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Sat 08/23/08


Total Messages Posted: 13



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     1. 04:19 AM - Flyin Sept 13 KMOR (Morristown, TN) (Brian Chesteen)
     2. 09:51 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (AndrewTR30)
     3. 09:51 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (AndrewTR30)
     4. 09:57 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (AndrewTR30)
     5. 09:58 AM - Re: Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (RICHARD MILLER)
     6. 10:10 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     7. 10:24 AM - Re: Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (RICHARD MILLER)
     8. 10:25 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (Sam Buchanan)
     9. 10:56 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (John Cox)
    10. 11:03 AM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (John Cox)
    11. 03:42 PM - Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash (richard sipp)
    12. 04:55 PM - Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing... (Matt Dralle)
    13. 07:14 PM - Re: Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing... (Charlie England)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:19:51 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Chesteen" <bchesteen@hughes.net>
    Subject: Flyin Sept 13 KMOR (Morristown, TN)
    Please see http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=32729 for a detailed description of the flyin scheduled for Sept 13th @ KMOR (Morristown, TN) Come one come all for a great day of aviation fun! Experimentals and all other types of aircraft welcome. Special fuel price that day etc. Best regards! Brian (Brantel) Chesteen DO NOT ARCHIVE


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    Time: 09:51:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
    From: "AndrewTR30" <AndrewTR30@aol.com>
    Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569 Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening. -------- Andrew Rayhill RV-10 40078 Phoenix Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0097#200097


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    Time: 09:51:48 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
    From: "AndrewTR30" <AndrewTR30@AOL.COM>
    Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569 Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening. -------- Andrew Rayhill RV-10 40078 Phoenix Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0098#200098


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    Time: 09:57:21 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
    From: "AndrewTR30" <AndrewTR30@aol.com>
    Here is a little more info from the RV-10 forum: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?t=47569 Todays media is so far from being objective that it is literally frightening. -------- Andrew Rayhill RV-10 40078 Phoenix Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 0099#200099


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    Time: 09:58:11 AM PST US
    From: RICHARD MILLER <rickpegser@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
    TOM - -- while completely baning experimental aircraft from any airport is ju st a knee jerk reaction, you have to admit that the experimental aircraft c omunity has a higher accident rate then the certified especially in the fir st hundred hours. this is due to several factors, that have been well docum ented. - -- --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Richard Riley <richard@riley.net> wrote: From: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net> Subject: RV-List: Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash The old manager of Las Vegas North, Gus Sabo, was killed in a Long EZ that he built. http://www.eaa163.com/chapter/gus/index.htm?/lvrj_home/1999/Mar-20-Sat-1999 /news/10832488.html He flew VFR into IFR conditions in Baja California. Being a pilot does not insure that one has good judgement. At 09:04 PM 8/22/2008, Tom Gummo wrote: > >Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash > >I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot >and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las >Vegas. It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours >of flight time. I went on the Internet to find a little more >info. I was shocked to read the comments of the airport director. > >Quote from the website: > ><http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq>ht tp://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq > >According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the >worst air accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now >for the first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local >control over what aircraft come in and out of airports. > >Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and >out -- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of >risks these experimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going >to start lobbying to get Congress to change the law and allow >airports to have more control. > >But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not >belong in urban areas. > > From AirNav website: > >Ownership: > >Publicly-owned > >Owner: > >CLARK COUNTY >2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101 >NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030 >Phone 702-261-3802 > >Manager: > >DOUG MCNEELEY >2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101 >NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030 >Phone 702-261-3800 >MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II >702.261.3804 702.647.7508 (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT >DRIVE, SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89032 > > From website: > <http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker>http://www.aci-na.org/about/ leadership_walker > >Prior to his appointment as the director of aviation, Walker was >assistant county manager for Clark County from 1996 to 1997. As >assistant county manager, he oversaw 12 county departments and >provided fiscal oversight for District Court, Justice Court, and all >of Clark County's elected officials. In 1995, Walker served as >director of the county's Department of Finance. > >************************************************************************** ********************************** > > >I read the complete bio and there was no indication of any aviation >experience. My first question is why do ANTI-AVIATION types, who >are not pilots and have no flying experience, rise up to get airport >director jobs? For example, the new director of airports for San >Bernardino County, CA is not a pilot. My info maybe old, but the >Navy had a rule that to command an aircraft carrier, you had to be a >pilot. Might make a good rule for airport managers. > >(Sour grapes alert.) > >I might have a chip on my shoulder about this. As the manager of >Apple Valley, CA (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not >given a interview as I didn't have a BA business degree. My Masters >Degree in Computer Science and a BS in Chemistry of course, didn't >prepare me to run a airport. However, I also have twenty years of >military experience as a flight safety officer and Supervisor of Flying. > >(Enough sour grapes.) > >Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on this right away before >it gets out of hand. > >Please write and call anybody you think can help. > >Tom Gummo >Apple Valley, CA >Harmon Rocket-II > >do not archive > ><http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html>http://mysite.verizon.net/t. gummo/index.html > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 3375 (20080821) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 10:10:16 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
    AOPA and EAA are both well aware of antics in Las Vegas. This isn't the first time they've tried to shut down airspace to aircraft of a specific de signation. A beer says this guy has his eye on public office down the road . http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2006/060118experimental.html Michael Sausen RV-10 #352 Finishing From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot and tw o people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas. It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight time. I went on the Internet to find a little more info. I was shocked to read the commen ts of the airport director. Quote from the website: http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the worst ai r accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now for the first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local control over what aircraft come in and out of airports. Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and out -- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of risks these expe rimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going to start lobbying to ge t Congress to change the law and allow airports to have more control. But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not belong i n urban areas. >From AirNav website: Ownership: Publicly-owned Owner: CLARK COUNTY 2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030 Phone 702-261-3802 Manager: DOUG MCNEELEY 2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030 Phone 702-261-3800 MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II 702.261.3804 702.6 47.7508 (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT DRIVE, SUITE 101 NORTH L AS VEGAS, NV 89032 >From website: http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker Prior to his appointment as the director of aviation, Walker was assistant county manager for Clark County from 1996 to 1997. As assistant county mana ger, he oversaw 12 county departments and provided fiscal oversight for Dis trict Court, Justice Court, and all of Clark County's elected officials. In 1995, Walker served as director of the county's Department of Finance. *************************************************************************** ********************************* I read the complete bio and there was no indication of any aviation experie nce. My first question is why do ANTI-AVIATION types, who are not pilots a nd have no flying experience, rise up to get airport director jobs? For ex ample, the new director of airports for San Bernardino County, CA is not a pilot. My info maybe old, but the Navy had a rule that to command an aircr aft carrier, you had to be a pilot. Might make a good rule for airport man agers. (Sour grapes alert.) I might have a chip on my shoulder about this. As the manager of Apple Val ley, CA (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not given a interview a s I didn't have a BA business degree. My Masters Degree in Computer Scienc e and a BS in Chemistry of course, didn't prepare me to run a airport. How ever, I also have twenty years of military experience as a flight safety of ficer and Supervisor of Flying. (Enough sour grapes.) Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on this right away before it gets out of hand. Please write and call anybody you think can help. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signatur e database 3375 (20080821) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus.


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    Time: 10:24:12 AM PST US
    From: RICHARD MILLER <rickpegser@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
    TOM - -- while completely baning experimental aircraft from any airport is ju st a knee jerk reaction, you have to admit that the experimental aircraft c omunity has a higher accident rate then the certified especially in the fir st hundred hours. this is due to several factors, that have been well docum ented.- - -- i personally see it as basic common sense to not test fly aircraft o ver homes. i won't do it with new engines on certified aircraft why should we do it with amature built,experimental aircraft,with autozone parts. - with the increase in building around airports it has become harder to find safe places to test fly aircraft but that does not reduce our responsibilit y to those people on the ground. if enough crap gets kicked up from this ac cident we will see test flying banned from these types of strips. it seems that we might need to step up to the plate. Maybe have the eaa and the faa get together for a determination of what is an appropriate strip for test f lights. - and lets be honest, even if you have to drive for two hours to a remote str ip to fly your hours off, after spending 60 to a 100k on your project would not you like to have someplace with decent off field capabilties, instead of being stuck with having to eat a house. and the real possisbilty of kili ng someone on the ground, not to mention the resulting lawsuit against your estate, leaving your widow pennyless. - rick a+p, i/a- -- --- On Fri, 8/22/08, Richard Riley <richard@riley.net> wrote: From: Richard Riley <richard@riley.net> Subject: RV-List: Re: Rocket-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash The old manager of Las Vegas North, Gus Sabo, was killed in a Long EZ that he built. http://www.eaa163.com/chapter/gus/index.htm?/lvrj_home/1999/Mar-20-Sat-1999 /news/10832488.html He flew VFR into IFR conditions in Baja California. Being a pilot does not insure that one has good judgement. At 09:04 PM 8/22/2008, Tom Gummo wrote: > >Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash > >I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot >and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las >Vegas. It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours >of flight time. I went on the Internet to find a little more >info. I was shocked to read the comments of the airport director. > >Quote from the website: > ><http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq>ht tp://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq > >According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the >worst air accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now >for the first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local >control over what aircraft come in and out of airports. > >Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and >out -- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of >risks these experimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going >to start lobbying to get Congress to change the law and allow >airports to have more control. > >But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not >belong in urban areas. > > From AirNav website: > >Ownership: > >Publicly-owned > >Owner: > >CLARK COUNTY >2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101 >NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030 >Phone 702-261-3802 > >Manager: > >DOUG MCNEELEY >2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101 >NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030 >Phone 702-261-3800 >MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II >702.261.3804 702.647.7508 (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT >DRIVE, SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89032 > > From website: > <http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker>http://www.aci-na.org/about/ leadership_walker > >Prior to his appointment as the director of aviation, Walker was >assistant county manager for Clark County from 1996 to 1997. As >assistant county manager, he oversaw 12 county departments and >provided fiscal oversight for District Court, Justice Court, and all >of Clark County's elected officials. In 1995, Walker served as >director of the county's Department of Finance. > >************************************************************************** ********************************** > > >I read the complete bio and there was no indication of any aviation >experience. My first question is why do ANTI-AVIATION types, who >are not pilots and have no flying experience, rise up to get airport >director jobs? For example, the new director of airports for San >Bernardino County, CA is not a pilot. My info maybe old, but the >Navy had a rule that to command an aircraft carrier, you had to be a >pilot. Might make a good rule for airport managers. > >(Sour grapes alert.) > >I might have a chip on my shoulder about this. As the manager of >Apple Valley, CA (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not >given a interview as I didn't have a BA business degree. My Masters >Degree in Computer Science and a BS in Chemistry of course, didn't >prepare me to run a airport. However, I also have twenty years of >military experience as a flight safety officer and Supervisor of Flying. > >(Enough sour grapes.) > >Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on this right away before >it gets out of hand. > >Please write and call anybody you think can help. > >Tom Gummo >Apple Valley, CA >Harmon Rocket-II > >do not archive > ><http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html>http://mysite.verizon.net/t. gummo/index.html > > >__________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus >signature database 3375 (20080821) __________ > >The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. > =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 10:25:49 AM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
    Tom Gummo wrote: > Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash > > > I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot > and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas. > It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight > time. I went on the Internet to find a little more info. I was > shocked to read the comments of the airport director. Aero-News reported Saturday morning the following: "FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said the plane crashed at 0628 local time Friday, shortly after takeoff from North Las Vegas Airport (VGT). The pilot radioed mayday to the VGT before the plane went down, telling controllers he was unable to gain altitude. The impact sparked a fire, that emergency crews were able to quickly extinguish. Gregor told The Seattle Times the accident aircraft was approved by the FAA in 2002, and was owned by a Las Vegas resident." If this report is factual it sounds like the plane had been in service for quite some time. Sam Buchanan


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    Time: 10:56:34 AM PST US
    Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
    From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    Many would be surprised at the high number of previously owned and built aircraft, now flown by second or third owners(Non Builders) during the first few hours of their familiarization with the aircraft. We all want the ability to sell our OBAM aircraft. We give little consideration to the individual purchasing it or their ability to fly without future incident. Just think how the original builder must now feel. The airport spokesman's bigoted and narrowly focused attitude towards "His Airport" will soon be conditioned by the reality of the millions in FAA dollars that have been invested into the public's right to have operational access. It is all too familiar a narrative. Commercial Air Carrier operations should take authority over the public's access. John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:23 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash Tom Gummo wrote: > Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash > > > I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot > and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas. > It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight > time. I went on the Internet to find a little more info. I was > shocked to read the comments of the airport director. Aero-News reported Saturday morning the following: "FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said the plane crashed at 0628 local time Friday, shortly after takeoff from North Las Vegas Airport (VGT). The pilot radioed mayday to the VGT before the plane went down, telling controllers he was unable to gain altitude. The impact sparked a fire, that emergency crews were able to quickly extinguish. Gregor told The Seattle Times the accident aircraft was approved by the FAA in 2002, and was owned by a Las Vegas resident." If this report is factual it sounds like the plane had been in service for quite some time. Sam Buchanan


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    Time: 11:03:57 AM PST US
    Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
    From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    NASAO members seldom seek higher office. They become complacent with their government paycheck, perks and feeling of superiority. Your'e on for the beer in any event. www.nasao.org John Cox PS - Don't ask me how I know about this group. From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RV Builder (Michael Sausen) Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:08 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash AOPA and EAA are both well aware of antics in Las Vegas. This isn't the first time they've tried to shut down airspace to aircraft of a specific designation. A beer says this guy has his eye on public office down the road. http://www.aopa.org/whatsnew/newsitems/2006/060118experimental.html Michael Sausen RV-10 #352 Finishing From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Tom Gummo Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 11:05 PM Subject: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas. It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight time. I went on the Internet to find a little more info. I was shocked to read the comments of the airport director. Quote from the website: http://www.lasvegasnow.com/Global/story.asp?S=8883721&nav=168Ye9lq According to Airport Director Randall Walker, this incident is the worst air accident off the airport grounds in Las Vegas history. Now for the first time, Walker is publicly calling for more local control over what aircraft come in and out of airports. Walker says the airport has no control over what aircraft fly in and out -- there hasn't even been a risk assessment for what kind of risks these experimental aircraft may pose. But he says he is going to start lobbying to get Congress to change the law and allow airports to have more control. But again, Randall Walker says that these kinds of aircraft do not belong in urban areas. >From AirNav website: Ownership: Publicly-owned Owner: CLARK COUNTY 2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030 Phone 702-261-3802 Manager: DOUG MCNEELEY 2730 AIRPORT DR SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89030 Phone 702-261-3800 MGR. ALSO 702-261-3802. AL KRISCH, MANAGEMENT ANALYST II 702.261.3804 702.647.7508 (FAX) NORTH LAS VEGAS AIRPORT 2730 AIRPORT DRIVE, SUITE 101 NORTH LAS VEGAS, NV 89032 >From website: http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker <http://www.aci-na.org/about/leadership_walker> Prior to his appointment as the director of aviation, Walker was assistant county manager for Clark County from 1996 to 1997. As assistant county manager, he oversaw 12 county departments and provided fiscal oversight for District Court, Justice Court, and all of Clark County's elected officials. In 1995, Walker served as director of the county's Department of Finance. ************************************************************************ ************************************ I read the complete bio and there was no indication of any aviation experience. My first question is why do ANTI-AVIATION types, who are not pilots and have no flying experience, rise up to get airport director jobs? For example, the new director of airports for San Bernardino County, CA is not a pilot. My info maybe old, but the Navy had a rule that to command an aircraft carrier, you had to be a pilot. Might make a good rule for airport managers. (Sour grapes alert.) I might have a chip on my shoulder about this. As the manager of Apple Valley, CA (KAPV) airport job because available, I was not given a interview as I didn't have a BA business degree. My Masters Degree in Computer Science and a BS in Chemistry of course, didn't prepare me to run a airport. However, I also have twenty years of military experience as a flight safety officer and Supervisor of Flying. (Enough sour grapes.) Seems to me, we need to get EAA and AOPA on this right away before it gets out of hand. Please write and call anybody you think can help. Tom Gummo Apple Valley, CA Harmon Rocket-II do not archive http://mysite.verizon.net/t.gummo/index.html __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3375 (20080821) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ; - The RV-List Email Forumsp; --> http://www.matronics.cobsp; - MATRONICS WEB FORUMShref="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com <http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List> = -Matt Dralle, List Admin. http://www.matronics.com/con


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    Time: 03:42:43 PM PST US
    From: "richard sipp" <rsipp@earthlink.net>
    Subject: Re: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash
    John: I have to take exception to your comment "We give little consideration to the individual...... When I sold my 4 that was my primary consideration; would the buyer be able to handle the airplane successfully. I only agreed to sell the airplane to the eventual buyer (who had limited experience) after being re-assured by his brother, a very experienced high performance pilot that he would fly with his brother and not let him solo the airplane until he was ready. I think all of us who sell or are thinking of selling an airplane we have built worry a great deal about the ability of the buyer to successfully operate the airplane because we want the buyer to be as happy with the airplane as we were and of course the fear of a liability issue if the worst were to happen. Dick Sipp N110DV 40065 flying ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com> Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 1:53 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash > > Many would be surprised at the high number of previously owned and built > aircraft, now flown by second or third owners(Non Builders) during the > first few hours of their familiarization with the aircraft. > > We all want the ability to sell our OBAM aircraft. We give little > consideration to the individual purchasing it or their ability to fly > without future incident. Just think how the original builder must now > feel. > > The airport spokesman's bigoted and narrowly focused attitude towards > "His Airport" will soon be conditioned by the reality of the millions in > FAA dollars that have been invested into the public's right to have > operational access. It is all too familiar a narrative. Commercial Air > Carrier operations should take authority over the public's access. > > John Cox > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan > Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 10:23 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash > > > Tom Gummo wrote: >> Subject: Las Vegas Aircraft Crash >> >> >> I heard about a Velocity crashing into a house and killing the pilot >> and two people in the house while trying to land at North Las Vegas. >> It was the flight test period as the plane only had 5 hours of flight >> time. I went on the Internet to find a little more info. I was >> shocked to read the comments of the airport director. > > > Aero-News reported Saturday morning the following: > > "FAA spokesman Ian Gregor said the plane crashed at 0628 local time > Friday, shortly after takeoff from North Las Vegas Airport (VGT). The > pilot radioed mayday to the VGT before the plane went down, telling > controllers he was unable to gain altitude. > > The impact sparked a fire, that emergency crews were able to quickly > extinguish. > > Gregor told The Seattle Times the accident aircraft was approved by the > FAA in 2002, and was owned by a Las Vegas resident." > > > If this report is factual it sounds like the plane had been in service > for quite some time. > > Sam Buchanan > > >


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    Time: 04:55:35 PM PST US
    From: Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>
    Subject: Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing...
    Dear Listers, Backing into the garage today I noticed the elevator skin bowing at the trailing edge in the review mirror because of the way the light was hitting it. Basically what the deal is I think is that I bent the trailing edge of the elevators more than necessary. So, when I pulled the leading edge apart to fit it over the spar, I now have a concave bowing effect between some of the bays. Van's goes to great lengths in the manual to make sure that bend the elevator trailing edges *enough*, but doesn't make mention of what is "too much". The radius of the trailing edge is still within spec and there is no cracking or stress marks. Its just bent too much and looks like of stupid. Somehow, I did the rudder perfectly, but both elevators suffer from the effect. I've included some pictures below. What the common thought on this issue? Are the safety/flutter issues with over-bending as I have done? What to do...? Thanks! Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 RV-8 Fuse/Wing QB Kit Delivery Next Week! (Ordered May 20 2008)


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    Time: 07:14:52 PM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Elevator Skin Trailing Edge Bowing...
    Matt Dralle wrote: > > Dear Listers, > > Backing into the garage today I noticed the elevator skin bowing at > the trailing edge in the review mirror because of the way the light > was hitting it. Basically what the deal is I think is that I bent the > trailing edge of the elevators more than necessary. So, when I pulled > the leading edge apart to fit it over the spar, I now have a concave > bowing effect between some of the bays. Van's goes to great lengths > in the manual to make sure that bend the elevator trailing edges > *enough*, but doesn't make mention of what is "too much". The radius > of the trailing edge is still within spec and there is no cracking or > stress marks. Its just bent too much and looks like of stupid. > Somehow, I did the rudder perfectly, but both elevators suffer from > the effect. I've included some pictures below. > > What the common thought on this issue? Are the safety/flutter issues > with over-bending as I have done? What to do...? > > Thanks! > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 > RV-8 Fuse/Wing QB Kit Delivery Next Week! (Ordered May 20 2008) I'll bet that there are many flying that look worse. Do you have RTV in the bend? If yes, you might be stuck with what you've got. If not: If it really bothers you, try this (try on a test piece made from some scrap first). Hold a piece of wood against the trailing edge so that it spans most of one bay. Use a rubber mallet to drive the wood toward the trailing edge. Light blows at first, checking for movement. If you use rigid wood, take care to hit the center of the block so that the force is spread evenly. Light plywood (1/4" or 3/8") minimizes the risk of the wood's edge digging in & causing a dent. If you put the assembly on some foam rubber, it will reduce the risk of over-correcting (or bending something else) since it can move a bit when struck. Work along the edge with multiple blows & check often. I used this technique on an aileron when I over-bent trying to fix a heavy wing. Charlie




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