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Wed 09/10/08


Total Messages Posted: 9



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     1. 05:09 AM - Re: Engine monitor question.. (Dana Overall)
     2. 05:50 AM - Re: Canopy Cover (N395V)
     3. 02:02 PM - Re: Engine monitor question.. (bert murillo)
     4. 02:02 PM - Re: Engine monitor question.. (bert murillo)
     5. 02:57 PM - Re: Engine monitor question.. (Terry Watson)
     6. 04:27 PM - FOR SALE - PRICE REDUCED: Isham RV Tool Kit with upgrades (Dan Brown)
     7. 08:40 PM - Aeroshell 5 or 6 (AndrewTR30)
     8. 08:57 PM - Re: Aeroshell 5 or 6 (Kelly McMullen)
     9. 11:40 PM - Re: Engine monitor question.. (Kevin Horton)
 
 
 


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    Time: 05:09:46 AM PST US
    From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Engine monitor question..
    Bert=2C I think what you are seeing is exactly what you saw on your round R PM guage.....you just didn't notice the needle momentarily changing 20 RPMs . You see the numbers now=2C much more accurate presentation of what the e ngine is actually doing. Normal on the flat panel stuff from a guy whom is now a flat panel enthusia st. Dana Overall Richmond=2C KY i39 RV-7 slider "Black Magic" Flying..well sorta=2C useta=2C kinda Barrett Precision O 360 A1A Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4 http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > > _________________________________________________________________ Stay up to date on your PC=2C the Web=2C and your mobile phone with Windows Live.


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    Time: 05:50:26 AM PST US
    Subject: Re: Canopy Cover
    From: "N395V" <Bearcat@bearcataviation.com>
    They are also a perfect fit for F1s and Harmons -------- Milt 2003 F1 Rocket 2006 Radial Rocket Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3554#203554


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    Time: 02:02:04 PM PST US
    From: bert murillo <robertrv607@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Engine monitor question..
    Dana: Thansk for your comments.- The only thing is should some time the numbers remain steady,- that is,- after the fluctuation as you said, sh ould not be a time that the thing stays- let's say 1900.. or whatever? - Mine does not,, is always changing, true is only- 10 0r 20 rps,, but that , agravates me..... Thank you again, - Bert --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine monitor question.. #yiv652256689 .hmmessage P { margin:0px;padding:0px;} #yiv652256689 { FONT-SIZE:10pt;FONT-FAMILY:Tahoma;} Bert, I think what you are seeing is exactly what you saw on your round RPM guage.....you just didn't notice the needle momentarily changing 20 RPMs. - You see the numbers now, much more accurate presentation of what the en gine is actually doing. Normal on the flat panel stuff from a guy whom is now a flat panel enthusia st. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider "Black Magic" Flying..well sorta, useta, kinda Barrett Precision O 360 A1A Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4 http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > > Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Liv e. See Now =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 02:02:08 PM PST US
    From: bert murillo <robertrv607@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine monitor question..
    I have a fixed Porp Kevin:: - the fluctuation is 10 or 20 rpms... I know is not much, but I see my frien that has the old steam gauges,,, and it seems that stays steady as a rock... may be I am wrong.. - Thanks - bert --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote: From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine monitor question.. bert murillo wrote: > Question to those who have the Grand rapids, Engine Monitor... > > I notice that when I set the Rpm,,,numbers, they never remain steady... . > > example if I pull down to 1700 RPM it goes up and down, is that normal, any > suggestions,, does any one has this problem? > > Small fluctuations are likely quite normal, especially if you have a fixed pitch prop. Even with a constant speed prop there will be occasional 10 to 20 rpm fluctuations as the prop governor reacts to gusts, etc. Do you have a fixed pitch or constant speed prop? How large fluctuations are you seeing? -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (Flight Test Phase) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8 =0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 02:57:22 PM PST US
    From: "Terry Watson" <terry@tcwatson.com>
    Subject: Engine monitor question..
    Sorry if I am coming too late to the conversation to know what's going on, but: If it is a digital tach, it must have some kind of cut-off range or range that it will ignore the change within. If that were 1 rpm and the digital numbers went to the nearest 1 rpm, I would think it would be constantly changing back and forth between different numbers, so I would think they would program it to the nearest 5 rpm or 10 rpm or 20 rpm; whatever gives you what you need to know without constantly changing; and that you would see 1710 rpm or 1720 rpm or whatever, but never 1712 rpm or 1718 rpm. Maybe yours doesn't have a wide enough dead band to keep from jumping around, or maybe that it meets their design criteria but not yours. Could the sender's resolution be different from the display? Terry From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo Sent: Wednesday, September 10, 2008 1:59 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine monitor question.. Dana: Thansk for your comments. The only thing is should some time the numbers remain steady, that is, after the fluctuation as you said, should not be a time that the thing stays let's say 1900.. or whatever? Mine does not,, is always changing, true is only 10 0r 20 rps,, but that, agravates me..... Thank you again, Bert --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> wrote: From: Dana Overall <bo124rs@hotmail.com> Subject: RE: RV-List: Engine monitor question.. Bert, I think what you are seeing is exactly what you saw on your round RPM guage.....you just didn't notice the needle momentarily changing 20 RPMs. You see the numbers now, much more accurate presentation of what the engine is actually doing. Normal on the flat panel stuff from a guy whom is now a flat panel enthusiast. Dana Overall Richmond, KY i39 RV-7 slider "Black Magic" Flying..well sorta, useta, kinda Barrett Precision O 360 A1A Hartzell C2YR-1BFP/F7497-2 http://rvflying.tripod.com/blackmagic.jpg http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MMi05-WU2D0#GU5U2spHI_4 http://rvflying.tripod.com do not archive > > _____ Stay up to date on your PC, the Web, and your mobile phone with Windows Live. See Now D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== ========= D======================== =========


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    Time: 04:27:05 PM PST US
    From: Dan Brown <dan@familybrown.org>
    Subject: FOR SALE - PRICE REDUCED: Isham RV Tool Kit with upgrades
    -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Price on this set is reduced to $2200 OBO plus shipping, now including the Sioux 1/4" air drill with keyless chuck. Please reply off list if interested. Dan Brown wrote: > > For a variety of reasons, mostly relating to my being called to active > duty with the Army, I won't be able to complete my planned RV-7A. > Consequently, I'll need to sell my tools. This is the complete Isham > kit pictured at: > > http://www.store-planetools.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPROD&ProdID=9 > > This kit includes a pneumatic rivet squeezer and the popular DRDT-2 > dimpling tool. > > In addition, the following extras are included: > > Screw-adjustable Rivet Squeezer Ram (a $70 value) > Avery Longeron Yoke (a $150 value) > Avery Thin-nose (no-hole) Yoke (a $140 value) > Avery back-rivet plate (a $50 value) > Avery flush swivel rivet set (a $40 value) > A couple of additional countersink cutters > Additional side-grip clecos (about 10 extra of each, IIRC) > > That's $450 in upgrades, in addition to the Isham set. All tools are in > excellent condition. The air drill is NOT, repeat NOT included; > everything else is. > > This would cost nearly $3000 for these tools ordered new. I'll take > $2500 OBO, plus shipping. If you're local to Fayetteville, NC, you can > pick up. Contact me by e-mail at dan@familybrown.org if interested. > Thanks for your interest! > > The following tools are included: > > DRDT-2 Dimpler* (email for delivery date on DRDT-2) > Pneumatic Rivet Squeezer (U.S.A.)* > 3 C-Yoke Installed on Squeezer (U.S.A.)* > Adjustable Set Holder for Pneumatic Squeezer (U.S.A.)* > 3X Rivet Gun with excellent teasing trigger* > EZ change spring for straight rivet sets* > EZ Change Spring for flush sets (Snap-On Ind U.S.A.)* > Swivel and Air Flow Restrictor with fine precision adjustment* > 1 Diameter Flush Rivet Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > 3/32 Cupped Rivet Set 3.5 (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > 1/8 Cupped Rivet Set 3.5 (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > 3/16 Cupped Rivet Set 3.5 (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > 1/8 Double Offset Rivet Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > Back Rivet Set* (Special Small 1/2" Diameter for RV's) > Mini-Bucking Bar, 1 lb. (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > Bulkhead Bucking Bar (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > Footed Bucking Bar (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > Microstop Countersink Unit, needle-bearing, non-chattering (U.S.A.)* > #40 Countersink Bit, 3/32 (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > #30 Countersink Bit, for 1/8 & #6 Screw (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > #8 Countersink Bit, #8 Screw (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > #10 Countersink Bit, #10 Screw (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > Left Cut Snips, easy to use offset type (Klein Tools U.S.A.)* > Right Cut Snips, easy to use offset type (Klein Tools U.S.A.)* > Straight Cut Snips, easy to use offset type (Klein Tools U.S.A.)* > #40 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bits for 3/32 rivets, 8 each > #30 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bits for 1/8 rivets, 6 each > #27 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bit > #21 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bit > #19 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bit > #12 Aviation Cobalt Drill Bit > 1/4" Aviation Cobalt Drill Bit > 12 Aviation Extra Long #40 Drill Bit > 12 Aviation Extra Long #30 Drill Bit > Deburr Tool, Speed Handle Type for small & large holes (U.S.A.)* > Cleco Pliers* > 4 Cleco Clamps, 1/2" (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.S.A.)* > 4 Cleco Clamps, 1 (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.S.A.)* > Pop Rivet Tool, Professional Heavy-Duty unit with Swivel Head* > 3/32" Universal Cupped Squeezer Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > 1/8 Universal Cupped Squeezer Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > 5/32" Universal Cupped Squeezer Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > 3/16 Universal Cupped Squeezer Set (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > Flat Squeezer Set 1/8 (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > Flat Squeezer Set 1/4" (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > Flat Squeezer Set 3/8 (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > Flat Squeezer Set 1/2" (Snap-On U.S.A.)* > 3/32 Rivet Dimple Die (Springback U.S.A.)* > 1/8 Rivet Dimple Die (Springback U.S.A.)* > 5/32" Dimple Die* > 3/16" - #10 Screw Dimple Die* > #8 Screw Dimple Die* > #6 Screw Dimple Die* > Squeezer Set Organizer* > Squeezer Set Adjustment Washers * > Stainless Steel Rule, 12* > Unibit 1/4" - 3/4" by 1/16ths, (Klein U.S.A.)* > 3 Permanent Markers, Sharpie > 1/2 x 1 Reducers for 3M Wheel* > 325 Cleco Fasteners, 3/32 (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.S.A.)* > 175 Cleco Fasteners, 1/8 (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.S.A.)* > 10 Cleco Fasteners, 5/32" (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.S.A.)* > 10 Cleco Fasteners, 3/16 (Calif Assoc Prod or Zephyr U.S.A.)* > Edge Deburring Tool, Hex Swivel type* > Fluting Pliers, Smooth Flute Nylon Jaws* > Fluting Pliers, Deep V Nylon Jaws* > Rivet Cutter* > Air Tool Oil > Drill Stop Set of 4 with Allen Wrench* > Rivet Set DOTS, Easier than Rivet Tape > 3/32 Pop Rivet Dimple Die, Springback (U.S.A.)* > 1/8 Pop Rivet Dimple Die, Springback (U.S.A.)* > Hand Seamer (Klein Tools U.S.A.)* > 3/32 Drive Pin Punch (Klein Tools U.S.A.)* > 1/8 Drive Pin Punch (Klein Tools U.S.A.)* > Scotch Brite Hand Pads, 4 each > Rivet Length Gauge* > Rivet Shop Head Gauge, 4-piece* > - -- Dan Brown, KE6MKS, dan@familybrown.org "Since all the world is but a story, it were well for thee to buy the more enduring story rather than the story that is less enduring." -- The Judgment of St. Colum Cille -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (MingW32) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFIyFctyQGUivXxtkERAp4TAKCIURWWxSCdzkPhXv8bVtTYvNrbSQCdEkNc 3RPVti0x0O3Cne/DzKFYcNU =Xmss -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----


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    Time: 08:40:33 PM PST US
    Subject: Aeroshell 5 or 6
    From: "AndrewTR30" <AndrewTR30@aol.com>
    Which one of these two greases is better suited for use in wheel bearings. From the site, it looks like #5 but in my plans, Vans says to use #6... Or is there something better altogether? -------- Andrew Rayhill RV-10 40078 Phoenix Read this topic online here: http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3749#203749


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    Time: 08:57:54 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: Aeroshell 5 or 6
    I'm no where that far along in the build process..........but, for grins, I own a Mooney M20E which is 1644 lbs empty, 2575 gross, and it specifies Aeroshell #5 for wheel bearings. #6 is lighter. I've had it in Phoenix for 10 years, with no issues on the wheel bearings using #5. Given our dry heat, I'd be inclined to use #5 unless I got a very good explanation why #6 was recommended. Kelly RV10 40866 CHD AndrewTR30 wrote: > > Which one of these two greases is better suited for use in wheel bearings. From the site, it looks like #5 but in my plans, Vans says to use #6... > Or is there something better altogether? > > -------- > Andrew Rayhill > RV-10 40078 > Phoenix > > > Read this topic online here: > > http://forums.matronics.com/viewtopic.php?p 3749#203749 > > >


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    Time: 11:40:21 PM PST US
    From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: Engine monitor question..
    With a fixed pitch prop, if the throttle and mixture settings are fixed, the engine rpm will depend on the airspeed and altitude. But, there are always small variations in airspeed and altitude, and that leads to small variations in rpm. Those variations occur no matter what type of engine instruments you have, but they are much harder to see on old steam gauges. What you are seeing sounds very normal. Kevin bert murillo wrote: > I have a fixed Porp Kevin:: > > the fluctuation is 10 or 20 rpms... I know is not much, but I see my frien that > has the old steam gauges,,, and it seems that stays steady as a rock... maybe > I am wrong.. > > Thanks > > bert > > --- On Wed, 9/10/08, Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote: > > From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> > Subject: Re: RV-List: Engine monitor question.. > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Wednesday, September 10, 2008, 1:54 AM > > > bert murillo wrote: > >> Question to those who have the Grand rapids, Engine Monitor... >> >> I notice that when I set the Rpm,,,numbers, they never remain steady.... >> >> example if I pull down to 1700 RPM it goes up and down, is that normal, >> > any > >> suggestions,, does any one has this problem? >> >> >> > Small fluctuations are likely quite normal, especially if you have a > fixed pitch prop. Even with a constant speed prop there will be > occasional 10 to 20 rpm fluctuations as the prop governor reacts to > gusts, etc. > > Do you have a fixed pitch or constant speed prop? How large > fluctuations are you seeing? > >




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