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1. 04:11 AM - Re: Re: Hanger House (Charles Heathco)
2. 06:14 AM - Re: Re: Hanger House (Tracy Crook)
3. 07:06 AM - Re: Re: Hanger House (linn Walters)
4. 08:13 AM - Re: Re: Hanger House (Tracy Crook)
5. 08:55 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 06/03/08 (Jeff Linebaugh)
6. 11:46 PM - Say What? (Vanremog@aol.com)
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger House |
As am on digest, reply is little late. 3 years ago I looked into airpark
living, visited many of them, most in Tx.Ok, and Ar. Have seen many
types, big steel hanger with home tucked inside , stick built house
with attached stick built hanger, nice conventionally built home with
breezeway to separate matching hanger. The former would be cheapest to
build compared to the later which looks much nicer, but much more cost
per sq ft. I passed on airpark living mainly because nearly all were
away from towns, not a good settup foir an older single guy. Charlie
Heathco, FYV. Do Not archive.
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger House |
I went with concrete block for the bottom (Hangar) with wood frame on top
(house).
Going down the inside stairs in the morming to fetch the paper and
seeing that RV-8 waiting for me - Priceless.
Insurance. Just made the decision to "go bare" after the rates have gone
nuts and doing a little research. Did you know that the payoff on a Vegas
slot machine is WAY better than insurance? I know, I'm nuts too.
Tracy Crook
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 AM, d wntzl <dwntzl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> I am planning a Hanger House in the Florida Panhandle. Originally
> planned on a steel
>
> stucture, but it is seeming that wood will be considerably more cost
> effective. My question
>
> is if any of you might have a feel for the insurance ramifications of
> either options?? I would
>
> hate to choose wood only to find out later that insurance is outrageous.
>
> Thanks, David Wentzell, RV6, Port St. Joe
>
>
> *
>
> *
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger House |
Tracy Crook wrote:
> I went with concrete block for the bottom (Hangar) with wood frame on
> top (house).
>
> Going down the inside stairs in the morming to fetch the paper and
> seeing that RV-8 waiting for me - Priceless.
>
> Insurance. Just made the decision to "go bare" after the rates have
> gone nuts and doing a little research. Did you know that the payoff
> on a Vegas slot machine is WAY better than insurance?
Not for my wife, it isn't!!! Sorry to clutter your inbox, but I just
got back from Vegas!!!
Linn
> I know, I'm nuts too.
> Tracy Crook
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| Subject: | Re: Hanger House |
Not for my wife, it isn't!!! Sorry to clutter your inbox, but I just got
back from Vegas!!!
Linn
I didn't turn a profit on those Vegas slots either Linn, but on the other
hand, Laura & I only dropped a C note worth of nickles in Vegas, got served
free drinks by pretty ladies while doing it and had a good time with friends
to boot.
OTOH, during my 42 years of buying insurance (non health), I've dropped
enough to pay for my house and car and didn't even get kissed <G> The
insurance "slot machine" didn't pay off a single time. Of course, YMMV.
On a side note, I find that I am much more cautious about fire and other
hazards and how I drive when I know I am responsible for anything that
happens.
To make this RV related, I'm saving enough by not buying insurance this year
to pay for over 100 hours of RV flight time. Makes me smile every time I
light the fire on that rotary engine.
Tracy Crook do not archive
On Wed, Jun 4, 2008 at 10:01 AM, linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
wrote:
>
> Tracy Crook wrote:
>
>> I went with concrete block for the bottom (Hangar) with wood frame on top
>> (house). Going down the inside stairs in the morming to fetch the paper
>> and seeing that RV-8 waiting for me - Priceless. Insurance. Just made
>> the decision to "go bare" after the rates have gone nuts and doing a little
>> research. Did you know that the payoff on a Vegas slot machine is WAY
>> better than insurance?
>>
> Not for my wife, it isn't!!! Sorry to clutter your inbox, but I just got
>> back from Vegas!!!
>> Linn
>> I know, I'm nuts too.
>> Tracy Crook
>>
>
>
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| Subject: | RE: RV-List Digest: 9 Msgs - 06/03/08 |
Termites are ferocious in FL. It may be difficult for you to get a termite
bond, depending on the area, if you go with wood construction. Also, some
codes require concrete block for hurricane protection. Sounds like you will
need to do your homework on your particular area. As my AF flight commander
always said...avoid the big three: dumb, dangerous or different.
Jeff Linebaugh
jefflinebaugh@bellsouth.net
________________________________ Message 3
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Time: 07:35:05 AM PST US
From: d wntzl <dwntzl@yahoo.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Hanger House
Hey Guys,
I am planning a Hanger House in the Florida Panhandle.
Originally
planned on a steel
stucture, but it is seeming that wood will be considerably more cost
effective.
My question
is if any of you might have a feel for the insurance ramifications of either
options??
I would
hate to choose wood only to find out later that insurance is outrageous.
Thanks, David Wentzell, RV6, Port St. Joe
________________________________ Message 4
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Time: 07:35:27 AM PST US
From: David Cudney <yenduc@sbcglobal.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: cowling filler
Tom:
I called and got similar advice on the roller application. How long
did you let it dry between roller applications to get your three plus
three coats? I plan to let it dry for a couple of weeks after the
last sanding before I apply a seal coat of either epoxy or
polyurethane top primer. They stressed that it is necessary to put on
a top coat of a primer that requires a catalyst particularly if you
plan to fly the plane for a while before painting.
Thanks to all of you for your help
dave
On Jun 2, 2008, at 10:43 PM, tom sargent wrote:
>
> I've had mixed results with UV smooth prime. Often it cures with
> tiny bubbles in it or has just too much texture. By the time you
> sand all the texture out, it's all gone. It worked well on my
> spinner but it seemed like it was an awful lot of work. Recently I
> seemed to get better results thinning it slightly - about 5% - with
> water. That may suppress the bubbles and texturing a bit.
>
> Polyfiber advised using a foam roller (their preferred method
> apparently) with the smallest foam cell size possible. I think that
> did help. It seems I have to put on about 6 very thin coats, then
> sand 95% of it away. Yes, 6. That's what they told me. I do 3,
> sand it a bit and then 3 more. And you must let it sit for a couple
> weeks before painting to let the water get out of it.
>
> Does any one have any advice on using this stuff? Am I doing it
> wrong? Polyfiber doesn't seem to have all the recommended
> procedures in one place. Some is on the can, some on their website
> and some you get by calling up and asking. Frustrating. But I
> guess that's fiberglass for you. It's expensive too.
>
> --
> Tom S. - RV-6A
> stuck in fiberglass hell.
>
>
________________________________ Message 5
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Time: 09:16:56 AM PST US
From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Hanger House
Dave,
Most houses in the US and Canada are wood framed. I would expect the costs
of insurance will have more to do with replacement costs than anything else.
The building codes will require a fire separation wall between the hanger
and house, just as they will between a garage and a house. This wall will
most likely be constructed of gypsum wall board on a frame of whatever the
house is framed with, or it could be a concrete wall if the house is
concrete. Wood frame construction can and should be designed to handle
almost any anticipated wind forces, including hurricanes. Often it is best
to see how others are building or have built in the same location to get a
feel for the most cost effective methods.
Terry
RV-8A
Seattle
Architect (housing)
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of d wntzl
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 7:29 AM
Subject: RV-List: Re: Hanger House
Hey Guys,
I am planning a Hanger House in the Florida Panhandle. Originally planned
on a steel
stucture, but it is seeming that wood will be considerably more cost
effective. My question
is if any of you might have a feel for the insurance ramifications of either
options?? I would
hate to choose wood only to find out later that insurance is outrageous.
Thanks, David Wentzell, RV6, Port St. Joe
________________________________ Message 6
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Time: 11:19:14 AM PST US
From: "Ollie Washburn" <ollie6a@embarqmail.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Hanger House
Most of the hanger homes on OUR airpark are of cement block
construction and new ones are going in the 450K range. Luckily we got
here a few years ago.
Ollie, Loves Landing Airpark, Central FL>
On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 AM, d wntzl <dwntzl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hey Guys,
>
> I am planning a Hanger House in the Florida Panhandle. Originally
planned
> on a steel
>
> stucture, but it is seeming that wood will be considerably more cost
> effective. My question
>
> is if any of you might have a feel for the insurance ramifications of
either
> options?? I would
>
> hate to choose wood only to find out later that insurance is outrageous.
>
> Thanks, David Wentzell, RV6, Port St. Joe
>
>
________________________________ Message 7
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Time: 12:36:45 PM PST US
From: "Tim Bryan" <n616tb@btsapps.com>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: Hanger House
Most on our airpark have built big steel buildings with a partition to
create the house. I could not bring myself to do this (I don't think they
are attractive for residential) so I got a quote for a chip face colored
block building. Surprise, it was cheaper. That is what I have and I love
it. It is attractive, cooler, has flat walls inside, needs no paint, and is
residential. Did I mention it looks much better than the steel warehouse
buildings? :-) Just my opinion of course.
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB almost 100 hours now
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-
> server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ollie Washburn
> Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2008 1:14 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Hanger House
>
>
> Most of the hanger homes on OUR airpark are of cement block
> construction and new ones are going in the 450K range. Luckily we got
> here a few years ago.
>
> Ollie, Loves Landing Airpark, Central FL>
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2008 at 10:29 AM, d wntzl <dwntzl@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > Hey Guys,
> >
> > I am planning a Hanger House in the Florida Panhandle. Originally
> planned
> > on a steel
> >
> > stucture, but it is seeming that wood will be considerably more cost
> > effective. My question
> >
> > is if any of you might have a feel for the insurance ramifications of
> either
> > options?? I would
> >
> > hate to choose wood only to find out later that insurance is outrageous.
> >
> > Thanks, David Wentzell, RV6, Port St. Joe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
________________________________ Message 8
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Time: 09:03:16 PM PST US
From: tom sargent <sarg314@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: cowling filler
David:
Not very long at all. 10 minutes seems to do it. On the spinner, I
think I put on the 3 coats one night and the other 3 the next night.
David Cudney wrote:
>
> Tom:
>
> I called and got similar advice on the roller application. How long did
> you let it dry between roller applications to get your three plus three
> coats? I plan to let it dry for a couple of weeks after the last
> sanding before I apply a seal coat of either epoxy or polyurethane top
> primer. They stressed that it is necessary to put on a top coat of a
> primer that requires a catalyst particularly if you plan to fly the
> plane for a while before painting.
>
>
> Thanks to all of you for your help
>
> dave
>
________________________________ Message 9
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Time: 09:21:55 PM PST US
From: tom sargent <sarg314@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: cowling filler
I should add that I live in southern arizona, so it's hot and super dry
here (5% humidity yesterday) so things dry out fast.
tom sargent wrote:
>
> David:
> Not very long at all. 10 minutes seems to do it. On the spinner, I
> think I put on the 3 coats one night and the other 3 the next night.
>
> David Cudney wrote:
>>
>> Tom:
>>
>> I called and got similar advice on the roller application. How long
>> did you let it dry between roller applications to get your three plus
>> three coats? I plan to let it dry for a couple of weeks after the
>> last sanding before I apply a seal coat of either epoxy or
>> polyurethane top primer. They stressed that it is necessary to put on
>> a top coat of a primer that requires a catalyst particularly if you
>> plan to fly the plane for a while before painting.
>>
>>
>
>
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