---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 09/06/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:16 AM - Re: A request for action (Bruce Bell) 2. 06:34 AM - Re: Efis Question (Marty Helller) 3. 07:13 AM - Re: A request for action (John Cox) 4. 07:14 AM - Re: A request for action (William Gill) 5. 07:46 AM - Re: A request for action (Larry Bowen) 6. 11:12 AM - Re: A request for action (you asked) (Charlie England) 7. 01:39 PM - Re: A request for action (you asked) (Paul Rice) 8. 02:24 PM - Dimpling of Elevator Trim Tab Piano Hinge ???? (Garey Wittich) 9. 02:48 PM - Re: A request for action (you asked) (Bill Boyd) 10. 02:53 PM - Strobe switch problem (Charles Brame) 11. 04:08 PM - Re: Strobe switch problem (linn Walters) 12. 04:36 PM - Re: Dimpling of Elevator Trim Tab Piano Hinge ???? (MikeNellis) 13. 05:10 PM - Re: Strobe switch problem (Vanremog@aol.com) 14. 05:13 PM - Re: A request for action (you asked) (Vanremog@aol.com) 15. 09:01 PM - Re: A request for action (you asked) (Jerry Springer) 16. 09:08 PM - Re: A request for action (you asked) (Vanremog@aol.com) 17. 11:13 PM - Re: Strobe switch problem (Ed Holyoke) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:16:13 AM PST US From: " Bruce Bell" Subject: Re: RV-List: A request for action Thank you for going out on the line! Bruce Bell Lubbock, Texas RV-4 #2888 N23BB ----- Original Message ----- From: Mike Robertson To: rv list Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:46 AM Subject: RV-List: A request for action This is going to take a bit, so if you don't want to get involved this is a good time to hit delete. Gentleman, and any ladies that may still be with us, I have a request for all of you that , if heard, will benefit everyone. Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first RV in 1998, and have been building and flying RV's ever since. Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in certificating and overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen a very disturbing trend that I feel now needs to be addressed. And that is the lack of service you have receiving from the Flight Standards Offices. I am requesting that all of you call, or email, you US Representative and/or US Senator, and let them know that you are NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollars are paying for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee for quite some time now, and you have the right to tell them it needs to stop. And this involves your having to pay for certification of your amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs you are going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that you keep my name out of it off of this list. Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain the system just a little so you can be somewhat educated. Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft, be they Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the Manufacturing Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs are located with the regional offices, thus very far from most of us. There are only 9 MIDOs in the country. Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight standards has made the decision that focusing on inspections of scheduled Air Carriers (i.e, United Airlines, etc.) gives them the biggest bang for the buck, if you will. If the Flight Standards management had their way ALL general aviation would have to use designees and pay for service. And that is exactly what they are trying to do through the back door. Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an inspection done, they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no longer do inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job description of every airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted, many of them do not know anything about the types of aircraft we build but there are many many more who do know, want to do them, and have the time do do them, but management within the Flight Standards has declared, in writing, that we are not to bother with Amateur-builders, and are to send everyone to a DAR, irregardless of what it may cost you, the builder. Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the right to receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not get me wrong. As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco, inspecting big air carriers is important. But general aviation inspectors do NOT routinely inspect big air carriers.. We inspect general aviation operators, such as charter operations, flight schools, crop dusters, and repair stations. And at no additional cost to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors could include certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often enough to include everyone, if we were allowed. I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of telling people 'no', I can't help you even though I have the expertise and the time. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspectors who feel the same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the system. It has to come from outside, and that is why I am asking for all of you to take action. Contact your Representatives, Senators, the EAA, and AOPA and let them know that you are not happy about what is happening. Mike R. RV Builder Tech Counselor A&P Das *** ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97nkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/' target='_new'>See Now ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:07 AM PST US From: Marty Helller Subject: RE: RV-List: Efis Question FWIW=2C Talking with the DYNON president at AirVenture=2C he stated they ar e trying to add synthetic vision to their system next year. Marty Heller RV-7=2C fitting canopy > From: carl.froehlich@cox.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV- List: Efis Question> Date: Fri=2C 5 Sep 2008 22:47:55 -0400> > --> RV-List message posted by: "Carl Froehlich" > > Bert=2C> > I replaced an electric RC Allen AI with the D10A. I feed it with the serial > output from my GX-60 GPS nav/comm=2C and will also feed it from a SL-30> nav/comm when I save up a few more pennies.> > In short=2C the D10A has don e everything Dynon advertises it would do=2C and> considering the continuou s (and free) software upgrades from Dynon I expect> it will do more in the future. The D10A is about the best bang for the buck> as you can get.> > So me thoughts:> 1. Get the EDC D10A remote compass. While I flew with just th e internal> compass for a few months and found it to work well=2C the exter nal compass is> far easier to calibrate and it is required if you want to i nput outside air> temperature into the D10A. With outside air temperature t he D10A provides> continuous True Air Speed indication as well as wind dire ction and wind> speed. I find I use this wind information far more than I e xpected and now> would not want to be without it. > 2. As I have dual batte ries I did not get the battery backup. Your install> may be different.> 3. As I only removed the AI to install the D10A=2C I still have all the> stand ard steam gauges (air speed=2C altitude=2C vertical speed). Considering> th e minor cost=2C I would recommend having these standard instruments in the> panel along with the D10A.> 4. The HSI function works just as good as a st andard HSI.> 5. If you are going to use the D10A for glide slope and locali zer> indication=2C you should consider getting two D10As. That way you can keep> the normal display up on one and HSI on the other. Considering the co st of> a CDI head these day=2C a second D10A make a whole lot more sense th an putting> a standalone CDI in the panel.> 6. If you can solder wires to a D connector=2C you can install the D10A.> 7. Dynon has a list of known GPS and Nav radios that customer report> working with the D10A. You should cal l them to see if what you are planning> to feed it is on the list or not. > 8. While the D10A does not need GPS input to work=2C the GPS input provide s> the data to compute wind speed and direction. Either a GPS or a Nav inpu t> is needed of course for HSI functions.> 9. I have a Navaid wing level fo r my autopilot. When it dies I'll get the> Dynon servo and feed it off the D10A. Again the best bang for the buck for> an autopilot. > > Carl Froehlic h> RV-8A (450 hrs)> RV-10 (fuselage)> > -----Original Message-----> From: o wner-rv-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.c om] On Behalf Of bert murillo> Sent: Friday=2C September 05=2C 2008 3:19 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Efis Question> > --> RV-List message posted by: bert murillo > > Hello:> > > I a m considering buying the Efis-D10A=2C For those with this unit=2C> question 1- Do you find it=2C to work proplerly=2C and are you happy with> it.> > 2 - How difficult is to connect. I am tired of working under that> crowded sp ace=2C=2C=2C=2CAll I need would be basic fuctions...> > NO G or anyof the o ptions...> > Does any one has the schematic=2C drawings for connection..> > it shows a 25 pin connector....do I have to have 25 wires????> > Finally =2C when installing this unit=2C what instruments one remove> from the pann el....I believe the Attitud Ind. is out??> > What happens if the unit fails ? one would be without a very essential> tool..... for safety etc...> > You r comments and suggestions appreciated...> > > Bert> > rv6a> > Do not Archi ==========> > > _________________________________________________________________ Get more out of the Web. Learn 10 hidden secrets of Windows Live. http://windowslive.com/connect/post/jamiethomson.spaces.live.com-Blog-cns!5 50F681DAD532637!5295.entry?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_domore_092008 ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:13:39 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: A request for action From: "John Cox" Mike, your contribution to the RV-10 community, the RV community and the Experimental Built Amateur Owned community has been valued over the years. Your loss to the Oregon community has become Spokane's gain. I think of you at every EAA 105 breakfast just like this morning. I support whole heartedly the value in owners seeking their Airworthiness Inspectors insight, training and wisdom in the certification process of OBAM aircraft. I am only aware of one Inspector nationwide who like some DARs are repetitively signing off aircraft mass produced by Pro Builders. Most are an invaluable resource to make our projects safer. I found with my 23 years while serving as a DPE for NM-09 that the staff and inspectors, both Ops and Airworthiness to be a wonderful resource for aviation. You civil servants have too often been maligned and few understand the long hours and dedication you provide. For those of you reading this, take Mike's heed and write your legislators. In Oregon we have Rep. DeFazio and may soon have VP Sarah Palin who has come out in support of GA on behalf of her husband (the family pilot). We need all the friends we can get to preserve our wonderful activity. Make your voices heard and your tax dollars count. John Cox RV Builder Tech Counselor A&P I/A Airline Mechanic Pilot Voter From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:46 PM Subject: RV-List: A request for action This is going to take a bit, so if you don't want to get involved this is a good time to hit delete. Gentleman, and any ladies that may still be with us, I have a request for all of you that , if heard, will benefit everyone. Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first RV in 1998, and have been building and flying RV's ever since. Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in certificating and overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen a very disturbing trend that I feel now needs to be addressed. And that is the lack of service you have receiving from the Flight Standards Offices. I am requesting that all of you call, or email, you US Representative and/or US Senator, and let them know that you are NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollars are paying for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee for quite some time now, and you have the right to tell them it needs to stop. And this involves your having to pay for certification of your amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs you are going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that you keep my name out of it off of this list. Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain the system just a little so you can be somewhat educated. Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft, be they Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the Manufacturing Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs are located with the regional offices, thus very far from most of us. There are only 9 MIDOs in the country. Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight standards has made the decision that focusing on inspections of scheduled Air Carriers (i.e, United Airlines, etc.) gives them the biggest bang for the buck, if you will. If the Flight Standards management had their way ALL general aviation would have to use designees and pay for service. And that is exactly what they are trying to do through the back door. Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an inspection done, they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no longer do inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job description of every airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted, many of them do not know anything about the types of aircraft we build but there are many many more who do know, want to do them, and have the time do do them, but management within the Flight Standards has declared, in writing, that we are not to bother with Amateur-builders, and are to send everyone to a DAR, irregardless of what it may cost you, the builder. Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the right to receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not get me wrong. As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco, inspecting big air carriers is important. But general aviation inspectors do NOT routinely inspect big air carriers.. We inspect general aviation operators, such as charter operations, flight schools, crop dusters, and repair stations. And at no additional cost to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors could include certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often enough to include everyone, if we were allowed. I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of telling people 'no', I can't help you even though I have the expertise and the time. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspectors who feel the same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the system. It has to come from outside, and that is why I am asking for all of you to take action. Contact your Representatives, Senators, the EAA, and AOPA and let them know that you are not happy about what is happening. Mike R. RV Builder Tech Counselor A&P Das *** ________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-nkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/' target='_new'>See Now ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:14:14 AM PST US From: "William Gill" Subject: RE: RV-List: A request for action Hello Mike, When I was ready for my inspection last year, I called the Kansas City FSDO and was told EXACTLY what you are informing us about. I got the "lack of budget" because of failure to pass the "User Fee" legislation and was told to contact a DAR. I explained that I was entitled to the FREE services of the FAA as a result of my tax dollars. They finally agreed to do the inspection, but informed me that they would only grant a minimal test area for the RV-7 during a required 40-hour phase one. The FAA obviously wanted no part of the experimental airworthiness inspections. Since I wanted (and needed) a larger test area, I reluctantly contacted a DAR and paid for the service. You're right, the current treatment/actions of the FAA is unwarranted and unfair. Now, I'm actually seeing the experimentals getting MORE attention from the FAA in the KC FSDO area - from equipment installations (trying to tell us what's legal - WRONG), ramp checks, and airworthiness inspections. It appears that the high fuel costs are significantly reducing GA operations, especially for the Spam Cans. Overall, the fuel efficient experimentals are flying more regularly than the certified ships. As a result, I believe the FAA uses the increasing numbers of experimentals to justify their jobs or reqs for additional positions. Bill -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson Sent: Saturday, September 06, 2008 1:46 AM Subject: RV-List: A request for action This is going to take a bit, so if you don't want to get involved this is a good time to hit delete. Gentleman, and any ladies that may still be with us, I have a request for all of you that , if heard, will benefit everyone. Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first RV in 1998, and have been building and flying RV's ever since. Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in certificating and overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen a very disturbing trend that I feel now needs to be addressed. And that is the lack of service you have receiving from the Flight Standards Offices. I am requesting that all of you call, or email, you US Representative and/or US Senator, and let them know that you are NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollars are paying for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee for quite some time now, and you have the right to tell them it needs to stop. And this involves your having to pay for certification of your amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs you are going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that you keep my name out of it off of this list. Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain the system just a little so you can be somewhat educated. Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft, be they Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the Manufacturing Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight Standards District Offices (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs are located with the regional offices, thus very far from most of us. There are only 9 MIDOs in the country. Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight standards has made the decision that focusing on inspections of scheduled Air Carriers (i.e, United Airlines, etc.) gives them the biggest bang for the buck, if you will. If the Flight Standards management had their way ALL general aviation would have to use designees and pay for service. And that is exactly what they are trying to do through the back door. Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an inspection done, they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no longer do inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job description of every airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted, many of them do not know anything about the types of aircraft we build but there are many many more who do know, want to do them, and have the time do do them, but management within the Flight Standards has declared, in writing, that we are not to bother with Amateur-builders, and are to send everyone to a DAR, irregardless of what it may cost you, the builder. Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the right to receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not get me wrong. As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco, inspecting big air carriers is important. But general aviation inspectors do NOT routinely inspect big air carriers.. We inspect general aviation operators, such as charter operations, flight schools, crop dusters, and repair stations. And at no additional cost to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors could include certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often enough to include everyone, if we were allowed. I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of telling people 'no', I can't help you even though I have the expertise and the time. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspectors who feel the same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the system. It has to come from outside, and that is why I am asking for all of you to take action. Contact your Representatives, Senators, the EAA, and AOPA and let them know that you are not happy about what is happening. Mike R. RV Builder Tech Counselor A&P Das *** _____ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together-nkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/' target='_new'>See Now ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:46:52 AM PST US From: "Larry Bowen" Subject: Re: RV-List: A request for action Despite the opinions I was wasting my time, I contacted the FSDO @ GSO for my RV-8 inspection back in 2004. It worked out great. The inspector was professional, interested, and a joy to work with. He even had to come out a second time after I had fixed a CS prop that would not cycle. Moral of the story: it usually doesn't hurts to ask! -- Larry Bowen Larry@BowenAero.com http://BowenAero.com RV-7 QB fuse ... On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 10:11 AM, John Cox wrote: > Mike, your contribution to the RV-10 community, the RV community and the > Experimental Built Amateur Owned community has been valued over the years. > Your loss to the Oregon community has become Spokane's gain. I think of you > at every EAA 105 breakfast just like this morning. > > > I support whole heartedly the value in owners seeking their Airworthiness > Inspectors insight, training and wisdom in the certification process of OBAM > aircraft. I am only aware of one Inspector nationwide who like some DARs > are repetitively signing off aircraft mass produced by Pro Builders. Mos t > are an invaluable resource to make our projects safer. I found with my 23 > years while serving as a DPE for NM-09 that the staff and inspectors, bot h > Ops and Airworthiness to be a wonderful resource for aviation. You civil > servants have too often been maligned and few understand the long hours and > dedication you provide. > > > For those of you reading this, take Mike's heed and write your legislators. > In Oregon we have Rep. DeFazio and may soon have VP Sarah Palin who has come > out in support of GA on behalf of her husband (the family pilot). We nee d > all the friends we can get to preserve our wonderful activity. Make your > voices heard and your tax dollars count. > > > John Cox > > RV Builder > > Tech Counselor > > A&P I/A > > Airline Mechanic > > Pilot > > Voter > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Mike Robertson > Sent: Friday, September 05, 2008 11:46 PM > To: rv list > Subject: RV-List: A request for action > > > This is going to take a bit, so if you don't want to get involved this is a > good time to hit delete. > > Gentleman, and any ladies that may still be with us, > > I have a request for all of you that , if heard, will benefit everyone. > Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first RV in 1998, an d > have been building and flying RV's ever since. > > Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in certificating and > overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen a very disturbing trend > that I feel now needs to be addressed. And that is the lack of service you > have receiving from the Flight Standards Offices. I am requesting that all > of you call, or email, you US Representative and/or US Senator, and let them > know that you are NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollar s > are paying for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee > for quite some time now, and you have the right to tell them it needs to > stop. And this involves your having to pay for certification of your > amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the > Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs you are > going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that you keep m y > name out of it off of this list. > > Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain > the system just a little so you can be somewhat educated. > > Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting > inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft, be they > Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the Manufacturing > Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight Standards District Offices > (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs > are located with the regional offices, thus very far from most of us. There > are only 9 MIDOs in the country. > > Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight standards > has made the decision that focusing on inspections of scheduled Air Carriers > (i.e, United Airlines, etc.) gives them the biggest bang for the buck, if > you will. If the Flight Standards management had their way ALL general > aviation would have to use designees and pay for service. And that is > exactly what they are trying to do through the back door. > > Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an inspection > done, they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no longer do > inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job description of every > airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted, many of them do not know > anything about the types of aircraft we build but there are many many mor e > who do know, want to do them, and have the time do do them, but managemen t > within the Flight Standards has declared, in writing, that we are not to > bother with Amateur-builders, and are to send everyone to a DAR, > irregardless of what it may cost you, the builder. > > Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the right to > receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not get me wrong. > As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco, inspecting big air > carriers is important. But general aviation inspectors do NOT routinely > inspect big air carriers.. We inspect general aviation operators, such as > charter operations, flight schools, crop dusters, and repair stations. And > at no additional cost to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors > could include certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their > surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often enough to > include everyone, if we were allowed. > > I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of telling > people 'no', I can't help you even though I have the expertise and the > time. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspectors who feel the > same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the system. It has to > come from outside, and that is why I am asking for all of you to take > action. Contact your Representatives, Senators, the EAA, and AOPA and le t > them know that you are not happy about what is happening. > > Mike R. > RV Builder > Tech Counselor > A&P > Das *** > > > ________________________________ > > See how Windows Mobile brings your life > together=97nkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/' target='_new'>See Now > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > > http://forums.matronics.com > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 11:12:06 AM PST US From: Charlie England Subject: Re: RV-List: A request for action (you asked) So, John, are you saying that you like aviation user fees or are you praying for a death from old age the day after inauguration? :-) You might want to explain (to those of us who are seeing our retirement savings and investments disappear before we can even retire) how massive deficit spending is different from taxation. The current policies have already crippled my ability to fly; having a VP who's husband owns a plane isn't likely to help us any. McCain owns more houses than he can count; did he help, or help cause the current mortgage debacle? Check McCain's voting record on veterans' affairs. I think you'll be shocked. The current crop of Republicans (who are NOT conservative), with their borrow-and-spend tactics, make tax-and-spend Democrats look conservative. I'd strongly suggest that you look beyond Ms. Palin's acceptance speech & look at her long list of past activities, like attempted book banning, attempting to fire the town librarian when she wouldn't go along with the book banning, favoring Alaska secession, massive deficit spending on 'frills' (still running at a deficit today) while letting infrastructure decay in her home town, firing the head law enforcement official in Alaska because he wouldn't fire her ex-brother in law, sale of that jet, not on Ebay, but to a big Alaskan GOP contributor, *at a loss*, actively supporting Ted Stevens' "bridge to nowhere" until it became obvious that there was near universal opposition, even among Alaskans, actively seeking earmarks, shall I continue? Please do not read this as an endorsement of the Democratic ticket. If we want to see improvements in this country, we will have to look outside the two major parties. Charlie John Cox wrote: > > Mike, your contribution to the RV-10 community, the RV community and > the Experimental Built Amateur Owned community has been valued over > the years. Your loss to the Oregon community has become Spokane's > gain. I think of you at every EAA 105 breakfast just like this morning. > > I support whole heartedly the value in owners seeking their > Airworthiness Inspectors insight, training and wisdom in the > certification process of OBAM aircraft. I am only aware of one > Inspector nationwide who like some DARs are repetitively signing off > aircraft mass produced by Pro Builders. Most are an invaluable > resource to make our projects safer. I found with my 23 years while > serving as a DPE for NM-09 that the staff and inspectors, both Ops and > Airworthiness to be a wonderful resource for aviation. You civil > servants have too often been maligned and few understand the long > hours and dedication you provide. > > For those of you reading this, take Mike's heed and write your > legislators. In Oregon we have Rep. DeFazio and may soon have VP Sarah > Palin who has come out in support of GA on behalf of her husband (the > family pilot). We need all the friends we can get to preserve our > wonderful activity. Make your voices heard and your tax dollars count. > > John Cox > > RV Builder > > Tech Counselor > > A&P I/A > > Airline Mechanic > > Pilot > > Voter > > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Robertson > *Sent:* Friday, September 05, 2008 11:46 PM > *To:* rv list > *Subject:* RV-List: A request for action > > This is going to take a bit, so if you don't want to get involved this > is a good time to hit delete. > > Gentleman, and any ladies that may still be with us, > > I have a request for all of you that , if heard, will benefit > everyone. Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first RV > in 1998, and have been building and flying RV's ever since. > > Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in > certificating and overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen > a very disturbing trend that I feel now needs to be addressed. And > that is the lack of service you have receiving from the Flight > Standards Offices. I am requesting that all of you call, or email, you > US Representative and/or US Senator, and let them know that you are > NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollars are paying > for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee for > quite some time now, and you have the right to tell them it needs to > stop. And this involves your having to pay for certification of your > amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the > Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs > you are going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that > you keep my name out of it off of this list. > > Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain the > system just a little so you can be somewhat educated. > > Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting > inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft, be > they Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the > Manufacturing Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight > Standards District Offices (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the > FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs are located with the regional > offices, thus very far from most of us. There are only 9 MIDOs in the > country. > > Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight > standards has made the decision that focusing on inspections of > scheduled Air Carriers (i.e, United Airlines, etc.) gives them the > biggest bang for the buck, if you will. If the Flight Standards > management had their way ALL general aviation would have to use > designees and pay for service. And that is exactly what they are > trying to do through the back door. > > Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an > inspection done, they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no > longer do inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job > description of every airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted, many > of them do not know anything about the types of aircraft we build but > there are many many more who do know, want to do them, and have the > time do do them, but management within the Flight Standards has > declared, in writing, that we are not to bother with Amateur-builders, > and are to send everyone to a DAR, irregardless of what it may cost > you, the builder. > > Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the > right to receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not > get me wrong. As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco, > inspecting big air carriers is important. But general aviation > inspectors do NOT routinely inspect big air carriers.. We inspect > general aviation operators, such as charter operations, flight > schools, crop dusters, and repair stations. And at no additional cost > to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors could include > certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their > surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often > enough to include everyone, if we were allowed. > > I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of > telling people 'no', I can't help you even though I have the expertise > and the time. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspectors > who feel the same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the > system. It has to come from outside, and that is why I am asking for > all of you to take action. Contact your Representatives, Senators, the > EAA, and AOPA and let them know that you are not happy about what is > happening. > > Mike R. > RV Builder > Tech Counselor > A&P > Das *** > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > See how Windows Mobile brings your life > togethernkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/' target='_new'>See Now > > * * > * * > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > ** > ** > *http://forums.matronics.com* > ** > ** > ** > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > ** > * * > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:39:23 PM PST US From: Paul Rice Subject: RE: RV-List: A request for action (you asked) Charlie=2C If you read Mike's letter=2C you will note that he and his counterparts hav e the TIME and experience to perform our inspections. "Time"=2C means that no other personnel would have to be hired by the FAA to do this job and no more money spent=2C therefore no reason for them to bring up user fees=2C let alone you bringing up your view of politics. Stop blaming the governme nt for all your problems=2C get on with flying=2C and only post things pert aining to aircraft building. Paul RV8 Flying Siren > Date: Sat=2C 6 Sep 2008 13:05:10 -0500> From: ceengland@bellsouth.net> To : rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: A request for action (you as .net>> > So=2C John=2C are you saying that you like aviation user fees or a re you > praying for a death from old age the day after inauguration? :-)> > You might want to explain (to those of us who are seeing our retirement > savings and investments disappear before we can even retire) how massive > deficit spending is different from taxation. The current policies have > a lready crippled my ability to fly=3B having a VP who's husband owns a > pla ne isn't likely to help us any. McCain owns more houses than he can > count =3B did he help=2C or help cause the current mortgage debacle? Check > McCa in's voting record on veterans' affairs. I think you'll be shocked.> > The current crop of Republicans (who are NOT conservative)=2C with their > borr ow-and-spend tactics=2C make tax-and-spend Democrats look conservative.> > I'd strongly suggest that you look beyond Ms. Palin's acceptance speech > & look at her long list of past activities=2C like attempted book banning=2C > attempting to fire the town librarian when she wouldn't go along with > the book banning=2C favoring Alaska secession=2C massive deficit spending o n > 'frills' (still running at a deficit today) while letting infrastructur e > decay in her home town=2C firing the head law enforcement official in > Alaska because he wouldn't fire her ex-brother in law=2C sale of that jet =2C > not on Ebay=2C but to a big Alaskan GOP contributor=2C *at a loss*=2C actively > supporting Ted Stevens' "bridge to nowhere" until it became obv ious that > there was near universal opposition=2C even among Alaskans=2C a ctively > seeking earmarks=2C shall I continue?> > Please do not read this as an endorsement of the Democratic ticket. If > we want to see improvement s in this country=2C we will have to look > outside the two major parties.> > Charlie> > > John Cox wrote:> >> > Mike=2C your contribution to the RV-1 0 community=2C the RV community and > > the Experimental Built Amateur Owne d community has been valued over > > the years. Your loss to the Oregon com munity has become Spokane's > > gain. I think of you at every EAA 105 break fast just like this morning.> >> > I support whole heartedly the value in o wners seeking their > > Airworthiness Inspectors insight=2C training and wi sdom in the > > certification process of OBAM aircraft. I am only aware of one > > Inspector nationwide who like some DARs are repetitively signing of f > > aircraft mass produced by Pro Builders. Most are an invaluable > > re source to make our projects safer. I found with my 23 years while > > servi ng as a DPE for NM-09 that the staff and inspectors=2C both Ops and > > Air worthiness to be a wonderful resource for aviation. You civil > > servants have too often been maligned and few understand the long > > hours and dedi cation you provide.> >> > For those of you reading this=2C take Mike's heed and write your > > legislators. In Oregon we have Rep. DeFazio and may soo n have VP Sarah > > Palin who has come out in support of GA on behalf of he r husband (the > > family pilot). We need all the friends we can get to pre serve our > > wonderful activity. Make your voices heard and your tax dolla rs count.> >> > John Cox> >> > RV Builder> >> > Tech Counselor> >> > A&P I/ A> >> > Airline Mechanic> >> > Pilot> >> > Voter> >> > *From:* owner-rv-lis t-server@matronics.com > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike Robertson> > *Sent:* Friday=2C September 05=2C 2008 11:46 P M> > *To:* rv list> > *Subject:* RV-List: A request for action> >> > This i s going to take a bit=2C so if you don't want to get involved this > > is a good time to hit delete.> >> > Gentleman=2C and any ladies that may still be with us=2C> >> > I have a request for all of you that =2C if heard=2C wi ll benefit > > everyone. Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built m y first RV > > in 1998=2C and have been building and flying RV's ever since .> >> > Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in > > cert ificating and overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen > > a ver y disturbing trend that I feel now needs to be addressed. And > > that is t he lack of service you have receiving from the Flight > > Standards Offices . I am requesting that all of you call=2C or email=2C you > > US Representa tive and/or US Senator=2C and let them know that you are > > NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollars are paying > > for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee for > > quite some time now =2C and you have the right to tell them it needs to > > stop. And this invo lves your having to pay for certification of your > > amateur-built aircraf t. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the > > Amateur-built rules an d a recent change to the authority of the DARs > > you are going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request that > > you keep my name out of it off of this list.> >> > Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I n eed to explain the > > system just a little so you can be somewhat educated .> >> > Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducti ng > > inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft =2C be > > they Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are t he > > Manufacturing Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight > > Standards District Offices (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the > > FSDO s due to the fact that MIDOs are located with the regional > > offices=2C t hus very far from most of us. There are only 9 MIDOs in the > > country.> > > > Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight > > standards has made the decision that focusing on inspections of > > schedul ed Air Carriers (i.e=2C United Airlines=2C etc.) gives them the > > biggest bang for the buck=2C if you will. If the Flight Standards > > management h ad their way ALL general aviation would have to use > > designees and pay f or service. And that is exactly what they are > > trying to do through the back door.> >> > Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an > > inspection done=2C they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they no > > longer do inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job > > description of every airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted=2C many > > of them do not know anything about the types of aircraft we build but > > there are many many more who do know=2C want to do them=2C and have the > > time do do them=2C but management within the Flight Standards has > > d eclared=2C in writing=2C that we are not to bother with Amateur-builders=2C > > and are to send everyone to a DAR=2C irregardless of what it may cost > > you=2C the builder.> >> > Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the > > right to receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not > > get me wrong. As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco=2C > > inspecting big air carriers is important. But gener al aviation > > inspectors do NOT routinely inspect big air carriers.. We i nspect > > general aviation operators=2C such as charter operations=2C flig ht > > schools=2C crop dusters=2C and repair stations. And at no additional cost > > to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors could inclu de > > certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their > > surveillence/in spections trips. Each of us goes on the road often > > enough to include ev eryone=2C if we were allowed.> >> > I am sorry for being up on a soap box f or so long but I am tired of > > telling people 'no'=2C I can't help you ev en though I have the expertise > > and the time. And I have talked with num erous airworthiness inspectors > > who feel the same way. But from the insi de we have no way to buck the > > system. It has to come from outside=2C an d that is why I am asking for > > all of you to take action. Contact your R epresentatives=2C Senators=2C the > > EAA=2C and AOPA and let them know tha t you are not happy about what is > > happening.> >> > Mike R.> > RV Builde r> > Tech Counselor> > A&P> > Das ***> >> >> >> > ------------------------- -----------------------------------------------> >> > See how Windows Mobil e brings your life > > together=97nkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/' target=' _new'>See Now> >> > * *> > * *> > **> > **> > *http://www.matronics.com/Nav igator?RV-List*> > **> > **> > *http://forums.matronics.com*> > **> > **> > **> > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution*> > **> > * *> > *> >> >> > * > > ----------------------------------------------------------------------- ========================> _ ======================> > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:33 PM PST US From: Garey Wittich Subject: RV-List: Dimpling of Elevator Trim Tab Piano Hinge ???? Greetings: Ref: Elevator Trim Tab PIANO HINGE Anybody have any idea why Vans recommends Dimpling the Elevator Skin, machine countersinking the Trim Tab Spar and then attaching the Elevator Trim Tab Piano Hinge ?? Why not dimple the Elevator Skin (per Vans directions), DIMPLE the Trim Tab Spar and DIMPLE the Piano Hinge ?? This does away with the machine countersinking the Elev Trim Tab SPAR ???? Just wondering. Thanks, Garey ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:07 PM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: RV-List: A request for action (you asked) Evidently the temptation to introduce B. Hussein's talking points onto the list was too much to pass over, Paul. Charlie, we've had our disagreements in the past, when I mistook you for a fellow conservative and sent you some pro-2nd amendment stuff - I won't go there again with you since it ruffles your feathers so, and to no net positive effect that I can see. But I think you might possibly find the thread referenced here -> http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=1&f=5&t=749631 worth your ti me, since not everything you have heard and repeated about Gov. Palin is, in fact, true. Respectfully, Bill B. On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 4:38 PM, Paul Rice wrote: > Charlie, > > If you read Mike's letter, you will note that he and his counterparts hav e > the *TIME* and experience to perform our inspections. *"Time*", means > that no other personnel would have to be hired by the FAA to do this job and > no more money spent, therefore no reason for them to bring up user fees, let > alone you bringing up your view of politics. Stop blaming the government > for all your problems, get on with flying, and only post things pertainin g > to aircraft building. > > Paul > RV8 > Flying Siren > > > > Date: Sat, 6 Sep 2008 13:05:10 -0500 > > From: ceengland@bellsouth.net > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Subject: Re: RV-List: A request for action (you asked) > > > > > > > > So, John, are you saying that you like aviation user fees or are you > > praying for a death from old age the day after inauguration? :-) > > > > You might want to explain (to those of us who are seeing our retirement > > savings and investments disappear before we can even retire) how massiv e > > deficit spending is different from taxation. The current policies have > > already crippled my ability to fly; having a VP who's husband owns a > > plane isn't likely to help us any. McCain owns more houses than he can > > count; did he help, or help cause the current mortgage debacle? Check > > McCain's voting record on veterans' affairs. I think you'll be shocked. > > > > The current crop of Republicans (who are NOT conservative), with their > > borrow-and-spend tactics, make tax-and-spend Democrats look conservativ e. > > > > I'd strongly suggest that you look beyond Ms. Palin's acceptance speech > > & look at her long list of past activities, like attempted book banning , > > attempting to fire the town librarian when she wouldn't go along with > > the book banning, favoring Alaska secession, massive deficit spending o n > > 'frills' (still running at a deficit today) while letting infrastructur e > > decay in her home town, firing the head law enforcement official in > > Alaska because he wouldn't fire her ex-brother in law, sale of that jet , > > not on Ebay, but to a big Alaskan GOP contributor, *at a loss*, activel y > > supporting Ted Stevens' "bridge to nowhere" until it became obvious tha t > > there was near universal opposition, even among Alaskans, actively > > seeking earmarks, shall I continue? > > > > Please do not read this as an endorsement of the Democratic ticket. If > > we want to see improvements in this country, we will have to look > > outside the two major parties. > > > > Charlie > > > > > > John Cox wrote: > > > > > > Mike, your contribution to the RV-10 community, the RV community and > > > the Experimental Built Amateur Owned community has been valued over > > > the years. Your loss to the Oregon community has become Spokane's > > > gain. I think of you at every EAA 105 breakfast just like this mornin g. > > > > > > I support whole heartedly the value in owners seeking their > > > Airworthiness Inspectors insight, training and wisdom in the > > > certification process of OBAM aircraft. I am only aware of one > > > Inspector nationwide who like some DARs are repetitively signing off > > > aircraft mass produced by Pro Builders. Most are an invaluable > > > resource to make our projects safer. I found with my 23 years while > > > serving as a DPE for NM-09 that the staff and inspectors, both Ops an d > > > Airworthiness to be a wonderful resource for aviation. You civil > > > servants have too often been maligned and few understand the long > > > hours and dedication you provide. > > > > > > For those of you reading this, take Mike's heed and write your > > > legislators. In Oregon we have Rep. DeFazio and may soon have VP Sara h > > > Palin who has come out in support of GA on behalf of her husband (the > > > family pilot). We need all the friends we can get to preserve our > > > wonderful activity. Make your voices heard and your tax dollars count .. > > > > > > John Cox > > > > > > RV Builder > > > > > > Tech Counselor > > > > > > A&P I/A > > > > > > Airline Mechanic > > > > > > Pilot > > > > > > Voter > > > > > > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > > > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *Mike > Robertson > > > *Sent:* Friday, September 05, 2008 11:46 PM > > > *To:* rv list > > > *Subject:* RV-List: A request for action > > > > > > This is going to take a bit, so if you don't want to get involved thi s > > > is a good time to hit delete. > > > > > > Gentleman, and any ladies that may still be with us, > > > > > > I have a request for all of you that , if heard, will benefit > > > everyone. Everyone has known me for quite a while. I built my first R V > > > in 1998, and have been building and flying RV's ever since. > > > > > > Over that time I have been greatly involved with my job in > > > certificating and overseeing amateur-built aircraft. I have also seen > > > a very disturbing trend that I feel now needs to be addressed. And > > > that is the lack of service you have receiving from the Flight > > > Standards Offices. I am requesting that all of you call, or email, yo u > > > US Representative and/or US Senator, and let them know that you are > > > NOT receiving service from the FAA that your tax dollars are paying > > > for. As a matter of fact you have been paying a private user fee for > > > quite some time now, and you have the right to tell them it needs to > > > stop. And this involves your having to pay for certification of your > > > amateur-built aircraft. And with the attempt by the FAA to change the > > > Amateur-built rules and a recent change to the authority of the DARs > > > you are going to have to pay more very soon. I would also request tha t > > > you keep my name out of it off of this list. > > > > > > Now...Let me explain. Please bare with me as I need to explain the > > > system just a little so you can be somewhat educated. > > > > > > Within the FAA there are two branches that are tasked with conducting > > > inspections and issuing airworthiness certificates to all aircraft, b e > > > they Standard category or Experimental. Those two branches are the > > > Manufacturing Inspection District Offices (MIDO) and the Flight > > > Standards District Offices (FSDO). Most of the work is done by the > > > FSDOs due to the fact that MIDOs are located with the regional > > > offices, thus very far from most of us. There are only 9 MIDOs in the > > > country. > > > > > > Due to politics and high profiles the management within the flight > > > standards has made the decision that focusing on inspections of > > > scheduled Air Carriers (i.e, United Airlines, etc.) gives them the > > > biggest bang for the buck, if you will. If the Flight Standards > > > management had their way ALL general aviation would have to use > > > designees and pay for service. And that is exactly what they are > > > trying to do through the back door. > > > > > > Most of you already know that if you contact your FSDO to get an > > > inspection done, they will refer you to a DAR telling you that they n o > > > longer do inspections. That is a LIE. It is part of the job > > > description of every airworthiness inspector in the FAA. Granted, man y > > > of them do not know anything about the types of aircraft we build but > > > there are many many more who do know, want to do them, and have the > > > time do do them, but management within the Flight Standards has > > > declared, in writing, that we are not to bother with Amateur-builders , > > > and are to send everyone to a DAR, irregardless of what it may cost > > > you, the builder. > > > > > > Your tax dollar pays for the operation of the FAA and you have the > > > right to receive service for that dollar. You are not. Please do not > > > get me wrong. As you know from the recent Southwest Airlines fiasco, > > > inspecting big air carriers is important. But general aviation > > > inspectors do NOT routinely inspect big air carriers.. We inspect > > > general aviation operators, such as charter operations, flight > > > schools, crop dusters, and repair stations. And at no additional cost > > > to the FAA of travel dollars airworthiness inspectors could include > > > certification of Amateur-built aircraft in their > > > surveillence/inspections trips. Each of us goes on the road often > > > enough to include everyone, if we were allowed. > > > > > > I am sorry for being up on a soap box for so long but I am tired of > > > telling people 'no', I can't help you even though I have the expertis e > > > and the time. And I have talked with numerous airworthiness inspector s > > > who feel the same way. But from the inside we have no way to buck the > > > system. It has to come from outside, and that is why I am asking for > > > all of you to take action. Contact your Representatives, Senators, th e > > > EAA, and AOPA and let them know that you are not happy about what is > > > happening. > > > > > > Mike R. > > > RV Builder > > > Tech Counselor > > > A&P > > > Das *** > > > > > > > > > > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > See how Windows Mobile brings your life > > > together=97nkwxp1020093182mrt/direct/01/' target='_new'>See Now > > > > > > * * > > > * * > > > ** > > > ** > > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > > > ** > > > ** > > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > > ** > > > ** > > > ** > > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > > ** > > > * * > > > * > > > > > > > > > * > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > > > > > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com < Archive Search & Download, 7-Da y > Browse, Chat, FAQ, > >==================== > > _==== > > > > > > > > * > =========== =========== =========== =========== > * > > ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 02:53:01 PM PST US From: Charles Brame Subject: RV-List: Strobe switch problem Fellow RVers, My strobe system blew its fuse. Replaced, the fuse blew again when the Master Power was turned on with the strobe switch OFF. Investigation found the switch shorted internally and the fast on connectors charred from heat. The switch was a B&C 700 series 1-3 toggle operating a 12v Whelen single pack strobe system. I put the above info on the AeroElectric list. It turns out switch failures on Whelen Strobe systems is fairly common. There were several cases where the switch had not failed, but the fast on contacts were blackened from heat. Bob Nuckolls is investigating just why a strobe system would cause switch failures and switch heating with reasonable 12 v amperages. I would like to recommend that every RV owner with a strobe system, check the strobe ON-OFF switch for signs of over heating. Charlie Brame RV-6A N11CB San Antonio ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:08:17 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Strobe switch problem Bob knows far more than I do, but from this side of the computer I think the inrush current for a single supply system must be higher than the switch likes. How many hours are we talking here??? What size fuse??? There may be a clue there. Linn ..... just musing do not archive Charles Brame wrote: > > Fellow RVers, > > My strobe system blew its fuse. Replaced, the fuse blew again when the > Master Power was turned on with the strobe switch OFF. Investigation > found the switch shorted internally and the fast on connectors charred > from heat. The switch was a B&C 700 series 1-3 toggle operating a 12v > Whelen single pack strobe system. > > I put the above info on the AeroElectric list. It turns out switch > failures on Whelen Strobe systems is fairly common. There were several > cases where the switch had not failed, but the fast on contacts were > blackened from heat. Bob Nuckolls is investigating just why a strobe > system would cause switch failures and switch heating with reasonable > 12 v amperages. > > I would like to recommend that every RV owner with a strobe system, > check the strobe ON-OFF switch for signs of over heating. > > Charlie Brame > RV-6A N11CB > San Antonio > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 04:36:30 PM PST US From: MikeNellis Subject: Re: RV-List: Dimpling of Elevator Trim Tab Piano Hinge ???? The piano hinge is a little thick to be dimpling but even if you did, it would deform the hinge enough that the wire might not line up. Try it with a scrap piece of hinge and I think you'll find it gets deformed enough after dimpling that the hing won't go together with the wire properly. Mike > Anybody have any idea why Vans recommends Dimpling the Elevator Skin, machine countersinking the Trim Tab Spar and then attaching the Elevator Trim Tab Piano Hinge ?? > > Why not dimple the Elevator Skin (per Vans directions), DIMPLE the Trim Tab Spar and DIMPLE the Piano Hinge ?? This does away with the machine countersinking the Elev Trim Tab SPAR ???? > > Just wondering. Thanks, Garey > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 05:10:20 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Strobe switch problem In a message dated 9/6/2008 2:54:06 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, chasb@satx.rr.com writes: My strobe system blew its fuse. Replaced, the fuse blew again when the Master Power was turned on with the strobe switch OFF. Investigation found the switch shorted internally and the fast on connectors charred from heat. The switch was a B&C 700 series 1-3 toggle operating a 12v Whelen single pack strobe system. I put the above info on the AeroElectric list. It turns out switch failures on Whelen Strobe systems is fairly common. There were several cases where the switch had not failed, but the fast on contacts were blackened from heat. Bob Nuckolls is investigating just why a strobe system would cause switch failures and switch heating with reasonable 12 v amperages. I would like to recommend that every RV owner with a strobe system, check the strobe ON-OFF switch for signs of over heating. ================================== Odd. I am using a Carlingswitch DPST rocker switch to run three Whelen single strobe Power Supplies triggered together for wing tip and tail coverage. I have seen no such situation with this combination and I run them every time I fly, day and night. N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 900hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley) **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 05:13:36 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: A request for action (you asked) In a message dated 9/6/2008 11:15:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, ceengland@bellsouth.net writes: You might want to explain (to those of us who are seeing our retirement savings and investments disappear before we can even retire) how massive deficit spending is different from taxation. The current policies have already crippled my ability to fly; having a VP who's husband owns a plane isn't likely to help us any. McCain owns more houses than he can count; did he help, or help cause the current mortgage debacle? Check McCain's voting record on veterans' affairs. I think you'll be shocked. ============================================ Good shot Charlie. Many of us are not ready to drink the Kool-aid, so you are not alone. N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 900hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley) **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 09:01:34 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: A request for action (you asked) Got to love the way you guys leave your political garbage in the archives forever. DO NOT ARCHIVE Vanremog@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 9/6/2008 11:15:00 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, > ceengland@bellsouth.net writes: > > You might want to explain (to those of us who are seeing our > retirement > savings and investments disappear before we can even retire) how > massive > deficit spending is different from taxation. The current policies > have > already crippled my ability to fly; having a VP who's husband owns a > plane isn't likely to help us any. McCain owns more houses than he > can > count; did he help, or help cause the current mortgage debacle? Check > McCain's voting record on veterans' affairs. I think you'll be > shocked. > > ============================================ > > Good shot Charlie. Many of us are not ready to drink the Kool-aid, so > you are not alone. > > > > N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 900hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley) > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the > latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com > . > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 09:08:10 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: A request for action (you asked) In a message dated 9/6/2008 9:02:57 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, jsflyrv@verizon.net writes: Got to love the way you guys leave your political garbage in the archives forever. DO NOT ARCHIVE I agree, it's too bad that some stuff seems interminable, like the last 8 yrs. N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 900hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley) **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 11:13:06 PM PST US From: Ed Holyoke Subject: Re: RV-List: Strobe switch problem If the inrush current is the culprit, I may be doing exactly the right thing to mitigate it, although for another reason entirely. I just leave the strobe switch on so that when I turn on the master, pre-engine start, anybody around can see that it is a live airplane and liable to spin a prop. The contactor deals with whatever inrush current there may be. Harder to walk away from a plane with strobe flashing, too. It helps me remember to turn off the master. Pax, Ed Holyoke linn Walters wrote: > > Bob knows far more than I do, but from this side of the computer I > think the inrush current for a single supply system must be higher > than the switch likes. How many hours are we talking here??? What > size fuse??? There may be a clue there. > Linn ..... just musing > do not archive > > > Charles Brame wrote: >> >> Fellow RVers, >> >> My strobe system blew its fuse. Replaced, the fuse blew again when >> the Master Power was turned on with the strobe switch OFF. >> Investigation found the switch shorted internally and the fast on >> connectors charred from heat. The switch was a B&C 700 series 1-3 >> toggle operating a 12v Whelen single pack strobe system. >> >> I put the above info on the AeroElectric list. It turns out switch >> failures on Whelen Strobe systems is fairly common. There were >> several cases where the switch had not failed, but the fast on >> contacts were blackened from heat. Bob Nuckolls is investigating just >> why a strobe system would cause switch failures and switch heating >> with reasonable 12 v amperages. >> >> I would like to recommend that every RV owner with a strobe system, >> check the strobe ON-OFF switch for signs of over heating. >> >> Charlie Brame >> RV-6A N11CB >> San Antonio >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.