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1. 04:19 AM - Flyin Sept 13 KMOR (Morristown, TN) (Brian Chesteen)
2. 09:51 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (AndrewTR30)
3. 09:51 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (AndrewTR30)
4. 09:57 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (AndrewTR30)
5. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (RICHARD MILLER)
6. 10:10 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
7. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (RICHARD MILLER)
8. 10:25 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (Sam Buchanan)
9. 10:56 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (John Cox)
10. 11:03 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (John Cox)
11. 03:42 PM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (richard sipp)
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13. 07:14 PM - Re: Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing... (Charlie England)
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Subject: | Flyin Sept 13 KMOR (Morristown, TN) |
Please see
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=32729 for a
detailed description of the flyin scheduled for Sept 13th @ KMOR
(Morristown, TN)
Come one come all for a great day of aviation fun! Experimentals and
all other types of aircraft welcome. Special fuel price that day etc.
Best regards!
Brian (Brantel) Chesteen
DO NOT ARCHIVE
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Subject: | Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash |
Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569
Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening.
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Andrew Rayhill
RV-10 40078
Phoenix
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash |
Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569
Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening.
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Andrew Rayhill
RV-10 40078
Phoenix
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Subject: | Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash |
Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569
Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening.
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Andrew Rayhill
RV-10 40078
Phoenix
Read this topic online here:
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Subject: | Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash |
TOM
-
-- while completely baning experimental aircraft from any airport is ju
st a knee jerk reaction, you have to admit that the experimental aircraft c
omunity has a higher accident rate then the certified especially in the fir
st hundred hours. this is due to several factors, that have been well docum
ented.
-
--
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Richard Riley <richard@riley.net> wrote:
From: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
The old manager of Las Vegas North, Gus Sabo, was killed in a Long
EZ that he built.
http://www.eaa163.com/chapter/gus/index.htm?/lvrj_home/1999/Mar-20-Sat-1999
/news/10832488.html
He flew VFR into IFR conditions in Baja California. Being a pilot
does not insure that one has good judgement.
At 09:04 PM 8/22/2008, Tom Gummo wrote:
>
>Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
>
>I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot
>and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las
>Vegas. It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours
>of flight time. I went on the Internet to find a little more
>info. I was shocked to read the comments of the airport director.
>
>Quote from the website:
>
><http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq>ht
tp://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq
>
>According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the
>worst air accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now
>for the first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local
>control over what aircraft come in and out of airports.
>
>Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and
>out -- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of
>risks these experimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going
>to start lobbying to get Congress to change the law and allow
>airports to have more control.
>
>But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not
>belong in urban areas.
>
> From AirNav website:
>
>Ownership:
>
>Publicly-owned
>
>Owner:
>
>CLARK COUNTY
>2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101
>NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030
>Phone 702-261-3802
>
>Manager:
>
>DOUG MCNEELEY
>2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101
>NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030
>Phone 702-261-3800
>MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II
>702.261.3804 702.647.7508 (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT
>DRIVE, SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89032
>
> From website:
>
<http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker>http://www.aci-na.org/about/
leadership_walker
>
>Prior to his appointment as the director of aviation, Walker was
>assistant county manager for Clark County from 1996 to 1997. As
>assistant county manager, he oversaw 12 county departments and
>provided fiscal oversight for District Court, Justice Court, and all
>of Clark County's elected officials. In 1995, Walker served as
>director of the county's Department of Finance.
>
>**************************************************************************
**********************************
>
>
>I read the complete bio and there was no indication of any aviation
>experience. My first question is why do ANTI-AVIATION types, who
>are not pilots and have no flying experience, rise up to get airport
>director jobs? For example, the new director of airports for San
>Bernardino County, CA is not a pilot. My info maybe old, but the
>Navy had a rule that to command an aircraft carrier, you had to be a
>pilot. Might make a good rule for airport managers.
>
>(Sour grapes alert.)
>
>I might have a chip on my shoulder about this. As the manager of
>Apple Valley, CA (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not
>given a interview as I didn't have a BA business degree. My Masters
>Degree in Computer Science and a BS in Chemistry of course, didn't
>prepare me to run a airport. However, I also have twenty years of
>military experience as a flight safety officer and Supervisor of Flying.
>
>(Enough sour grapes.)
>
>Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on this right away before
>it gets out of hand.
>
>Please write and call anybody you think can help.
>
>Tom Gummo
>Apple Valley, CA
>Harmon Rocket-II
>
>do not archive
>
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gummo/index.html
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Subject: | Las Vegas Aircraft Crash |
AOPA and EAA are both well aware of antics in Las Vegas. This isn't the
first time they've tried to shut down airspace to aircraft of a specific de
signation. A beer says this guy has his eye on public office down the road
.
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2006/060118experimental.html
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Finishing
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot and tw
o people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas. It was the
flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight time. I went on
the Internet to find a little more info. I was shocked to read the commen
ts of the airport director.
Quote from the website:
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq
According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the worst ai
r accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now for the first
time, Walker is publicly calling for more local control over what aircraft
come in and out of airports.
Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and out --
there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of risks these expe
rimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going to start lobbying to ge
t Congress to change the law and allow airports to have more control.
But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not belong i
n urban areas.
>From AirNav website:
Ownership:
Publicly-owned
Owner:
CLARK COUNTY
2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101
NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030
Phone 702-261-3802
Manager:
DOUG MCNEELEY
2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101
NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030
Phone 702-261-3800
MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II 702.261.3804 702.6
47.7508 (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT DRIVE, SUITE 101 NORTH L
AS VEGAS, NV 89032
>From website: http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker
Prior to his appointment as the director of aviation, Walker was assistant
county manager for Clark County from 1996 to 1997. As assistant county mana
ger, he oversaw 12 county departments and provided fiscal oversight for Dis
trict Court, Justice Court, and all of Clark County's elected officials. In
1995, Walker served as director of the county's Department of Finance.
***************************************************************************
*********************************
I read the complete bio and there was no indication of any aviation experie
nce. My first question is why do ANTI-AVIATION types, who are not pilots a
nd have no flying experience, rise up to get airport director jobs? For ex
ample, the new director of airports for San Bernardino County, CA is not a
pilot. My info maybe old, but the Navy had a rule that to command an aircr
aft carrier, you had to be a pilot. Might make a good rule for airport man
agers.
(Sour grapes alert.)
I might have a chip on my shoulder about this. As the manager of Apple Val
ley, CA (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not given a interview a
s I didn't have a BA business degree. My Masters Degree in Computer Scienc
e and a BS in Chemistry of course, didn't prepare me to run a airport. How
ever, I also have twenty years of military experience as a flight safety of
ficer and Supervisor of Flying.
(Enough sour grapes.)
Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on this right away before it gets
out of hand.
Please write and call anybody you think can help.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
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Subject: | Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash |
TOM
-
-- while completely baning experimental aircraft from any airport is ju
st a knee jerk reaction, you have to admit that the experimental aircraft c
omunity has a higher accident rate then the certified especially in the fir
st hundred hours. this is due to several factors, that have been well docum
ented.-
-
-- i personally see it as basic common sense to not test fly aircraft o
ver homes. i won't do it with new engines on certified aircraft why should
we do it with amature built,experimental aircraft,with autozone parts.
-
with the increase in building around airports it has become harder to find
safe places to test fly aircraft but that does not reduce our responsibilit
y to those people on the ground. if enough crap gets kicked up from this ac
cident we will see test flying banned from these types of strips. it seems
that we might need to step up to the plate. Maybe have the eaa and the faa
get together for a determination of what is an appropriate strip for test f
lights.
-
and lets be honest, even if you have to drive for two hours to a remote str
ip to fly your hours off, after spending 60 to a 100k on your project would
not you like to have someplace with decent off field capabilties, instead
of being stuck with having to eat a house. and the real possisbilty of kili
ng someone on the ground, not to mention the resulting lawsuit against your
estate, leaving your widow pennyless.
-
rick
a+p, i/a-
--
--- On Fri, 8/22/08, Richard Riley <richard@riley.net> wrote:
From: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net>
Subject: RV-List: Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
The old manager of Las Vegas North, Gus Sabo, was killed in a Long
EZ that he built.
http://www.eaa163.com/chapter/gus/index.htm?/lvrj_home/1999/Mar-20-Sat-1999
/news/10832488.html
He flew VFR into IFR conditions in Baja California. Being a pilot
does not insure that one has good judgement.
At 09:04 PM 8/22/2008, Tom Gummo wrote:
>
>Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
>
>I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot
>and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las
>Vegas. It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours
>of flight time. I went on the Internet to find a little more
>info. I was shocked to read the comments of the airport director.
>
>Quote from the website:
>
><http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq>ht
tp://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq
>
>According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the
>worst air accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now
>for the first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local
>control over what aircraft come in and out of airports.
>
>Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and
>out -- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of
>risks these experimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going
>to start lobbying to get Congress to change the law and allow
>airports to have more control.
>
>But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not
>belong in urban areas.
>
> From AirNav website:
>
>Ownership:
>
>Publicly-owned
>
>Owner:
>
>CLARK COUNTY
>2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101
>NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030
>Phone 702-261-3802
>
>Manager:
>
>DOUG MCNEELEY
>2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101
>NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030
>Phone 702-261-3800
>MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II
>702.261.3804 702.647.7508 (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT
>DRIVE, SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89032
>
> From website:
>
<http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker>http://www.aci-na.org/about/
leadership_walker
>
>Prior to his appointment as the director of aviation, Walker was
>assistant county manager for Clark County from 1996 to 1997. As
>assistant county manager, he oversaw 12 county departments and
>provided fiscal oversight for District Court, Justice Court, and all
>of Clark County's elected officials. In 1995, Walker served as
>director of the county's Department of Finance.
>
>**************************************************************************
**********************************
>
>
>I read the complete bio and there was no indication of any aviation
>experience. My first question is why do ANTI-AVIATION types, who
>are not pilots and have no flying experience, rise up to get airport
>director jobs? For example, the new director of airports for San
>Bernardino County, CA is not a pilot. My info maybe old, but the
>Navy had a rule that to command an aircraft carrier, you had to be a
>pilot. Might make a good rule for airport managers.
>
>(Sour grapes alert.)
>
>I might have a chip on my shoulder about this. As the manager of
>Apple Valley, CA (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not
>given a interview as I didn't have a BA business degree. My Masters
>Degree in Computer Science and a BS in Chemistry of course, didn't
>prepare me to run a airport. However, I also have twenty years of
>military experience as a flight safety officer and Supervisor of Flying.
>
>(Enough sour grapes.)
>
>Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on this right away before
>it gets out of hand.
>
>Please write and call anybody you think can help.
>
>Tom Gummo
>Apple Valley, CA
>Harmon Rocket-II
>
>do not archive
>
><http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html>http://mysite.verizon.net/t.
gummo/index.html
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash |
Tom Gummo wrote:
> Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
>
>
> I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot
> and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas.
> It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight
> time. I went on the Internet to find a little more info. I was
> shocked to read the comments of the airport director.
Aero-News reported Saturday morning the following:
"FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said the plane crashed at 0628 local time
Friday, shortly after takeoff from North Las Vegas Airport (VGT). The
pilot radioed mayday to the VGT before the plane went down, telling
controllers he was unable to gain altitude.
The impact sparked a fire, that emergency crews were able to quickly
extinguish.
Gregor told The Seattle Times the accident aircraft was approved by the
FAA in 2002, and was owned by a Las Vegas resident."
If this report is factual it sounds like the plane had been in service
for quite some time.
Sam Buchanan
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Subject: | Las Vegas Aircraft Crash |
Many would be surprised at the high number of previously owned and built
aircraft, now flown by second or third owners(Non Builders) during the
first few hours of their familiarization with the aircraft.
We all want the ability to sell our OBAM aircraft. We give little
consideration to the individual purchasing it or their ability to fly
without future incident. Just think how the original builder must now
feel.
The airport spokesman's bigoted and narrowly focused attitude towards
"His Airport" will soon be conditioned by the reality of the millions in
FAA dollars that have been invested into the public's right to have
operational access. It is all too familiar a narrative. Commercial Air
Carrier operations should take authority over the public's access.
John Cox
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:23 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
Tom Gummo wrote:
> Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
>
>
> I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot
> and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas.
> It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight
> time. I went on the Internet to find a little more info. I was
> shocked to read the comments of the airport director.
Aero-News reported Saturday morning the following:
"FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said the plane crashed at 0628 local time
Friday, shortly after takeoff from North Las Vegas Airport (VGT). The
pilot radioed mayday to the VGT before the plane went down, telling
controllers he was unable to gain altitude.
The impact sparked a fire, that emergency crews were able to quickly
extinguish.
Gregor told The Seattle Times the accident aircraft was approved by the
FAA in 2002, and was owned by a Las Vegas resident."
If this report is factual it sounds like the plane had been in service
for quite some time.
Sam Buchanan
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Subject: | Las Vegas Aircraft Crash |
NASAO members seldom seek higher office. They become complacent with
their government paycheck, perks and feeling of superiority. Your'e on
for the beer in any event. www.nasao.org
John Cox
PS - Don't ask me how I know about this group.
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder
(Michael Sausen)
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:08 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
AOPA and EAA are both well aware of antics in Las Vegas. This isn't
the first time they've tried to shut down airspace to aircraft of a
specific designation. A beer says this guy has his eye on public office
down the road.
http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2006/060118experimental.html
Michael Sausen
RV-10 #352 Finishing
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo
Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:05 PM
Subject: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot and
two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas. It was
the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight time. I
went on the Internet to find a little more info. I was shocked to read
the comments of the airport director.
Quote from the website:
http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq
According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the worst
air accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now for the
first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local control over what
aircraft come in and out of airports.
Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and out
-- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of risks these
experimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going to start
lobbying to get Congress to change the law and allow airports to have
more control.
But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not
belong in urban areas.
>From AirNav website:
Ownership:
Publicly-owned
Owner:
CLARK COUNTY
2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101
NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030
Phone 702-261-3802
Manager:
DOUG MCNEELEY
2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101
NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030
Phone 702-261-3800
MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II 702.261.3804
702.647.7508 (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT DRIVE, SUITE 101
NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89032
>From website: http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker
<http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker>
Prior to his appointment as the director of aviation, Walker was
assistant county manager for Clark County from 1996 to 1997. As
assistant county manager, he oversaw 12 county departments and provided
fiscal oversight for District Court, Justice Court, and all of Clark
County's elected officials. In 1995, Walker served as director of the
county's Department of Finance.
************************************************************************
************************************
I read the complete bio and there was no indication of any aviation
experience. My first question is why do ANTI-AVIATION types, who are
not pilots and have no flying experience, rise up to get airport
director jobs? For example, the new director of airports for San
Bernardino County, CA is not a pilot. My info maybe old, but the Navy
had a rule that to command an aircraft carrier, you had to be a pilot.
Might make a good rule for airport managers.
(Sour grapes alert.)
I might have a chip on my shoulder about this. As the manager of Apple
Valley, CA (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not given a
interview as I didn't have a BA business degree. My Masters Degree in
Computer Science and a BS in Chemistry of course, didn't prepare me to
run a airport. However, I also have twenty years of military experience
as a flight safety officer and Supervisor of Flying.
(Enough sour grapes.)
Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on this right away before it
gets out of hand.
Please write and call anybody you think can help.
Tom Gummo
Apple Valley, CA
Harmon Rocket-II
do not archive
http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html
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Subject: | Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash |
John:
I have to take exception to your comment "We give little consideration to
the individual......
When I sold my 4 that was my primary consideration; would the buyer be able
to handle
the airplane successfully. I only agreed to sell the airplane to the
eventual buyer (who had limited
experience) after being re-assured by his brother, a very experienced high
performance pilot that
he would fly with his brother and not let him solo the airplane until he was
ready.
I think all of us who sell or are thinking of selling an airplane we have
built worry a great deal
about the ability of the buyer to successfully operate the airplane because
we want the buyer to
be as happy with the airplane as we were and of course the fear of a
liability issue if the worst were
to happen.
Dick Sipp
N110DV 40065 flying
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:53 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
>
> Many would be surprised at the high number of previously owned and built
> aircraft, now flown by second or third owners(Non Builders) during the
> first few hours of their familiarization with the aircraft.
>
> We all want the ability to sell our OBAM aircraft. We give little
> consideration to the individual purchasing it or their ability to fly
> without future incident. Just think how the original builder must now
> feel.
>
> The airport spokesman's bigoted and narrowly focused attitude towards
> "His Airport" will soon be conditioned by the reality of the millions in
> FAA dollars that have been invested into the public's right to have
> operational access. It is all too familiar a narrative. Commercial Air
> Carrier operations should take authority over the public's access.
>
> John Cox
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:23 AM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
>
>
> Tom Gummo wrote:
>> Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
>>
>>
>> I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot
>> and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas.
>> It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight
>> time. I went on the Internet to find a little more info. I was
>> shocked to read the comments of the airport director.
>
>
> Aero-News reported Saturday morning the following:
>
> "FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said the plane crashed at 0628 local time
> Friday, shortly after takeoff from North Las Vegas Airport (VGT). The
> pilot radioed mayday to the VGT before the plane went down, telling
> controllers he was unable to gain altitude.
>
> The impact sparked a fire, that emergency crews were able to quickly
> extinguish.
>
> Gregor told The Seattle Times the accident aircraft was approved by the
> FAA in 2002, and was owned by a Las Vegas resident."
>
>
> If this report is factual it sounds like the plane had been in service
> for quite some time.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
>
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Subject: | Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing... |
Dear Listers,
Backing into the garage today I noticed the elevator skin bowing at
the trailing edge in the review mirror because of the way the light
was hitting it. Basically what the deal is I think is that I bent
the trailing edge of the elevators more than necessary. So, when I
pulled the leading edge apart to fit it over the spar, I now have a
concave bowing effect between some of the bays. Van's goes to great
lengths in the manual to make sure that bend the elevator trailing
edges *enough*, but doesn't make mention of what is "too much". The
radius of the trailing edge is still within spec and there is no
cracking or stress marks. Its just bent too much and looks like of
stupid. Somehow, I did the rudder perfectly, but both elevators
suffer from the effect. I've included some pictures below.
What the common thought on this issue? Are the safety/flutter issues
with over-bending as I have done? What to do...?
Thanks!
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880
RV-8 Fuse/Wing QB Kit Delivery Next Week! (Ordered May 20 2008)
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Subject: | Re: Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing... |
Matt Dralle wrote:
>
> Dear Listers,
>
> Backing into the garage today I noticed the elevator skin bowing at
> the trailing edge in the review mirror because of the way the light
> was hitting it. Basically what the deal is I think is that I bent the
> trailing edge of the elevators more than necessary. So, when I pulled
> the leading edge apart to fit it over the spar, I now have a concave
> bowing effect between some of the bays. Van's goes to great lengths
> in the manual to make sure that bend the elevator trailing edges
> *enough*, but doesn't make mention of what is "too much". The radius
> of the trailing edge is still within spec and there is no cracking or
> stress marks. Its just bent too much and looks like of stupid.
> Somehow, I did the rudder perfectly, but both elevators suffer from
> the effect. I've included some pictures below.
>
> What the common thought on this issue? Are the safety/flutter issues
> with over-bending as I have done? What to do...?
>
> Thanks!
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880
> RV-8 Fuse/Wing QB Kit Delivery Next Week! (Ordered May 20 2008)
I'll bet that there are many flying that look worse.
Do you have RTV in the bend? If yes, you might be stuck with what you've
got. If not:
If it really bothers you, try this (try on a test piece made from some
scrap first). Hold a piece of wood against the trailing edge so that it
spans most of one bay. Use a rubber mallet to drive the wood toward the
trailing edge. Light blows at first, checking for movement. If you use
rigid wood, take care to hit the center of the block so that the force
is spread evenly. Light plywood (1/4" or 3/8") minimizes the risk of the
wood's edge digging in & causing a dent. If you put the assembly on some
foam rubber, it will reduce the risk of over-correcting (or bending
something else) since it can move a bit when struck. Work along the
edge with multiple blows & check often.
I used this technique on an aileron when I over-bent trying to fix a
heavy wing.
Charlie
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