---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 07/29/08: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:09 AM - Re: RV-8 on Grove Gear (Kevin Horton) 2. 06:19 AM - Re: Battery --- Re: Kenwood DNX8120 Entertainment System (was: Welcome back) (Dan) 3. 11:48 AM - Re: Battery --- Re: Kenwood DNX8120 Entertainment System (was: Welcome back) (Matt Dralle) 4. 04:56 PM - RV-9A kit for sale (stewart) 5. 05:54 PM - Re: Battery --- Re: Kenwood DNX8120 Entertainment System (was: Welcome back) (Kelly McMullen) 6. 07:50 PM - Re: RV-9A kit for sale (Brian Meyette) 7. 08:23 PM - Re: RV-9A kit for sale (Carl Bell) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:09:52 AM PST US From: "Kevin Horton" Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 on Grove Gear On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 10:57 AM, Christopher Stone wrote: > > As an occasional poster but daily reader... And having searched the > archives... > > I am hoping someone on this list has built a RV-8 and installed the Grove > airfoiled gear legs. > > I am in the midst of installing the Grove legs and have found that the > Grove legs are thicker (dhoo! that's right they are aluminum and thus would > need to be 30% thicker to be as stiff as the steel). > > Because of the increased thickness the clamp blocks will protrude beyond > the fuse skin. My first thought was to eliminate the wear blocks between > the gear legs and fusalage to reduce the installed height of the gear legs. > I don't think ommiting the wear plates is a good idea. > > Thus my question, what have other done? Does the gear leg inersection > fairing cover up the protruding gear leg attach block? > The upper gear leg intersection fairing is a builder fabricated part. So, you can make it whatever shape it needs to be to cover the clamp blocks and bolt heads. Leave the wear plates in place. You don't want the gear wearing at the longeron. Kevin Horton ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:26 AM PST US From: Dan Subject: Re: RV-List: Battery --- Re: Kenwood DNX8120 Entertainment System (was: Welcome back) Matt, Where did you install your battery? I am still trying to decide where to install mine. Dan -8 AWO --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Matt Dralle wrote: From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Re: Kenwood DNX8120 Entertainment System (was: Welcome back) At 10:50 AM 7/23/2008 Wednesday, you wrote: > >Hi Matt, > >Welcome back to this crazy and rewarding thing that we do! ;) What make/model is the entertainment system? What influenced your decision? I went with the Kenwood DNX8120 for a number of reasons. Certainly the "coolness" factor had a little to do with it, and, well, I'm trying to see just how many LCD flatpanels I can wedge into an RV-8 instrument panel... :-) Seriously, though, the DNX8120 has a lot of features that come in a nicely integrated solution. The 7" LCD is very clear and bright. It has both an iPod control interface and a USB hard drive/thumb drive interface. More on those later. It has a Garmin-based full moving map with POI database, which is probably not exactly useful in an airplane, but here's a situation: Let's say you're flying along on a cross country to somewhere far away and suddenly you've got a huge hanker'n for an A&W Papa Burger and a frosty mug of Root Beer. Your next way point could then easily include a local city with just such an establishment. Doesn't A&W have car hops? Maybe they'll rollerskate out to the RV-8... Okay, its a stretch, but I had to justify the coolness somehow... It has a "touch-screen" where all but a couple of things can be viewed, configured, and changed. The upside of the touch screen is ease of use and "coolness", but the downside are the finger prints and ultimate wear on the screen. The screen is "fingerprint resistant", but sweaty fingers still leave prints. There are some "hard-buttons" for Volume control and switching sources. It also has a "rear-view" camera for "check-six" (very tiny and clear). Kind of like a rearview mirror actually. Very cool. Audio quality of the DVD player, MP3, XM, and HD radio are all extremely clear. I've got a PM3000 stereo intercom and new Bose NR headsets and the audio is stellar to say the least. Kenwood also makes a matching 7" "headrest" rest flat panel (Kenwood LZ-702IR ) that I will be mounting to the back of the pilot's set so the passenger can enjoy some "in-flight" entertainment. The iPod direct control interface works really well and will stream both music and videos off your iPod. The downside is that it appears to use the line-level audio output from the iPod, so the quality suffers a little. Does anyone know if you can stream digital audio from the iPod? The USB harddisk/thumbdrive interface (can be connected at the same time as the iPod interface), works very well and the audio quality is superb since the D/A conversion is done in the Kenwood. The downside is the severely limited number of MP3 file the Kenwood seems to be able to handle. It appears to be a little over 3000 tracks. I have a 160GB 2.5" USB hard drive with about 100GB of MP3's and I was hoping to be able to access all 18,000 tracks, but it won't seem to read them all. Maybe on the next firmware update. There is no track limitation on the iPod interface and the Kenwood lists all 80GB of MP3's I have on the iPod. There is full bluetooth integration as well. It sync's up with my Blackberry 8820 great and I can dial and place calls right from the Kenwood with phone audio coming through the Bose headsets. Voice pickup is through a dedicated microphone plugged into the Kenwood; I'm not sure how well that will work in the noise airplane environment, however. The Garmin-based GPS Navigation works great! The maps are very detailed and updates are quick. There are a TON of POI's and all include address and phone number. It will be interesting to bring up the ground speed on the Kenwood and compare to the GRT to A-B test the response time. Probably aren't too many car installations where the cruse speed will exceed 200mph! So, to summarize, the Kenwood DNX8120 is an very nice, high-quality, highly integrated entertainment system that makes a nice installation in the panel. Perhaps the only downside to it is the weight. The HU itself is pretty heavy and all of the external "boxes" (XM, HD Radio, etc) add up too. Here are a couple of links to the main unit and the remote screen: http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/eXcelon/Mobile_Video_n_Navigation/DNX8120 http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/CarPortal%E2%84%A2/LZ-702IR Best regards, Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 11:48:17 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: Battery --- Re: Kenwood DNX8120 Entertainment System (was: Welcome back) Well, with an IO-390 and a Hartzell, its definitely going to have to go waaay in the back. I've ordered the Grove gear to save a few pounds forward of CG. Its just a bummer having to run the cables that far back there. I'm also wondering if mounting the Redbox CU for the Vertical Power in the back next to the battery might be a good place. Still, then all the wires would have to go up forward to the panel, which isn't that attractive of an idea. In any case, I can't imagine being sorry about mounting the battery in the back, especially if you have a big motor and CS. Matt At 06:15 AM 7/29/2008 Tuesday, you wrote: >Matt, > >Where did you install your battery? > >I am still trying to decide where to install mine. > >Dan > >-8 > >AWO > >--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Matt Dralle wrote: >From: Matt Dralle >Subject: RV-List: Re: Kenwood DNX8120 Entertainment System (was: Welcome back) >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:51 AM > > >At 10:50 AM 7/23/2008 Wednesday, you wrote: > > > > >> > >>Hi Matt, > >> > >>Welcome back to this crazy and rewarding thing that we do! ;) What > >make/model is the entertainment system? What influenced your decision? > > >I went with the Kenwood DNX8120 for a number of reasons. Certainly the > >"coolness" factor had a little to do with it, and, well, I'm > >trying to see just how many LCD flatpanels I can wedge into an RV-8 instrument > >panel... :-) > > >Seriously, though, the DNX8120 has a lot of features that come in a nicely > >integrated solution. The 7" LCD is very clear and bright. It has both an > >iPod control interface and a USB hard drive/thumb drive interface. More on > >those later. It has a Garmin-based full moving map with POI database, which is > >probably not exactly useful in an airplane, but here's a situation: > >Let's say you're flying along on a cross country to somewhere far away > >and suddenly you've got a huge hanker'n for an A&W Papa Burger and > >a frosty mug of Root Beer. Your next way point could then easily include a > >local city with just such an establishment. Doesn't A&W have car hops? > > Maybe they'll rollerskate out to the RV-8... Okay, its a stretch, but I > >had to justify the coolness somehow... > > >It has a "touch-screen" where all but a couple of things can be > >viewed, configured, and changed. The upside of the touch screen is ease of use > >and "coolness", but the downside are the finger prints and ultimate > >wear on the screen. The screen is "fingerprint resistant", but > >sweaty fingers still leave prints. There are some "hard-buttons" for > >Volume control and switching sources. > > >It also has a "rear-view" camera for "check-six" (very tiny > >and clear). Kind of like a rearview mirror actually. Very cool. > > >Audio quality of the DVD player, MP3, XM, and HD radio are all extremely clear. > > I've got a PM3000 stereo intercom and new Bose NR headsets and the audio is > >stellar to say the least. > > >Kenwood also makes a matching 7" "headrest" rest flat panel > >(Kenwood LZ-702IR > >) that I will be mounting to the back of the pilot's set so the passenger > >can enjoy some "in-flight" entertainment. > > >The iPod direct control interface works really well and will stream both music > >and videos off your iPod. The downside is that it appears to use the > >line-level audio output from the iPod, so the quality suffers a little. Does > >anyone know if you can stream digital audio from the iPod? > > >The USB harddisk/thumbdrive interface (can be connected at the same time as the > >iPod interface), works very well and the audio quality is superb since the D/A > >conversion is done in the Kenwood. The downside is the severely limited number > >of MP3 file the Kenwood seems to be able to handle. It appears to be a little > >over 3000 tracks. I have a 160GB 2.5" USB hard drive with about 100GB of > >MP3's and I was hoping to be able to access all 18,000 tracks, but it > >won't seem to read them all. Maybe on the next firmware update. There is > >no track limitation on the iPod interface and the Kenwood lists all 80GB of > >MP3's I have on the iPod. > > >There is full bluetooth integration as well. It sync's up with my > >Blackberry 8820 great and I can dial and place calls right from the Kenwood > >with phone audio coming through the Bose headsets. Voice pickup is through a > >dedicated microphone plugged into the Kenwood; I'm not sure how well that > >will work in the noise airplane environment, however. > > >The Garmin-based GPS Navigation works great! The maps are very detailed and > >updates are quick. There are a TON of POI's and all include address and > >phone number. It will be interesting to bring up the ground speed on the > >Kenwood and compare to the GRT to A-B test the response time. Probably > >aren't too many car installations where the cruse speed will exceed 200mph! > > >So, to summarize, the Kenwood DNX8120 is an very nice, high-quality, highly > >integrated entertainment system that makes a nice installation in the panel. > >Perhaps the only downside to it is the weight. The HU itself is pretty heavy > >and all of the external "boxes" (XM, HD Radio, etc) add up too. > > >Here are a couple of links to the main unit and the remote screen: > > > > >http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/eXcelon/Mobile_Video_n_Navigation/DNX8120 > > > http://www.kenwoodusa.com/Car_Entertainment/CarPortal%E2%84%A2/LZ-702IR > > >Best regards, > > >Matt Dralle > >RV-8 #82880 > > Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 04:56:34 PM PST US From: "stewart" Subject: RV-List: RV-9A kit for sale Bought an RV-6, can't afford to keep building RV-9A too. Tail 80% done, wings 60%, Van's quickbuild fuselage nearly as purchased, Lyc. 0-320 engine used, and aircraft tools. Asking $20,000 for all but will consider splitting off engine/tools. Call at (509) 965-1209 or email stucopeland@charter.net. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 05:54:33 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: Battery --- Re: Kenwood DNX8120 Entertainment System (was: Welcome back) The IO-390 should be within a pound or two of the IO-360. One could go with either an MT prop or Hartzell carbon fiber prop to reduce weight on the front end by about 15 lbs. Matt Dralle wrote: > > Well, with an IO-390 and a Hartzell, its definitely going to have to go waaay in the back. I've ordered the Grove gear to save a few pounds forward of CG. Its just a bummer having to run the cables that far back there. I'm also wondering if mounting the Redbox CU for the Vertical Power in the back next to the battery might be a good place. Still, then all the wires would have to go up forward to the panel, which isn't that attractive of an idea. In any case, I can't imagine being sorry about mounting the battery in the back, especially if you have a big motor and CS. > > Matt > > > At 06:15 AM 7/29/2008 Tuesday, you wrote: > > >> ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:50:33 PM PST US From: "Brian Meyette" Subject: RE: RV-List: RV-9A kit for sale wow - seems like quite a flurry of planes & kits for sale lately _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of stewart Sent: Tuesday, July 29, 2008 7:52 PM Subject: RV-List: RV-9A kit for sale Bought an RV-6, can't afford to keep building RV-9A too. Tail 80% done, wings 60%, Van's quickbuild fuselage nearly as purchased, Lyc. 0-320 engine used, and aircraft tools. Asking $20,000 for all but will consider splitting off engine/tools. Call at (509) 965-1209 or email stucopeland@charter.net. 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