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1. 01:47 AM - Re: Re: SLICK MAGS (RICHARD MILLER)
2. 05:32 AM - Re: Re: SLICK MAGS (linn Walters)
3. 12:59 PM - Re: Re: SLICK MAGS (RICHARD MILLER)
4. 04:46 PM - FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Tail Kit + Tools + Primer + Construction Videos for $2500 in Vancouver BC (Brandon Rigio)
5. 06:37 PM - Re: FOR SALE: Isham RV Tool Kit with upgrades (Michael Karatsonyi)
6. 07:37 PM - Re: SLICK MAGS (Ralph Finch)
7. 08:31 PM - Re: Re: SLICK MAGS (RV6 Flyer)
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sam
how many of us are flying with slicks? alot. how many of us did not know th
at a mag that passed mag checks would cause high egts while failing.? not m
any. durring this disaster if have talked to cont, lyc, cpa, unison, faa lo
cal fsdo, the aco repsonsible chicago,- and faa aco head washington.
-
responses:
cont
this is a major problem, critical service bulletin, they are adding a secon
d shift to the bendix line.
lyc
this is a major problem, critical service bulletin
cpa
this is a major problem, replace brush with pma from aero accessory 1800-82
2-3200 no problems. note this does not solve the other problems. bad coils,
cases and cams.
unison
-we know about the problem, yes there is a problem with manufacturing tol
erances, no this is not a defect,"hey right" we will not have a good brush
design ready untill augest and are redoing tolling and inspection proceedur
es.. yes we will continue to ship old stock with the problem, and no recall
s are in the works
-
faa local fsdo
call the aco, lots of help there
-
aco chicago
we dont see a serious problem and "you have two mags anyways"
-
washington aco
showed some concern waiting for reponse. they where a little concren about
the "you have two mags anyways" line but i question if that was only pr
-
how many of of us comply with service bulletins, the average feeling is tha
t the faa will issue an ad if there is a real problem. remember ad stands f
or "after death". if this had happened to a chevy- 20 million cars would
already be recalled. the service bulletins are required for only one percen
t of the fleet. but what about the rest. that is why i write this. and if i
t bothers you sooooooooo much, delete it.
rick
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| Subject: | Re: RE: SLICK MAGS |
I'm glad someone has the knowledge and time to ask the question, and you
have my thanks for that. I just fly, and don't know may way around the
'system' like I should. If the problem is real ( i really don't know)
then it's up to the FAA to find it and issue whatever paperwork it takes
us to be safe. I have a new engine coming and don't want to get bad
mags with it. Or have to spend additional money to get it fixed!!!
Linn
do not archive
RICHARD MILLER wrote:
>
> sam
>
> how many of us are flying with slicks? alot. how many of us did not
> know that a mag that passed mag checks would cause high egts while
> failing.? not many. durring this disaster if have talked to cont, lyc,
> cpa, unison, faa local fsdo, the aco repsonsible chicago, and faa aco
> head washington.
>
>
>
> responses:
>
> cont
>
> this is a major problem, critical service bulletin, they are adding a
> second shift to the bendix line.
>
> lyc
>
> this is a major problem, critical service bulletin
>
> cpa
>
> this is a major problem, replace brush with pma from aero accessory
> 1800-822-3200 no problems. note this does not solve the other
> problems. bad coils, cases and cams.
>
> unison
>
> we know about the problem, yes there is a problem with manufacturing
> tolerances, no this is not a defect,"hey right" we will not have a
> good brush design ready untill augest and are redoing tolling and
> inspection proceedures.. yes we will continue to ship old stock with
> the problem, and no recalls are in the works
>
>
>
> faa local fsdo
>
> call the aco, lots of help there
>
>
>
> aco chicago
>
> we dont see a serious problem and "you have two mags anyways"
>
>
>
> washington aco
>
> showed some concern waiting for reponse. they where a little concren
> about the "you have two mags anyways" line but i question if that was
> only pr
>
>
>
> how many of of us comply with service bulletins, the average feeling
> is that the faa will issue an ad if there is a real problem. remember
> ad stands for "after death". if this had happened to a chevy 20
> million cars would already be recalled. the service bulletins are
> required for only one percent of the fleet. but what about the rest.
> that is why i write this. and if it bothers you sooooooooo much,
> delete it.
>
> rick
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *
>
>
> *
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| Subject: | Re: RE: SLICK MAGS |
current status.- the faa is issuing a saib today
rick
--- On Tue, 7/8/08, linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> wrote:
From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: SLICK MAGS
I'm glad someone has the knowledge and time to ask the question, and you ha
ve my thanks for that.- I just fly, and don't know may way around the 'sy
stem' like I should.- If the problem is real ( i really don't know) then
it's up to the FAA to find it and issue whatever paperwork it takes us to b
e safe.- I have a new engine coming and don't want to get bad mags with i
t.- Or have to spend additional money to get it fixed!!!
Linn
do not archive
RICHARD MILLER wrote:
sam
how many of us are flying with slicks? alot. how many of us did not know th
at a mag that passed mag checks would cause high egts while failing.? not m
any. durring this disaster if have talked to cont, lyc, cpa, unison, faa lo
cal fsdo, the aco repsonsible chicago,- and faa aco head washington.
-
responses:
cont
this is a major problem, critical service bulletin, they are adding a secon
d shift to the bendix line.
lyc
this is a major problem, critical service bulletin
cpa
this is a major problem, replace brush with pma from aero accessory 1800-82
2-3200 no problems. note this does not solve the other problems. bad coils,
cases and cams.
unison
-we know about the problem, yes there is a problem with manufacturing tol
erances, no this is not a defect,"hey right" we will not have a good brush
design ready untill augest and are redoing tolling and inspection proceedur
es.. yes we will continue to ship old stock with the problem, and no recall
s are in the works
-
faa local fsdo
call the aco, lots of help there
-
aco chicago
we dont see a serious problem and "you have two mags anyways"
-
washington aco
showed some concern waiting for reponse. they where a little concren about
the "you have two mags anyways" line but i question if that was only pr
-
how many of of us comply with service bulletins, the average feeling is tha
t the faa will issue an ad if there is a real problem. remember ad stands f
or "after death". if this had happened to a chevy- 20 million cars would
already be recalled. the service bulletins are required for only one percen
t of the fleet. but what about the rest. that is why i write this. and if i
t bothers you sooooooooo much, delete it.
rick
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| Subject: | FS: RV9/9A Unassembled Tail Kit + Tools + Primer + Construction |
Videos for $2500 in Vancouver BC
I am putting my unassembled RV9 Empennage (VS spar match drilled) with
electric trim option and everything needed to complete the kit up for
sale. This includes all the hand tools needed, Sherwin Williams E2G973
primer and reducer, preview plans if wanted, and the construction
videos.
This is everything needed to start assembling your RV9/9A right away.
Not a single rivet pounded on this kit.
I would like $2500 for everything and need to get rid of it ASAP. If
you are planning to start a kit or know someone that is please consider
this or pass it along. It is everything you need to start building
immediately.
Tools picture:
http://server6.theimagehosting.com/image.php?img=tools.6cf.JPG
Tool List:
Pop rivet tool, Cleaveland
3 =BC" Seaming pliers
1 3/4 " vise grip seaming pliers, Avery
Vosburg edge forming tool
Cleco pliers
Taylor 2X rivet gun, Cleaveland
Sioux 1/4" pneumatic drill
Ct. Sink cage,Avery #19360
Dimple dies #30
Dimple dies #40
Dimple dies #6
Dimple dies #8
Dimple die,female 3/8 Dia. #40
Dimple die,female 3/8 Dia. #30
#40 cupped squeezer set, I pc.
1 3/16 ct. sink cutter, 3 flute #1057,threaded
1-#30 single flute Ct. sink cutter "
1-#19 Three flute Ct sink cutter. "
1-#40 Three flute Ct. sink cutter "
1-#40 single flute Ct. sink cutter "
1-single flute deburring cutter "
1-set #40 Pop rivet dimple dies
1-set #30 Pop rivet dimple dies
1 set #4 screw dimple dies
1-back rivet set
1- Avery swivel flush set
1 Avery flat set
1-#27 3 flute Ct. sink cutter,threaded
1-flat squeezer set 1/8 X =BD
1-set, 4 pcs. Plexi drills
1 Avery plastic dimpling hammer
60 Pcs. 1/8" Clecos
1-Rod end bearing tool, wrench
225-- 3/32 Clecos
1- Cleaveland C frame tool
2- Bucking Bars
Thank you,
Brandon Rigio
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| Subject: | FOR SALE: Isham RV Tool Kit with upgrades |
i am very interested=2C however i dont want to low ball you=2C i am also a
veteran of the us army (airborne infantry) and i am on a budget=2C i really
would like to purchase your kit however my budget is $1500 plus shipping i
f we can make a deal i would greatly appreciate it. Michael> Date: Sun=2C 6
Jul 2008 17:42:04 -0400> From: dan@familybrown.org> To: rv-list@matronics.
com> Subject: RV-List: FOR SALE: Isham RV Tool Kit with upgrades> > --> RV-
List message posted by: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>> > -----BEGIN PGP S
IGNED MESSAGE-----> Hash: SHA1> > For a variety of reasons=2C mostly relati
ng to my being called to active> duty with the Army=2C I won't be able to c
omplete my planned RV-7A.> Consequently=2C I'll need to sell my tools. This
is the complete Isham> kit pictured at:> > http://www.store-planetools.com
/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=9> > This kit includes a pneumati
c rivet squeezer and the popular DRDT-2> dimpling tool.> > In addition=2C t
he following extras are included:> > Screw-adjustable Rivet Squeezer Ram (a
$70 value)> Avery Longeron Yoke (a $150 value)> Avery Thin-nose (no-hole)
Yoke (a $140 value)> Avery back-rivet plate (a $50 value)> Avery flush swiv
el rivet set (a $40 value)> A couple of additional countersink cutters> Add
itional side-grip clecos (about 10 extra of each=2C IIRC)> > That's $450 in
upgrades=2C in addition to the Isham set. All tools are in> excellent cond
ition. The air drill is NOT=2C repeat NOT included=3B> everything else is.>
> This would cost nearly $3000 for these tools ordered new. I'll take> $25
00 OBO=2C plus shipping. If you're local to Fayetteville=2C NC=2C you can>
pick up. Contact me by e-mail at dan@familybrown.org if interested.> Thanks
for your interest!> > The following tools are included:> > DRDT-2 Dimpler*
(email for delivery date on DRDT-2)> Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (U.S.A.)*> 3
=94 C-Yoke Installed on Squeezer (U.S.A.)*> Adjustable Set Holder for Pneum
atic Squeezer (U.S.A.)*> 3X Rivet Gun with excellent teasing trigger*> EZ c
hange spring for straight rivet sets*> EZ Change Spring for flush sets (Sna
p-On Ind U.S.A.)*> Swivel and Air Flow Restrictor with fine precision adjus
tment*> 1=94 Diameter Flush Rivet Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> 3/32=94 Cupped Riv
et Set 3.5=94 (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> 1/8=94 Cupped Rivet Set 3.5=94 (Snap-On U.
S.A.)*> 3/16=94 Cupped Rivet Set 3.5=94 (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> 1/8=94 Double Of
fset Rivet Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> Back Rivet Set* (Special Small 1/2" Diame
ter for RV's)> Mini-Bucking Bar=2C 1 lb. (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> Bulkhead Buckin
g Bar (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> Footed Bucking Bar (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> Microstop Co
untersink Unit=2C needle-bearing=2C non-chattering (U.S.A.)*> #40 Countersi
nk Bit=2C 3/32=94 (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> #30 Countersink Bit=2C for 1/8=94 & #6
Screw (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> #8 Countersink Bit=2C #8 Screw (Snap-On U.S.A.)*>
#10 Countersink Bit=2C #10 Screw (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> Left Cut Snips=2C easy
to use offset type (Klein Tools U.S.A.)*> Right Cut Snips=2C easy to use o
ffset type (Klein Tools U.S.A.)*> Straight Cut Snips=2C easy to use offset
type (Klein Tools U.S.A.)*> #40 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bits for 3/32=94 rive
ts=2C 8 each> #30 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bits for 1/8=94 rivets=2C 6 each> #
27 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bit> #21 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bit> #19 Aviation C
obalt Drill Bit> #12 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bit> 1/4" Aviation Cobalt Drill
Bit> 12=94 Aviation Extra Long #40 Drill Bit> 12=94 Aviation Extra Long #30
Drill Bit> Deburr Tool=2C Speed Handle Type for small & large holes (U.S.A
.)*> Cleco Pliers*> 4 Cleco Clamps=2C 1/2" (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.S.
A.)*> 4 Cleco Clamps=2C 1=94 (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.S.A.)*> Pop Rive
t Tool=2C Professional Heavy-Duty unit with Swivel Head*> 3/32" Universal C
upped Squeezer Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> 1/8=94 Universal Cupped Squeezer Set
(Snap-On U.S.A.)*> 5/32" Universal Cupped Squeezer Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> 3
/16=94 Universal Cupped Squeezer Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> Flat Squeezer Set 1
/8=94 (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> Flat Squeezer Set 1/4" (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> Flat Squ
eezer Set 3/8=94 (Snap-On U.S.A.)*> Flat Squeezer Set 1/2" (Snap-On U.S.A.)
*> 3/32=94 Rivet Dimple Die (Springback U.S.A.)*> 1/8=94 Rivet Dimple Die (
Springback U.S.A.)*> 5/32" Dimple Die*> 3/16" - #10 Screw Dimple Die*> #8 S
crew Dimple Die*> #6 Screw Dimple Die*> Squeezer Set Organizer*> Squeezer S
et Adjustment Washers *> Stainless Steel Rule=2C 12=94*> Unibit 1/4" - 3/4"
by 1/16ths=2C (Klein U.S.A.)*> 3 Permanent Markers=2C Sharpie> 1/2 x 1 Red
ucers for 3M Wheel*> 325 Cleco Fasteners=2C 3/32=94 (Calif Assoc Prod or Ze
phyr U.S.A.)*> 175 Cleco Fasteners=2C 1/8=94 (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.
S.A.)*> 10 Cleco Fasteners=2C 5/32" (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.S.A.)*> 1
0 Cleco Fasteners=2C 3/16=94 (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.S.A.)*> Edge Deb
urring Tool=2C Hex Swivel type*> Fluting Pliers=2C Smooth Flute Nylon Jaws*
> Fluting Pliers=2C Deep =93V=94 Nylon Jaws*> Rivet Cutter*> Air Tool Oil>
Drill Stop Set of 4 with Allen Wrench*> Rivet Set DOTS=2C Easier than Rivet
Tape> 3/32=94 Pop Rivet Dimple Die=2C Springback (U.S.A.)*> 1/8=94 Pop Riv
et Dimple Die=2C Springback (U.S.A.)*> Hand Seamer (Klein Tools U.S.A.)*> 3
/32=94 Drive Pin Punch (Klein Tools U.S.A.)*> 1/8=94 Drive Pin Punch (Klein
Tools U.S.A.)*> Scotch Brite Hand Pads=2C 4 each> Rivet Length Gauge*> Riv
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I don't understand this issue, could someone explain or point me to a
website....apparently a significant problem with Slick Mags??
Ralph Finch
Davis, CA
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http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-bulletins/pdfs
/SB58\
4.pdf
http://www.lycoming.textron.com/support/publications/service-bulletins/pdfs
/SB58\
3.pdf
One of the Unsion SB was revised 1 July 2008 but IMHO=2C it was a minor rev
ision.
Only one of my LASAR mags was in the S/N range listed in the Service Bullet
ins. It took me 1.5 hours to remove=2C inspect=2C reinstall and time to th
e engine. The cowl was off for an oil change.
The cam costs sixty cents and the brush cost less than $6 USD from Aircraft
Spruce.
Having an A&P license=2C the shop manuals and T-100 tool kit=2C I can servi
ce my own. The UNISON LASAR price increase in January 2008 priced the LAS
AR parts out of reach for most of us. I set my self up so that I can servi
ce my own as long as the controller does not go bad.
A homebuilder can do the inspection with a timing box=2C a Torx driver=2C a
nd a 4X magnifier. NO other special tools are necessary. The cam is made
out of plastic.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C
2=2C115 + Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA
From: rgf@dcn.davis.ca.us
Subject: RV-List: RE: SLICK MAGS
I don't understand
this issue=2C could someone explain or point me to a website....apparently
a
significant problem with Slick Mags??
Ralph
Finch
Davis=2C
CA
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