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1. 04:41 AM - Re: IO-360 with vertical sump (Stucklen, Frederic W UTPWR)
2. 05:06 AM - MT Governor (Karl Ahamer)
3. 05:39 AM - Re: IO-360 with vertical sump (Bret Smith)
4. 08:28 AM - Re: MT Governor (lessdragprod@AOL.COM)
5. 09:41 AM - Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390 (Matt Dralle)
6. 10:46 AM - Welcome back (Greg Young)
7. 11:42 AM - Re: MT Governor (RV6 Flyer)
8. 12:09 PM - Re: MT Governor (John D. Heath)
9. 02:21 PM - Re: Andair Corrosion (jan)
10. 03:18 PM - Re: Andair Corrosion - Fuel tank corrosion (jan)
11. 03:39 PM - Re: Andair Corrosion (Dave Saylor)
12. 05:08 PM - Fellow Canadian builders, educate me please. Is EXPERIMENTAL required within cabin. (Terry Mortimore)
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| Subject: | Re: IO-360 with vertical sump |
I'm installing the Precision Silver hawk Fuel body, which is
essentially the same as the old Bendix unit, on a vertical sump TMX
IO-360. It would appear that Van's IO-320/360 Throttle/Mixture bracket
will work for this fuel body....
So now I only have to determine where the firewall penetrations will
go, and how long the cables need to be....
Fred Stucklen
RV-7A N924RV (Hope to be flying by 9/1/08....)
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Hi all,
I wonder if anyone else has experienced the following problem with the MT
Governor:
Engine RPM on take off will reach 2780 if power is not applied VERY slowly.
On engine run up the governor reacts much slower(somewhat delayed) than the
Woodward governor I used the have in my previous RV (same engine model and
prop)
In flight max rpm is 2670 at full throttle ,but throttling back in level
flight and reapplying power will also cause overspeeding for a brief moment.
With hot engine oil the problem on take off seems to almost go away (can
apply power more quickly)
Had latest modification done by MT,which improved things slightly.
The current set up is as follows:
RV7A
O-360-A1A 35hours
Hartzell prop 35 hours
MT governor
Running Shell 100 straight mineral oil for running engine in.
To me it looks like as if the governor can not change the oil pressure quick
enough to keep constant rpm.
Maybe it will be better when switching to multigrade engine oil eventually.
Any ideas what could cause this?
Regards
Karl Ahamer
7A VH-KAX near Sydney/Australia
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| Subject: | Re: IO-360 with vertical sump |
Thanks Jim,
I have used your site several times and it has been very helpful. Thanks
for doing such a great job with it.
Bret Smith
RV-9A "Canopy"
Blue Ridge, GA
www.FlightInnovations.com
----- Original Message -----
From: "James H Nelson" <rv9jim@juno.com>
Sent: Monday, July 21, 2008 5:00 PM
Subject: RV-List: IO-360 with vertical sump
>
> Bret,
> I have AFP FI on my IO 360 and I made custom brackets. You can
> see them on my web site at www.websites.expercraft.com/jimn and if that
> is not enough, I can e=mail you the pix I took to mount the system. I
> used the material that AFP provided and cut pieces to make up the
> brackets and had them welded to mount the cables. I could have had a
> longer mixture cable and it would have been better. THe only fire wlall
> position that matched up was for the throttle. I made the bracket such
> that it was a straight shot to the throttle linkage. The mixture bracket
> was such that I had the cable come down from the top , just clearing the
> fuel pump and terminating with the lainkage working thru the vertical
> mode. That penetrated the fire wall thru the off set for the oil filter.
> I have a 90* adapter so the filter mounts in the "vertical mode. That
> freeded up that area. Again, if you want more pix I can send them to
> you. It all works out fine as I have 5 hours TT on the airframe, Just
> cleared to fly--- keep pounding as they are fine birds to take flight.
>
>
> Jim
> N15JN
> RV9-A
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Hi All,
Some of these comments are general comments and do not apply to the stated problem.?
They do apply to situations that have already happened.
The CS propeller typically operates with about 150 psi oil pressure in the hub.
The MT Governor is tested at the factory and the inspection data is shipped with
the governor.? You should see that the governor is tested at 375 psi with?a
flow rate?8 quarts per minute.? That's a flow rate of 120 gallons per hour.
The governor requires an inlet pressure of 15 psi to function properly.
It would seem that there is a restriction in the oil flow path.
Places to check.
The governor can have an extrenal cover?AND two small plastic plugs in the base.?
Make certain they are all removed.
The propeller hub normaly has a plastic dust cover stuck in the back.? If this
is left in place, it will restrict the oil flow.? After the propeller has been
installed with plastic plug in place, it is difficult to see inside the hub bore.?
At least one propeller has been removed and inspected for the plug, only
to remove the propeller as second time to actually remove the plug.
(I don't have to make these mistakes myself.? I can let other people do it for
me.? This really saves me a great deal of time, in the long run.)
There could also be a flow restriction between the governor and the propeller.?
(A piece of rag?)? I don't know an easy way to inspect for?this.? Or?a restriction
in the oil hose when manufactured.? Shouldn't be an issue with a SST line.?
I don't remember what's required now.
Regards,
Jim Ayers
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Ahamer <kahamer@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Tue, 22 Jul 2008 4:58 am
Subject: RV-List: MT Governor
Hi all,
I wonder if anyone else has experienced the following problem with the MT Governor:
?
Engine RPM on take off will reach 2780 if power is not applied VERY slowly.
On engine run up the governor reacts much slower(somewhat delayed) than the Woodward
governor I used the have in my previous RV (same engine model and prop)
In flight max rpm is 2670 at full throttle ,but throttling back in level flight
and reapplying power will also cause overspeeding for a brief moment.
With hot engine oil the problem on take off seems to almost go away (can apply
power more quickly)
Had latest modification done by MT,which improved things slightly.
The current set up is as follows:
RV7A
O-360-A1A? 35hours
Hartzell prop 35 hours
MT governor
Running Shell 100 straight mineral oil for running engine in.
To me it looks like as if the governor can not change the oil pressure quick enough
to keep constant rpm.
Maybe it will be better when switching to multigrade engine oil eventually.
Any ideas what could cause this?
Regards
Karl Ahamer
7A? VH-KAX?? near Sydney/Australia
?
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| Subject: | Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390 |
Dear Listers,
What is the common opinion of Superior XP engines vs. the typical Lycoming engine?
In looking over the Superior web site, they have a new 220hp XP-400 engine designed
around the basic IO-360 Angle Valve chassis that looks pretty nice. At $30,000
new, its $3-4k cheaper than the Lycoming IO-390 solutions and, if you believe
the Superior mantra, a better designed engine in general.
What is the real-world quality and reliability of Superior-built engines?
Has anyone flown behind one of these new XP-400s?
Has anyone Dyno'd the XP-400 to prove the 220hp claim?
XP-400 Information: http://www.xp-360.com/index.asp?content=14
Avweb Article: http://www.avweb.com/news/motorhead/189629-1.html?type=pf
Thanks for your insight!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 # 82880
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Matt,
I've seen a lot of questions from you on the RV-8 and you've got a -8 S/N in
your signature. Did you give up your -4 and start on a -8? Inquiring minds
and all... At any event, welcome back to the active building world.
Regards,
Greg Young - Houston (DWH)
RV-6 N6GY - project Phoenix
Navion N5221K - just an XXL RV-6A
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
> Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 11:36 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390
>
>
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> What is the common opinion of Superior XP engines vs. the
> typical Lycoming engine?
>
> In looking over the Superior web site, they have a new 220hp
> XP-400 engine designed around the basic IO-360 Angle Valve
> chassis that looks pretty nice. At $30,000 new, its $3-4k
> cheaper than the Lycoming IO-390 solutions and, if you
> believe the Superior mantra, a better designed engine in general.
>
> What is the real-world quality and reliability of
> Superior-built engines?
>
> Has anyone flown behind one of these new XP-400s?
>
> Has anyone Dyno'd the XP-400 to prove the 220hp claim?
>
> XP-400 Information: http://www.xp-360.com/index.asp?content=14
>
> Avweb Article:
> http://www.avweb.com/news/motorhead/189629-1.html?type=pf
>
> Thanks for your insight!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 # 82880
>
>
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Recently a local RV'er constant speed prop would not cycle. He checked oil
pressure to the governor like Jim is suggesting IAW (In Accordance With) L
ycoming Service Instruction SI-1462A. http://www.lycoming.textron.com/supp
ort/publications/service-instructions/pdfs/SI1462A.pdf
When the Lycoming Propeller Oil Control Leak Test Procedure listed above fa
iled=2C the prop was pulled. The PLUG behind the prop in the crankshaft tha
t is REQUIRED for constant speed operation was not seated.
The RV'er above had his engine overhauled 600 hours earlier and the prop wo
rked. One day=2C it went to high RPM and would not cycle.
None of our local experts (myself included) thought of checking this. This
leak check was suggested by Barrett Precision Engines and they found the p
roblem troubleshooting long distance.
Gary A. Sobek
"My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C
2=2C129 + Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA
Subject: Re: RV-List: MT Governor
From: lessdragprod@aol.com
Hi All=2C
Some of these comments are general comments and do not apply to the stated
problem. They do apply to situations that have already happened.
The CS propeller typically operates with about 150 psi oil pressure in the
hub.
The MT Governor is tested at the factory and the inspection data is shipped
with the governor. You should see that the governor is tested at 375 psi
with a flow rate 8 quarts per minute. That's a flow rate of 120 gallons pe
r hour.
The governor requires an inlet pressure of 15 psi to function properly.
It would seem that there is a restriction in the oil flow path.
Places to check.
The governor can have an extrenal cover AND two small plastic plugs in the
base. Make certain they are all removed.
The propeller hub normaly has a plastic dust cover stuck in the back. If t
his is left in place=2C it will restrict the oil flow. After the propeller
has been installed with plastic plug in place=2C it is difficult to see in
side the hub bore. At least one propeller has been removed and inspected f
or the plug=2C only to remove the propeller as second time to actually remo
ve the plug.
(I don't have to make these mistakes myself. I can let other people do it
for me. This really saves me a great deal of time=2C in the long run.)
There could also be a flow restriction between the governor and the propell
er. (A piece of rag?) I don't know an easy way to inspect for this. Or a
restriction in the oil hose when manufactured. Shouldn't be an issue with
a SST line. I don't remember what's required now.
Regards=2C
Jim Ayers
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Ahamer <kahamer@bigpond.net.au>
Sent: Tue=2C 22 Jul 2008 4:58 am
Subject: RV-List: MT Governor
Hi all=2C
I wonder if anyone else has experienced the following problem with the MT G
overnor:
Engine RPM on take off will reach 2780 if power is not applied VERY slowly.
On engine run up the governor reacts much slower(somewhat delayed) than the
Woodward governor I used the have in my previous RV (same engine model and
prop)
In flight max rpm is 2670 at full throttle =2Cbut throttling back in level
flight and reapplying power will also cause overspeeding for a brief moment
.
With hot engine oil the problem on take off seems to almost go away (can ap
ply power more quickly)
Had latest modification done by MT=2Cwhich improved things slightly.
The current set up is as follows:
RV7A
O-360-A1A 35hours
Hartzell prop 35 hours
MT governor
Running Shell 100 straight mineral oil for running engine in.
To me it looks like as if the governor can not change the oil pressure quic
k enough to keep constant rpm.
Maybe it will be better when switching to multigrade engine oil eventually.
Any ideas what could cause this?
Regards
Karl Ahamer
7A VH-KAX near Sydney/Australia
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I'm not a builder but check out this web site
http://www.sacskyranch.com/eng41.htm
Hi all,
I wonder if anyone else has experienced the following problem with the
MT Governor:
Engine RPM on take off will reach 2780 if power is not applied VERY
slowly.
On engine run up the governor reacts much slower(somewhat delayed)
than the Woodward governor I used the have in my previous RV (same
engine model and prop)
In flight max rpm is 2670 at full throttle ,but throttling back in
level flight and reapplying power will also cause overspeeding for a
brief moment.
With hot engine oil the problem on take off seems to almost go away
(can apply power more quickly)
Had latest modification done by MT,which improved things slightly.
The current set up is as follows:
RV7A
O-360-A1A 35hours
Hartzell prop 35 hours
MT governor
Running Shell 100 straight mineral oil for running engine in.
To me it looks like as if the governor can not change the oil pressure
quick enough to keep constant rpm.
Maybe it will be better when switching to multigrade engine oil
eventually.
Any ideas what could cause this?
Regards
Karl Ahamer
7A VH-KAX near Sydney/Australia
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| Subject: | Andair Corrosion |
Hi,
That looks bad .. Have you been in contact with Andair about it ...??
Jan
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: 21 July 2008 22:34
Subject: RV-List: Andair Corrosion
Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice little
nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The pilot was
complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy that started flying in
2003. It has about 500 hours.
Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the bowl had a
small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started. The outside
looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole comes through.
Check carefully!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Andair Corrosion - Fuel tank corrosion |
Makes me think ...Have anyone experience corrosion in the fuel tank on a RV
.... Assuming they have not used Alodine before assembling it with "Pro
Seal" ... Maybe not an issue in hot and dry climates ... but in humid
climates... ??
Jan
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jan
Sent: 22 July 2008 22:17
Subject: RE: RV-List: Andair Corrosion
Hi,
That looks bad .. Have you been in contact with Andair about it ...??
Jan
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: 21 July 2008 22:34
Subject: RV-List: Andair Corrosion
Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice little
nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The pilot was
complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy that started flying in
2003. It has about 500 hours.
Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the bowl had a
small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started. The outside
looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole comes through.
Check carefully!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
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experience corrosion in the fuel tank on a RV …. Assuming they
have not
used Alodine before assembling it with “Pro Seal” …
Maybe not
an issue in hot and dry climates … but in humid climates…
??<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] <b><span
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<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 22 July 2008
22:17<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> <st1:PersonName
w:st="on">rv-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName>;
'Lancair Mailing List'; rv10-list@matronics.com<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: RV-List:
Andair
Corrosion</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span
style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>That looks bad .. Have you been in
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with Andair about it …??<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] <b><span
style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Dave Saylor<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> 21 July 2008
22:34<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> 'Lancair Mailing
List'; rv10-list@matronics.com;
<st1:PersonName w:st="on">rv-list@matronics.com</st1:PersonName><br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RV-List: Andair
Corrosion</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice
little
nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The
pilot was
complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy
that started flying
in 2003. It has about 500 hours.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
12.0pt'>Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the
bowl
had a small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started.
The
outside looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole
comes
through.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span
style='font-size:
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span
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font-family:Arial'>AirCrafters LLC</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><st1:Street w:st="on"><st1:address
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face=Arial><span style='font-size:12.0pt;font-family:Arial'>140
Aviation Way</span></font></st1:address></st1:Street><o:p></o:p></p>
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st1:City><font
face=Arial><span style='font-family:Arial'>, <st1:State
w:st="on">CA</st1:State></span></font></st1:place><font
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</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>831-750-0284 CL</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Arial><span
style='font-size:12.0pt;
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| Subject: | Andair Corrosion |
I emailed yesterday, but my experience is that I'll have better luck at
their booth next week.
Dave
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of jan
Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 2:17 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Andair Corrosion
Hi,
That looks bad .. Have you been in contact with Andair about it .??
Jan
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor
Sent: 21 July 2008 22:34
Subject: RV-List: Andair Corrosion
Here's a picture of an Andair GAS500 fuel bowl showing the nice little
nozzle created by corrosion all the way through the bowl. The pilot was
complaining of fuel smell. The plane is a Legacy that started flying in
2003. It has about 500 hours.
Before the corrosion got all the way through, the inside of the bowl had a
small, shiny, unanodized patch where the corrosion started. The outside
looks perfect except for a small black speck where the hole comes through.
Check carefully!
Dave Saylor
AirCrafters LLC
140 Aviation Way
Watsonville, CA
831-722-9141
831-750-0284 CL
www.AirCraftersLLC.com
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| Subject: | Fellow Canadian builders, educate me please. Is EXPERIMENTAL |
required within cabin.
Hi Gang:
I just ordered my interior from Classic Aero Designs and I assumed that I
would have the word EXPERIMENTAL embroidered across the upper baggage
compartment panel. While talking with Anna she questioned wether a Canadian
plane requires this.
Looking through my RAA amateur built Aircraft builders manual the only
referance I see to placarding is 549.15 which states that a placard with
letters at least 3/8" high stating "Notice: This aircraft is operating with
a special certificate of airworthiness for amateur-built aircraft" must be
in plane view of the passenger.
Can anyone confirm that this is all that is required? If so I think I will
cancell my order for the embroidering.
Thanks,
Terry.
Fuselage kit finished, just ordered finishing kit.
Terry Mortimore
426 McNabb Street Apt#4
Sault Ste Marie, Ontario
P6B 1Z3
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