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1. 03:45 AM - Anyone at Brighton Van-Aire? (Bill Judge)
2. 04:18 AM - Re: A (Charles Heathco)
3. 04:53 AM - Re: A&P Standard (Dana Overall)
4. 05:35 AM - Re: Builder Available! (N395V)
5. 05:55 AM - Re: A&P Standard (N395V)
6. 06:06 AM - Re: A&P Standard (Bret Smith)
7. 06:29 AM - Re: Re: A&P Standard (Please end this thread) (Darrell Reiley)
8. 07:00 AM - Re: Re: Builder Available! (linn Walters)
9. 07:03 AM - Re: A (SteinAir, Inc.)
10. 07:04 AM - Re: Re: A&P Standard (linn Walters)
11. 07:24 AM - Re: Re: Builder Available! (Tim Bryan)
12. 07:39 AM - Re: A&P Standard (N395V)
13. 07:51 AM - Re: A&P Standard (Mike Robertson)
14. 08:22 AM - Re: A&P Standard (Mike Robertson)
15. 09:17 AM - Re: A&P Standard (Jerry Springer)
16. 11:33 AM - Re: A&P Standard (John Fasching)
17. 12:00 PM - Re: Re: A&P Standard (Kyrilian Dyer)
18. 12:10 PM - Re: A&P Standard (N395V)
19. 12:20 PM - Efis Question (bert murillo)
20. 01:36 PM - Re: A&P Standard (Bob)
21. 01:42 PM - Navaid question (bert murillo)
22. 01:58 PM - Re: Navaid question (Sam Buchanan)
23. 02:23 PM - Re: Re: A&P Standard (Terry Watson)
24. 02:35 PM - Re: Navaid question (Carl Froehlich)
25. 02:47 PM - Re: Re: A&P Standard (Mike Schulz)
26. 03:08 PM - Re: Efis Question (Bobby Hester)
27. 04:57 PM - Re: Builder Available! (N395V)
28. 05:16 PM - Re: Re: A&P Standard (Mike Divan)
29. 07:33 PM - Re: Re: Builder Available! (linn Walters)
30. 07:48 PM - Re: Efis Question (Carl Froehlich)
31. 08:26 PM - Re: Navaid question (David Leonard)
32. 08:43 PM - Re: Re: A&P Standard (Dana Overall)
33. 11:47 PM - A request for action (Mike Robertson)
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| Subject: | Anyone at Brighton Van-Aire? |
Hello:
I'm planning visiting a friend in Denver on my way back to the east
coast from the Reno Air Races. He lives very near the Brighton
Van-Aire Private airport. Beyond the data listed on airnav, Does
anyone have the inside track on getting parking at this field?
Thanks,
Bill
N84WJ, RV-8
rv-8.blogspot.com
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Rick, you are way out of line, yur attitude has been dispicable, and you
should be kicked off the list. Charles heathco Fayetteville Ar.
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> Date: Thu=2C 4 Sep 2008 20:21:48 -0700
> From: kellym@aviating.com
Just as you find in certified aircraft=2C there are huge variations in
> quality and maintenance between aircraft=2C perhaps larger in homebuilt
> aircraft...
Since this as deteriorated into nothing more than a chest beating self serv
ing thread now=2C I'll gladly take a ride in 9 out of 10 homebuilts over 9
out 10 40 year old pieces of certified junk IA's routinely sign off. When
the guy taxied the ratty C180 jump plane in Black Magic this past Memorial
Day weekend.....he paced back and forth on the ramp repeating=2C "why could
n't I have run into a %$#&#@$^% 150=2C 152 or 172......."
Sorry but I have seen way too many certified birds recently signed off I wo
uld not taxi across the ramp.......
Boy=2C this response didn't serve any purpose at all did it:-)
Dana Overall
Richmond=2C KY i39
RV-7 slider "Black Magic"
Flying..well sorta=2C useta=2C kinda
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| Subject: | Re: Builder Available! |
My hat is off to any A&P or IA who is willing to inspect and sign off on a non
builder owned experimental aircraft.
For them the risk and liability are huge and the financial reward small.
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
rickpegser(at)yahoo.com wrote:
> Tim
>
> i don't know what you do for NASA but if you don't turn wrenches or supervise
those that do, your a+p is void. engineering does not count. your shitty in
house quality control has caused to loss of two shuttles, if you can show me a
nasa manager in jail, and then you can tell me how good your quality is. i can
show you a/i's that are in jail, for screwing up but i guess if you work for
nasa it does not count.
>
> rick
> --
Rick,
Where you born an asshole or is this a newly acquired skill?
Are you a certified asshole or an experimental asshole?
Actually it doesn't matter for it is certain you are an asshole the type irrelevant.
The quality of the people at NASA have put men on the moon and given us much of
the technology that today makes our lives much better.
They had some accidents along the way the 2 of which you mention probably had more
to do with politics and political appointees than with quality control, NASA
engineers or A&Ps. The folks at NASA are some of the the brightest most dedicated
people in this country. Who the fuck are you to question them you low life
little piece of shit.
You would make an excellent adviser for OBAMA he seems to like to spout nonsense
and bullshit without concern for facts or truth.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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Dana,
In light of your experience, venting will always be allowed...
Hope you feel better now.
Bret Smith
RV-9A N16BL
Blue Ridge, Ga
www.FlightInnovations.com <http://www.flightinnovations.com/>
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dana Overall
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 7:53 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: A&P Standard
> Date: Thu, 4 Sep 2008 20:21:48 -0700
> From: kellym@aviating.com
Just as you find in certified aircraft, there are huge variations in
> quality and maintenance between aircraft, perhaps larger in homebuilt
> aircraft...
Since this as deteriorated into nothing more than a chest beating self
serving thread now, I'll gladly take a ride in 9 out of 10 homebuilts over 9
out 10 40 year old pieces of certified junk IA's routinely sign off. When
the guy taxied the ratty C180 jump plane in Black Magic this past Memorial
Day weekend.....he paced back and forth on the ramp repeating, "why couldn't
I have run into a %$#&#@$^% 150, 152 or 172......."
Sorry but I have seen way too many certified birds recently signed off I
would not taxi across the ramp.......
Boy, this response didn't serve any purpose at all did it:-)
Dana Overall
Richmond, KY i39
RV-7 slider "Black Magic" Flying..well sorta, useta, kinda
Barrett Precision O 360 A1A
Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard (Please end this thread) |
Well said Milt! My response was going to be very close to the same. I would not
let Rick get anywhere near my airplane for any reason period!
Darrell
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| Subject: | Re: Builder Available! |
N395V wrote:
>
> My hat is off to any A&P or IA who is willing to inspect and sign off on a non
builder owned experimental aircraft.
>
> For them the risk and liability are huge and the financial reward small.
>
I agree with the small financial reward, but question the risk and
liability. I think they are perceived. How many A&Ps or IAs do you
know of that have been sued because they signed off on an experimental
airplane??? Just sued, not ruled against. Just my thought.
Linn
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> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2719#202719
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He's not out of line.....for a 12 year old!
He's a perfect example of why certain people should remain silent and have
people think them a fool instead of opening their mouths and removing all
doubt!
Cheers,
Stein
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Charles Heathco
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 6:17 AM
To: rv-list
Subject: Re: RV-List: A
Rick, you are way out of line, yur attitude has been dispicable, and you
should be kicked off the list. Charles heathco Fayetteville Ar.
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
Hey Milt! Thanks for responding ..... even like you did. Too bad it
won't penetrate.
I am getting tired of the thread, but your response was on the mark ....
IMHO, of course.
Linn
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N395V wrote:
>
>
> rickpegser(at)yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Tim
>>
>> i don't know what you do for NASA but if you don't turn wrenches or supervise
those that do, your a+p is void. engineering does not count. your shitty in
house quality control has caused to loss of two shuttles, if you can show me
a nasa manager in jail, and then you can tell me how good your quality is. i can
show you a/i's that are in jail, for screwing up but i guess if you work for
nasa it does not count.
>>
>> rick
>> --
>>
>
>
> Rick,
>
> Where you born an asshole or is this a newly acquired skill?
>
> Are you a certified asshole or an experimental asshole?
>
> Actually it doesn't matter for it is certain you are an asshole the type irrelevant.
>
> The quality of the people at NASA have put men on the moon and given us much
of the technology that today makes our lives much better.
>
> They had some accidents along the way the 2 of which you mention probably had
more to do with politics and political appointees than with quality control,
NASA engineers or A&Ps. The folks at NASA are some of the the brightest most dedicated
people in this country. Who the fuck are you to question them you low
life little piece of shit.
>
> You would make an excellent adviser for OBAMA he seems to like to spout nonsense
and bullshit without concern for facts or truth.
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2721#202721
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Builder Available! |
> I agree with the small financial reward, but question the risk and
> liability. I think they are perceived. How many A&Ps or IAs do you
> know of that have been sued because they signed off on an experimental
> airplane??? Just sued, not ruled against. Just my thought.
> Linn
> > --------
> > Milt
> > 2003 F1 Rocket
> > 2006 Radial Rocket
[Tim] Unfortunately if you are sued you already lost. The cost to defend
even a frivolous lawsuit can take your entire retirement. I know. Judges
don't throw out very many suits these days. But that said, the point was
about if they are liable and I understand your comments.
Thanks!
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
> even like you did
Linn,
It has been my experience that if you are going to descend into the gutter to fight
with a rat it is more effective if you use weapons similar to those used
by the rat. Distasteful as that is they have a better appreciation for the flavor
of your response.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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Rick=2C
Did you re-read your email=2C or use spell check. I only have my A&P=2C so
I guess I fit into your definition. You may want to re-think your positio
n.
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
For heavens sake...DO NOT ARCHIVE.
> Date: Thu=2C 4 Sep 2008 14:48:14 -0700> From: rickpegser@yahoo.com> Subje
ct: RE: RV-List: A&P Standard> To: rv-list@matronics.com> > --> RV-List mes
sage posted by: RICHARD MILLER <rickpegser@yahoo.com>> > bob > > to start w
ith a+p's don't not sign off annuals=2C for this inspection we are required
to do in accordance with the appendix. we can use check list as developed
by the manufacturer that comply with the appendix=2C we can use check list
as developed by the i/a that comply with the appendix=2C or just use the ap
pendix. the problem with using certified aircrafts check lists is that most
require compliance with all outstanding service bulletins. and as we all k
now that is not required. in order to get around this most sign of inspecti
on as per the appendix.> > but we get hit with the bs cya service bulletins
=2C and we also get hit with the real service bulletins. the trick here is
to know the difference. > > depending on the airframe i have a list of serv
ice bulletins that i feel are required=2C and will not sign-off an annual i
f they are not done. i make all owners aware of this prior to start of annu
al. i find it makes thing alot easier in the end.> > so you are going to ha
ve an a+p not an i/a do your conditional. go for it. what you have basicall
y asked is an apprentice=2C that has little experience with the airframe or
engine to say that everything is all right. he has no experience with a/d
research=2C does not not where to find the service bulletins on experimenta
l parts. and has seen a lot less of the field failures that we deal with. s
o at this point we have an amateur> build aircraft =2C inspected by amateur
s. owned by idoits. if you have an a+p and are to lasy to take the test=2C
then don't do inspections.> rick> > > > > --- On Thu=2C 9/4/08=2C Bob <pana
mared5@brier.net> wrote:> > > From: Bob <panamared5@brier.net>> > Subject:
RE: RV-List: A&P Standard> > To: rv-list@matronics.com> > Date: Thursday=2C
anamared5@brier.net>> > > > > > >... but what standard are A&P's taught to>
> expect when signing off an> > >annual for instance? Do they have a stand
ard to follow> > for experimental> > >aircraft?> > > > Yes!! Use the same s
tandard that the repairman uses to> > sign off of > > the annual conditiona
l inspection. A good A&P should> > review the > > previous years inspection
checklist.> > > > Part of the manufactures responsibility for either a> >
certified > > aircraft or a homebuilt is to develop an annual or> > conditi
onal > > inspection checklist. If the A&P can not get one from> > the aircr
aft > > documents=2C then get one from another> > builder/repairman/owner.
Or use > > a generic inspection checklist that is found in the some of> > t
he FAA > > circulars on how to inspect a homebuilt (there is an FAA> > circ
ular on > > how to inspect homebuilts). By the way there are numerous> > RV
> > inspection checklist examples on the World Wide Web.> > > > Guys=2C th
is is really not an issue. It seems more like an> > excuse to > > get rid o
f homebuilts.> > > > Bob> > RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West" > > > > > > > >
====> > >
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Please don't forget a valuable point here. What you state is exactly corre
ct for Standard category aircraft.=2C but does not apply to experimental ai
rcraft. The Operating Limitations assigned to each aircraft rule. And tha
t limitation states that you will conduct the condition inspection in accor
dance with the scope and detail of Appendix D of Part 43=2C or other approv
ed program (which rules for turbine aircraft).
Mike Robertson
Das Fed
In a message dated 9/4/2008 6:36:16 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time=2C rickpegse
r@yahoo.com writes:
part 91 we are not required to use the manufactures inspection.rick
Rick=2C
I don't agree with that statement!
Title 14 Code of Federal Regulations is pretty specific here. Part 91 Sec 9
1.409 says aircraft (read all aircraft under part 91) must have undergone a
n annual inspection in accordance with part 43 of this chapter within the p
receding 12 calendar months. That means all of 43. That means specifically
43.16 is applicable. Therefore an inspection or other maintenance specified
in an Airworthiness Limitations section of a manufacturer's maintenance ma
nual or Instructions for Continued Airworthiness=2C IS Mandatory!
Here are the sections quoted=2C underline=2C italics=2Cbold=2C emphasis min
e.
Federal Aviation RegulationSec. 91.409
Part 91 GENERAL OPERATING AND FLIGHT RULES
Subpart E--Maintenance=2C Preventive Maintenance=2C and Alterations
Sec. 91.409Inspections.(a) Except as provided in paragraph (c) of this sect
ion=2C no person may operate an aircraft unless=2C within the preceding 12
calendar months=2C it has had--(1) An annual inspection in accordance with
part 43 of this chapter and has been approved for return to service by a pe
rson authorized by Sec. 43.7 of this chapter=3B
Sec. 43.16Airworthiness Limitations.Each person performing an inspection or
other maintenance specified in an Airworthiness Limitations section of a m
anufacturer's maintenance manual or Instructions for Continued Airworthines
s shall perform the inspection or other maintenance in accordance with that
section=2C or in accordance with operations specifications approved by the
Administrator under part 121 or 135=2C or an inspection program approved u
nder Sec. 91.409(e).(e) Large airplanes (to which part 125 is not applicabl
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
Wow just re-read the post written by Rick, If I was an A&P I would be
pretty POed, I guess all you A&P are amateurs and us owner builders are
idiots.
This is WAY over the top. Rick I would sell your project now because you
are never going to fit into the RV community.
BTW I personally know DAS FED and have the greatest respect for his
knowledge and ability to inspect aircraft but I guess even though he
just an A&P and is an FAA inspector he is just an amateur. NOT
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--------------------------------------------------Rick
wrote-----------------------------------------------------------
> so you are going to have an a+p not an i/a do your conditional. go
for it. what you have basically asked is an apprentice, that has little
experience with the airframe or engine to say that everything is all
right. he has no experience with a/d research, does not not where to
find the service bulletins on experimental parts. and has seen a lot
less of the field failures that we deal with. so at this point we have
an amateur
> build aircraft , inspected by amateurs. owned by idoits. if you have
an a+p and are to lasy to take the test, then don't do inspections.
> rick
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
Dead on, Mike.
I have an A&E with IA in the hangar next to me. He doesn't "practice"
anymore, but offered good suggestions while I was building my RV6A.
I think I know more about the specific plane I spent 4-years building
than a causal observer or someone who spends perhaps an hour looking at
it. I don't mind suggestions, or even constructive critisims, but I know
that all examinations (like A&E, Law, Physiciams, etc) are all designed
to measure if the candidate has the MINIMUM knowledge to proceed. So
mere possession of any "credential" is always proof positive that the
person is all knowledgeable.
I do my own annual condtion inspections in strict accord with the
operating limitations, and feel very comfortable doing so...and have
done so for the past 13 or more years.
FWIW
John at Salida, CO
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
Milt,
FWIW, I think this is misguided and unfortunate.- It seems that you're de
stroying your own reputation with the rest of the group; and for what?- I
f you think you're in the gutter to fight a rat, then do you really think y
ou'll change his mind or teach him anything?- You'll just get muddy and b
loody and look like a hot-headed jerk to the rest.- Though Rick was clear
ly out of line with regard to his NASA generalizations, you proved yourself
quite the adolescent with your curse-filled tirade.- That language has n
o place on forums like this.
In my opinion, the only political discussions that should take place here s
hould relate to aviation.- For instance, will Gov Palin's strong support
for GA blunt McCains staunch support of user fees?- I doubt it, but let's
hope so.
As for political BS and misinformation, it seems there's plenty of lies to
go around.
-http://www.factcheck.org/
- Kyrilian
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--- On Fri, 9/5/08, N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com> wrote:
From: N395V <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
Subject: RV-List: Re: A&P Standard
<Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
> even like you did
Linn,
It has been my experience that if you are going to descend into the gutter
to
fight with a rat it is more effective if you use weapons similar to those u
sed
by the rat. Distasteful as that is they have a better appreciation for the
flavor of your response.
do not archive
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
[quote="kyrilian_av(at)yahoo.com"]Milt,
FWIW, I think this is misguided and unfortunate. It seems that you're destroying
your own reputation with the rest of the group; and for what? If you think
you're in the gutter to fight a rat, then do you really think you'll change his
mind or teach him anything? You'll just get muddy and bloody and look like
a hot-headed jerk to the rest. Though Rick was clearly out of line with regard
to his NASA generalizations, you proved yourself quite the adolescent with
your curse-filled tirade. That language has no place on forums like this.
In my opinion, the only political discussions that should take place here should
relate to aviation. For instance, will Gov Palin's strong support for GA blunt
McCains staunch support of user fees? I doubt it, but let's hope so.
As for political BS and misinformation, it seems there's plenty of lies to go
around.
http://www.factcheck.org/
- Kyrilian
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--- On Fri, 9/5/08, N395V wrote:
> From: N395V
> Subject: Re: A&P Standard
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 10:38 AM
>
>
> > Rocket2006 Radial Rocket
>
> [b]
You are entitled to your opinion. I am who I am and will not lose any sleep over
what my reputation may or may not be.
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Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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Hello:
I am considering buying the Efis-D10A, For those with this unit,
question 1- Do you find it, to work proplerly, and are you happy with
it.
2- How difficult is to connect. I am tired of working under that
crowded space,,,,All I need would be basic fuctions...
NO G or anyof the options...
Does any one has the schematic, drawings for connection..
it shows a 25 pin connector....do I have to have 25 wires????
Finally, when installing this unit, what instruments one remove
from the pannel....I believe the Attitud Ind. is out??
What happens if the unit fails? one would be without a very essential
tool..... for safety etc...
Your comments and suggestions appreciated...
Bert
rv6a
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Long and boring answer, delete if you are tired of this discussion.
>Excellent post and understandable. So here is a hypothetical question:
>Mr. John Jones builds an RX-4 and gets his AWC as an experimental
>Homebuilt Aircraft. But he decides since it is an experimental and
>he can do whatever he wants to he decides to use several non
>aircraft type parts and automotive wiring, plus RC model servo
>equipment for electric trims. Each year if he also obtained the A&P
>license for this aircraft can perform the conditional inspection.
Anybody can perform the conditional inspection. However, only the
repairman or an A&P can sign the logbook with the appropriate
statement in my operating conditions assigned to me by the FAA, I must sate:
"I certify that this aircraft has been inspected in accordance with the
scope and detail of Part 43, appendix D and found to be in a condition
for safe flight."
As far a non certified parts, when the aircraft receives the DAR
inspection, or in my case the FAA inspection, then non standard
parts, engineering, etc should be discussed and then evaluated by the
builder and inspector for its appropriateness for safe flight. My
FAA inspector did not allow me to do some things that I wanted, made
me change a few things. So just because it is an experimental, that
did not give me a license to do anything I wanted. A wild
example: I don't expect I would be allowed to hold my wings on with
rubber bands the way I do with some R/C aircraft! But, I can use a
non certified experimental oil filter for my formerly certified
Lycoming engine!
It is my opinion that many non certified parts/equipment are as good
or maybe better than the certified parts (yes I agree some are not,
buyer beware). But, we will never know, because most of the time the
reason a part is not certified is because of the extra cost and
burden associated with the testing and evaluation, i.e destructive
testing and the endless paper trail (this is good and bad).
>But then in year 4 he is real busy with work so he hires a licensed
>A&P mechanic to do his condition inspection. Does that A&P have the
>leisure to inspect this aircraft and have no concerns for the parts
>that were used in this aircraft? Is he in jeopardy if he inspects
>this aircraft and one of those parts causes an accident? This is my
>real question as an A&P has some obligation to follow the accepted
>practices in the aviation field but an experimental doesn't really
>have to meet the same criteria. It is an experiment.
Like anything in life there is a risk. I will give my opinion, but
the issue can only be resolved in a court of law, or with more
specific FAA regulations (which I don't think we need or want).
I have an obnoxious A&P/IA friend who has refused to do a conditional
inspection on a retaliative's homebuilt aircraft because parts
installed did not meet the detail of Part 43, appendix D. He has
done conditional inspections on numerous homebuilts. He uses his
professional judgment on the issue in question on whether the
aircraft is airworthy/safe or not. It is his right to refuse to do
the inspection, or to not sign the logbook if in his judgement he
determines the aircraft is not safe or unairworthy using Part 43,
appendix D as a guide. Yes if there is a part that fails
(experimental or certified) I am sure the FAA will question him if
there is a crash.
As for experimental parts. If the manufacturer installs this part,
i.e. the builder, even if the builder is Cessna , then by installing
the part, the manufacturer is making a statement that the part is
necessary and safe for flight and during testing will determine if
it is safe and or appropriate. The way I see it, once the FAA or DAR
inspector inspects the aircraft, it is as if by decree, all parts
(certified or non certified) are airworthy. Certified parts fail
(Slick Mags), non certified parts fail, the question would be, did
the part failure cause the crash, and was the part inspected or
checked using reasonable sound inspection techniques?
Some non certified parts/equipment give inspection criteria within
the owners manual, i.e. the Rocky Mountain Instruments Micro Encoder.
On the other hand , I have a non certified fuel injection system, how
does it get checked/inspected? The same way a certified fuel system
would be checked. I have a non certified Lycoming engine, it gets
inspected the same way a certified engine does.
Now 4 years later, I decide to change out a part because I designed a
new, better, faster, part (example: I build a tapered wing for my
RV6, spar and leading edge all the same, but aft ribs and trailing
edge is tapered). My operating procedures spell out what I must do
to maintain the airworthiness of my aircraft if I make a major
alteration such as this, (or if I just go from a fixed pitched prop
to a constant speed). I put my aircraft back into phase 1 testing
for 5 hours. After the 5 hours and I have worked all the bugs out, I
sign the log book with the work done and the test results. After
that time the A&P would be inspecting the airplane based upon the
changes made. Sort of like the STC/337 process.
On the other hand, I am not a professional builder, I have had many
A&P/IAs look at my aircraft to give me advice on how to, is it right,
is it safe. I welcome an A&P/IA comments/advice. Things that I did
not know how to do, I hired an A&P/IA to do the work and inspect it,
i.e. time the Mags and Mag inspection.
As far as parts go, I had to design and fabricate my own throttle
mixture bracket for a Fuel Injected servo. Vans did not have one,
nor did anyone else at the time. Non standard part, not even on the
aircraft plans. Of all the A&P/IAs that have checked my aircraft
(especially the engine installation) not one has ever mention
this! I often wonder why?
As I said before, this is really not a big issue, it is spelled out
in the FAA regulations on how to do it. It should also be in the
aircraft operating conditions that are required to be a part of the
aircraft documents. If this issue really bothers you, then don't
deal with homebuilts, simple solution.
Note: We are allowed to put auto engines in our homebuilts. What
better place to get parts and stuff for the installation than
"Autozone," .....well personally, I might use "Summit Racing," but
Autozone would do.
Bob
RV6 "Wicked Witch of the West"
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Hello:
Well finally I am ready to connect the Wing Leveler "Nav Aid"
but I cannot do center the "arm, I tried but is difficult
to do, since it has to be in place, mine is under the seat....hard
to work with...
So I wanted to ship the unit to Nav Aid, and pay them to center
lthe arm etc... I called but the numnber I have is not in service.
Does any one, knows the new number....?
Thanks,
Bert
rv6a
P>S. any one has a real clear picture of the servo, and how
you center the thing???Any one near DELand Aiport...(DED)
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid question |
bert murillo wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> Well finally I am ready to connect the Wing Leveler "Nav Aid"
> but I cannot do center the "arm, I tried but is difficult
> to do, since it has to be in place, mine is under the seat....hard
> to work with...
>
> So I wanted to ship the unit to Nav Aid, and pay them to center
> lthe arm etc... I called but the numnber I have is not in service.
>
> Does any one, knows the new number....?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
> rv6a
>
> P>S. any one has a real clear picture of the servo, and how
> you center the thing???Any one near DELand Aiport...(DED)
Bert,
Navaid is out of business. I am not aware of anyone who offers service
or parts for the system.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
Milt,
I would be a little more inclined to just see your response as you
apparently see it -- justified by the exceptional circumstances -- had I not
seen you do the same thing when totally unjustified. Over the years I find
that I usually agree with your opinions but I find the way you sometimes
express them disgusting and way off base on these public Matronics lists. Do
us all a favor and follow the rules you agreed to when you signed for the
list. Maybe you don't care about your reputation and maybe you see yourself
as someone above rules that are for the rest of us -- but you are
contaminating it for at least many of us.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 12:10 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: A&P Standard
[quote="kyrilian_av(at)yahoo.com"]Milt,
FWIW, I think this is misguided and unfortunate. It seems that you're
destroying your own reputation with the rest of the group; and for what? If
you think you're in the gutter to fight a rat, then do you really think
you'll change his mind or teach him anything? You'll just get muddy and
bloody and look like a hot-headed jerk to the rest. Though Rick was clearly
out of line with regard to his NASA generalizations, you proved yourself
quite the adolescent with your curse-filled tirade. That language has no
place on forums like this.
In my opinion, the only political discussions that should take place here
should relate to aviation. For instance, will Gov Palin's strong support
for GA blunt McCains staunch support of user fees? I doubt it, but let's
hope so.
As for political BS and misinformation, it seems there's plenty of lies to
go around.
http://www.factcheck.org/
- Kyrilian
Do not archive
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, N395V wrote:
> From: N395V
> Subject: Re: A&P Standard
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 10:38 AM
>
>
been my experience that if you are going to descend into the gutter tofight
with a rat it is more effective if you use weapons similar to those usedby
the rat. Distasteful as that is they have a better appreciation for
theflavor of your response.do not archive--------Milt2003 F1
> > Rocket2006 Radial Rocket
>
> [b]
You are entitled to your opinion. I am who I am and will not lose any sleep
over what my reputation may or may not be.
do not archive
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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This is an adjustment you can do yourself. You will find you will also need
to reposition the gear that drives the feedback potentiometer as well. The
instructions cover this, but not well.
Recommend you find an RV builder in the area who has already done this.
My Navaid has been flying for five years and works as advertised. It did
take some tweaking however to get it zeroed out such that the wings are
level with the "Trim" and "Turn" panel controls in the mid (pointing
straight up) position. This tweaking can only be done with the servo
installed and the servo cover removed, so sending it back to the factory is
not an option.
The next autopilot will be a new servo connected to the Dynon EFIS that is
already in the panel.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:57 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Navaid question
bert murillo wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
> Well finally I am ready to connect the Wing Leveler "Nav Aid"
> but I cannot do center the "arm, I tried but is difficult
> to do, since it has to be in place, mine is under the seat....hard
> to work with...
>
> So I wanted to ship the unit to Nav Aid, and pay them to center
> lthe arm etc... I called but the numnber I have is not in service.
>
> Does any one, knows the new number....?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bert
> rv6a
>
> P>S. any one has a real clear picture of the servo, and how
> you center the thing???Any one near DELand Aiport...(DED)
Bert,
Navaid is out of business. I am not aware of anyone who offers service
or parts for the system.
Sam Buchanan
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
I'm new to these forum sites and because of this show of who's the biggest
jerk I'm not sure it's worth being a member. Will you guys please let it GO.
I'm very excited to be building the first airplane I will own and fly.
Please make this a site with info and not petty fights.
Again get over it and LET IT GO.
Mike Schulz
Pro Fish Enterprises, LLC
4878 Edgewater Drive
Mound, MN 55364
612-590-8604
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: A&P Standard
[quote="kyrilian_av(at)yahoo.com"]Milt,
FWIW, I think this is misguided and unfortunate. It seems that you're
destroying your own reputation with the rest of the group; and for what? If
you think you're in the gutter to fight a rat, then do you really think
you'll change his mind or teach him anything? You'll just get muddy and
bloody and look like a hot-headed jerk to the rest. Though Rick was clearly
out of line with regard to his NASA generalizations, you proved yourself
quite the adolescent with your curse-filled tirade. That language has no
place on forums like this.
In my opinion, the only political discussions that should take place here
should relate to aviation. For instance, will Gov Palin's strong support
for GA blunt McCains staunch support of user fees? I doubt it, but let's
hope so.
As for political BS and misinformation, it seems there's plenty of lies to
go around.
http://www.factcheck.org/
- Kyrilian
Do not archive
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, N395V wrote:
> From: N395V
> Subject: Re: A&P Standard
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 10:38 AM
>
>
been my experience that if you are going to descend into the gutter tofight
with a rat it is more effective if you use weapons similar to those usedby
the rat. Distasteful as that is they have a better appreciation for
theflavor of your response.do not archive--------Milt2003 F1
> > Rocket2006 Radial Rocket
>
> [b]
You are entitled to your opinion. I am who I am and will not lose any sleep
over what my reputation may or may not be.
do not archive
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
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| Subject: | Re: Efis Question |
I have it and yes it works great! Not real hard to connect, you'll have
to tee into the pitot and static lines, and run a few wires (not 25).
You can see how I have mine in my panel in the attached pictures. The G
meter is just an option that is available and does not require any thing
extra to install. The second picture I attached is the optional screen
you can bring up if you have a Garmin GPS wired into it.
----
Surfing the web from Hopkinsville, KY
Visit my website at: http://www.geocities.com/hester-hoptown/RVSite/
bert murillo wrote:
>
> Hello:
>
>
> I am considering buying the Efis-D10A, For those with this unit,
> question 1- Do you find it, to work proplerly, and are you happy with
> it.
>
> 2- How difficult is to connect. I am tired of working under that
> crowded space,,,,All I need would be basic fuctions...
>
> NO G or anyof the options...
>
> Does any one has the schematic, drawings for connection..
>
> it shows a 25 pin connector....do I have to have 25 wires????
>
> Finally, when installing this unit, what instruments one remove
> from the pannel....I believe the Attitud Ind. is out??
>
> What happens if the unit fails? one would be without a very essential
> tool..... for safety etc...
>
> Your comments and suggestions appreciated...
>
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
> Do not Archive
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Re: Builder Available! |
This is a long read but offers some background as to why A&Ps IA are concerned
about liability.
http://www.avweb.com/news/savvyaviator/savvy_aviator_51_mechanics_liability_196570-1.html
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
Mike
Sometimes this is just the way it is. Just give your DELETE button a work out.
It will blow over sooner or later - it always does. These forums are GREAT. You
need to take the good with the (not to often) bad. Ya tell them to knock it
off it often feeds the fire. Stick with it. It is more than worth it. Some day
there will be something you are passionate about, then it will not seem like
you are "beating a dead horse". Again hit delete stick with it and you WILL enjoy
the information here. Well 99% of the time :)
Mike Divan
N64GH - RV6,flying :)
SLOW 7 Builder :(
EAA - 577486
FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS!
----- Original Message ----
From: Mike Schulz <mike@profishenterprises.com>
Sent: Friday, September 5, 2008 2:45:41 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: A&P Standard
I'm new to these forum sites and because of this show of who's the biggest
jerk I'm not sure it's worth being a member. Will you guys please let it GO.
I'm very excited to be building the first airplane I will own and fly.
Please make this a site with info and not petty fights.
Again get over it and LET IT GO.
Mike Schulz
Pro Fish Enterprises, LLC
4878 Edgewater Drive
Mound, MN 55364
612-590-8604
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 2:10 PM
Subject: RV-List: Re: A&P Standard
[quote="kyrilian_av(at)yahoo.com"]Milt,
FWIW, I think this is misguided and unfortunate. It seems that you're
destroying your own reputation with the rest of the group; and for what? If
you think you're in the gutter to fight a rat, then do you really think
you'll change his mind or teach him anything? You'll just get muddy and
bloody and look like a hot-headed jerk to the rest. Though Rick was clearly
out of line with regard to his NASA generalizations, you proved yourself
quite the adolescent with your curse-filled tirade. That language has no
place on forums like this.
In my opinion, the only political discussions that should take place here
should relate to aviation. For instance, will Gov Palin's strong support
for GA blunt McCains staunch support of user fees? I doubt it, but let's
hope so.
As for political BS and misinformation, it seems there's plenty of lies to
go around.
http://www.factcheck.org/
- Kyrilian
Do not archive
--- On Fri, 9/5/08, N395V wrote:
> From: N395V
> Subject: Re: A&P Standard
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Friday, September 5, 2008, 10:38 AM
>
>
been my experience that if you are going to descend into the gutter tofight
with a rat it is more effective if you use weapons similar to those usedby
the rat. Distasteful as that is they have a better appreciation for
theflavor of your response.do not archive--------Milt2003 F1
> > Rocket2006 Radial Rocket
>
> [b]
You are entitled to your opinion. I am who I am and will not lose any sleep
over what my reputation may or may not be.
do not archive
--------
Milt
2003 F1 Rocket
2006 Radial Rocket
Read this topic online here:
http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2792#202792
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| Subject: | Re: Builder Available! |
I had no problem understanding why they are concerned about liability.
No matter what the trade, if you're in a service industry, you're
between a rock and a hard place. The threat of legal action is one of
the reasons I gave up my consulting business. No matter how well I
wrote a contract and followed it ..... All a customer had to do is file
suit for non-performance and I was hosed. Right or wrong, doesn't
matter. Milt's right ... there is good reason to be concerned. I lay
the blame on the legal profession that can dismiss people on the jury
for no explained reason (but it was really because they were
knowledgeable) so you end up with OJ Simpsons jury ...... and the fact
that it's less costly to capitulate when you're right. The suit
against EAA for a crash at a fly-in and the one against the vacuum pump
manufacturer are prime examples. And the newest one against the carb
manufacturer. Nobody is immune. And that's going to ruin this country.
Linn
do not archive
N395V wrote:
>
> This is a long read but offers some background as to why A&Ps IA are concerned
about liability.
>
> http://www.avweb.com/news/savvyaviator/savvy_aviator_51_mechanics_liability_196570-1.html
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2837#202837
>
>
>
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Bert,
I replaced an electric RC Allen AI with the D10A. I feed it with the serial
output from my GX-60 GPS nav/comm, and will also feed it from a SL-30
nav/comm when I save up a few more pennies.
In short, the D10A has done everything Dynon advertises it would do, and
considering the continuous (and free) software upgrades from Dynon I expect
it will do more in the future. The D10A is about the best bang for the buck
as you can get.
Some thoughts:
1. Get the EDC D10A remote compass. While I flew with just the internal
compass for a few months and found it to work well, the external compass is
far easier to calibrate and it is required if you want to input outside air
temperature into the D10A. With outside air temperature the D10A provides
continuous True Air Speed indication as well as wind direction and wind
speed. I find I use this wind information far more than I expected and now
would not want to be without it.
2. As I have dual batteries I did not get the battery backup. Your install
may be different.
3. As I only removed the AI to install the D10A, I still have all the
standard steam gauges (air speed, altitude, vertical speed). Considering
the minor cost, I would recommend having these standard instruments in the
panel along with the D10A.
4. The HSI function works just as good as a standard HSI.
5. If you are going to use the D10A for glide slope and localizer
indication, you should consider getting two D10As. That way you can keep
the normal display up on one and HSI on the other. Considering the cost of
a CDI head these day, a second D10A make a whole lot more sense than putting
a standalone CDI in the panel.
6. If you can solder wires to a D connector, you can install the D10A.
7. Dynon has a list of known GPS and Nav radios that customer report
working with the D10A. You should call them to see if what you are planning
to feed it is on the list or not.
8. While the D10A does not need GPS input to work, the GPS input provides
the data to compute wind speed and direction. Either a GPS or a Nav input
is needed of course for HSI functions.
9. I have a Navaid wing level for my autopilot. When it dies I'll get the
Dynon servo and feed it off the D10A. Again the best bang for the buck for
an autopilot.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo
Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 3:19 PM
Subject: RV-List: Efis Question
Hello:
I am considering buying the Efis-D10A, For those with this unit,
question 1- Do you find it, to work proplerly, and are you happy with
it.
2- How difficult is to connect. I am tired of working under that
crowded space,,,,All I need would be basic fuctions...
NO G or anyof the options...
Does any one has the schematic, drawings for connection..
it shows a 25 pin connector....do I have to have 25 wires????
Finally, when installing this unit, what instruments one remove
from the pannel....I believe the Attitud Ind. is out??
What happens if the unit fails? one would be without a very essential
tool..... for safety etc...
Your comments and suggestions appreciated...
Bert
rv6a
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| Subject: | Re: Navaid question |
Your other option (though much more expensive) is to just leave the servo in
place and install the trio control head. It has software that will
compensate for a non-centered servo.
Dave Leonard
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 2:35 PM, Carl Froehlich <carl.froehlich@cox.net>wrote:
>
> This is an adjustment you can do yourself. You will find you will also
> need
> to reposition the gear that drives the feedback potentiometer as well. The
> instructions cover this, but not well.
>
> Recommend you find an RV builder in the area who has already done this.
>
> My Navaid has been flying for five years and works as advertised. It did
> take some tweaking however to get it zeroed out such that the wings are
> level with the "Trim" and "Turn" panel controls in the mid (pointing
> straight up) position. This tweaking can only be done with the servo
> installed and the servo cover removed, so sending it back to the factory is
> not an option.
>
> The next autopilot will be a new servo connected to the Dynon EFIS that is
> already in the panel.
>
> Carl Froehlich
> RV-8A (450 hrs)
> RV-10 (fuselage)
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Sam Buchanan
> Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 4:57 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Navaid question
>
>
> bert murillo wrote:
> >
> > Hello:
> >
> > Well finally I am ready to connect the Wing Leveler "Nav Aid"
> > but I cannot do center the "arm, I tried but is difficult
> > to do, since it has to be in place, mine is under the seat....hard
> > to work with...
> >
> > So I wanted to ship the unit to Nav Aid, and pay them to center
> > lthe arm etc... I called but the numnber I have is not in service.
> >
> > Does any one, knows the new number....?
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Bert
> > rv6a
> >
> > P>S. any one has a real clear picture of the servo, and how
> > you center the thing???Any one near DELand Aiport...(DED)
>
>
> Bert,
>
> Navaid is out of business. I am not aware of anyone who offers service
> or parts for the system.
>
> Sam Buchanan
>
>
--
David Leonard
Turbo Rotary RV-6 N4VY
http://N4VY.RotaryRoster.net
http://RotaryRoster.net
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| Subject: | Re: A&P Standard |
Mike=2C go to vansairforce.net builders there with great current ideas....
...................
Dana Overall
Richmond=2C KY i39
RV-7 slider "Black Magic"
Flying..well sorta=2C useta=2C kinda
Barrett Precision O 360 A1A
Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2
http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4
http://rvflying.tripod.com
do not archive
> From: mike@profishenterprises.com
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: A&P Standard
> Date: Fri=2C 5 Sep 2008 16:45:41 -0500
>
>
>
> I'm new to these forum sites and because of this show of who's the bigges
t
> jerk I'm not sure it's worth being a member. Will you guys please let it
GO.
> I'm very excited to be building the first airplane I will own and fly.
> Please make this a site with info and not petty fights.
> Again get over it and LET IT GO.
>
> Mike Schulz
> Pro Fish Enterprises=2C LLC
> 4878 Edgewater Drive
> Mound=2C MN 55364
> 612-590-8604
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of N395V
> Sent: Friday=2C September 05=2C 2008 2:10 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Re: A&P Standard
>
>
> [quote="kyrilian_av(at)yahoo.com"]Milt=2C
>
> FWIW=2C I think this is misguided and unfortunate. It seems that you're
> destroying your own reputation with the rest of the group=3B and for what
? If
> you think you're in the gutter to fight a rat=2C then do you really think
> you'll change his mind or teach him anything? You'll just get muddy and
> bloody and look like a hot-headed jerk to the rest. Though Rick was clea
rly
> out of line with regard to his NASA generalizations=2C you proved yoursel
f
> quite the adolescent with your curse-filled tirade. That language has no
> place on forums like this.
>
> In my opinion=2C the only political discussions that should take place he
re
> should relate to aviation. For instance=2C will Gov Palin's strong suppo
rt
> for GA blunt McCains staunch support of user fees? I doubt it=2C but let
's
> hope so.
>
> As for political BS and misinformation=2C it seems there's plenty of lie
s to
> go around.
> http://www.factcheck.org/
>
> - Kyrilian
> Do not archive
>
> --- On Fri=2C 9/5/08=2C N395V wrote:
>
> > From: N395V
> > Subject: Re: A&P Standard
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com
> > Date: Friday=2C September 5=2C 2008=2C 10:38 AM
> >
> >
s
> been my experience that if you are going to descend into the gutter tofig
ht
> with a rat it is more effective if you use weapons similar to those usedb
y
> the rat. Distasteful as that is they have a better appreciation for
> theflavor of your response.do not archive--------Milt2003 F1
> > > Rocket2006 Radial Rocket
> >
>
>
> > [b]
>
>
> You are entitled to your opinion. I am who I am and will not lose any sle
ep
> over what my reputation may or may not be.
>
> do not archive
>
> --------
> Milt
> 2003 F1 Rocket
> 2006 Radial Rocket
>
>
>
>
> Read this topic online here:
>
> http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 2792#202792
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | A request for action |
This is going to take a bit=2C so if you don't want to get involved this is
a good time to hit delete.
Gentleman=2C and any ladies that may still be with us=2C
I have a request for all of you that =2C if heard=2C will benefit everyone.
Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first RV in 1998=2C
and have been building and flying RV's ever since.
Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in certificating an
d overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen a very disturbing tr
end that I feel now needs to be addressed. And that is the lack of service
you have receiving from the Flight Standards Offices. I am requesting tha
t all of you call=2C or email=2C you US Representative and/or US Senator=2C
and let them know that you are NOT receiving service from the FAA that you
r tax dollars are paying for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a p
rivate user fee for quite some time now=2C and you have the right to tell t
hem it needs to stop. And this involves your having to pay for certificati
on of your amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to chan
ge the Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs
you are going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that you
keep my name out of it off of this list.
Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain the system
just a little so you can be somewhat educated.
Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting inspe
ctions and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft=2C be they St
andard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the Manufacturing
Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight Standards District Office
s (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs
are located with the regional offices=2C thus very far from most of us. T
here are only 9 MIDOs in the country.
Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight standard
s has made the decision that focusing on inspections of scheduled Air Carri
ers (i.e=2C United Airlines=2C etc.) gives them the biggest bang for the bu
ck=2C if you will. If the Flight Standards management had their way ALL gen
eral aviation would have to use designees and pay for service. And that is
exactly what they are trying to do through the back door.
Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an inspection
done=2C they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no longer do in
spections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job description of every airw
orthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted=2C many of them do not know anythi
ng about the types of aircraft we build but there are many many more who do
know=2C want to do them=2C and have the time do do them=2C but management
within the Flight Standards has declared=2C in writing=2C that we are not t
o bother with Amateur-builders=2C and are to send everyone to a DAR=2C irre
gardless of what it may cost you=2C the builder.
Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the right to
receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not get me wrong
. As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco=2C inspecting big
air carriers is important. But general aviation inspectors do NOT routinel
y inspect big air carriers.. We inspect general aviation operators=2C such
as charter operations=2C flight schools=2C crop dusters=2C and repair stati
ons. And at no additional cost to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness
inspectors could include certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their
surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often enough t
o include everyone=2C if we were allowed.
I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of telling
people 'no'=2C I can't help you even though I have the expertise and the t
ime. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspectors who feel the
same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the system. It has
to come from outside=2C and that is why I am asking for all of you to take
action. Contact your Representatives=2C Senators=2C the EAA=2C and AOPA an
d let them know that you are not happy about what is happening.
Mike R.
RV Builder
Tech Counselor
A&P
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