---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 08/11/08: 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:43 AM - Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraft (Charles Heathco) 2. 06:05 AM - Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft (Paul Besing) 3. 06:09 AM - Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft (Kelly McMullen) 4. 08:10 AM - Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... (Vanremog@aol.com) 5. 08:40 AM - Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... (Greg Young) 6. 09:46 AM - Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... (Marty Santic) 7. 10:11 AM - Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... (Chuck Jensen) 8. 10:35 AM - Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... (linn Walters) 9. 10:42 AM - Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... (Bruce Gray) 10. 08:07 PM - Re: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... (RV4PatA@aol.com) 11. 09:03 PM - painting hinges (tom sargent) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:43:46 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sales tax on experimental aircraft You can always give them wheat you consider to be the value of the plane as I do.(low) they have never questioned it as it is a homebuilt experimental (6a) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:05:35 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft Yes, I remember the $25 from my RV-6A....just since I have spoken on the ph one and read the publication, it appears that there is nothing in writing t hat says $25 for experimentals....I've managed to not register the airplane for 2 years, but it seems they are getting quite unhappy about it...we sha ll see what the bill is! =0A=0APaul Besing=0ARV-4 N73DD=0AArizona=0A=0A=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Patrick Kelley =0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Sunday, August 10, 2008 8:38:48 PM=0AS ubject: RE: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft=0A=0A =0APaul, that publication is also about worthless. Note that=0Athe regist ration form refers to instructions =93in the registration guidelines=94. =0AWhen I emailed the Aviation division about the form, they asked me for m y N=0Anumber and then replied that my aircraft is an Experimental (as oppos ed to=0AHomebuilt and no explanation as to what the difference is. They al so told=0Ame to hold the form until I have the Airworthiness certificate; t he purchase=0Adate is the Bill of Sale date and the date the aircraft enter s the state is the=0Adate on the Airworthiness. So, I have yet to receive a bill either but I=0Ahave it on good authority (a longtime resident A&P an d also a guy who just=0Aregistered his Lancair Propject) that non-certifica ted aircraft don=92t get=0Aassessed by that formula; the Lancair guy just p aid $25 for his last=0Ayear. Maybe they assume experimental are always und er repair=85 ;)=0A =0ANow, the tax issue is another kettle of fish entirely . I have=0Aalready been practicing my cringe for when that shoe drops.=0A =0APatrick Kelley ' RV-6A - Close to first engine start=0A =0AFrom:owner -rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] O n=0ABehalf Of Paul Besing=0ASent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 10:26 PM=0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on ex perimental aircraft=0A =0A From the Arizona=0Aregistration publication:=0A" The Aeronautics Division annually determines the value of aircraft for=0Ata x purposes using industry sources and guides. The value assessed is=0Abase d on the average low wholesale bluebook value for the make, model, and year =0Aof the aircraft. No consideration is given to condition, equipment, or =0Apurchase price."=0A=0AThe other post about $25 is ONLY for storage or un der repair. =0A=0AKeep in mind, this is an ANNUAL fee. So yes, an $80k ai rplane costs=0A$400/year to register. Once you register, then the tax man will also come=0Atalk to you to see if you paid sales tax of whatever perce nt....I have yet to=0Ahave the bill, but I am about to register so we will see. I imagine it's=0A5-7% sales tax too..=0A=0APaul Besing=0ARV-4 N73DD =0AArizona=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Tim Bryan =0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, August 9, 2008 4:11: 47 PM=0ASubject: RE: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircr aft=0A>>>You also have a=0Asticker you have to buy and is an annual fee of .005 of the 'assessed' value of=0Athe aircraft. <<<=0A =0AOMG! 80k * .005 = $=0A400.00 Who gets to determine the value? I live in Texas for nearl y=0A2 years now and have heard nothing from nobody. I did not build or=0Ar egister it here, but it has been located here since October of 06. =0AThank fully it isn?t on a public airport where it might get reported to the=0Asta te.=0A =0A =0ATim=0ABryan=0ARV-6=0AFlying=0AN616TB over=0A100 hours now=0AF rom:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matroni cs.com] On=0ABehalf Of Paul Besing=0ASent: Saturday, August 09, 2008 12:16 PM=0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASubject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft=0A =0AArizona airports provide the=0Adepartmen t of transportation a list of all the airplanes kept there, especially=0Aif you rent a hangar or tie down. The state will send you a notice saying=0A that you must register and pay tax on the airplane, or provide proof that t ax=0Awas paid. You also have a sticker you have to buy and is an annual fe e of=0A.005 of the 'assessed' value of the aircraft. =0A=0APaul Besing=0AR V-4 N73DD=0AArizona=0A =0A----- Original Message ----=0AFrom: Dennis Jones =0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Saturday, Augus t 9, 2008 12:23:57 AM=0ASubject: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experi mental aircraft=0AAny=0Aexperience or knowledge on either Texas or Arizona on how these states=0Atreat sales and use tax on a completed experimental a ircraft? In=0ATexas do they allow the use of the "occasional sale" exemptio ==============0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:09:05 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraft You do want to register as soon as it is a flying aircraft. Otherwise the penalties will add up much faster than the registration fee. Paul Besing wrote: > Yes, I remember the $25 from my RV-6A....just since I have spoken on > the phone and read the publication, it appears that there is nothing > in writing that says $25 for experimentals....I've managed to not > register the airplane for 2 years, but it seems they are getting quite > unhappy about it...we shall see what the bill is! > > Paul Besing > RV-4 N73DD > Arizona > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:10:53 AM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... In a message dated 8/11/2008 5:45:16 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, cheathco@cox.net writes: You can always give them wheat you consider to be the value of the plane as I do.(low) they have never questioned it as it is a homebuilt experimental (6a) Do you give the wheat value as whole grain or do you just bake it into the bread loaf equivalent and send it off? -GV **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:40:30 AM PST US From: "Greg Young" Subject: RE: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... No, just send them the dough... You can always give them wheat you consider to be the value of the plane as I do.(low) they have never questioned it as it is a homebuilt experimental (6a) Do you give the wheat value as whole grain or do you just bake it into the bread loaf equivalent and send it off? -GV ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:46:48 AM PST US From: "Marty Santic" Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... Can anyone comment on what to do in the state of Iowa. Will be starting a RV-12 this month. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Greg Young wrote: > No, just send them the dough... > > > You can always give them wheat you consider to be the value of the plane as > I do.(low) they have never questioned it as it is a homebuilt experimental > (6a) > > Do you give the wheat value as whole grain or do you just bake it into > the bread loaf equivalent and send it off? > > -GV > > * > > > * > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:11:19 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... From: "Chuck Jensen" Dress warmly in the winter and keep hydrated in the summer. Chuck Jensen (formerly of Ringsted & Ames, IA, so I know whereof I speak) -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Marty Santic Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... Can anyone comment on what to do in the state of Iowa. Will be starting a RV-12 this month. ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:35:55 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... Marty Santic wrote: > Can anyone comment on what to do in the state of Iowa. Will be > starting a RV-12 this month. Ask around at your local airport or EAA meeting. Linn do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 10:42:52 AM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... In most states that have a use/sales tax on aircraft, the interest of the tax man is triggered by the act of registering your airplane with the FAA. The FAA provides a monthly data dump to all states that specifies the registration activity in their respective states. This usually prompts a letter asking you to prove you paid their use/sales tax. There are several avenues to use to minimize your tax bite. The easiest is to pay the tax on the first kits delivered. Make sure you document and save the payment data. Then, when asked - usually several years later, just copy them your file and most go away. Register your airplane early, this starts the process before all the expensive bits are added. Have fun. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Marty Santic Sent: Monday, August 11, 2008 12:44 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... Can anyone comment on what to do in the state of Iowa. Will be starting a RV-12 this month. On Mon, Aug 11, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Greg Young wrote: No, just send them the dough... You can always give them wheat you consider to be the value of the plane as I do.(low) they have never questioned it as it is a homebuilt experimental (6a) Do you give the wheat value as whole grain or do you just bake it into the bread loaf equivalent and send it off? -GV ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:07:29 PM PST US From: RV4PatA@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: State use and sales tax on experimental aircraftState use and sa... As an Iowa RV owner, I would use the kit price as the total aircraft value for taxes. **************Looking for a car that's sporty, fun and fits in your budget? Read reviews on AOL Autos. (http://autos.aol.com/cars-BMW-128-2008/expert-review?ncid=aolaut00050000000017 ) ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 09:03:41 PM PST US From: tom sargent Subject: RV-List: painting hinges I am priming prior to painting and wondering if any one knows a good way to seal up the hinge eyes on the various piano hinges (flaps, cowling, elev. trim tab, etc.) so that paint doesn't get in. On the smaller hinges, I discovered that the paper shaft of Q-tips fits inside nicely and can be cut out with a wire snipper easily afterwards. I also found some 1/4" round stick-on labels at the office supply store which cover up the ends of the hinge eyes nicely, but I suspect the blast of the spray gun will dislodge them. I'll find out shortly. Any other ideas? -- Tom S., RV-6A, getting ready to paint. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.