RV-List Digest Archive

Thu 08/28/08


Total Messages Posted: 41



Today's Message Index:
----------------------
 
     1. 12:08 AM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (RICHARD MILLER)
     2. 02:04 AM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (RICHARD MILLER)
     3. 04:20 AM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Bobby Hester)
     4. 05:14 AM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Bill Boyd)
     5. 05:44 AM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Sam Buchanan)
     6. 05:50 AM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Sam Buchanan)
     7. 06:12 AM - Re: Builder Available! (Rvbuilder1@aol.com)
     8. 08:03 AM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Bill Boyd)
     9. 08:17 AM - Re: Effects of Wing Loading (Bob)
    10. 08:29 AM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Bob)
    11. 08:41 AM - Re: Effects of Wing Loading (Tomasz Korwel)
    12. 08:46 AM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Mike Divan)
    13. 08:47 AM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Bill Boyd)
    14. 08:50 AM - Re: Effects of Wing Loading (Bill Boyd)
    15. 09:03 AM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Mike Divan)
    16. 10:15 AM - Re: Effects of Wing Loading (Tracy Crook)
    17. 11:37 AM - Re: Builder Available! (Brian Meyette)
    18. 01:10 PM - Re: Builder Available! (smitty@smittysrv.com)
    19. 01:34 PM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Charlie England)
    20. 01:34 PM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Ron Lee)
    21. 03:41 PM - Re: Builder Available! (Mike Robertson)
    22. 04:16 PM - Re: Builder Available! (John Danielson)
    23. 04:42 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Kelly McMullen)
    24. 04:42 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (wskimike)
    25. 04:43 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (wskimike)
    26. 04:49 PM - Re: Builder Available! (John Cox)
    27. 04:52 PM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (wskimike)
    28. 05:04 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Scott)
    29. 05:36 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
    30. 05:53 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Darrell Reiley)
    31. 06:34 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
    32. 06:46 PM - Re: Builder Available! (Kyrilian Dyer)
    33. 06:55 PM - Re: Builder Available! (Sam Buchanan)
    34. 07:05 PM - Re: Builder Available! (Sam Buchanan)
    35. 07:32 PM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Jerry Springer)
    36. 07:52 PM - Re: Builder Available! (Sam Buchanan)
    37. 08:16 PM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Kelly McMullen)
    38. 09:03 PM - Re: Builder Available! (Ralph Finch)
    39. 09:12 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
    40. 09:51 PM - Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up (Fiveonepw@aol.com)
    41. 10:09 PM - Re: dual brakes vs. single (Kelly McMullen)
 
 
 


Message 1


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 12:08:47 AM PST US
    From: RICHARD MILLER <rickpegser@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    mark -it is rick not nick the first post i told you what to look for. - i have posted the manual and told you what we do for this inspection. if i have to put it in big letters i will.slick mags are junk. given half a chan ce they will kill you. ask any mag shop what they think about them. they ar e plastic pieces of crap and i would not have them on my aircraft. yes i fl y slicks only because some of my customers have them. this is not conjectur e, this is the truth. slick got a place in the industry with the throwaway mag originally, and stayed there when bendix had the ad problem. if you don 't have the money to throw them away, then plan on going thru them. but if you have one problem you will have spent more then a new mag. by the way if the mag impluse coupling comes apart they will not cover any damages. sinc e they did not do the inspection. and the price list was slicks not mine or anybodyelse . the list i included was for all of the items that slick requ ires to be replaced at overhaul with is not to exceed the tbo of the engine. From field experience, if you get more then 1000 hr from a slick y ou are looking-for an off field landing. this-did not include the recen t cam service bulletin or the brush bulletin. they have had problems with t he brush for the last four years, so take your chances. it is your bird. - if you fly slick mags cost is about 2.50$ per flight hour, to replace at 50 0. bendix with original cost adjustment is about the same. let me guess tha t is probably how slick figure out thier priceing? book it and budget it. a nd somebody needs to telll me why a coil costs 60% of the cost of a new mag . - rick --- On Wed, 8/27/08, Fiveonepw@aol.com <Fiveonepw@aol.com> wrote: From: Fiveonepw@aol.com <Fiveonepw@aol.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up In a message dated 8/27/2008 2:15:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, rickpegser @yahoo.com writes: with the replacment cost of 514/577$ repectively Nick- - I'm not asking for horror stories or conjecture- I simply want to know what I NEED to examine when I perform this next annual.- The idea that these are "throwaway" components after 500 hours of faithful service with no atte ntion whatsoever kind of speaks to their reliability-and in my case at le ast, debunks your assertion.- Offering someone's component pricelist is i nformative, but I have a difficult time believing that EVERY component you list absolutely needs replacement.- This isn't about the FAA being forced to issue an AD because some idiot deliberately pushed his hardware way bey ond its limits, but rather what I need to do to ensure that my carefully ma intained and respectfully operated-machine continues to function as desig ned. - Please bear in mind that these mags are installed on an experimental aircra ft- I do NOT operate under threat of the Almighty AD, but rather the assura nce that the aircraft performs as expected by ME, the builder, and holder o f the Repairman Certificate for same... - So........ - The original query stands:- I've got these two little black chunks of mag neto I'd just LOVE to thoroughly investigate to make damn sure they will co ntinue to do what they do. - Specifically WHAT should I do? - Mark- (thanks to all who have chimed in here!) It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. =0A=0A=0A


    Message 2


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 02:04:26 AM PST US
    From: RICHARD MILLER <rickpegser@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    Mark when you ask for advice, and someone with 25 yrs of experiance, offers you it for free, and gives you the manual. i would suggest that you leave the high horse at home. while you have managed to build one airplane from a kit, that means you have built one. while the people out in the real world who do this on a daily basis, might have a little better understanding of what the current problems are.and an understanding of the difficulties involved. they might have even played with the mags on more then one engine. so while you seem to think that you know everything about your engine you still are asking others, how to fix it. i find this to be strange since if you knew how to fix the problem why are you asking us? my suggestion is that you go to your local autozone, and ask them how to fix a slick mag, since i am sure that they have the training that you are looking for. since the local autozone types only know to grab thier ass with both hands when they have no idea how to fix the problem. you should get the answer that you are looking for. bend over and pray. and with a good bolt of lightening in the right area the answer might come to you. rick


    Message 3


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:20:12 AM PST US
    From: Bobby Hester <bobbyhester@newwavecomm.net>
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    Can you tell me where the manual is posted? ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ RICHARD MILLER wrote: > mark > it is rick not nick > the first post i told you what to look for. > > i have posted the manual and told you what we do for this inspection. > if i have to put it in big letters i will.*_slick mags are junk. given > half a chance they will kill you._**_ _*ask any mag shop what they > think about them. they are plastic pieces of crap and i would not have > them on my aircraft. yes i fly slicks only because some of my > customers have them. this is not conjecture, this is the truth. slick > got a place in the industry with the throwaway mag originally, and > stayed there when bendix had the ad problem. if you don't have the > money to throw them away, then plan on going thru them. but if you > have one problem you will have spent more then a new mag. by the way > if the mag impluse coupling comes apart they will not cover any > damages. since they did not do the inspection. and the price list was > slicks not mine or anybodyelse . the list i included was for all of > the items that slick requires to be replaced at overhaul with is not > to exceed the tbo of the engine. From field experience, if you get > more then 1000 hr from a slick you are looking for an off field > landing. this did not include the recent cam service bulletin or the > brush bulletin. they have had problems with the brush for the last > four years, so take your chances. it is your bird. > > if you fly slick mags cost is about 2.50$ per flight hour, to replace > at 500. bendix with original cost adjustment is about the same. let me > guess that is probably how slick figure out thier priceing? book it > and budget it. and somebody needs to telll me why a coil costs 60% of > the cost of a new mag. > > rick > > > --- On *Wed, 8/27/08, Fiveonepw@aol.com /<Fiveonepw@aol.com>/* wrote: > > From: Fiveonepw@aol.com <Fiveonepw@aol.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, August 27, 2008, 9:12 PM > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 2:15:27 P.M. Central Daylight Time, > rickpegser@yahoo.com writes: > > with the replacment cost of 514/577$ repectively > > Nick- > > I'm not asking for horror stories or conjecture- I simply want to > know what I NEED to examine when I perform this next annual. The > idea that these are "throwaway" components after 500 hours of > faithful service with no attention whatsoever kind of speaks to > their reliability and in my case at least, debunks your > assertion. Offering someone's component pricelist is informative, > but I have a difficult time believing that EVERY component you > list absolutely needs replacement. This isn't about the FAA being > forced to issue an AD because some idiot deliberately pushed his > hardware way beyond its limits, but rather what I need to do to > ensure that my carefully maintained and respectfully > operated machine continues to function as designed. > > Please bear in mind that these mags are installed on an > experimental aircraft- I do NOT operate under threat of the > Almighty AD, but rather the assurance that the aircraft performs > as expected by ME, the builder, and holder of the Repairman > Certificate for same... > > So........ > > The original query stands: I've got these two little black chunks > of magneto I'd just LOVE to thoroughly investigate to make damn > sure they will continue to do what they do. > > Specifically WHAT should I do? > > Mark (thanks to all who have chimed in here!) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > It's only a deal if it's where /you/ want to go. Find your travel > deal *here* > <http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047>. > > * > > > * > > > * > > > *


    Message 4


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:14:17 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    Removing my pax-side brakes is on my to-do list, Tom. Never used 'em once in 10 years flying. I have parking brake valve in case I ever need to hand prop (or just have pax sit on the left for the time being and hold brakes.) They add weight, expense (probably too late to recoup that) and they, alone, are the source of the only seepage in the whole system. Mine should be on ebay within a month :-) I don't think a CFI would be anxious about no brakes on his side in a nosewheel aircraft. -Bill Boyd RV-6A 710 hrs On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:51 AM, tom sargent <sarg314@comcast.net> wrote: > > I talked with Ken at Van's today about problems routing brake lines for my > dual brakes (my own fault mostly, for the way I organized things on the > firewall). He observed that he thinks dual brakes aren't worth it. It's a > few pounds of weight that almost never gives any benefit. He says he's > taking the dual brakes out of his plane soon. > > Do those of you who have dual brakes ever really use the right side? I > thought it would be helpful if I ever took a CFI up with me. However, > removing them now would greatly simplify my brake routing problems. I've > just about decided to tear out the right side. > > > Thanks for any opions. > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A. > > _= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS - > >


    Message 5


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:44:26 AM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    RICHARD MILLER wrote: > mark it is rick not nick the first post i told you what to look for. > > i have posted the manual and told you what we do for this inspection. > if i have to put it in big letters i will.slick mags are junk. given > half a chance they will kill you. ask any mag shop what they think > about them. they are plastic pieces of crap and i would not have them > on my aircraft. Rick, I appreciate you posting the Slick magneto manual, that is a very useful resource. However, you have repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, stated your disgust with Slick magnetos. In my opinion, your statement above completed the process of destroying any credibility you have with me, and I'm confident, with many other RVers. To state that Slick mags will "kill you" shows a lack of grounding in reality. I have no idea why you feel so strongly about this matter, but it is obvious your strong feelings have clouded any objectivity you may have about the mag issue. I had a long professional relationship with an A&P whom I deeply respected, and we discussed the longevity of the Slick mags on my *experimental* plane at the time we freshened them. We were able to replace points, cam, condenser, and bearings for about $250 per mag. The opinion of the A&Ps I've discussed Slick mags with is that yes, they do have a finite life span, and more than likely it is best to replace them if they cause problems after several hundred hours of service. But I have never heard a pro express the vitriol toward Slick mags that you continue to spew on this list. I respect your right to express your opinion, but personally, I put no stock in what you have expressed. Sam Buchanan


    Message 6


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:50:59 AM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    Bill Boyd wrote: > I don't think a CFI would be anxious about no brakes on his side in a > nosewheel aircraft. I would think a CFI would be much more concerned about RH brakes in a nosewheel aircraft than in a tailwheel plane. Brakes can be pretty important for steering an -A model but are only needed in a tailwheeler to avoid taxiing into the gas pump. :-) Sam Buchanan


    Message 7


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:12:43 AM PST US
    From: Rvbuilder1@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Builder Available!
    Jack I am building an RV-4 and have the emp complete and working on wings. I would like to know if you are interested in building my fuselage as I travel quite a bit and do not have the time to dedicate to it. If you are interested I would have the crate delivered to you from vans and pick it up when finished. I live in Fort Wayne, Indiana What would you charge to build the fuselage and possibly add the finishing kit to it as a separate price? Regards John Gould 260-417-3432 cell **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)


    Message 8


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:03:49 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    I was assuming the person getting a BFR or transition training would know how to taxi (!) but taking off and landing a tailwheel aircraft looks a bit more risky and complicated than same in a trigear. I've only done it a half-dozen times with an instructor, and that many more with Mike Segar, so I admit my opinion isn't worth much. Is it all rudder and no brakes until you get to the pump, in a taildragger? Shows you what I know... I was taking my own situation into account: need BFR every 2 years in a nosewheel RV that I have 700 hours in. CFI not likely to feel anxious about me having the only brakes in the aircraft. Pit me in a taildragger for a BFR and suddenly his comfort level is very different, right? -Bill On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 8:49 AM, Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net> wrote: > > Bill Boyd wrote: > > I don't think a CFI would be anxious about no brakes on his side in a >> nosewheel aircraft. >> > > I would think a CFI would be much more concerned about RH brakes in a > nosewheel aircraft than in a tailwheel plane. Brakes can be pretty important > for steering an -A model but are only needed in a tailwheeler to avoid > taxiing into the gas pump. :-) > > Sam Buchanan > >


    Message 9


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:17:37 AM PST US
    From: Bob <panamared5@brier.net>
    Subject: Effects of Wing Loading
    For the aerodynamic experts: Assuming that aircraft weight can be held constant what would be the effect of increasing the size of the wing or reducing wing loading. Or vice versa, reducing wing area increasing wing loading? Bob RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"


    Message 10


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:29:07 AM PST US
    From: Bob <panamared5@brier.net>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    >I was taking my own situation into account: need BFR every 2 years >in a nosewheel RV that I have 700 hours in. CFI not likely to feel >anxious about me having the only brakes in the aircraft. Pit me in >a taildragger for a BFR and suddenly his comfort level is very >different, right? I have a taildragger, no right hand brakes. When I do a Flight Review, there is no need for the CFI to ever touch the controls. The CFIs that I fly with are not even taildragger qualified. Speaking of a Flight Review, if all you have is a single seat aircraft such as the RV3, I assume one has to do the Flight Review in a different aircraft with at least two seats? Now if the two seat aircraft is an RV4/8, do you have to have any controls for the CFI at all? Bob RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"


    Message 11


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:41:17 AM PST US
    From: Tomasz Korwel <tomasz@korwel.net>
    Subject: Re: Effects of Wing Loading
    Tons of info here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wing_loading Tomasz Bob wrote: > > For the aerodynamic experts: > > > Assuming that aircraft weight can be held constant what would be the > effect of increasing the size of the wing or reducing wing loading. > Or vice versa, reducing wing area increasing wing loading? > > Bob > RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West" > >


    Message 12


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:46:59 AM PST US
    From: Mike Divan <n343fd@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    WHO is on there "high horse"? Mike D N64GH - RV6,flying :) SLOW 7 Builder :( EAA - 577486 FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! ----- Original Message ---- From: RICHARD MILLER <rickpegser@yahoo.com> Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 2:03:11 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up Mark when you ask for advice, and someone with 25 yrs of experiance, offers you it for free, and gives you the manual. i would suggest that you leave the high horse at home. while you have managed to build one airplane from a kit, that means you have built one. while the people out in the real world who do this on a daily basis, might have a little better understanding of what the current problems are. and an understanding of the difficulties involved. they might have even played with the mags on more then one engine. so while you seem to think that you know everything about your engine you still are asking others, how to fix it. i find this to be strange since if you knew how to fix the problem why are you asking us? my suggestion is that you go to your local autozone, and ask them how to fix a slick mag, since i am sure that they have the training that you are looking for. since the local autozone types only know to grab thier ass with both hands when they have no idea how to fix the problem. you should get the answer that you are looking for. bend over and pray. and with a good bolt of lightening in the right area the answer might come to you. rick


    Message 13


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:47:35 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    Speaking of which, I need a BFR, and would appreciate recopmmendations for someone local to the LWB area who is comfortable giving one in an RV. Thanks, Bob. -Bill B On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:25 PM, Bob <panamared5@brier.net> wrote: > > > I was taking my own situation into account: need BFR every 2 years in a >> nosewheel RV that I have 700 hours in. CFI not likely to feel anxious about >> me having the only brakes in the aircraft. Pit me in a taildragger for a >> BFR and suddenly his comfort level is very different, right? >> > > I have a taildragger, no right hand brakes. When I do a Flight Review, > there is no need for the CFI to ever touch the controls. The CFIs that I > fly with are not even taildragger qualified. > > Speaking of a Flight Review, if all you have is a single seat aircraft such > as the RV3, I assume one has to do the Flight Review in a different aircraft > with at least two seats? Now if the two seat aircraft is an RV4/8, do you > have to have any controls for the CFI at all? > > Bob > RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West" > >


    Message 14


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:50:22 AM PST US
    From: "Bill Boyd" <sportav8r@gmail.com>
    Subject: Re: Effects of Wing Loading
    I'll take a guess: lowered wing loading => better rate and angle of climb, lowered stall speed, at the cost of slower cruise and max speeds. How'd I do? -Bill B On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Bob <panamared5@brier.net> wrote: > > For the aerodynamic experts: > > > Assuming that aircraft weight can be held constant what would be the effect > of increasing the size of the wing or reducing wing loading. Or vice versa, > reducing wing area increasing wing loading? > > Bob > RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West" > >


    Message 15


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 09:03:15 AM PST US
    From: Mike Divan <n343fd@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    Tom I am not as experienced as 99% of the people here but I have had occasion to use my right side brakes several times. Twice when the wind was gusting to 30+ knots (I seem to remember it closer to 40 but that seems high. Any way it was out at KIFP). There was just no way to get out of the plane without having the wind pushing it all over the place (granted someone with more flight time might know a way). My wife got on the brakes and controls and presto problem solved ... well sort of the wind was still causing trouble but I got the plane tied down. Then twice on a hill she helped out. The hill I could have used my parking brake but in the wind I really needed someone on and off the brakes several times. Granted my plane is a not a 6A but I tend to think most CFI's would want access to the breaking system. Again I am no expert or authority in any way I have low time in an RV (closing in on 100 hr in my 6). Just letting ya know that I was glad I had my pax brakes on at least 2 occasions. Mike D N64GH - RV6 FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! ----- Original Message ---- From: tom sargent <sarg314@comcast.net> Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 9:51:07 PM Subject: RV-List: dual brakes vs. single I talked with Ken at Van's today about problems routing brake lines for my dual brakes (my own fault mostly, for the way I organized things on the firewall). He observed that he thinks dual brakes aren't worth it. It's a few pounds of weight that almost never gives any benefit. He says he's taking the dual brakes out of his plane soon. Do those of you who have dual brakes ever really use the right side? I thought it would be helpful if I ever took a CFI up with me. However, removing them now would greatly simplify my brake routing problems. I've just about decided to tear out the right side. Thanks for any opions. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A.


    Message 16


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:15:39 AM PST US
    From: "Tracy Crook" <tracy@rotaryaviation.com>
    Subject: Re: Effects of Wing Loading
    Hopefully I'll soon be able to give a real world example of what happens. I added 3 feet to the wingspan of my RV-8. Yes, G rating will go down but yank & bank is not the mission. Weight will be the same as an RV-8 equipped with an IO - 360 (actual engine is a 300 HP 3 rotor Mazda rotary). Doing final assembly of the plane now. The hoped for results are improved fuel economy (at any given speed) at altitudes above 16,000ft as a result of decreased span loading (higher aspect ratio) and decreased AOA at economy cruise power settings due to lower wing loading. Hopefully these improvements in induced drag will more than compensate for the increased skin drag. The reduced roll rate of the longer wing is what you give up. Conventional wisdom would say that the higher HP engine would burn more fuel and that is certainly true at maximum HP but my thinking is that a larger engine can be more efficient when making the same HP as the smaller engine. For example, at 200 HP the IO - 360 has to be run at best power mixture to make it's rated HP but the larger engine can run LOP at that power setting resulting in less fuel burn (better BSFC). The HP numbers get smaller at higher altitudes but the principle is the same. Tracy Crook On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:13 PM, Bob <panamared5@brier.net> wrote: > > For the aerodynamic experts: > > > Assuming that aircraft weight can be held constant what would be the effect > of increasing the size of the wing or reducing wing loading. Or vice versa, > reducing wing area increasing wing loading? > > Bob > RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West" > >


    Message 17


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 11:37:27 AM PST US
    From: "Brian Meyette" <bmeyette@gmail.com>
    Subject: Builder Available!
    isn't that contrary to the spirit, if not the letter, of the 51% builder rule? Nothing against you personally, and i dont say this with any antagoinstic meaning, but I understand that the current FAA reexamination of the 51% rule and possible tightening of restrictions on builders is due to the proliferation of "builders for hire". brian _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sparling Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: RV-List: Builder Available! If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I will be available in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss your needs. All the best, Jack Sparling N5115Q 40487 210hrs. Crestwood, Kentucky Cell: (502) 262-6557 Jhs_61@yahoo.com N5115Q.blogspot.com "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?RV-List "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG. 7:06 PM


    Message 18


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:10:02 PM PST US
    From: "smitty@smittysrv.com" <smitty@smittysrv.com>
    Subject: Builder Available!
    This EAA Article says it all: "Member Comments Reinforce EAAs Message: Enforce Existing 51% Rule" Read the article and watch the video: http://www.eaa.org/news/2008/2008-08-21_51percent.asp Smitty http://SmittysRV.com Original Message: ----------------- From: Brian Meyette bmeyette@gmail.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Builder Available! isn't that contrary to the spirit, if not the letter, of the 51% builder rule? Nothing against you personally, and i dont say this with any antagoinstic meaning, but I understand that the current FAA reexamination of the 51% rule and possible tightening of restrictions on builders is due to the proliferation of "builders for hire". brian _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sparling Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: RV-List: Builder Available! If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I will be available in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss your needs. All the best, Jack Sparling N5115Q 40487 210hrs. Crestwood, Kentucky Cell: (502) 262-6557 Jhs_61@yahoo.com N5115Q.blogspot.com "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"http://www.matronics.com/Navigat or?RV-List "http://www.matronics.com/contribution"http://www.matronics.com/contribution Checked by AVG. 7:06 PM -------------------------------------------------------------------- myhosting.com - Premium Microsoft Windows and Linux web and application hosting - http://link.myhosting.com/myhosting


    Message 19


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:34:05 PM PST US
    From: Charlie England <ceengland@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    If I'm not mistaken, the FAA changed the rules a few years ago & 'full dual controls' are now legally required for instruction, including flight reviews. Having said that, none of the CFI's that I know pay any attention to the rule, even in TW planes, if they know you & your abilities. If someone lives in an area where all the CFI's are koolaid drinking nazi's, it might be worth some research. Charlie Bill Boyd wrote: > Removing my pax-side brakes is on my to-do list, Tom. Never used 'em > once in 10 years flying. I have parking brake valve in case I ever > need to hand prop (or just have pax sit on the left for the time being > and hold brakes.) They add weight, expense (probably too late to > recoup that) and they, alone, are the source of the only seepage in > the whole system. Mine should be on ebay within a month :-) > > I don't think a CFI would be anxious about no brakes on his side in a > nosewheel aircraft. > > -Bill Boyd RV-6A 710 hrs > > On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:51 AM, tom sargent <sarg314@comcast.net > <mailto:sarg314@comcast.net>> wrote: > > <mailto:sarg314@comcast.net>> > > I talked with Ken at Van's today about problems routing brake > lines for my dual brakes (my own fault mostly, for the way I > organized things on the firewall). He observed that he thinks > dual brakes aren't worth it. It's a few pounds of weight that > almost never gives any benefit. He says he's taking the dual > brakes out of his plane soon. > > Do those of you who have dual brakes ever really use the right > side? I thought it would be helpful if I ever took a CFI up with > me. However, removing them now would greatly simplify my brake > routing problems. I've just about decided to tear out the right side. > > > Thanks for any opions. > -- > Tom Sargent, RV-6A. >


    Message 20


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 01:34:05 PM PST US
    From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    Seems like a lot of anguish over just a few pounds. Ron Lee


    Message 21


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 03:41:15 PM PST US
    From: Mike Robertson <mrobert569@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Builder Available!
    Also=2C be careful about who may be on the list listening!! Mike Robertson Das Fed DO NOT ARCHIVE From: bmeyette@gmail.comTo: rv-list@matronics.comSubject: RE: RV-List: Buil der Available!Date: Thu=2C 28 Aug 2008 14:33:36 -0400 isn't that contrary to the spirit=2C if not the letter=2C of the 51% builde r rule? Nothing against you personally=2C and i dont say this with any ant agoinstic meaning=2C but I understand that the current FAA reexamination of the 51% rule and possible tightening of restrictions on builders is due to the proliferation of "builders for hire". brian From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of Jack SparlingSent: Wednesday=2C August 27=2C 2008 8: 14 PMTo: rv10-list@matronics.com=3B rv-list@matronics.comSubject: RV-List: Builder Available! If you are looking for someone to complete your project=2C I will be availa ble in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to disc uss your needs. All the best=2C Jack Sparling N5115Q 40487 210hrs. Crestwood=2C Kentucky Cell: (502) 262-6557 Jhs_61@yahoo.com N5115Q.blogspot.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.co m/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c AVG.8/27/2008 7:06 PM _________________________________________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008


    Message 22


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:16:45 PM PST US
    From: "John Danielson" <johnd@wlcwyo.com>
    Subject: Builder Available!
    I don't believe it's a problem to have help building your experimental. To hire someone to build the whole plane for you is not a problem either, if you don't apply for the repairmen's certificate. This would indicate that you built the plane. Having help building is like having a friend or organization build a plane. If you only had help with construction, you would still be able to apply for the repairmen's certificate, You are the builder. John L. Danielson _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Builder Available! Also, be careful about who may be on the list listening!! Mike Robertson Das Fed DO NOT ARCHIVE _____ From: bmeyette@gmail.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Builder Available! isn't that contrary to the spirit, if not the letter, of the 51% builder rule? Nothing against you personally, and i dont say this with any antagoinstic meaning, but I understand that the current FAA reexamination of the 51% rule and possible tightening of restrictions on builders is due to the proliferation of "builders for hire". brian _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sparling Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: RV-List: Builder Available! If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I will be available in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss your needs. All the best, Jack Sparling N5115Q 40487 210hrs. Crestwood, Kentucky Cell: (502) 262-6557 Jhs_61@yahoo.com N5115Q.blogspot.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/N avigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ONT> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 NT size=2> Checked by AVG. 8/27/2008 7:06 PM get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution _____ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. Check It Out! <http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008>


    Message 23


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:42:03 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    Are you not aware of the current problem with Slick mags, that some are failing on FIRST flight? Rick is right on this one at the moment. 20 years ago I put slick mags on the plane I had and they were fine. The last 10 years and 700 hours I have flown behind Bendix mags. Huge difference in reliability, lack of need for service, etc. I know of several RV-10s that have had both Slick mags fail within minutes of each other. Are you willing to play Russian roulette with your plane while Slick tries to come up with a fix. This has been known for a couple months, and they still, AFAIK do not have a solution. When it comes time to buy an engine for my RV-10, it WILL be equipped with a Bendix mag or P mags, definitely not Slicks. KM A&P/IA EAA Tech Counselor Sam Buchanan wrote: > > Rick, > > I appreciate you posting the Slick magneto manual, that is a very > useful resource. > > However, you have repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, stated your > disgust with Slick magnetos. In my opinion, your statement above > completed the process of destroying any credibility you have with me, > and I'm confident, with many other RVers. To state that Slick mags > will "kill you" shows a lack of grounding in reality. > > I have no idea why you feel so strongly about this matter, but it is > obvious your strong feelings have clouded any objectivity you may have > about the mag issue. I had a long professional relationship with an > A&P whom I deeply respected, and we discussed the longevity of the > Slick mags on my *experimental* plane at the time we freshened them. > We were able to replace points, cam, condenser, and bearings for about > $250 per mag. > >


    Message 24


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:42:04 PM PST US
    From: "wskimike" <wskimike@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    A friend of mine had a mag business and called it quits because he was honest and recommended buying new ones. ----- Original Message ----- From: John Fasching To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 3:11 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up At those prices why not throw away the mags, put in Lightspeed electronic units and be done with it?


    Message 25


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:43:58 PM PST US
    From: "wskimike" <wskimike@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    The problem is if the person peforming your check doesn't have a tester where he can turn the mag and check the spark, he is not in compliance with the check and he is betting your life on his work. Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: Bobby Hester To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 5:01 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up Well Mark, looks like you know exactly what to do now! Ha ha ha! Unbelievable! I do not have a maintenance manual for the slick mags but will try to get one from a buddy soon. I am sure you would still like to know what the manual says is due and when. ---- Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/ Fiveonepw@aol.com wrote: Mojo (She's a good girl!) is approaching her 500-hour check-up and I've been trying to determine the maintenance needs for her Slick 4370 & 4371 magnetos. Research has led to a lot of info regarding HOW to do lots of stuff, but not necessarily what NEEDS to be done regarding checking points, rebuild etc. Her timing has always been spot-on, but I'm concerned about making sure she stays in perfect health. Advice? Links? Mark, N51PW, E3D, OSHBL, S&FBMH, SERFIGC etc... http://websites.expercraft.com/n51pw/ ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution


    Message 26


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:49:25 PM PST US
    Subject: Builder Available!
    From: "John Cox" <johnwcox@pacificnw.com>
    Just call the guy a "hired educator". The owner shows the ways of capitalism and the worker provides the labor. Unfortunately to acquire the Airworthiness Certificate regardless of the Repairman pursuit the owner of the kit must certify he has done 51%. John Cox From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Danielson Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:15 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Builder Available! I don't believe it's a problem to have help building your experimental. To hire someone to build the whole plane for you is not a problem either, if you don't apply for the repairmen's certificate. This would indicate that you built the plane. Having help building is like having a friend or organization build a plane. If you only had help with construction, you would still be able to apply for the repairmen's certificate, You are the builder. John L. Danielson ________________________________ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 4:40 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Builder Available! Also, be careful about who may be on the list listening!! Mike Robertson Das Fed DO NOT ARCHIVE ________________________________ From: bmeyette@gmail.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Builder Available! isn't that contrary to the spirit, if not the letter, of the 51% builder rule? Nothing against you personally, and i dont say this with any antagoinstic meaning, but I understand that the current FAA reexamination of the 51% rule and possible tightening of restrictions on builders is due to the proliferation of "builders for hire". brian ________________________________ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Sparling Sent: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 8:14 PM Subject: RV-List: Builder Available! If you are looking for someone to complete your project, I will be available in September. Please take a look at my blog and give me a call to discuss your needs. All the best, Jack Sparling N5115Q 40487 210hrs. Crestwood, Kentucky Cell: (502) 262-6557 Jhs_61@yahoo.com N5115Q.blogspot.com href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. c om/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ONT> Checked by AVG. Version: 7.5.526 NT size=2> Checked by AVG. 8/27/2008 7:06 PM get=_blank>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ttp://forums.matronics.com =_blank>http://www.matronics.com/contribution ________________________________ See what people are saying about Windows Live. Check out featured posts. Check It Out! <http://www.windowslive.com/connect?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_connect2_082008> href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. c om/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c


    Message 27


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 04:52:54 PM PST US
    From: "wskimike" <wskimike@mchsi.com>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    I don't think you understood about the CFI. If you plan to get a certification in the aircraft, the rule states dual controls. This includes brakes. ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Boyd To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 7:13 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: dual brakes vs. single Removing my pax-side brakes is on my to-do list, Tom. Never used 'em once in 10 years flying. I have parking brake valve in case I ever need to hand prop (or just have pax sit on the left for the time being and hold brakes.) They add weight, expense (probably too late to recoup that) and they, alone, are the source of the only seepage in the whole system. Mine should be on ebay within a month :-) I don't think a CFI would be anxious about no brakes on his side in a nosewheel aircraft. -Bill Boyd RV-6A 710 hrs On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:51 AM, tom sargent <sarg314@comcast.net> wrote: I talked with Ken at Van's today about problems routing brake lines for my dual brakes (my own fault mostly, for the way I organized things on the firewall). He observed that he thinks dual brakes aren't worth it. It's a few pounds of weight that almost never gives any benefit. He says he's taking the dual brakes out of his plane soon. Do those of you who have dual brakes ever really use the right side? I thought it would be helpful if I ever took a CFI up with me. However, removing them now would greatly simplify my brake routing problems. I've just about decided to tear out the right side. Thanks for any opions. -- Tom Sargent, RV-6A. _= - MATRONICS WEB FORUMS -


    Message 28


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:04:19 PM PST US
    From: Scott <acepilot@bloomer.net>
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    They call them "Slick" for a reason ;) Scott Eisemann, baby, EISEMANN :) Kelly McMullen wrote: > > > Are you not aware of the current problem with Slick mags, that some > are failing on FIRST flight? Rick is right on this one at the moment. > 20 years ago I put slick mags on the plane I had and they were fine. > The last 10 years and 700 hours I have flown behind Bendix mags. Huge > difference in reliability, lack of need for service, etc. I know of > several RV-10s that have had both Slick mags fail within minutes of > each other. Are you willing to play Russian roulette with your plane > while Slick tries to come up with a fix. This has been known for a > couple months, and they still, AFAIK do not have a solution. > When it comes time to buy an engine for my RV-10, it WILL be equipped > with a Bendix mag or P mags, definitely not Slicks. > KM > A&P/IA > EAA Tech Counselor > > Sam Buchanan wrote: > >> >> Rick, >> >> I appreciate you posting the Slick magneto manual, that is a very >> useful resource. >> >> However, you have repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, stated your >> disgust with Slick magnetos. In my opinion, your statement above >> completed the process of destroying any credibility you have with me, >> and I'm confident, with many other RVers. To state that Slick mags >> will "kill you" shows a lack of grounding in reality. >> >> I have no idea why you feel so strongly about this matter, but it is >> obvious your strong feelings have clouded any objectivity you may >> have about the mag issue. I had a long professional relationship with >> an A&P whom I deeply respected, and we discussed the longevity of the >> Slick mags on my *experimental* plane at the time we freshened them. >> We were able to replace points, cam, condenser, and bearings for >> about $250 per mag. >> >> > > -- Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4 Gotta Fly or Gonna Die


    Message 29


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:36:24 PM PST US
    From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    Got it Rick, thanks! Digestion in progress... Mark do not archive **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)


    Message 30


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 05:53:42 PM PST US
    From: Darrell Reiley <lifeofreiley2003@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    Thank you Sam! Darrell --- On Thu, 8/28/08, Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net> wrote: > From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Slick Mag Health Check-up > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, August 28, 2008, 7:42 AM > <sbuc@hiwaay.net> > > RICHARD MILLER wrote: > > mark it is rick not nick the first post i told you > what to look for. > > > > i have posted the manual and told you what we do for > this inspection. > > if i have to put it in big letters i will.slick mags > are junk. given > > half a chance they will kill you. ask any mag shop > what they think > > about them. they are plastic pieces of crap and i > would not have them > > on my aircraft. > > Rick, > > I appreciate you posting the Slick magneto manual, that is > a very useful > resource. > > However, you have repeatedly, and I mean repeatedly, stated > your disgust > with Slick magnetos. In my opinion, your statement above > completed the > process of destroying any credibility you have with me, and > I'm > confident, with many other RVers. To state that Slick mags > will "kill > you" shows a lack of grounding in reality. > > I have no idea why you feel so strongly about this matter, > but it is > obvious your strong feelings have clouded any objectivity > you may have > about the mag issue. I had a long professional relationship > with an A&P > whom I deeply respected, and we discussed the longevity of > the Slick > mags on my *experimental* plane at the time we freshened > them. We were > able to replace points, cam, condenser, and bearings for > about $250 per mag. > > The opinion of the A&Ps I've discussed Slick mags > with is that yes, they > do have a finite life span, and more than likely it is best > to replace > them if they cause problems after several hundred hours of > service. But > I have never heard a pro express the vitriol toward Slick > mags that you > continue to spew on this list. > > I respect your right to express your opinion, but > personally, I put no > stock in what you have expressed. > > Sam Buchanan >


    Message 31


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:34:02 PM PST US
    From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    In a message dated 8/28/2008 2:10:22 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rickpegser@yahoo.com writes: it is your bird. Actually, I'm more concerned about my butt than my bird. I really appreciate any input and will make my own informed decision based on all education I can get. Your comments have been noted. Soooooo... What's your take on taildraggers? Mark - do NOT archive 8-) **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)


    Message 32


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:46:07 PM PST US
    From: Kyrilian Dyer <kyrilian_av@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Builder Available!
    To hire someone to build the whole plane for you is not a problem either, if you don=A2t apply for the repairmen=A2s certificate. This would indicate that you built the plane. Wrong! This attitude/interpretation is what's leading the FAA to think about throw ing the whole 51% rule into a complex, onerous PITA.- It's in clear viola tion of the regs. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> =A7-21.191---Experimental certificates. Experimental certificates are issued for the following purposes:<snip> (g) Operating amateur-built aircraft. Operating an aircraft the major portion of which has been fabricated and assembled by persons who undertook the construction project solely for their own education or recreation.<snip> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< Having friends come by and help (or even do work by themselves) is fine, be cause they too are doing it for their own education or recreation.- But s omeone who is hired is not fabricating or assembling solely for their own e ducation or recreation, they're doing it for money.- If you have your kit delivered to a build shop and show up to pick it up when they're done, you can't take credit for any of the tasks that were performed in your absence .- Depending on how much of the project you have built this way you may n ot get enough checks in the "Amateur" column of FAA Form 8000-38 to receive an experimental airworthiness cert.- Of course, I'm guessing many people going this route just lie and say they did all the work.- But I expect t hat if the regs aren't re-written entirely the FAA will simply get more ser ious about enforcing these regs.- Too bad it's come to this... Though I don't think it's totally black and white, I don't believe the FAA has any real problem with builders getting assistance where they're involve d too (working alongside a pro).- But the FAA clearly has major issues wi th amateur builders who pay for someone else to do the work without being p resent and involved. I think it's important that we all realize what's at stake and remind ourse lves what the regs say.- Getting professional assistance (builder involve d) is not the same as hiring out the work (builder not involved).- If we don't abide by the regs then the regs will change--for the worse, I expect. Off my horse, - Kyrilian Do not archive =0A=0A=0A


    Message 33


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 06:55:06 PM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: Builder Available!
    John Cox wrote: > Unfortunately to acquire the Airworthiness Certificate regardless of the > Repairman pursuit the owner of the kit must certify he has done 51%. The 51% rule has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you qualify for the Repairman Certificate. The 51% rule is applied so that the FAA can determine whether or not the majority of the aircraft was assembled by an amateur builder. This is why some of the newest composite kits are in jeopardy since they leave the factory with more than 49% factory fabrication. You qualify for the Repairman's Certificate by demonstrating you know enough about the aircraft to safely and adequately perform the condition inspection. This is often determined by the DAR who inspects your aircraft prior to flight. The DAR will often write a letter to the FAA recommending they issue the Repairman's Certificate to you based on his assessment of your knowledge of the aircraft during his inspection. The FAA actually issues the certificate. Sam Buchanan


    Message 34


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:05:06 PM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: Builder Available!
    John Danielson wrote: > I don't believe it's a problem to have help building your experimental. To > hire someone to build the whole plane for you is not a problem either, if > you don't apply for the repairmen's certificate. This would indicate that > you built the plane. Nope, a professionally built experimental aircraft is a major problem. During the course of requesting registration of your amateur-built aircraft you must submit FAA Form 8130-12, Eligibility Statement Amateur Built Aircraft. On that form you sign your name and have your signature notarized stating that you are the amateur builder of that aircraft. If you have the plane professionally built, and submit 8130-12.......you have committed purgery. http://forms.faa.gov/forms/faa8130-12.pdf Sam Buchanan


    Message 35


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:32:51 PM PST US
    From: Jerry Springer <jsflyrv@verizon.net>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    YES Bob wrote: > > >> I was taking my own situation into account: need BFR every 2 years >> in a nosewheel RV that I have 700 hours in. CFI not likely to feel >> anxious about me having the only brakes in the aircraft. Pit me in a >> taildragger for a BFR and suddenly his comfort level is very >> different, right? > > > I have a taildragger, no right hand brakes. When I do a Flight > Review, there is no need for the CFI to ever touch the controls. The > CFIs that I fly with are not even taildragger qualified. > > Speaking of a Flight Review, if all you have is a single seat aircraft > such as the RV3, I assume one has to do the Flight Review in a > different aircraft with at least two seats? Now if the two seat > aircraft is an RV4/8, do you have to have any controls for the CFI at > all? > > Bob > RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West" > >


    Message 36


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 07:52:36 PM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: Builder Available!
    I believe I misread John's post. His statement about the builder needing to complete 51% of the project is correct if expanded to include *all* amateur builders of the project. Sorry for the misread of the original post. Sam Buchanan ========================== Sam Buchanan wrote: > > John Cox wrote: > >> Unfortunately to acquire the Airworthiness Certificate regardless of the >> Repairman pursuit the owner of the kit must certify he has done 51%. > > The 51% rule has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you > qualify for the Repairman Certificate. The 51% rule is applied so that > the FAA can determine whether or not the majority of the aircraft was > assembled by an amateur builder. This is why some of the newest > composite kits are in jeopardy since they leave the factory with more > than 49% factory fabrication. > > You qualify for the Repairman's Certificate by demonstrating you know > enough about the aircraft to safely and adequately perform the condition > inspection. This is often determined by the DAR who inspects your > aircraft prior to flight. The DAR will often write a letter to the FAA > recommending they issue the Repairman's Certificate to you based on his > assessment of your knowledge of the aircraft during his inspection. The > FAA actually issues the certificate. > > Sam Buchanan >


    Message 37


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 08:16:57 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    Sorry, you are simply wrong. The Richmond FSDO tried that line and got slapped down by FAA HQ with a memo that specifically says dual controls do not mean dual brakes. Heck some planes have no brakes. wskimike wrote: > I don't think you understood about the CFI. If you plan to get a > certification in the aircraft, the rule states dual controls. This > includes brakes. > > * ** > *


    Message 38


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 09:03:56 PM PST US
    From: "Ralph Finch" <rgf@dcn.davis.ca.us>
    Subject: Builder Available!
    Glad to see this response. I went to a professional building class for the empennage, but that pro-builder-assister had an iron rule that the aircraft owner always had to be present and working/learning. That I too believe meets the letter and spirit of the Amateur Built rules. But companies or individuals who blatantly offer to build even a part of your aircraft if you're too busy are screwing all of us with the FAA. Don't like the regs? Get 'em changed before you screw the rest of us who really are building and learning. Still too busy? Why'd you start a kit? Sell your project and buy someone's completed plane. There are lots on the market. Ralph Finch On Behalf Of Kyrilian Dyer Sent: Thursday, August 28, 2008 6:45 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Builder Available! <cut> Though I don't think it's totally black and white, I don't believe the FAA has any real problem with builders getting assistance where they're involved too (working alongside a pro). But the FAA clearly has major issues with amateur builders who pay for someone else to do the work without being present and involved. I think it's important that we all realize what's at stake and remind ourselves what the regs say. Getting professional assistance (builder involved) is not the same as hiring out the work (builder not involved). If we don't abide by the regs then the regs will change--for the worse, I expect.


    Message 39


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 09:12:56 PM PST US
    From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    In a message dated 8/28/2008 4:05:46 A.M. Central Daylight Time, rickpegser@yahoo.com writes: when you ask for advice, and someone with 25 yrs of experiance, offers you it for free, and gives you the manual. i would suggest that you leave the high horse at home. With apologies to all you listers who have better things to do with your time than endure this kind of spat, my fingers refuse to ignore a gauntlet tossed. Please delete now if uninterested... Rick- (with additional apologies for fat-fingering your name- it was a totally juvenile error on my part) "slick mags are junk. given half a chance they will kill you." (underline & large font omitted) High horse? My experience is a mere 9 years in aviation and 1000 hours flying as a Private Pilot with no other aviation credential than a Repairman Certificate (and have built 2 airplanes- both quite successfully using Slick magnetos I might add, but you made an assumption) and have served as an EAA Technical Counselor on a number of other projects. I wasn't requesting hyperbole, but DATA. Are the bearings prone to loosen in their bores because of poor machining or material? How about bearing seal failure and why? Are dielectric tolerances insufficient to prevent arcing? Is the impulse coupling shaft prone to failure from pawl wear due to poor manufacture or metallurgy? Perhaps there is evidence suggesting these devices are routinely abused by "experienced" A&Ps resulting in the reputation you claim? If I knew the answers to these questions or even if they ARE valid questions, I wouldn't have even bothered to ask here. How about some specific, useful information instead of "slick mags are junk. given half a chance they will kill you." If you know your stuff, you can tell us WHY these devices are "junk" and HOW they "will kill" us. This forum exists to serve an intelligent, serious aviation community. If you have specifics to offer based on your professional experience, please do so. Or more bluntly, put up or shut up. Mark A. Phillips, Columbia, TN RV-6A N51PW do not archive **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)


    Message 40


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 09:51:43 PM PST US
    From: Fiveonepw@aol.com
    Subject: Re: Slick Mag Health Check-up
    Howdy- I tried forwarding the original that had the link- I cc's to myself and it worked, but my email to you got returned by the deamon- If you still need it, I'll try to attach to a new e-mail & send- but it's too late tonight & I gotta get up early! Holler back at me tomorrow- Mark **************It's only a deal if it's where you want to go. Find your travel deal here. (http://information.travel.aol.com/deals?ncid=aoltrv00050000000047)


    Message 41


  • INDEX
  • Back to Main INDEX
  • PREVIOUS
  • Skip to PREVIOUS Message
  • NEXT
  • Skip to NEXT Message
  • LIST
  • Reply to LIST Regarding this Message
  • SENDER
  • Reply to SENDER Regarding this Message
    Time: 10:09:32 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: dual brakes vs. single
    Nope, the rules weren't changed, just clarified with a General Counsel memo (IIRC) to straighten out the knuckle draggers at Richmond FSDO. Dual brakes are not required for flight checks, check rides, BFRs, etc. IF the CFI feels a need for them for a particular student, then a different aircraft should be used to satisfy the CFI's concern, but there is NOTHING in the regs requiring dual brakes. Many certified aircraft, such as Mooneys do not have dual brakes. I've gotten plenty of instruction, BFRs and IPCs in Mooneys with only left side brakes, regardless of whether I was flying left or right seat. Not to mention all the old aircraft that only had tail skids and no brakes. No aircraft on skiis or floats have any brakes..makes no difference for flight check or instruction. Charlie England wrote: > > If I'm not mistaken, the FAA changed the rules a few years ago & 'full > dual controls' are now legally required for instruction, including > flight reviews. Having said that, none of the CFI's that I know pay > any attention to the rule, even in TW planes, if they know you & your > abilities. If someone lives in an area where all the CFI's are > koolaid drinking nazi's, it might be worth some research. > > Charlie > > Bill Boyd wrote: >> Removing my pax-side brakes is on my to-do list, Tom. Never used 'em >> once in 10 years flying. I have parking brake valve in case I ever >> need to hand prop (or just have pax sit on the left for the time >> being and hold brakes.) They add weight, expense (probably too late >> to recoup that) and they, alone, are the source of the only seepage >> in the whole system. Mine should be on ebay within a month :-) >> >> I don't think a CFI would be anxious about no brakes on his side in a >> nosewheel aircraft. >> >> -Bill Boyd RV-6A 710 hrs >> >> On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:51 AM, tom sargent <sarg314@comcast.net >> <mailto:sarg314@comcast.net>> wrote: >> >> <mailto:sarg314@comcast.net>> >> >> I talked with Ken at Van's today about problems routing brake >> lines for my dual brakes (my own fault mostly, for the way I >> organized things on the firewall). He observed that he thinks >> dual brakes aren't worth it. It's a few pounds of weight that >> almost never gives any benefit. He says he's taking the dual >> brakes out of his plane soon. >> >> Do those of you who have dual brakes ever really use the right >> side? I thought it would be helpful if I ever took a CFI up with >> me. However, removing them now would greatly simplify my brake >> routing problems. I've just about decided to tear out the right >> side. >> >> >> Thanks for any opions. >> -- >> Tom Sargent, RV-6A. >> > >




    Other Matronics Email List Services

  • Post A New Message
  •   rv-list@matronics.com
  • UN/SUBSCRIBE
  •   http://www.matronics.com/subscription
  • List FAQ
  •   http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm
  • Web Forum Interface To Lists
  •   http://forums.matronics.com
  • Matronics List Wiki
  •   http://wiki.matronics.com
  • 7-Day List Browse
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list
  • Browse RV-List Digests
  •   http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list
  • Browse Other Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/browse
  • Live Online Chat!
  •   http://www.matronics.com/chat
  • Archive Downloading
  •   http://www.matronics.com/archives
  • Photo Share
  •   http://www.matronics.com/photoshare
  • Other Email Lists
  •   http://www.matronics.com/emaillists
  • Contributions
  •   http://www.matronics.com/contribution

    These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.

    -- Please support this service by making your Contribution today! --