---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 07/21/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:58 AM - Re: RV8-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/08 (glen matejcek) 2. 05:38 AM - Re: IO-360 with vertical sump (Bret Smith) 3. 06:33 AM - Re: RV-8 "Tall-man" Option... (Larry Mac Donald) 4. 07:29 AM - Re: IO-360 Throttle/Mixture Installation (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR) 5. 10:19 AM - October Page, Az. Fly-In (Roger Lee) 6. 02:08 PM - IO-360 with vertical sump (James H Nelson) 7. 02:39 PM - Andair Corrosion (Dave Saylor) 8. 08:48 PM - RV-8 "Tall-man" Option... (FASTPILOTRV8) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:58:26 AM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: RV-List: RE: RV8-List Digest: 7 Msgs - 07/20/08 Hi Matt- I'm the 6' 5" guy. I fit with the std seats, but fit much better with the mod. IIRC, it moves the cross member aft 1 1/2". My wife is 5' 10" and fits fine in the back seat. I will be able to fly from the rear seat with the mod, but I wouldn't want to do it for very long. Cutting down (or otherwise modding) the rear seat throttle will be pretty much required to clear a tall person's knee, unless perhaps they are very much skinnier than I. One caveat: The original 'tall man' weldment moves the cross member straight back without lowering it at all. The original plans made no mention of the need to make the back of the rear seat taller. I forget the dimension, but it is on the order of 3/4". Without that mod, the original design seat back will just pass under the weldment. When making the taller seat, just stretch the seat back sheet metal to match the increase in dimension of the vertical members. glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.net > Fellow Listers, > > What exactly does the RV-8 "Tall-man" option entail? What modifications are made > to the seat, weldment, etc? I'm not finding any mention of it on the plans. > If you order the Tall-man option with the QB kit, can you opt for the "Regular-man" > option at build time? > > Knowing nothing about what it actually is, I assume it pushes the weldment back > some allowing you to mount the pilot's seat further aft. While I am a "Tall-man", > my preference would actually be to increase the pilot's seat back recline > amount by moving the weldment back, but leaving the bottom of the seat in the > normal position. Is this possible? > > Does anyone have any detailed pictures of what the Tall-man option looks like and > specifically how it differs from the Regular-man option? > > Thanks! > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:38:38 AM PST US From: "Bret Smith" Subject: Re: RV-List: IO-360 with vertical sump MessageThank you Terry, very nicely done. That is a great help. Bret Smith RV-9A "Canopy" Blue Ridge, GA www.FlightInnovations.com ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Watson To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:23 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: IO-360 with vertical sump I posted the pictures on this website: tcwatson.zenfolio.com. Look for the RV-8A details gallery. Feel free to poke around my other photos. There are a few very old photos of T-37 formation aerobatics by one of my pilot training classmates that are fun. Terry From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bret Smith Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 6:40 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: IO-360 with vertical sump Terry, I would like to see any photos you have. I am installing (actually, trying to figure out how) the AFP FI on my IO-360. Bret Smith RV-9A N16BL Blue Ridge, Ga www.FlightInnovations.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Terry Watson Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:49 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: IO-360 with vertical sump I have a series of detail photos of the bracket I made for my RV-8A with a Superior IO-360A1B with Airflow Performance fuel injection. As Carl says, it took a lot of aluminum to come up with just the right combination that would work. It's been awhile so I don't remember the details, but I can send the photos or post them to a website if that would help. Terry RV-8A #80729 Stalled in the shop ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:33:18 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 "Tall-man" Option... From: Larry Mac Donald Matt, I think it only means an option that was available at the begining. A different way to build the rudder pedals whereby you pull a lanyard between your legs, at the floor, and push or pull the spring loaded pedals to suit the length of your legs. HTH Larry Mac Donald lm4@juno.com Rochester N.Y. Do not archive On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:54:03 -0700 Matt Dralle writes: > > > Fellow Listers, > > What exactly does the RV-8 "Tall-man" option entail? > > I assume it pushes the > weldment back some allowing you to mount the pilot's seat further > aft. > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? Click to get a cash advance. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3mKetUgjMDw8jljFLJ2nadyXGLK5LercJ0KptFv0bz8zgvdp/ ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:29:08 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: RE: IO-360 Throttle/Mixture Installation From: "Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR" ED, Thanks for the reply. I'm installing the Precision Silver hawk Fuel body, which is essentially the same as the old Bendix unit, on a vertical sump TMX IO-360. Relative to a Carburetor, the throttle and mixture arms on the Fuel Body are reversed, and, as you have implied, the mixture arm requires an insert into the FAB box (or a 3/4" spacer between the FAB box and the Fuel Body). The bracket Van's supplies for the Carburetors is wrong for both throttle and mixture without some major changes. And, yes, there appears to be room in the cowl for the use of the spacer.... What I am looking at now is a custom made bracket that is designed in a manner similar to Van's unit. I figure I can make it out of .050" alum by bending the flanges in between two pieces of 3/4" plywood (using a hammer to "persuade it to bend...). What I don't know yet is the required cable lengths. It would seem that they would have to be shorter than vans recommended cables for a carburetor as the bracket tabs for mounting the cables are closer to the firewall. How much shorter, I don't know. I do have a set of cables from Van's, but I ordered cables that were longer. Might have to return them.... The RV- Listers have given me a lot of ideas to work with. If I come up with a successful bracket design, I'll make a formal drawing and post it on the list, along with my resultant cable lengths...... Fred Stucklen RV-7A N924RV ________________________________ From: Ed Pettiss [mailto:pettisse@hotmail.com] Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 9:18 AM Subject: IO-360 Throttle/Mixture Installation Most of the replies you got so far talk about making a custom bracket for an 8A. For my RV-7A with Superior IO-360 and vertical Precision fuel servo body, Van's sold me a ready-made mixture bracket (although I think I might have had to cut one face.) I definitely had to buy longer cables. I can do a check of receipts for the part numbers and cable lengths, but I probably won't get to the hangar until Wednesday - maybe tomorrow. I suspect you'll hear from other 7A builders today, but let me know off-line from the list if you'd like me to do that. Are you using Van's standard FAB airbox? If the TMX IO-360 is like the Superior (I suspect), do you know that you might have to create an inset in the FAB for the mixture arm to hang down into? This one I know -- it's a VA-131-Q Mixture Arm Recess -- and I have good pictures to show what this is all about. Give me a call directly if you'd like to discuss. Ed Pettiss RV-7A N12KE flying ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 10:19:39 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: October Page, Az. Fly-In From: "Roger Lee" Ok Guys and Gals, Here is the important info. You are all invited. The Flight Design group gets together each October for a fun few days. We will fly Monument Vally, Lake Powell, Marble Canyon, Grand canyon and Bryce Canyon. We take ground side trips during the day. We have other aircraft that come and we would like to invite the Allegro pilots. It is Oct. 16th Thursday and go home on Oct. 19th Sunday. We always have a great time. Everyone attending is fun to be with and gets along very well. We have a special rate at the same place we stayed last year. Tell them you are with the "CT Group" and the rate is $49 a night. We will arrive Thursday morning, Oct. 16th. and head home Oct. 19th. Sunday morning. Best Western Arizona Inn 716 Rim View Dr. Page, Az. 800-826-2718 928-645-2456 We will fly into the Page airport - KPGA. We are staying with the Classic FBO and with our group we should get a .30 cent discount on fuel. Classic is not the first FBO next to the runway, but the second one behind them. The Antelope Canyon tour is open if anyone wants. This is a land tour. I did some checking for those who are interested. We can take a Lake Powell lake tour by boat.. One is an evening dinner tour. It is 2.5 hours and serves Prime rib or Lasagna. It cost $87.67 per person. The other one is a boat tour that last 3 hours and goes through some famous canyons, the Navajo Tapestry tour. It cost $63.52. Orrrr we can rent 19" power boats our selves and take them out and explore the lake and fingers. The cost of the boat is $325 a day (8am-5pm). They hold eight people and this is only $40 a person. Any of the boat items they would like a 24 hour notice. These are only some ideas that I checked on. We don't have to do them and if only some want to do them that is ok. You guys are welcome to invite other planes that are not CT's and everyone is welcome. Find some more LSA's. _________________ Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maint. Rated Rotax Service Center (520) 574-1080 [/b] -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=194150#194150 ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 02:08:05 PM PST US Subject: RV-List: IO-360 with vertical sump From: James H Nelson Bret, I have AFP FI on my IO 360 and I made custom brackets. You can see them on my web site at www.websites.expercraft.com/jimn and if that is not enough, I can e=mail you the pix I took to mount the system. I used the material that AFP provided and cut pieces to make up the brackets and had them welded to mount the cables. I could have had a longer mixture cable and it would have been better. THe only fire wlall position that matched up was for the throttle. I made the bracket such that it was a straight shot to the throttle linkage. The mixture bracket was such that I had the cable come down from the top , just clearing the fuel pump and terminating with the lainkage working thru the vertical mode. That penetrated the fire wall thru the off set for the oil filter. I have a 90* adapter so the filter mounts in the "vertical mode. That freeded up that area. Again, if you want more pix I can send them to you. It all works out fine as I have 5 hours TT on the airframe, Just cleared to fly--- keep pounding as they are fine birds to take flight. Jim N15JN RV9-A ____________________________________________________________ Click to go wireless with your computer, ultra fast speed. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/Ioyw6i3nBfh6waxgErL6pKmmEtM69b28YvrMWxREGklL0jPlXqBacz/ ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:39:17 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RV-List: Andair Corrosion Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice little nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The pilot was complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy that started flying in 2003. It has about 500 hours. Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the bowl had a small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started. The outside looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole comes through. Check carefully! Dave Saylor AirCrafters LLC 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 831-722-9141 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:48:21 PM PST US From: FASTPILOTRV8 Subject: RV-List: RV-8 "Tall-man" Option... Matt The tall man option shifts the seat backwards by changing out the steel bar that the top of the seat rest on. You then should move the piano hinge on the floor that the seat back connects to aft about an inch or two. My knees still hit the panel when I get in. I do prefer being back away from the panel. Dane Sheahen N838RV RV8 Anyone going to OSH is welcome to stop in our campsite at Camp Schooler (just west of the "Theater In The Woods") for our nightly past time which is "Drink Dicks Beer" (Dick Martin a RV8 IO-390 Driver) In a message dated 07/21/08 08:35:42 Central Daylight Time, lm4@juno.com writes: Matt, I think it only means an option that was available at the begining. A different way to build the rudder pedals whereby you pull a lanyard between your legs, at the floor, and push or pull the spring loaded pedals to suit the length of your legs. HTH Larry Mac Donald lm4@juno.com Rochester N.Y. Do not archive On Sun, 20 Jul 2008 09:54:03 -0700 Matt Dralle writes: > > > Fellow Listers, > > What exactly does the RV-8 "Tall-man" option entail? > > I assume it pushes the > weldment back some allowing you to mount the pilot's seat further > aft. > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 ____________________________________________________________ Need cash? 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