RV-List Digest Archive

Fri 08/08/08


Total Messages Posted: 22



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 05:17 AM - Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips... (Ralph E. Capen)
     2. 06:21 AM - RV insurance (ROBERTS, DENIS)
     3. 06:38 AM - Re: RV insurance (Richard Dudley)
     4. 06:38 AM - Re: RV insurance (Dana Overall)
     5. 06:52 AM - Re: RV insurance (Carl Froehlich)
     6. 07:23 AM - Re: RV insurance (Sam Buchanan)
     7. 07:59 AM - Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips... (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
     8. 08:22 AM - Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips... (Sam Buchanan)
     9. 08:25 AM - Re: Another Fuel Question (Charles Kuss)
    10. 08:47 AM - Re: RV insurance (John Fasching)
    11. 10:38 AM - Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips... (Jerry Springer)
    12. 11:38 AM - Re: RV insurance (cbrxxdrv@AOL.COM)
    13. 12:05 PM - Alternator part number? (eddyfernan@aol.com)
    14. 12:06 PM - Re: RV insurance (Dale Ensing)
    15. 02:27 PM - Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips... (linn Walters)
    16. 03:54 PM - EAA 486 Northeast Builders' and RV Forum (Jim Hurd)
    17. 04:03 PM - Re: Alternator part number? (FASTPILOTRV8@aol.com)
    18. 07:12 PM - Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (Roger Lee)
    19. 07:59 PM - Re: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (Bill Boyd)
    20. 08:26 PM - Re: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (Jerry Springer)
    21. 08:36 PM - Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (Roger Lee)
    22. 10:31 PM - Re: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! (Ralph Finch)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:17:09 AM PST US
    From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
    Nice work..... Close the back of the tips.....it'll look better, you'll be happier in the long run and you won't need to pull a bird nest out of it...... Besides, you already have to do two..... -----Original Message----- >From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com> >Sent: Aug 7, 2008 11:01 PM >To: rv-list@matronics.com >Subject: RV-List: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips... > > >Dear Listers, > >Here are some pictures of my recently finished Fin and Rudder >fiberglass tips, specifically highlighting my notion of mounting the >VOR/GS/LOC antenna on the top of the Fin. It came out very nice I >think and gives full access to cabling and antenna mount for maintenance. > >But here's my question. Look at that last picture of the back end of >the Fin fiberglass tip and note the gaping hole. I gather from the >plans that it is kind of up to the builder whether to put a cover on >the back of it. My first question would have to be why the f*** >isn't there one already molded on it like on the front of the rudder >tip? But, hostility aside, what's everyone's thoughts on finishing >these? I'm just thinking that my patience for fiberglass layups >hovers around zero and I can just see taking a totally sweet tip >installation and mucking it royally. But, I will if I must. I would >really like the back end finished off rather than gaping open like >that, but it might be something I could live with... > >Thoughts? > >Matt Dralle >RV-8 #82880


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    Time: 06:21:02 AM PST US
    Subject: RV insurance
    From: "ROBERTS, DENIS" <denis.roberts@wachoviasec.com>
    A ny company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Omaha, NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts@agedwards.com ATTENTION: Please be aware that the confidentiality of Internet e-mail cannot be guaranteed. Instructions having financial consequences such as trade orders, funds transfer, etc., should not be included in your e-mail communications to us as we cannot act on such instructions received by e-mail. If you are a current Wachovia Securities client and wish to unsubscrib e from marketing e-mails from your Wachovia Securities financial advisor , reply to one of his/her e-mails and type "Unsubscribe" in the subject line. This action will not affect delivery of important service messages regarding your accounts that we may need to send you or preferences you may have previously set for other e-mail services. If you are not a client, please go to: https://www.wachovia.com/email/unsubscribe For additional information regarding our electronic communication policies please go to: http://www.wachoviasec.com/gotoemaildisclosure Investments in securities and insurance products are: NOT FDIC-INSURED/NOT BANK-GUARANTEED/MAY LOSE VALUE Wachovia Securities is the trade name used by two separate, registered broker-dealers and nonbank affiliates of Wachovia Corporation providin g certain retail securities brokerage services: Wachovia Securities, LLC , Member NYSE/SIPC, and Wachovia Securities Financial Network, LLC, Member FINRA/SIPC. Wachovia Securities, 1 North Jefferson, St. Louis, MO 63103


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    Time: 06:38:17 AM PST US
    From: "Richard Dudley" <rhdudley1@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: RV insurance
    RV insuranceTry the EAA sponsored company, Falcon. They quoted 1/2 the premium that AVEMCO quoted. The AOPA sponsored company was similar to Falcon two years ago. Rich Dudley 6A for sale ----- Original Message ----- From: ROBERTS, DENIS To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: RV-List: RV insurance Any company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Omaha, NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts@agedwards.com ATTENTION: Please be aware that the confidentiality of Internet e-mail cannot be guaranteed. Instructions having financial consequences such as trade orders, funds transfer, etc., should not be included in your e-mail communications to us as we cannot act on such instructions received by e-mail. If you are a current Wachovia Securities client and wish to unsubscribe from marketing e-mails from your Wachovia Securities financial advisor, reply to one of his/her e-mails and type "Unsubscribe" in the subject line. This action will not affect delivery of important service messages regarding your accounts that we may need to send you or preferences you may have previously set for other e-mail services. If you are not a client, please go to: https://www.wachovia.com/email/unsubscribe For additional information regarding our electronic communication policies please go to: http://www.wachoviasec.com/gotoemaildisclosure Investments in securities and insurance products are: NOT FDIC-INSURED/NOT BANK-GUARANTEED/MAY LOSE VALUE Wachovia Securities is the trade name used by two separate, registered broker-dealers and nonbank affiliates of Wachovia Corporation providing certain retail securities brokerage services: Wachovia Securities, LLC, Member NYSE/SIPC, and Wachovia Securities Financial Network, LLC, Member FINRA/SIPC. Wachovia Securities, 1 North Jefferson, St. Louis, MO 63103


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    Time: 06:38:44 AM PST US
    From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
    Subject: RV insurance
    Denis=2C since I have more than a little recent history with my damage clai m to Black Magic=2C I cannot say enough about the quality of professionalis m from AIG through Travers & Associates 1-800-888-9859. I got great premiu ms and they were there when I needed them. Dana Overall Richmond=2C KY i39 RV-7 slider "Black Magic" Flying..well sorta=2C useta=2C kinda Barrett Precision O 360 A1A Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4 http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive Subject: RV-List: RV insurance From: denis.roberts@wachoviasec.com RV insurance Any company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons=2C Inc. Omaha=2C NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts@agedwards.com ATTENTION: Please be aware that the confidentiality of Internet e-mail cannot be guaranteed. Instructions having financial consequences such as trade orders=2C funds transfer=2C etc.=2C should not be included in your e-mail communications to us as we cannot act on such instructions received by e-mail. If you are a current Wachovia Securities client and wish to unsubscribe from marketing e-mails from your Wachovia Securities financial advisor=2C reply to one of his/her e-mails and type "Unsubscribe" in the subject line. This action will not affect delivery of important service messages regarding your accounts that we may need to send you or preferences you may have previously set for other e-mail services. If you are not a client=2C please go to: https://www.wachovia.com/email/unsubscribe For additional information regarding our electronic communication policies please go to: http://www.wachoviasec.com/gotoemaildisclosure Investments in securities and insurance products are: NOT FDIC-INSURED/NOT BANK-GUARANTEED/MAY LOSE VALUE Wachovia Securities is the trade name used by two separate=2C registered broker-dealers and nonbank affiliates of Wachovia Corporation providing certain retail securities brokerage services: Wachovia Securities=2C LLC=2C Member NYSE/SIPC=2C and Wachovia Securities Financial Network=2C LLC=2C Member FINRA/SIPC. Wachovia Securities=2C 1 North Jefferson=2C St. Louis=2C MO 63103 _________________________________________________________________ Got Game? Win Prizes in the Windows Live Hotmail Mobile Summer Games Trivia Contest http://www.gowindowslive.com/summergames?ocid=TXT_TAGHM


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    Time: 06:52:51 AM PST US
    From: "Carl Froehlich" <carl.froehlich@cox.net>
    Subject: RV insurance
    Nation Air. I have been using them for five years. I'm happy with their rates and service. Carl Froehlich RV-8A (450 hrs) RV-10 (fuselage) From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of ROBERTS, DENIS Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 9:19 AM Subject: RV-List: RV insurance Any company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Omaha, NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts@agedwards.com ATTENTION: Please be aware that the confidentiality of Internet e-mail cannot be guaranteed. Instructions having financial consequences such as trade orders, funds transfer, etc., should not be included in your e-mail communications to us as we cannot act on such instructions received by e-mail. If you are a current Wachovia Securities client and wish to unsubscribe from marketing e-mails from your Wachovia Securities financial advisor, reply to one of his/her e-mails and type "Unsubscribe" in the subject line. This action will not affect delivery of important service messages regarding your accounts that we may need to send you or preferences you may have previously set for other e-mail services. If you are not a client, please go to: https://www.wachovia.com/email/unsubscribe For additional information regarding our electronic communication policies please go to: http://www.wachoviasec.com/gotoemaildisclosure Investments in securities and insurance products are: NOT FDIC-INSURED/NOT BANK-GUARANTEED/MAY LOSE VALUE Wachovia Securities is the trade name used by two separate, registered broker-dealers and nonbank affiliates of Wachovia Corporation providing certain retail securities brokerage services: Wachovia Securities, LLC, Member NYSE/SIPC, and Wachovia Securities Financial Network, LLC, Member FINRA/SIPC. Wachovia Securities, 1 North Jefferson, St. Louis, MO 63103


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    Time: 07:23:51 AM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: RV insurance
    ROBERTS, DENIS wrote: > Any company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? > > Denis Roberts Dennis, Skysmith has been my broker since 1997: http://www.skysmith.com AIG has been my carrier since 1999 and has always returned the lowest quotes. Sam Buchanan


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    Time: 07:59:13 AM PST US
    From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
    Matt, Leave it open, I looked at an RV at OSH that was open and it looked okay, your work looks great, put in a little aluminum if you want, I have been screwing around with mind for about 6 months, and I should have went with the aluminum. Also, you can always close it later! My two cents. Jim RV9a ----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Dralle" <dralle@matronics.com> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2008 10:01 PM Subject: RV-List: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips... > > Dear Listers, > > Here are some pictures of my recently finished Fin and Rudder > fiberglass tips, specifically highlighting my notion of mounting the > VOR/GS/LOC antenna on the top of the Fin. It came out very nice I > think and gives full access to cabling and antenna mount for maintenance. > > But here's my question. Look at that last picture of the back end of > the Fin fiberglass tip and note the gaping hole. I gather from the > plans that it is kind of up to the builder whether to put a cover on > the back of it. My first question would have to be why the f*** > isn't there one already molded on it like on the front of the rudder > tip? But, hostility aside, what's everyone's thoughts on finishing > these? I'm just thinking that my patience for fiberglass layups > hovers around zero and I can just see taking a totally sweet tip > installation and mucking it royally. But, I will if I must. I would > really like the back end finished off rather than gaping open like > that, but it might be something I could live with... > > Thoughts? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 > -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Checked by AVG. 8:23 AM


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    Time: 08:22:03 AM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
    Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote: > <jfogarty@tds.net> > > Matt, Leave it open, I looked at an RV at OSH that was open and it > looked okay, your work looks great, put in a little aluminum if you > want, I have been screwing around with mind for about 6 months, and I > should have went with the aluminum. Also, you can always close it > later! My two cents. > > Jim > RV9a Dittos. Been living with open-ended fairings on my RV-6 for nine years and it bothered me for about......three seconds. :-) It's one of those things you forget about after you move on to bigger parts of the project. Sam Buchanan


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    Time: 08:25:38 AM PST US
    From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Another Fuel Question
    Walt, The Amphenol part originally refered to is the bulkhead electrical connector, not the sender plate itself. I will send you a post off list with more pertenient info. Charlie --- On Thu, 8/7/08, rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> wrote: > From: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 9:55 AM > <rveighta@earthlink.net> > > > Charlie, thank you and the others who have suggested > solutions to my fuel leak problem. I do have the Van's > fuel level gauges/sending units on my RV8, and after > removing the wing to fuselage fairings once again, I believe > the right sending unit may be leaking; I don't see any > blue stains, but the fiber center of the unit appears dark > in color compared to the one on the left side. > > You mentioned Amphenol brand sender as better than the > Van's standard unit - where can I get them? I've > tried googling for Amphenol senders several different ways > but don't get anything helpful. > > Thanks again.... > > Walt Shipley > > -----Original Message----- > >From: Charles Kuss <chaskuss@yahoo.com> > >Sent: Aug 7, 2008 7:39 AM > >To: rv-list@matronics.com > >Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > > > <chaskuss@yahoo.com> > > > >My error. I should have placed a comma after the > abbreviation USA to clarify that statement. > >Charlie > > > > > >--- On Thu, 8/7/08, Vanremog@aol.com > <Vanremog@aol.com> wrote: > > > >> From: Vanremog@aol.com <Vanremog@aol.com> > >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Fuel Question > >> To: rv-list@matronics.com > >> Date: Thursday, August 7, 2008, 12:43 AM > >> In a message dated 8/6/2008 7:43:52 P.M. Pacific > Daylight > >> Time, > >> chaskuss@yahoo.com writes: > >> > >> If you find that the leak is at the bulkhead > connector for > >> the capacitance > >> fuel senders (if you have those) be sure to > purchase > >> genuine, made in the USA > >> AMPHANOL brand for the replacement. > >> > >> > >> Actually the name of the company is Amphenol. > >> > >> > >> > >> N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 895hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, > Silicon > >> Valley) > >> > >> > >> > >> **************Looking for a car that's sporty, > fun and > >> fits in your budget? > >> Read reviews on AOL Autos. > >> > (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 > >> ) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >


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    Time: 08:47:21 AM PST US
    From: "John Fasching" <n1cxo320@salidaco.com>
    Subject: Re: RV insurance
    Does that Falcon insurance also provide "premises" (ie, hangar) coverage as part of a liability-only policy?


    Message 11


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    Time: 10:38:36 AM PST US
    From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
    A really simple way to fill the open ends is to find someone building a composite airplane get a little scrap of the sandwich foam filled fiberglass and cut it to fit the open end, glue in with a little epoxy and lightly sand and it is done. Jerry Sam Buchanan wrote: > > Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote: > >> Realty" <jfogarty@tds.net> >> >> Matt, Leave it open, I looked at an RV at OSH that was open and it >> looked okay, your work looks great, put in a little aluminum if you >> want, I have been screwing around with mind for about 6 months, and I >> should have went with the aluminum. Also, you can always close it >> later! My two cents. >> >> Jim >> RV9a > > > Dittos. Been living with open-ended fairings on my RV-6 for nine years > and it bothered me for about......three seconds. :-) > > It's one of those things you forget about after you move on to bigger > parts of the project. > > Sam Buchanan > >


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    Time: 11:38:51 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: RV insurance
    From: cbrxxdrv@AOL.COM
    Another vote for Nationair. I had the insurance on my RV4 with them and now they take care of the RV8. I have never had a claim but the customer service and rates has been great. Sal -----Original Message----- From: ROBERTS, DENIS <denis.roberts@wachoviasec.com> Sent: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 9:19 am Subject: RV-List: RV insurance Any company suggestions? insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Omaha, NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts@agedwards.com ATTENTION: Please be aware that the confidentiality of Internet e-mail cannot be guaranteed. Instructions having financial consequences such as trade orders, funds transfer, etc., should not be included in your e-mail communications to us as we cannot act on such instructions received by e-mail. If you are a current Wachovia Securities client and wish to unsubscribe from marketing e-mails from your Wachovia Securities financial advisor, reply to one of his/her e-mails and type "Unsubscribe" in the subject line. This action will not affect delivery of important service messages regarding your accounts that we may need to send you or preferences you may have previously set for other e-mail services. If you are not a client, please go to: https://www.wachovia.com/email/unsubscribe For additional information regarding our electronic communication policies please go to: http://www.wachoviasec.com/gotoemaildisclosure Investments in securities and insurance products are: NOT FDIC-INSURED/NOT BANK-GUARANTEED/MAY LOSE VALUE Wachovia Securities is the trade name used by two separate, registered broker-dealers and nonbank affiliates of Wachovia Corporation providing certain retail securities brokerage services: Wachovia Securities, LLC, Member NYSE/SIPC, and Wachovia Securities Financial Network, LLC, Member FINRA/SIPC. Wachovia Securities, 1 North Jefferson, St. Louis, MO 63103


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    Time: 12:05:29 PM PST US
    Subject: Alternator part number?
    From: eddyfernan@aol.com
    On the way back from Oshkosh to Florida my alternator died (lasted 2 years).? Switched off the main bus and ran the E bus all the way home (thanks Bob N.).? It was a 35 amp externally regulated part #14184.? Anyone out there know what the part number is for the same type of alternator?except in?55 amp unit externally regulated? Eddy Fernandez RV9A 300 TT


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    Time: 12:06:03 PM PST US
    From: "Dale Ensing" <densing@carolina.rr.com>
    Subject: Re: RV insurance
    Ditto on Nationair. Dale ----- Original Message ----- From: cbrxxdrv@aol.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 2:37 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: RV insurance Another vote for Nationair. I had the insurance on my RV4 with them and n ow they take care of the RV8. I have never had a claim but the customer service and rates has been grea t. Sal -----Original Message----- From: ROBERTS, DENIS <denis.roberts@wachoviasec.com> To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Fri, 8 Aug 2008 9:19 am Subject: RV-List: RV insurance Any company suggestions insurance for a RV6a? Denis Roberts Senior Investment Broker A.G. Edwards & Sons, Inc. Omaha, NE 402-496-9700 / 800-944-2609 denis.roberts@agedwards.com


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    Time: 02:27:47 PM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Consensus On Finishing Back End Of Fiberglass Tips...
    Since I'm working on the -10 tail tips ...... I plan to make a layup on the front face of the elevator tip (when I get that part fixed. these parts are atrocious!) and use that as the layup inside the stab tip. Easier to fix the (1/8" minimum) separation that way. Which leads me to a question (no I didn't check the archives ..... yet) ..... what kind of resin was used on the RV-10 FG parts??? Linn Jerry Springer wrote: > > A really simple way to fill the open ends is to find someone building > a composite airplane > get a little scrap of the sandwich foam filled fiberglass and cut it > to fit the open end, > glue in with a little epoxy and lightly sand and it is done. > > Jerry


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    Time: 03:54:31 PM PST US
    From: Jim Hurd <jhurd1@twcny.rr.com>
    Subject: EAA 486 Northeast Builders' and RV Forum
    Hi All, EAA Chapter 486 is presenting it's annual Northeast Builders' and RV Forum September 12-13, 2008 at Oswego County Airport (FZY), Fulton, NY I am scheduling RV flight instruction with Mike Seager on the 12th, 13th and 14th. There will be 3 slots each morning and 3 slots each afternoon. Please contact me at 315-761-1702 (leave a message if I cannot answer) or at jhurd1@twcny.rr.com to schedule your time with Mike. I need to hear from you by Sept 1st if you wish to schedule time with Mike so that I can let him know if there is enough work here to make it worth his trip to central New York. Thanks, Jim Hurd http://eaachapter486.com/


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    Time: 04:03:28 PM PST US
    From: FASTPILOTRV8@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Alternator part number?
    Just a FYI have had a B&C and over the five years I have been flying my RV8 all of the bugs were related to B&C and of course it was always my fault. Well since I just put in a new glass panel and a second battery for the E-Bus and again had alternator failure and of course it was my fault. Well you know after I replaced all the wiring it was supposedly still my fault and tired of paying fees to B&C I took sledge hammer to my B&C alt. and regulator. You know I drop in a 60 amp Plane Power internally regulated alternaor and amazingly everything works and keeps working. Dane In a message dated 8/8/2008 2:07:20 PM Central Daylight Time, eddyfernan@aol.com writes: On the way back from Oshkosh to Florida my alternator died (lasted 2 years). Switched off the main bus and ran the E bus all the way home (thanks Bob N.). It was a 35 amp externally regulated part #14184. Anyone out there know what the part number is for the same type of alternator except in 55 amp unit externally regulated? Eddy Fernandez RV9A 300 TT ____________________________________ It's time to go back to school! Get the latest trends and gadgets that make the grade on _AOL Shopping_ (http://shopping.aol.com/back-to-school?ncid=aolins00050000000007) . (http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List) (http://www.matronics.com/contribution) **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 )


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    Time: 07:12:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    Swift Fuels Home: Meet Our Team Test Videos Swift Renewable Fuels Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels. In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely renewable fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is 100 Low Lead (100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the use of 100LL due to tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the octane number to 100. There currently is a moratorium on this ban until 2010. Swift has this solution. Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a final fuel, we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass. This creation method is superior to the existing refining method because we maintain control over the entire process giving us the flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM specifications. The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are: Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications) 15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates) 20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel 15% more volumetric energy than 100LL No need for stabilizers or additives More Information Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ Copyright 2008 Swift Enterprises. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197465#197465


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    Time: 07:59:02 PM PST US
    From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
    I was not aware that 100LL had been banned in the United States. Tomorrow, in a brazen act of civil disobedience, I plan to buy some 100LL and use it - in my "piston-fired aircraft" (because the preferred 93 octane mogas will be unavailable on the road). If I get arrested, y'all please come visit me in the pokey, okay? The way I figure it, if it has 15% more volumetric energy, it could deliver a 15% increase in range. Not "15-25%." Just 15%, period. Only by adding snake oil (synthesized from bio-mass, of course) can we get 25% more range from just 15% more energy. That, and lighting it off with airfoil-electrode spark plugs, of course. Why do I have this hunch that Swift Renewable Fuels is headquartered in Nigeria? -Stormy On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Swift Fuels Home: > Meet Our Team > Test Videos > > > Swift Renewable Fuels > Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels. > In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely > renewable fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is 100 Low > Lead (100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the use of 100LL due > to tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the octane number to 100. There > currently is a moratorium on this ban until 2010. Swift has this solution. > > Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a final fuel, > we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass. This creation method is > superior to the existing refining method because we maintain control over > the entire process giving us the flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM > specifications. > > > The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are: > > Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications) > > 15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates) > > 20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel > > 15% more volumetric energy than 100LL > > No need for stabilizers or additives > > More Information > Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ > Copyright (c) 2008 Swift Enterprises. > > -------- > Roger Lee > Tucson, Az. > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated > Rotax Service Center > 520-574-1080 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197465#197465 > >


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    Time: 08:26:47 PM PST US
    From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
    It is also starting to smell a lot like spam after the fourth or fifth time posted to the RV-List do not archive Bill Boyd wrote: > I was not aware that 100LL had been banned in the United States. > Tomorrow, in a brazen act of civil disobedience, I plan to buy some > 100LL and use it - in my "piston-fired aircraft" (because the > preferred 93 octane mogas will be unavailable on the road). > > If I get arrested, y'all please come visit me in the pokey, okay? > > The way I figure it, if it has 15% more volumetric energy, it could > deliver a 15% increase in range. Not "15-25%." Just 15%, period. > Only by adding snake oil (synthesized from bio-mass, of course) can we > get 25% more range from just 15% more energy. That, and lighting it > off with airfoil-electrode spark plugs, of course. > > Why do I have this hunch that Swift Renewable Fuels is headquartered > in Nigeria? > > -Stormy > > On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 10:11 PM, Roger Lee <ssadiver1@yahoo.com > <mailto:ssadiver1@yahoo.com>> wrote: > > <mailto:ssadiver1@yahoo.com>> > > Swift Fuels Home: > Meet Our Team > Test Videos > > > Swift Renewable Fuels > Welcome to the next generation of aviation fuels. > In fact, this is the introduction of the first and only completely > renewable fuel. The current fuel used in piston fired aircraft is > 100 Low Lead (100LL). The United States and Europe have banned the > use of 100LL due to tetraethyl lead which is needed to bring the > octane number to 100. There currently is a moratorium on this ban > until 2010. Swift has this solution. > > Unlike the current process of refining crude oil to arrive at a > final fuel, we synthetically create hydrocarbons from bio-mass. > This creation method is superior to the existing refining method > because we maintain control over the entire process giving us the > flexibility to meet or exceed current ASTM specifications. > > > The advantages of Swift Bio-Synthetic Fuel are: > > Seamless replacement of 100LL (no engine modifications) > > 15-25% increase in range over 100LL (no oxygenates) > > 20% drop in pollutants over the current 100LL fuel > > 15% more volumetric energy than 100LL > > No need for stabilizers or additives > > More Information > Site Terms | Privacy Policy | Contact Us | FAQ > Copyright 2008 Swift Enterprises. > > -------- > Roger Lee > Tucson, Az. > Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated > Rotax Service Center > 520-574-1080 > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197465#197465 > >


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    Time: 08:36:12 PM PST US
    Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
    From: "Roger Lee" <ssadiver1@yahoo.com>
    Hi Bill, Spam! Not hardly. Trying to educate people and hope they are willing to help themselves and their fellow aviators before you blink and it already past you by. Education and caring is a wide path. This is the first negative comment I have had in hundreds of replies. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080 Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p=197473#197473


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    Time: 10:31:24 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf@dcn.davis.ca.us>
    Subject: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard!
    Consider us educated. No more posts needed. RF -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Roger Lee Sent: Friday, August 08, 2008 8:35 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: 91 octane, time to be heard! Hi Bill, Spam! Not hardly. Trying to educate people and hope they are willing to help themselves and their fellow aviators before you blink and it already past you by. Education and caring is a wide path. This is the first negative comment I have had in hundreds of replies. -------- Roger Lee Tucson, Az. Light Sport Repairman - Maintenance Rated Rotax Service Center 520-574-1080




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