---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 07/25/08: 5 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:11 AM - Oshkosh 08 (Bob-tcw) 2. 05:02 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/24/08 (John Michael Coers) 3. 05:48 AM - A Tough Decision (Steve Glasgow) 4. 11:26 AM - Icom A200 (Bill Boyd) 5. 12:01 PM - Re: Icom A200 (Carlos Hernandez) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:11:37 AM PST US From: "Bob-tcw" Subject: RV-List: Oshkosh 08 Fellow RV builders, We head out today to Oshkosh today and look forward to meeting you all. We'll be camping with the RV-10 group this year and we'll be exhibiting in the East Hall, Booth 5016. Please stop by and see our new products. We will be introducing two new products to the TCW Technologies offerings. Come try out the working demos of "Intelligent Power Stabilizer" and "Intelligent Lighting Controller". A preview of these new products is now up on our web site. www.tcwtech.com We also have our working demo of Safety-Trim and Intelligent Flap Controller for your review. Best regards, Bob Newman TCW Technologies, LLC. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:02:30 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/24/08 From: "John Michael Coers" Sent via BlackBerry by AT&T (Hughes.net) -----Original Message----- From: RV-List Digest Server Subject: RV-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 07/24/08 * ================================================= Online Versions of Today's List Digest Archive ================================================= Today's complete RV-List Digest can also be found in either of the two Web Links listed below. 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HTML Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=html&Chapter 08-07-24&Archive=RV Text Version: http://www.matronics.com/digest/digestview.php?Style=82701&View=txt&Chapter 08-07-24&Archive=RV =============================================== EMail Version of Today's List Digest Archive =============================================== ---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 07/24/08: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:09 AM - Re: Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390 (Gordon or Marge) 2. 07:48 AM - Re: Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390 (Skylor Piper) 3. 08:25 AM - Re: Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390 (Patrick Kelley) 4. 08:44 PM - Rivet Spacing for Elevator Skin Stiffeners (Garey Wittich) 5. 09:27 PM - Re: Rivet Spacing for Elevator Skin Stiffeners (Jason Hills) 6. 09:58 PM - Re: Rivet Spacing for Elevator Skin Stiffeners (Ed Holyoke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:54 AM PST US From: "Gordon or Marge" Subject: RE: RV-List: Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390 -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle Sent: Tuesday, July 22, 2008 12:36 PM Subject: RV-List: Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390 Dear Listers, What is the common opinion of Superior XP engines vs. the typical Lycoming engine? In looking over the Superior web site, they have a new 220hp XP-400 engine designed around the basic IO-360 Angle Valve chassis that looks pretty nice. At $30,000 new, its $3-4k cheaper than the Lycoming IO-390 solutions and, if you believe the Superior mantra, a better designed engine in general. Matt: A 2.6% increase in displacement yields a 4.8% increase in power? Is Lycoming stupid? Maybe. Is Superior still in development? Probably. Will they actually deliver 220? Who knows? A cynic might suspect a bit of brochursmanship here. Gordon Comfort N363GC ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 07:48:38 AM PST US From: Skylor Piper Subject: RE: RV-List: Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390 I'm having trouble following this math: "A 2.6% increase in displacement yields a 4.8% increase in power?" An increase in displacement from 360 to 390 is an 8.3% increase, while an increase in power from 200 to 210 is a 5% increase...reasonable in the Lycoming case if it's true that the IO-360 angle valve doesn't produce a full 200 horsepower to begin with. An increase in displacement from 360 to 400 (Superior) is an 11.1% increase, and an increase in power from 200 to 220 is exactly a 10% increase. Skylor RV-8 Underconstruction IO-360, 200HP --- On Thu, 7/24/08, Gordon or Marge wrote: From: Gordon or Marge Subject: RE: RV-List: Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390 Matt: A 2.6% increase in displacement yields a 4.8% increase in power? Is Lycoming stupid? Maybe. Is Superior still in development? Probably. Will they actually deliver 220? Who knows? A cynic might suspect a bit of brochursmanship here. Gordon Comfort N363GC ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 08:25:20 AM PST US From: "Patrick Kelley" Subject: RE: RV-List: Superior vs. Lycoming; XP-400 vs. IO-390 Gordon's cynicism is entirely understandable, but I'd bet on Superior to deliver at least 220. I agree that they're probably still in development; they don't stand still just because they've put a product on the table. I pondered an XP engine for a long time and watched the product evolve. What finally got me off the fence was my wife paying for the Build School. I thought I had read up a lot on the engine and various manufacturer but in three days I learned a ton. As it happened, the other student (they run two at a time) had to cancel, so they used the other station to build one of the Vantage engines. During the build, I got to compare: flat tappet vs. roller, carb vs. injection, and so on. And I also got shown some of those improvements over the stock Lycoming, like oiling the thrust bearing face or the sump improvements (in hot rods, you'd call that porting and polishing). I also got to see their specifications - the checklist of tolerances that they use when building. I'd guess that Lycoming uses similar but they are way tighter than the acceptable tolerances in the Lycoming manuals. And after my build (which was inspected by their QA staff as I watched) they ran the thing on a test stand before shipping it to me. So that's the product; obviously I have a good opinion of it. Now, let me tell you about the people. I was treated like a VIP there, which you'd expect. Everyone, from the CEO down knew who I was and took time to say hi or answer questions. Then I left and got my engine, so you might think that I'd be forgotten. Not at all. They've answered every question I could ask about my installation, quickly and helpfully. And I recently stupidly lost an intake manifold bolt, so I emailed them to order a replacement. Two days later, I had the replacement plus washer and star washer at no charge. Sure a minor thing, but I've known other businesses that would charge for the part and add a handling charge. I like this company. In fact, I asked if they might do an XPIO-540; I'm considering an RV-10 for a future project. They don't have one in the works, but they wouldn't rule it out. If I do and they do, I'll be buying one, you betcha. Patrick Kelley - RV-6A - Cowling and final engine hookups; flying in Sept? -----Original Message----- Matt: A 2.6% increase in displacement yields a 4.8% increase in power? Is Lycoming stupid? Maybe. Is Superior still in development? Probably. Will they actually deliver 220? Who knows? A cynic might suspect a bit of brochursmanship here. Gordon Comfort N363GC -----Original Message----- Dear Listers, What is the common opinion of Superior XP engines vs. the typical Lycoming engine? In looking over the Superior web site, they have a new 220hp XP-400 engine designed around the basic IO-360 Angle Valve chassis that looks pretty nice. At $30,000 new, its $3-4k cheaper than the Lycoming IO-390 solutions and, if you believe the Superior mantra, a better designed engine in general. ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:44:43 PM PST US From: Garey Wittich Subject: RV-List: Rivet Spacing for Elevator Skin Stiffeners Greetings: I have "older" drawings for the RV-8 Elevators. They show NO required rivet spacing (the number of rivets to be used) for each Elevator Skin Stiffener. Understand the newer Stiffeners come with pilot holes already prepunched in them from Vans. Can someone give me the "number" of rivets used for EACH Stiffener: E-720G E-720A E-720F E-720H E-720B E-720J E-720C E-720K E-720D E-720L E-720E (Using a rivet spacing fan, I can then make the rivet spacing equal for each Stiffener.) Thanks for your help, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:27:43 PM PST US From: Jason Hills Subject: Re: RV-List: Rivet Spacing for Elevator Skin Stiffeners A: 10 B: 9 C: 9 D: 8 E: 8 F: 7 G: 7 H: 6 J: 8 K: 8 L: 7 Off my drawing DWG 4 & DWG 5 for RV-8 kit purchased Sept 2006. Hope that helps! ....Jason On Jul 24, 2008, at 8:41 PM, Garey Wittich wrote: Greetings: I have "older" drawings for the RV-8 Elevators. They show NO required rivet spacing (the number of rivets to be used) for each Elevator Skin Stiffener. Understand the newer Stiffeners come with pilot holes already prepunched in them from Vans. Can someone give me the "number" of rivets used for EACH Stiffener: E-720G E-720A E-720F E-720H E-720B E-720J E-720C E-720K E-720D E-720L E-720E (Using a rivet spacing fan, I can then make the rivet spacing equal for each Stiffener.) Thanks for your help, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:58:57 PM PST US From: Ed Holyoke Subject: Re: RV-List: Rivet Spacing for Elevator Skin Stiffeners Garey, I'd guess that the drawing does show rivet spacing, i.e.: 1 1/4" or 1 1/2" typ. Layout the rivets on each end and use a rivet fan set near the "typ (ical)" space and when in doubt, err to the side of shorter spacing. If a spacing is not called on the drawing, measure the rivet X marks on the drawing and account for the scale. Again, err to the shorter spacing if it isn't clear. Pax, Ed Holyoke Garey Wittich wrote: > > Greetings: > > I have "older" drawings for the RV-8 Elevators. They show NO required rivet spacing (the number of rivets to be used) for each Elevator Skin Stiffener. Understand the newer Stiffeners come with pilot holes already prepunched in them from Vans. > > Can someone give me the "number" of rivets used for EACH Stiffener: > > E-720G E-720A E-720F > > E-720H E-720B > > E-720J E-720C > > E-720K E-720D > > E-720L E-720E > > (Using a rivet spacing fan, I can then make the rivet spacing equal for each Stiffener.) > > Thanks for your help, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:48:38 AM PST US From: "Steve Glasgow" Subject: RV-List: A Tough Decision After three years building and five years flying my RV-8, I have decided to move into Light Sport aviation. I will always cherish the memories of RVs and all they have to offer. After spending months researching Builder Liability Issues, I have decided to donate Cappys Toy to an Aviation Museum. The museum has offered to create an Experimental Aircraft Section featuring Cappys Toy. It is heartwarming to know Cappys Toy will forevermore be representing Experimental Aviation, and that I have found a good home for her. The museum has agreed to accept Cappys Toy without the engine, engine accessories, NAV/COM GNC 300XL, transponder GTX 327, autopilot Trio Avionics EZ Pilot and 5 point airline type seat belts. The expected delivery date is September 15, 2008. In addition to a tax deduction, the sale of these items will enable me to re-coup some of the losses incurred from not selling the airplane outright. If you are interested in a proven complete functioning power plant package with less than 450 hours for your project, or any of the other items, please give me a call. Engine and Engine Accessories Superior XP 360: 0-360 A1A2, 180 HP Main Alternator: B&C Specialty Products, L-40 with LR3C voltage regulator Standby Alternator: B&C Specialty Products, SD-8 with SB1B-14 voltage regulator, mounted in the Suction Pump engine case pad Starter: B&C Specialty Products, BC315, Light Weight Top Ignition: Light Speed Plasma II, with built in Crank Sender Bottom Ignition: Slick 4000 Magneto with Impulse Coupler, mounted in the Left Magneto engine case pad Carburetor: Precision Airmotive MA4-5 Oil Filter Adapter: B&C BC7000 Oil Cooler: Stewart Warner Exhaust: Viterman Package Cost New $29,500. Price $19,000 Steve Glasgow-Cappy N123SG RV-8 Cappy's Toy 3931 Melchor Avenue Charlotte, NC willfly@carolina.rr.com 704-362-0005 Home 704-281-7884 Cell ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:26:45 AM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: RV-List: Icom A200 Fellow aviators: A few weeks back I loaded a heavy, folding shade tent into the pax seat of my RV-6A to take to a neighbor's fly-in event, in the process bumping the tuning knob of my Icom A200 radio and bending its shaft. The radio has since stopped responding to turning the outer ring (MHz) selector, and needs repair. I'm not afraid to try this repair myself if I can get my hands on a replacement concentric optical shaft encoder that is a proper fit, nor opposed to sending the radio off for repair by an avionics shop is I can find a reasonable quote. Menawhile, looking for a loaner radio while I get the repairs done, or a good deal on a replacement A200 if I decide to swap first / repair later. Any help out there? Thanks, Bill B/ Stormy RV-6A ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:01:51 PM PST US From: Carlos Hernandez Subject: Re: RV-List: Icom A200 Bill, Sorry to say, but other than IcomAmerica in Washington, there are no parts available or a repair station you can send it to for repair. They won't even send you parts. You have to send it back to them. I've sent mine in for repair before and I've been advised to take special precaution with the tuning knobs when shipping as they are some of the most expensive parts to replace. I'm guessing your quote maybe be up there along the lines of a new radio. Of course check with them first. Sorry for the misfortune. Carlos in AZ Bill Boyd wrote: > Fellow aviators: > > A few weeks back I loaded a heavy, folding shade tent into the pax > seat of my RV-6A to take to a neighbor's fly-in event, in the process > bumping the tuning knob of my Icom A200 radio and bending its shaft. > The radio has since stopped responding to turning the outer ring (MHz) > selector, and needs repair. > > I'm not afraid to try this repair myself if I can get my hands on a > replacement concentric optical shaft encoder that is a proper fit, nor > opposed to sending the radio off for repair by an avionics shop is I > can find a reasonable quote. Menawhile, looking for a loaner radio > while I get the repairs done, or a good deal on a replacement A200 if > I decide to swap first / repair later. > > Any help out there? > > Thanks, > > Bill B/ Stormy > RV-6A > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Checked by AVG. > -- Carlos Hernandez Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. 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