---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Wed 08/27/08: 19 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 04:06 AM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Bobby Hester) 2. 06:02 AM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/TBM) 3. 06:14 AM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (RICHARD MILLER) 4. 06:24 AM - Re: nylo-seal and "inserts" (Tim Bryan) 5. 06:29 AM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Tim Bryan) 6. 07:34 AM - Re: Elevator Skin "bowing" and Rudder "Oil Canning" (Trevor) 7. 11:23 AM - Composites for RV-10 (Dave Saylor) 8. 11:38 AM - Re: Composites for RV-10 (John Jessen) 9. 12:13 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (RICHARD MILLER) 10. 12:56 PM - Re: "ice-box" avionics cooling fan (Chuck Jensen) 11. 01:14 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (John Fasching) 12. 03:03 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Bobby Hester) 13. 03:47 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (RICHARD MILLER) 14. 04:09 PM - RV-10 Composite Class Real Dates Nov 15 & 16 (Dave Saylor) 15. 05:07 PM - Re: Composites for RV-10 (Dave Saylor) 16. 05:16 PM - Builder Available! (Jack Sparling) 17. 07:29 PM - Re: "ice-box" avionics cooling fan (tom sargent) 18. 09:13 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Fiveonepw@aol.com) 19. 09:52 PM - dual brakes vs. single (tom sargent) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 04:06:30 AM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up Well during my Part 65 A&P course last week, one of the question was when does a Mag get rebuilt? The answer was during the engine rebuild. I di learn how to take it all apart and change/set the points and set the e-gap (an internal setting) and put it back together and set the timeing. ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: > Mojo (She's a good girl!) is approaching her 500-hour check-up and > I've been trying to determine the maintenance needs for her Slick 4370 > & 4371 magnetos. Research has led to a lot of info regarding HOW to > do lots of stuff, but not necessarily what NEEDS to be done regarding > checking points, rebuild etc. Her timing has always been spot-on, but > I'm concerned about making sure she stays in perfect health. > > Advice? Links? > > Mark, N51PW, E3D, OSHBL, S&FBMH, SERFIGC etc... > http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's only a deal if it's where /you/ want to go. Find your travel deal > *here* > . > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:02:12 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up From: "George, Neal E Capt USAF ACC 605 TES/TBM" ...and (if memory serves) Slick has a Mandatory Service Bulletin that stipulates 400-Hr rebuild. If one experiences an engine stoppage, and the overhaul has not been accomplished, I would bet the insurance company won't pay. neal ---- Well during my Part 65 A&P course last week, one of the question was when does a Mag get rebuilt? The answer was during the engine rebuild. I di learn how to take it all apart and change/set the points and set the e-gap (an internal setting) and put it back together and set the timeing. ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: Mojo (She's a good girl!) is approaching her 500-hour check-up and I've been trying to determine the maintenance needs for her Slick 4370 & 4371 magnetos. Research has led to a lot of info regarding HOW to do lots of stuff, but not necessarily what NEEDS to be done regarding checking points, rebuild etc. Her timing has always been spot-on, but I'm concerned about making sure she stays in perfect health. Advice? Links? Mark, N51PW, E3D, OSHBL, S&FBMH, SERFIGC etc... http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/ ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:14:54 AM PST US From: RICHARD MILLER Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up slick mags 500 hr inspection. -at a minimum you should change the points and cam, relube,check the cond ensor inspect the distributor and change the brush. inspect the impluse coupling. and rotor bearings. - the problem with a slick is the cost of the parts and the bench check requi red after tear down makes them basically a throwaway mag. for a certified a ircraft at least. - rick --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up Mojo (She's a good girl!) is approaching her 500-hour check-up and I've bee n trying to determine the maintenance needs for her Slick 4370 & 4371 magne tos.- Research has led to a lot of info regarding HOW to do lots of stuff , but not necessarily what NEEDS to be done regarding checking points, rebu ild etc.- Her timing has always been spot-on, but I'm concerned about mak ing sure she stays in perfect health. - Advice?- Links? - Mark, N51PW, E3D, OSHBL, S&FBMH, SERFIGC etc... http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:32 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: nylo-seal and "inserts" If you are talking about brakes, then use them on the suction side. They may not be required, but they will allow you tighten the fittings enough to insure no leaks without concern for the tubing. Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TB over 100 hours now > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list- > server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of tom sargent > Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 10:41 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: nylo-seal and "inserts" > > > The spruce catalog says that the 259-N nylo-seal inserts are not > necessary when using the nylo-seal (nylon) tubing with the Nylo-seal > fittings, but are to be used with polyethelene tubing. Yet Van's > drawing #49 for my 6A shows them being used with the nylo-seal tubing > and people seem to always mention the inserts regardless of tubing > type. > Are the inserts really necessary if you use the right tubing? > > Thanks, > -- > Tom S., TV-6A. > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 06:29:56 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up Rick, Are you suggesting the mags should be thrown away after 500 hours? It isn't clear in your message. Thanks Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TB over 100 hours now From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD MILLER Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up slick mags 500 hr inspection. at a minimum you should change the points and cam, relube,check the condensor inspect the distributor and change the brush. inspect the impluse coupling. and rotor bearings. the problem with a slick is the cost of the parts and the bench check required after tear down makes them basically a throwaway mag. for a certified aircraft at least. rick --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up Mojo (She's a good girl!) is approaching her 500-hour check-up and I've been trying to determine the maintenance needs for her Slick 4370 & 4371 magnetos. Research has led to a lot of info regarding HOW to do lots of stuff, but not necessarily what NEEDS to be done regarding checking points, rebuild etc. Her timing has always been spot-on, but I'm concerned about making sure she stays in perfect health. Advice? Links? Mark, N51PW, E3D, OSHBL, S&FBMH, SERFIGC etc... http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/ _____ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:34:54 AM PST US From: "Trevor" Subject: Re: RV-List: Elevator Skin "bowing" and Rudder "Oil Canning" Yes I also had the exact same experience. Van's just shrugged their shoulders and asked how I riveted. I have found another builder with the same problem also one who was not aware of the "oil canning" until I pointed it out. All on the right! I think their jig is slightly out or else the batches were made at different times of the year where maybe temperature differences had a part to play. Before riveting, I un-clecoed the left skin and with the tension released, found the fit on the right to be perfect. I managed to cure it somewhat by attaching a bit of left over stiffner angle across 4 or so of the skin stiffeners (like a bridge) and glueing some foam blocks between this stffener angle and the skin to make it more rigid. Not perfect but at least the skin returns to normal after been "popped" Trevor RV-7 Cape Town ----- Original Message ----- From: "Garey Wittich" Sent: Monday, August 25, 2008 8:52 PM Subject: RV-List: Elevator Skin "bowing" and Rudder "Oil Canning" > > Matt: > > Thank you for your Matronic Web Site - GREAT help !!! > > I have no experience with your "bowing" problem. > > Do have a question for you about "Oil Canning" of the Rudder Skin and did > you have the same problem ?? > > It occurs ONLY on the "right side" of the Rudder Skin: If I press down on > the Rudder Skin between Stiffener 1 and 2, it stays DOWN and between > Stiffener 2 and 3 the Skin pops UP and stays popped UP. Pressing down > between Stiffener 2 and 3 (Skin stays down) and the Skin between Stiffener > 1 and 2 pops up and stays that way. Acts like the Skin is stretched. Was > VERY carefull with the Skin so as not to damage it during construction. > > Not sure if this will effect flight characteristics or is a common problem > with other builders or can be a future fatigue problem. Anybody have any > experience or ideas or knowledge about this ????? > > > Thanks, Garey Wittich Santa Monica, CA > > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 11:23:00 AM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RV-List: Composites for RV-10 AirCrafters will be holding another workshop for composites on RV-10s on the weekend of November 18 and 19, 2008. The class will concentrate on RV-10s but is also applicable to other RVs and as an intro to other composite kitplanes. This course will provide an overview of the composite parts and techniques used on Van's Aircraft RV-10 kits. We will focus on correct materials and processes, fitting the composite top and doors, cowl, spinner, fairings, and other composite parts. You will recieve hands-on training to identify and use all necessary materials. Examples of completed and in-process assemblies will be available to view. We will be fitting and installing a cabin top. Weather permitting, we'll be giving RV-10 demo flights to as many interested parties as possible--indicate when you sign up if you're interested, first come, first served, no additional charge. Who: Harold Bunyi and Dave Saylor. Harold holds a BS in Aeronautical Engineering and built kitplane parts in the Phillipines for many years. He has worked at AirCrafters for 6 years and spends most of his day working with composites. I started working with composite kitplanes in 1998. I am an A&P/IA, and I have finished my personal RV-10 project, along with many other composite and aluminum projects. I recieved my BS in Aeronautics from San Jose State. When: November 18 & 19, 2008 8AM-4PM Saturday 8AM-3PM Sunday Where: AirCrafters LLC Watsonville Airport (KWVI) 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 www.AirCraftersLLC.com Class size is limited to 15 builders Cost for the course is $350 payable by cash, check or credit card. Please call or email to register. A 50% deposit is required before November 10. Balance due before class starts. Nearest major airport is San Jose International. 45 minute drive to KWVI. Best Lodging is Watsonville Comfort Inn: 831-728-2300. Ask for the airport discount. Other lodging is available nearby. Aircraft parking is available at AirCrafters. Please call if we can help with logistics. Many thanks for your interest, Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com **************************************************************************** **************************** ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 11:38:09 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Composites for RV-10 From: John Jessen Dave, this time I think I can make the class. Please sign me up. I'll send a check. To whom do I make it out? My best, John Jessen _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: RV-List: Composites for RV-10 AirCrafters will be holding another workshop for composites on RV-10s on the weekend of November 18 and 19, 2008. The class will concentrate on RV-10s but is also applicable to other RVs and as an intro to other composite kitplanes. This course will provide an overview of the composite parts and techniques used on Van's Aircraft RV-10 kits. We will focus on correct materials and processes, fitting the composite top and doors, cowl, spinner, fairings, and other composite parts. You will recieve hands-on training to identify and use all necessary materials. Examples of completed and in-process assemblies will be available to view. We will be fitting and installing a cabin top. Weather permitting, we'll be giving RV-10 demo flights to as many interested parties as possible--indicate when you sign up if you're interested, first come, first served, no additional charge. Who: Harold Bunyi and Dave Saylor. Harold holds a BS in Aeronautical Engineering and built kitplane parts in the Phillipines for many years. He has worked at AirCrafters for 6 years and spends most of his day working with composites. I started working with composite kitplanes in 1998. I am an A&P/IA, and I have finished my personal RV-10 project, along with many other composite and aluminum projects. I recieved my BS in Aeronautics from San Jose State. When: November 18 & 19, 2008 8AM-4PM Saturday 8AM-3PM Sunday Where: AirCrafters LLC Watsonville Airport (KWVI) 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 www.AirCraftersLLC.com Class size is limited to 15 builders Cost for the course is $350 payable by cash, check or credit card. Please call or email to register. A 50% deposit is required before November 10. Balance due before class starts. Nearest major airport is San Jose International. 45 minute drive to KWVI. Best Lodging is Watsonville Comfort Inn: 831-728-2300. Ask for the airport discount. Other lodging is available nearby. Aircraft parking is available at AirCrafters. Please call if we can help with logistics. Many thanks for your interest, Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com **************************************************************************** **************************** ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:13:47 PM PST US From: RICHARD MILLER Subject: RE: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up tim -with the replacment cost of 514/577$ repectively and the overhaul parts only cost of 887/1189$. for overhaul these things ar e throwaway. now for the five hundred inspection the t100 tooling kit is 43 2 dollars. the only time you need the full kit is for twin points so say 50 $ in special tools - next most people will charge about 200 to 250$ to go through one of these p lus what ever parts are required.so lets say you just want to give it tune up points cap condensor and rotor- = 415 dollars worth of parts alone s o with labor you already 100.00$ over new cost. what most of my customers d ue is inspect at every hundred/annual and throwaway at 750 or at any signs of damage. - point kit- 40.00 condensor 97.00 bearings 126.00 bearing cap 64.00 coil 266 impluse coupling 302.00 rotor gear 8.00 oil seal 8.00 distributor block and gear 278.00 - since an impluse coupling failure means a very expensive engine overhaul it is your call about inspect or replace at the five hundred - - let me tell you a recent story about a set of slicks on an io-520 at about 420 hr on the mags the owner complained to another shop that he ha d high egts on climb out. for the next eighty hours they fiddle fart around with the bird including a full fuel system overhaul for the price of 7500. 00$ still no luck fixing it. at 510 on the mags the owner experiences a twi n mag failure a barely limps it to the field. after both mags are replace t he egt problem goes away. eighty hours later the right mags burns up, then started the saga of the sb-03. inspected the new mag after 10 hrs run found out that it was already eating the brush and the left had not been built r ight from the factory, excessive clearance on the coil tab, replace the lef t mag. so in 600 hrs we have gone through 4 mags and had three in flight fa ilures. changed the brushes to the aero assy. brush to stop the inspections . and now plan to only open then at every annual. if you fly with slicks an d especially if you fly high open them up every annual. - rick a+p, i/a --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Tim Bryan wrote: From: Tim Bryan Subject: RE: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up Rick, - Are you suggesting the mags should be thrown away after 500 hours?- It is n=A2t clear in your message. Thanks - Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TB-over 100 hours now From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of RICHARD MILLER Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:14 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up - slick mags 500 hr inspection. -at a minimum you should change the points and cam, relube,check the cond ensor inspect the distributor and change the brush. inspect the impluse coupling. and rotor bearings. - the problem with a slick is the cost of the parts and the bench check requi red after tear down makes them basically a throwaway mag. for a certified a ircraft at least. - rick --- On Tue, 8/26/08, Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up Mojo (She's a good girl!) is approaching her 500-hour check-up and I've bee n trying to determine the maintenance needs for her Slick 4370 & 4371 magne tos.- Research has led to a lot of info regarding HOW to do lots of stuff , but not necessarily what NEEDS to be done regarding checking points, rebu ild etc.- Her timing has always been spot-on, but I'm concerned about mak ing sure she stays in perfect health. - Advice?- Links? - Mark, N51PW, E3D, OSHBL, S&FBMH, SERFIGC etc... http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. - - - - -http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronic s.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:18 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: "ice-box" avionics cooling fan From: "Chuck Jensen" Tom, Take a hair dryer, or even better, a shrink tube heater/blower, and heat up the hose until its very hot to the touch. This will make the end pliable and stretch over the hose nipple a little easier. When it cools, it'll be on for good. Becareful if you used petroleum based lubricates, depending on hose type, it can eventually degrade the hose. Chuck Jensen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of tom sargent Sent: Tuesday, August 26, 2008 11:19 PM Subject: RV-List: "ice-box" avionics cooling fan I bought an "Ice-Box" avionics cooling fan from spruce. The FN-200 model has 3 output ports and seems to blow a lot of air for not much current. The output tubes are about 3/4" long and have a diameter that is 0.025" LARGER than 5/8". You're supposed to push a 5/8" CAT tube over these outlets. The 5/8" CAT tube I bought does NOT want to go over those tubes. It's not very stretchy stuff. The fan manufacturer tells me to push hard and "screw" the tube on. Lubricants don't seem to help. It's really hard to do. I succeeded with one tube. Ruined the second one. The prospect of having to do this while laying under the instrument panel is awful. Has any one dealt with this fan product? Is there some secret to getting the tube to go over the outlets or is there some other type of tubing that I can use. I don't like vinyl tubing - it ages fast and makes bad chemicals when it burns. There's some polyethylene tube that might work. Thanks for any ideas. -- tom s., RV-6A. ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 01:14:15 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up At those prices why not throw away the mags, put in Lightspeed electronic units and be done with it? ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:03:12 PM PST US From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up Well Mark, looks like you know exactly what to do now! Ha ha ha! Unbelievable! I do not have a maintenance manual for the slick mags but will try to get one from a buddy soon. I am sure you would still like to know what the manual says is due and when. ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: > Mojo (She's a good girl!) is approaching her 500-hour check-up and > I've been trying to determine the maintenance needs for her Slick 4370 > & 4371 magnetos. Research has led to a lot of info regarding HOW to > do lots of stuff, but not necessarily what NEEDS to be done regarding > checking points, rebuild etc. Her timing has always been spot-on, but > I'm concerned about making sure she stays in perfect health. > > Advice? Links? > > Mark, N51PW, E3D, OSHBL, S&FBMH, SERFIGC etc... > http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's only a deal if it's where /you/ want to go. Find your travel deal > *here* > . > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:47:16 PM PST US From: RICHARD MILLER Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up HERE IS THE MANUAL RICK --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Bobby Hester wrote: From: Bobby Hester Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up Well Mark, looks like you know exactly what to do now!- Ha ha ha! Unbelievable! I do not have a maintenance manual for the slick mags but wil l try to get one from a buddy soon. I am sure you would still like to know what the manual says is due and when. ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: Mojo (She's a good girl!) is approaching her 500-hour check-up and I've bee n trying to determine the maintenance needs for her Slick 4370 & 4371 magne tos.- Research has led to a lot of info regarding HOW to do lots of stuff , but not necessarily what NEEDS to be done regarding checking points, rebu ild etc.- Her timing has always been spot-on, but I'm concerned about mak ing sure she stays in perfect health. - Advice?- Links? - Mark, N51PW, E3D, OSHBL, S&FBMH, SERFIGC etc... http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/ It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.c om/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/co ntribution =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 04:09:22 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RV-List: RV-10 Composite Class Real Dates Nov 15 & 16 OK, let's make that November 15 and 16, which should really be a Saturday and Sunday. Just to be complete: This course will provide an overview of the composite parts and techniques used on Van's Aircraft RV-10 kits. We will focus on correct materials and processes, fitting the composite top and doors, cowl, spinner, fairings, and other composite parts. You will recieve hands-on training to identify and use all necessary materials. Examples of completed and in-process assemblies will be available to view. We will be fitting and installing a cabin top. Weather permitting, we'll be giving RV-10 demo flights to as many interested parties as possible--indicate when you sign up if you're interested, first come, first served, no additional charge. Who: Harold Bunyi and Dave Saylor. Harold holds a BS in Aeronautical Engineering and built kitplane parts in the Phillipines for many years. He has worked at AirCrafters for 6 years and spends most of his day working with composites. I started working with composite kitplanes in 1998. I am an A&P/IA, and I have finished my personal RV-10 project, along with many other composite and aluminum projects. I recieved my BS in Aeronautics from San Jose State. When: November 15 & 16, 2008 8AM-4PM Saturday 8AM-3PM Sunday Where: AirCrafters LLC Watsonville Airport (KWVI) 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 www.AirCraftersLLC.com Class size is limited to 15 builders Cost for the course is $350 payable by cash, check or credit card. Please call or email to register. A 50% deposit is required before November 7. Balance due before class starts. Nearest major airport is San Jose International. 45 minute drive to KWVI. Best Lodging is Watsonville Comfort Inn: 831-728-2300. Ask for the airport discount. Other lodging is available nearby. Aircraft parking is available at AirCrafters. Please call if we can help with logistics. Many thanks for your interest, Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com **************************************************************************** **************************** ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 05:07:27 PM PST US From: "Dave Saylor" Subject: RE: RV-List: Composites for RV-10 Thanks, John. Did you see the "real" dates? Dave _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Jessen Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:38 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Composites for RV-10 Dave, this time I think I can make the class. Please sign me up. I'll send a check. To whom do I make it out? My best, John Jessen _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dave Saylor Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 11:21 AM Subject: RV-List: Composites for RV-10 AirCrafters will be holding another workshop for composites on RV-10s on the weekend of November 18 and 19, 2008. The class will concentrate on RV-10s but is also applicable to other RVs and as an intro to other composite kitplanes. This course will provide an overview of the composite parts and techniques used on Van's Aircraft RV-10 kits. We will focus on correct materials and processes, fitting the composite top and doors, cowl, spinner, fairings, and other composite parts. You will recieve hands-on training to identify and use all necessary materials. Examples of completed and in-process assemblies will be available to view. We will be fitting and installing a cabin top. Weather permitting, we'll be giving RV-10 demo flights to as many interested parties as possible--indicate when you sign up if you're interested, first come, first served, no additional charge. Who: Harold Bunyi and Dave Saylor. Harold holds a BS in Aeronautical Engineering and built kitplane parts in the Phillipines for many years. He has worked at AirCrafters for 6 years and spends most of his day working with composites. I started working with composite kitplanes in 1998. I am an A&P/IA, and I have finished my personal RV-10 project, along with many other composite and aluminum projects. I recieved my BS in Aeronautics from San Jose State. When: November 18 & 19, 2008 8AM-4PM Saturday 8AM-3PM Sunday Where: AirCrafters LLC Watsonville Airport (KWVI) 140 Aviation Way Watsonville, CA 95076 831-722-9141 www.AirCraftersLLC.com Class size is limited to 15 builders Cost for the course is $350 payable by cash, check or credit card. Please call or email to register. A 50% deposit is required before November 10. Balance due before class starts. Nearest major airport is San Jose International. 45 minute drive to KWVI. Best Lodging is Watsonville Comfort Inn: 831-728-2300. Ask for the airport discount. Other lodging is available nearby. Aircraft parking is available at AirCrafters. Please call if we can help with logistics. Many thanks for your interest, Dave Saylor 831-750-0284 CL www.AirCraftersLLC.com **************************************************************************** **************************** href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 05:16:02 PM PST US From: "Jack Sparling" Subject: RV-List: Builder Available! If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I will be available in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss your needs. All the best, Jack Sparling N5115Q 40487 210hrs. Crestwood, Kentucky Cell: (502) 262-6557 Jhs_61@yahoo.com N5115Q.blogspot.com ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 07:29:17 PM PST US From: tom sargent Subject: Re: RV-List: "ice-box" avionics cooling fan Thanks for the responses on this. Bob Perkins suggestion of clipping out the spiral wire in the last 1/2" of the CAT tube seems to work pretty good. An old A&P I know suggested that also. It's a litle tricky since the wire is on the inside of the tube, but you can do it. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A. ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:13:52 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up In a message dated 8/27/2008 2:15:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rickpegser@yahoo.com writes: with the replacment cost of 514/577$ repectively Nick- I'm not asking for horror stories or conjecture- I simply want to know what I NEED to examine when I perform this next annual. The idea that these are "throwaway" components after 500 hours of faithful service with no attention whatsoever kind of speaks to their reliability and in my case at least, debunks your assertion. Offering someone's component pricelist is informative, but I have a difficult time believing that EVERY component you list absolutely needs replacement. This isn't about the FAA being forced to issue an AD because some idiot deliberately pushed his hardware way beyond its limits, but rather what I need to do to ensure that my carefully maintained and respectfully operated machine continues to function as designed. Please bear in mind that these mags are installed on an experimental aircraft- I do NOT operate under threat of the Almighty AD, but rather the assurance that the aircraft performs as expected by ME, the builder, and holder of the Repairman Certificate for same... So........ The original query stands: I've got these two little black chunks of magneto I'd just LOVE to thoroughly investigate to make damn sure they will continue to do what they do. Specifically WHAT should I do? Mark (thanks to all who have chimed in here!) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047) ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:52:07 PM PST US From: tom sargent Subject: RV-List: dual brakes vs. single I talked with Ken at Van's today about problems routing brake lines for my dual brakes (my own fault mostly, for the way I organized things on the firewall). He observed that he thinks dual brakes aren't worth it. It's a few pounds of weight that almost never gives any benefit. He says he's taking the dual brakes out of his plane soon. Do those of you who have dual brakes ever really use the right side? I thought it would be helpful if I ever took a CFI up with me. However, removing them now would greatly simplify my brake routing problems. I've just about decided to tear out the right side. Thanks for any opions. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.