35 AM - Re: New Products from TCW Technologies (Tailgummer@aol.com)
4. 08:15 AM - Re: New Products from TCW Technologies (Bob-tcw)
5. 08:15 AM - Re: Fab Bypass Filter (mr.gsun@gmail.com)
6. 10:50 AM - Re: Fab Bypass Filter (Carl Froehlich)
7. 05:43 PM - Re: Fab Bypass Filter (mr.gsun@gmail.com)
8. 06:22 PM - new aviation services available (Brian Kraut)
9. 10:25 PM - Re: cowling filler (David Cudney)
10. 10:43 PM - Re: cowling filler (Vanremog@aol.com)
11. 10:45 PM - Re: cowling filler (Deems Davis)
12. 11:05 PM - Official RV-List FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) (Matt Dralle)
13. 11:06 PM - Official RV-List Usage Guidelines (Matt Dralle)
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| Subject: | Re: ZULU Headsets |
Thanks for the suggestions; I did turn the gain and sidetone down on the radio
and it helped but the headsets are not as good as the set of Bose I used especially
the MIC. At full power they warbled (if that is the best way to describe
the condition when the ANR won't keep up) and the Mic is not what I would expect.
Not to say they are bad at all for no other headset besides the Zulu's and
Bose has worked at all in this plane. As for the suggestion to contact Lightspeed
I did try to contact them three times. I left a message on the service
line and I sent two e-mails via their web site. So far nothing and that is why
wrote this to begin with to let others know. You spend that much for a headset
and can't get any customer support?? Anyway they are going back or if someone
waiting for a pair wants them I will sell them for cost and they work great
in a little less noisy cockpit. Like I said before my buddy said they where the
bomb in his Titan. E-mail me @mbick@carolina.rr.com if you are interested.
Mike
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=185693#185693
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| Subject: | Re: ZULU Headsets |
bluesidedown wrote:
>
>
> Thanks for the suggestions; I did turn the gain and sidetone down on
> the radio and it helped but the headsets are not as good as the set
> of Bose I used especially the MIC. At full power they warbled (if
> that is the best way to describe the condition when the ANR won't
> keep up) and the Mic is not what I would expect. Not to say they are
> bad at all for no other headset besides the Zulu's and Bose has
> worked at all in this plane. As for the suggestion to contact
> Lightspeed I did try to contact them three times. I left a message on
> the service line and I sent two e-mails via their web site. So far
> nothing and that is why wrote this to begin with to let others know.
> You spend that much for a headset and can't get any customer
> support?? Anyway they are going back or if someone waiting for a pair
> wants them I will sell them for cost and they work great in a little
> less noisy cockpit. Like I said before my buddy said they where
> the bomb in his Titan. E-mail me @mbick@carolina! .rr.com if
> you are interested.
>
> Mike
I don't want to belabor this issue but Lightspeed has a stellar
reputation for customer support. Many, many times (and twice over twelve
years for me) they have rebuilt headsets out of warranty at no charge. I
have never had any problems contacting them and their service has always
been prompt and efficient.
I don't know why you are having problems with the Zulu or customer
service, but from my dealings with Lightspeed, and the reports of
numerous customers on this list from their earliest days with the 15K (I
still have one) your service difficulty is the rare exception.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: New Products from TCW Technologies |
Great products, Bob. Thank you for offering to us!!
Jon D'Onofrio RV8
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
(http://food.aol.com/tyler-florence?video=4&?NCID=aolfod00030000000002)
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| Subject: | Re: New Products from TCW Technologies |
THANKS---- Stay tuned.... Oshkosh is not far away. There's more to
come!.
Bob Newman
TCW Technologies
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Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 10:31 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: New Products from TCW Technologies
Great products, Bob. Thank you for offering to us!!
Jon D'Onofrio RV8
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| Subject: | Re: Fab Bypass Filter |
So it sounds like the consensus is a bypass air flapper is a good idea for
things in addition to ice. However, does opening one while in cruise help
with MP and power? How about if it is getting cold air from below the prop
somewhere? Greg
do not archive
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:36 AM, linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
> Not exactly RV-related, but my Pitts has an alternate air flapper as
> standard equipment. Much like the heat flapper on the firewall. Remember
> that besides snow/ice, the filters have been blocked by swarms of bugs, and
> toilet paper ('ribbon cutting' for the masses that like to play) and even
> balloons (again playing with our airplanes) .......and because I like to
> play ...... well, I'll have and alternate air source for my engine. I don't
> mind an extra cable or fab time if it'll save my butt because I participated
> in some activity at a flyin.
> YMMV.
> Linn
>
> Tim Lewis wrote:
>
>>
>> There's been one RV-6 fatal accident (that I personally know of) traced to
>> a snow-clogged air filter. Pilot and passenger killed. I was lucky to
>> survive the same thing in my RV-6A several years ago. Van's bypass came out
>> shortly thereafter.
>>
>> Observations: - Snow at night or while IMC may not be visible or
>> recognized. - The air filter can be blocked even when there is absolutely no
>> visible moisture accumulation on the airframe exterior.
>> - "I'll remember to use carb heat as a preventative" can be
>> overlooked/forgotten. - Once blockage has occurred, the carb heat in an RV
>> (using the carb heat muff) will not melt the snow sufficient to restore
>> required air flow into the engine.
>>
>> Omit a filter bypass at your peril.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> P.S.
>>
>> Other observations:
>> - There exists a breed of FAA "investigator" who will manufacture
>> fantastic stories if the facts don't support his pet views.
>> - A closed mouth and the AOPA legal services plan can be effective tools
>> against this sort of FAA fiction writer.
>>
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | Fab Bypass Filter |
I believe the Van's FAB/cowl arrangement provides a slight increase in MP.
Running with the filter bypass open would both drop MP and increase air temp
to the engine - both are negative attributes for engine power.
If you are suggesting adding another ram air intake for operations when
bypassing the filter, some thoughts:
- You would not be able to measure the increase in MP if there is
any. The large air filter used by Van's is very efficient.
- The extra intake would be hard to configure without the cowl
looking ugly (at best) or adding unnecessary drag (at worst).
- You will end up with the same ice/bird blockage problem that the
bypass was intended to prevent, except in this case your normal intake may
have experienced the same blockage, thus you end up with no engine.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (425 hrs)
RV-10 (flaps)
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of mr.gsun@gmail.com
Sent: Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Fab Bypass Filter
So it sounds like the consensus is a bypass air flapper is a good idea for
things in addition to ice. However, does opening one while in cruise help
with MP and power? How about if it is getting cold air from below the prop
somewhere? Greg
do not archive
On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:36 AM, linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
Not exactly RV-related, but my Pitts has an alternate air flapper as
standard equipment. Much like the heat flapper on the firewall. Remember
that besides snow/ice, the filters have been blocked by swarms of bugs, and
toilet paper ('ribbon cutting' for the masses that like to play) and even
balloons (again playing with our airplanes) .......and because I like to
play ...... well, I'll have and alternate air source for my engine. I don't
mind an extra cable or fab time if it'll save my butt because I participated
in some activity at a flyin.
YMMV.
Linn
Tim Lewis wrote:
There's been one RV-6 fatal accident (that I personally know of) traced to a
snow-clogged air filter. Pilot and passenger killed. I was lucky to survive
the same thing in my RV-6A several years ago. Van's bypass came out shortly
thereafter.
Observations: - Snow at night or while IMC may not be visible or recognized.
- The air filter can be blocked even when there is absolutely no visible
moisture accumulation on the airframe exterior.
- "I'll remember to use carb heat as a preventative" can be
overlooked/forgotten. - Once blockage has occurred, the carb heat in an RV
(using the carb heat muff) will not melt the snow sufficient to restore
required air flow into the engine.
Omit a filter bypass at your peril.
Tim
P.S.
Other observations:
- There exists a breed of FAA "investigator" who will manufacture fantastic
stories if the facts don't support his pet views.
- A closed mouth and the AOPA legal services plan can be effective tools
against this sort of FAA fiction writer.
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| Subject: | Re: Fab Bypass Filter |
Carl, I now have the horizontal induction with fuel injection and the
filter is in the right engine intake. I love the looks and wouldn't want t
o
add the "snout" underneath. I'm not sure how much loss, if any, I get by
not having the ram air intake underneath. The K&N filter is approx 6" x 6"
and it is just inside the cowl opening. I question how much ram air
pressure I get in that spot. Greg
On Sun, Jun 1, 2008 at 10:46 AM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
wrote:
> I believe the Van's FAB/cowl arrangement provides a slight increase in
> MP. Running with the filter bypass open would both drop MP and increase
air
> temp to the engine ' both are negative attributes for engine power.
>
>
> If you are suggesting adding another ram air intake for operations when
> bypassing the filter, some thoughts:
>
> - You would not be able to measure the increase in MP if there i
s
> any. The large air filter used by Van's is very efficient.
>
> - The extra intake would be hard to configure without the cowl
> looking ugly (at best) or adding unnecessary drag (at worst).
>
> - You will end up with the same ice/bird blockage problem that
> the bypass was intended to prevent, except in this case your normal intak
e
> may have experienced the same blockage, thus you end up with no engine.
>
>
> Carl Froehlich
>
> RV-8A (425 hrs)
>
> RV-10 (flaps)
>
>
> *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:
> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *mr.gsun@gmail.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 01, 2008 11:11 AM
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com
> *Subject:* Re: RV-List: Fab Bypass Filter
>
>
> So it sounds like the consensus is a bypass air flapper is a good idea fo
r
> things in addition to ice. However, does opening one while in cruise hel
p
> with MP and power? How about if it is getting cold air from below the pr
op
> somewhere? Greg
>
> do not archive
>
> On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 5:36 AM, linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
>
> Not exactly RV-related, but my Pitts has an alternate air flapper as
> standard equipment. Much like the heat flapper on the firewall. Remembe
r
> that besides snow/ice, the filters have been blocked by swarms of bugs, a
nd
> toilet paper ('ribbon cutting' for the masses that like to play) and even
> balloons (again playing with our airplanes) .......and because I like to
> play ...... well, I'll have and alternate air source for my engine. I do
n't
> mind an extra cable or fab time if it'll save my butt because I participa
ted
> in some activity at a flyin.
> YMMV.
> Linn
>
>
> Tim Lewis wrote:
>
>
> There's been one RV-6 fatal accident (that I personally know of) traced t
o
> a snow-clogged air filter. Pilot and passenger killed. I was lucky to
> survive the same thing in my RV-6A several years ago. Van's bypass came
out
> shortly thereafter.
>
> Observations: - Snow at night or while IMC may not be visible or
> recognized. - The air filter can be blocked even when there is absolutely
no
> visible moisture accumulation on the airframe exterior.
> - "I'll remember to use carb heat as a preventative" can be
> overlooked/forgotten. - Once blockage has occurred, the carb heat in an R
V
> (using the carb heat muff) will not melt the snow sufficient to restore
> required air flow into the engine.
>
> Omit a filter bypass at your peril.
>
> Tim
>
> P.S.
>
> Other observations:
> - There exists a breed of FAA "investigator" who will manufacture fantast
ic
> stories if the facts don't support his pet views.
> - A closed mouth and the AOPA legal services plan can be effective tools
> against this sort of FAA fiction writer.
>
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| Subject: | new aviation services available |
I have started offering builder assistance, parts manufacturing, instrument
panels, electrical and avionics assistance, condition and prebuy
inspections, and other services on my web site. The new page describing some
of my services is available at:
http://www.engalt.com/aviation_services.htm
And in case any of you have invented the next great widget and need someone
to complete the design, make a prototype, or manufacture the completed
product that is also one of the things that I do.
My email is brian@engalt.com. I delete about 400 spams a day and quite often
delete good emails when wading through the spams so use a meaningfull
subject line and email me again if you don't hear back in a few days or call
me at 904-743-7802.
Brian Kraut
Engineering Alternatives, Inc.
www.engalt.com
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| Subject: | Re: cowling filler |
I want to fill the texture "pin holes" in my cowl before mounting the
cam locs to the firewall edges of the cowl. I tried Evercoat Feather
Fill primer and Evercoat Metal Glaze and was disappointed with the
results -- got nearly as many "pin holes" as before I made the
applications. I'm thinking of trying micro balloons next. What has
worked best for you guys out there????
Thanks
dave
>
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| Subject: | Re: cowling filler |
In a message dated 6/1/2008 10:26:50 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
yenduc@sbcglobal.net writes:
I want to fill the texture "pin holes" in my cowl before mounting the cam
locs to the firewall edges of the cowl. I tried Evercoat Feather Fill primer
and Evercoat Metal Glaze and was disappointed with the results -- got nearly
as many "pin holes" as before I made the applications. I'm thinking of
trying micro balloons next. What has worked best for you guys out there????
================================================
Make small batches of a loose slurry of (insert favorite epoxy compound
here) and microballoons and use a plastic spreader to work it into the offending
surfaces. You really want to fill the holes so use a good scrub to get it
into, not on the surfaces. Then sand and prime. I used light coats of DuPont
Uro primer block sanded in between.
-GV
**************Get trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with
Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.
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| Subject: | Re: cowling filler |
It's not so much what you use but how you apply it. Get an old credit
card or reasonable fact similie, brush or roll on your filler, to a
relatively small area (say 10" x 10" ). it doesnt' have to be a lot of
filler as this step is only going to ofill the pinholes & voids. Then
use the credit card to squeegee the surface with the filler (Metal glaze
will probably set up too fast for this application) . In my experience
Poly Fiber UV smooth Prime works wonderfully and 'dries' within minutes
and is water based. This will fill 99.9% of the pinholes in the 1st
application, and then you can proceed to prime the part/s as desired.
Others have used a razor blade instead of the credit cards, and some use
an epoxy mix as a filler.
Deems Davis # 406
'Its all done....Its just not put together'
http://deemsrv10.com/
David Cudney wrote:
> I want to fill the texture "pin holes" in my cowl before mounting the
> cam locs to the firewall edges of the cowl. I tried Evercoat Feather
> Fill primer and Evercoat Metal Glaze and was disappointed with the
> results -- got nearly as many "pin holes" as before I made the
> applications. I'm thinking of trying micro balloons next. What has
> worked best for you guys out there????
>
> Thanks
> dave
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UNIX compress format. Use "binary" data transfer methods.
Download Via FTP
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a number of formats as described above. (All filenames are case sensitive.)
ftp://ftp.matronics.com/pub/Archives
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toward the bottom of the following web page:
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for viruses. Please also note that the process of making the files and
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and will contain archive received up to the last minute. They make
great gifts!
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You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
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Dear Listers,
Please read over the RV-List Usage Guidelines below. The complete
RV-List FAQ including these Usage Guidelines can be found at the
following URL:
http://www.matronics.com/FAQs/RV-List.FAQ.html
Thank you,
Matt Dralle
Matronics Email List Administrator
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RV-List Usage Guidelines
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The following details the official Usage Guidelines for the RV-List.
You are encouraged to read it carefully, and to abide by the rules therein.
Failure to use the RV-List in the manner described below may result
in the removal of the subscribers from the List.
RV-List Policy Statement
The purpose of the RV-List is to provide a forum of discussion for
things related to this particular discussion group. The List's goals
are to serve as an information resource to its members; to deliver
high-quality content; to provide moral support; to foster camaraderie
among its members; and to support safe operation. Reaching these goals
requires the participation and cooperation of each and every member of
the List. To this end, the following guidelines have been established:
- Please keep all posts related to the List at some level. Do not submit
posts concerning computer viruses, urban legends, random humor, long
lost buddies' phone numbers, etc. etc.
- THINK carefully before you write. Ask yourself if your post will be
relevant to everyone. If you have to wonder about that, DON'T send it.
- Remember that your post will be included for posterity in an archive
that is growing in size at an extraordinary rate. Try to be concise and
terse in your posts. Avoid overly wordy and lengthy posts and
responses.
- Keep your signature brief. Please include your name, email address,
aircraft type/tail number, and geographic location. A short line
about where you are in the building process is also nice. Avoid
bulky signatures with character graphics; they consume unnecessary
space in the archive.
- DON'T post requests to the List for information when that info is
easily obtainable from other widely available sources. Consult the
web page or FAQ first.
- If you want to respond to a post, DO keep the "Subject:" line of
your response the same as that of the original post. This makes it
easy to find threads in the archive.
- When responding, NEVER quote the *entire* original post in your
response. DO use lines from the original post to help "tune in" the
reader to the topic at hand, but be selective. The impact that
quoting the entire original post has on the size of the archive
can not be overstated!
- When the poster asks you to respond to him/her personally, DO NOT
then go ahead and reply to the List. Be aware that clicking the
"reply" button on your mail package does not necessarily send your
response to the original poster. You might have to actively address
your response with the original poster's email address.
- DO NOT use the List to respond to a post unless you have something
to add that is relevant and has a broad appeal. "Way to go!", "I
agree", and "Congratulations" are all responses that are better sent
to the original poster directly, rather than to the List at large.
- When responding to others' posts, avoid the feeling that you need to
comment on every last point in their posts, unless you can truly
contribute something valuable.
- Feel free to disagree with other viewpoints, BUT keep your tone
polite and respectful. Don't make snide comments, personally attack
other listers, or take the moral high ground on an obviously
controversial issue. This will only cause a pointless debate that
will hurt feelings, waste bandwidth and resolve nothing.
- Occassional posts by vendors or individuals who are regularyly
subscribed to a given List are considered acceptable. Posts by
List members promoting their respective products or items for sale
should be of a friendly, informal nature, and should not resemble
a typical SPAM message. The List isn't about commercialism, but
is about sharing information and knowledge. This applies to
everyone, including those who provide products to the entire
community. Informal presentation and moderation should be the
operatives with respect to advertising on the Lists.
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