---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Tue 09/16/08: 25 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 01:21 AM - Engine-landing gear mount loose (Wheeler North) 2. 05:17 AM - Loose bolts (scott bilinski) 3. 07:01 AM - Re: Loose bolts (Michael Kraus) 4. 08:05 AM - paint shaker recommendation (John Bright) 5. 08:09 AM - Re: Loose bolts (Bob J.) 6. 08:28 AM - Re: Loose bolts (scott bilinski) 7. 08:31 AM - Re: Loose bolts (Schans, Jeffery) 8. 09:37 AM - Need a fairing (bert murillo) 9. 09:54 AM - Re: Fly above 8000 ft ? (bert murillo) 10. 10:51 AM - Re: Fly above 8000 ft ? (Michael W Stewart) 11. 11:28 AM - Re: Fly above 8000 ft ? (scott bilinski) 12. 12:07 PM - Re: Fly above 8000 ft ? (Bill Boyd) 13. 12:32 PM - Re: Fly above 8000 ft ? (bert murillo) 14. 12:56 PM - Re: Fly above 8000 ft ? (Bill Boyd) 15. 12:59 PM - Re: Fly above 8000 ft ? (Richard Dudley) 16. 01:18 PM - Re: Fly above 8000 ft ? (Charles Kuss) 17. 02:27 PM - Re: paint shaker recommendation (linn Walters) 18. 02:29 PM - Re: Loose bolts (Scott) 19. 02:50 PM - Re: Loose bolts (BELTEDAIR@aol.com) 20. 03:58 PM - Re: paint shaker recommendation (Tim Lewis) 21. 05:09 PM - Blood Oxygen Levels (John Fasching) 22. 06:23 PM - Re: Blood Oxygen Levels (b e) 23. 06:56 PM - Re: Blood Oxygen Levels (RV6 Flyer) 24. 07:23 PM - Re: Loose bolts (Fiveonepw@AOL.COM) 25. 08:38 PM - Re: paint shaker recommendation (Todd Bartrim) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 01:21:55 AM PST US From: "Wheeler North" Subject: RV-List: Engine-landing gear mount loose Warning, I was working on a project to move stuff away from my cooling outlet and observed that the four lower bolts holding my engine/landing gear mount on were in excess of 1/2 a turn loose, as in easily turnable by finger. These are cotter pinned. TTIS is 1240 on an RV-6, bolts last checked three years ago and I delayed this because I got tired of ruining good cotter pins when nothing was ever loose. So it's back to ruining cotter pins,,, I pulled a few of the bolts out and explored, but I didn't find any reason for why things got loose in the last 200 hours but didn't in the first 1000??? Also, there was a rant some time ago about AD's and how they do or don't apply to experimentals. The recent ECI Titan cylinder AD 2008-19-05 pretty much applies to any installation where that range of serial number cylinders with a specific part number are in service. While they do use the verbiage "Lycoming engines with these cylinders installed" the focus is clearly the cylinders irrespective of what you choose to call your Lycoming parallel valve engine. They also list cases of engines and aircraft where these might be found but they do not limit the AD to these groups. The focus is on those parts as installed in an airplane. If you have Titan cylinders but not those in that range or part numbers you might want to note this in the engine logs. ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:17:08 AM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: RV-List: Loose bolts I have found all sorts of loose bolts on the engine. First it was the exhaust bolts, I had to tighten them 3 times before they would "hold". Then the valve covers started leaking, nothing new, this is "normal". Well the screws were so loose I could remove some with my fingers, now they have been tightened and the leaks have stopped and have not come loose again since. The last couple bolts I found loose were to the case halves! From what I have read about others and their loose hardware experiences, the next upcoming annual just months away, ALL fasteners will be checked over the entire aircraft. Scott ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:01:42 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: RE: RV-List: Loose bolts Where did you get your engine? -----Original Message----- From: scott bilinski Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: RV-List: Loose bolts I have found all sorts of loose bolts on the engine. First it was the exhaust bolts, I had to tighten them 3 times before they would "hold". Then the valve covers started leaking, nothing new, this is "normal". Well the screws were so loose I could remove some with my fingers, now they have been tightened and the leaks have stopped and have not come loose again since. The last couple bolts I found loose were to the case halves! From what I have read about others and their loose hardware experiences, the next upcoming annual just months away, ALL fasteners will be checked over the entire aircraft. Scott ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:38 AM PST US From: John Bright Subject: RV-List: paint shaker recommendation Can anyone recommend a paint shaker for quart and gallon cans? Thanks, John Bright o:757-864-2305 h:757-874-0861 c:757-812-1909 http://www.facebook.com/people/John_Bright/1450601073 ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:09:43 AM PST US From: "Bob J." Subject: Re: RV-List: Loose bolts One of the engineers I know from Lycoming has told me in the past that Lycoming case half bolts should be checked periodically for torque (100in/lbs) and that its not uncommon to find loose bolts. In other words check them at every condition inspection. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:15 AM, scott bilinski wrote: > > I have found all sorts of loose bolts on the engine. First it was the > exhaust bolts, I had to tighten them 3 times before they would "hold". Then > the valve covers started leaking, nothing new, this is "normal". Well the > screws were so loose I could remove some with my fingers, now they have been > tightened and the leaks have stopped and have not come loose again since. > The last couple bolts I found loose were to the case halves! From what I > have read about others and their loose hardware experiences, the next > upcoming annual just months away, ALL fasteners will be checked over the > entire aircraft. > > Scott > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:28:16 AM PST US From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Loose bolts They were tight when the engine was new/refurbed. This was after several hundred hours flying. Scott ----- Original Message ---- From: Michael Kraus Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:00:07 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Loose bolts Where did you get your engine? -----Original Message----- From: scott bilinski Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 8:15 AM Subject: RV-List: Loose bolts I have found all sorts of loose bolts on the engine. First it was the exhaust bolts, I had to tighten them 3 times before they would "hold". Then the valve covers started leaking, nothing new, this is "normal". Well the screws were so loose I could remove some with my fingers, now they have been tightened and the leaks have stopped and have not come loose again since. The last couple bolts I found loose were to the case halves! From what I have read about others and their loose hardware experiences, the next upcoming annual just months away, ALL fasteners will be checked over the entire aircraft. Scott ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:31:40 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Loose bolts From: "Schans, Jeffery" Here is the actual tightening procedure. Jeff Schans ________________________________ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob J. Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 10:34 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Loose bolts One of the engineers I know from Lycoming has told me in the past that Lycoming case half bolts should be checked periodically for torque (100in/lbs) and that its not uncommon to find loose bolts. In other words check them at every condition inspection. Regards, Bob Japundza RV-6 flying F1 under const. On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 8:15 AM, scott bilinski wrote: I have found all sorts of loose bolts on the engine. First it was the exhaust bolts, I had to tighten them 3 times before they would "hold". Then the valve covers started leaking, nothing new, this is "normal". Well the screws were so loose I could remove some with my fingers, now they have been tightened and the leaks have stopped and have not come loose again since. The last couple bolts I found loose were to the case halves! From what I have read about others and their loose hardware experiences, the next upcoming annual just months away, ALL fasteners will be checked over the entire aircraft. Scott ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 09:37:53 AM PST US From: bert murillo Subject: RV-List: Need a fairing Hi: - Another thing I loose,- my Nose gear fairing, for my RV6A... Any one has an extra I can buy? - - Before I lost the Empennage Fairing, but later I found it,, that is the way it is... now I have an extra- Tail Fairing.... - Thanks - Bert - RV6A - do not archive=0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:22 AM PST US From: bert murillo Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? I would like to know the reason and benefit of this tool.....? Why? If one is going to fly above 8000, or 10,...the common sense, is to use Oxi gen no?- I do not need to have a tool that tells me my Blood needs more Oxige n.. - Another expense- for what... Am I missing something here?? - Bert --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Robin Marks wrote: From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? I think this is a repeat of a thread from ~9 months ago. I purchased the Ch eckmate on ebay for $99.00 new, no group required. -Zero sales tax, $10.0 0 shipping. - Robin Do Not Archive - From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of K Klewin Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? - If you do and are interested in flying at higher altitudes safely I have be en offered a great discount from our supplier on Checkmate Pulse Oximeters. - If enough folks (5-10) are interested we can get these for $119.95.- Sportys sells these for $169 so its a great price.- - I had my 6A up to 19,000 ft a few weeks ago and these Pulse Oximeters are a great safety tool.- - -Email me at:- bisonmountain@gmail.com- to get on the list.- Link t o our pulse oximeter webpage:- http://www.bisonmountainbags.com/checkmate .html--- We have lots of other cool RV stuff if you have time to visi t.- Thanks. - Kurt www.bisonmountainbags.com bisonmountain@gmail.com - - - -http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronic s.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution - =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 10:51:06 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? From: Michael W Stewart Its a tool to tell you IF you need it, and IF its working, how well its working, and if you need to administer more or less oxygen. This is a safety of flight device for flight in the over 10k ranges. I use mine all the time. Pulse/x is a very good measure of things. Best, Mike, bert murillo To Sent by: rv-list@matronics.com owner-rv-list-ser cc ver@matronics.com Subj ect RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? 09/16/2008 12:52 PM Please respond to rv-list@matronics .com I would like to know the reason and benefit of this tool.....? Why? If one is going to fly above 8000, or 10,...the common sense, is to us e Oxigen no? I do not need to have a tool that tells me my Blood needs more Ox igen.. Another expense for what... Am I missing something here?? Bert --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Robin Marks wrote: From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? To: rv-list@matronics.com Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 5:55 PM I think this is a repeat of a thread from ~9 months ago. I purchased the Checkmate on ebay for $99.00 new, no group required. Zero sales ta x, $10.00 shipping. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server @matronics.com] On Behalf Of K Klewin Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:36 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? If you do and are interested in flying at higher altitudes safely I ha ve been offered a great discount from our supplier on Checkmate Pulse Oximeters. If enough folks (5-10) are interested we can get these for $119.95. Sportys sells these for $169 so its a great price. I had my 6A up to 19,000 ft a few weeks ago and these Pulse Oximeters are a great safety tool. Email me at: bisonmountain@gmail.com to get on the list. Link to o ur pulse oximeter webpage: http://www.bisonmountainbags.com/checkmate. html We have lots of other cool RV stuff if you have time to visit. Thanks . 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I know one woman pilot who needs oxygen above 8,000. Then there are other people who are in really goo d shape and they dont need Ox until 11~12k. =0A=0A-Scott =0A=0A=0A=0A---- - Original Message ----=0AFrom: bert murillo =0ATo: rv-list@matronics.com=0ASent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:52:37 AM=0ASubj ect: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ?=0A=0A=0AI would like to know the reas on and benefit of this tool.....? Why?=0AIf one is going to fly above 8000, or 10,...the common sense, is to use Oxigen=0Ano?- I do not need to have a tool that tells me my Blood needs more Oxigen..=0A=0AAnother expense- for what... Am I missing something here??=0A=0ABert=0A=0A--- On Sat, 9/13/0 8, Robin Marks wrote:=0A=0AFrom: Robin Marks =0ASubject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ?=0ATo: rv-list @matronics.com=0ADate: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 5:55 PM=0A=0A=0AI thin k this is a repeat of a thread from ~9 months ago. 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Also tells you if merely deeper breathing is working to increase your oxygenation. It often helps enough, more than you'd think. Bill B On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 2:27 PM, scott bilinski wrote: > Different people react differently to altitude. I know one woman pilot who > needs oxygen above 8,000. Then there are other people who are in really good > shape and they dont need Ox until 11~12k. > > > Scott > > ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 12:32:06 PM PST US From: bert murillo Subject: Re: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? + scott:- Thanks-- but you did not answer my question,- I know what y ou said... but- why to have a machine to tell you that you need Oxigen....It has bee n written for decades, and that is a fact,- that one must use Oxigen 10,000 and abo ve,- but but,, it is proven that you will be wise to use Oxigen, even- at 5,000 re gardless, it will refresh you and make you- more alert on those long trips.... - So if the person has the Oxi moron,, and it tells him,,, yes you need Oxige n,,then what... look for the cylinders, and connect the thing...? - what if the Oxi moron, tells you,, you do not need Oxigen,, you are at 14,0 00 now,, OH well I do not need Oxigen,,,, nothing of this make sense to me... - Bert - --- On Tue, 9/16/08, scott bilinski wrote: From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? Different people react differently to altitude. I know one woman pilot who needs oxygen above 8,000. Then there are other people who are in really goo d shape and they dont need Ox until 11~12k. -Scott ----- Original Message ---- From: bert murillo Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:52:37 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? I would like to know the reason and benefit of this tool.....? Why? If one is going to fly above 8000, or 10,...the common sense, is to use Oxi gen no?- I do not need to have a tool that tells me my Blood needs more Oxige n.. - Another expense- for what... Am I missing something here?? - Bert --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Robin Marks wrote: From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? I think this is a repeat of a thread from ~9 months ago. I purchased the Ch eckmate on ebay for $99.00 new, no group required. -Zero sales tax, $10.0 0 shipping. - Robin Do Not Archive - From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of K Klewin Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:36 AM Subject: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? - If you do and are interested in flying at higher altitudes safely I have be en offered a great discount from our supplier on Checkmate Pulse Oximeters. - If enough folks (5-10) are interested we can get these for $119.95.- Sportys sells these for $169 so its a great price.- - I had my 6A up to 19,000 ft a few weeks ago and these Pulse Oximeters are a great safety tool.- - -Email me at:- bisonmountain@gmail.com- to get on the list.- Link t o our pulse oximeter webpage:- http://www.bisonmountainbags.com/checkmate .html--- We have lots of other cool RV stuff if you have time to visi t.- Thanks. - Kurt www.bisonmountainbags.com bisonmountain@gmail.com - - - -http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronic s.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution - 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 12:56:06 PM PST US From: "Bill Boyd" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? Bert, oxygen is not simply "on" or "off;" it comes in quantities (liters per minute), and it's fairly expensive. If you are running low on oxygen during a flight where it is called for, it is a precious commodity. Therefore, it is helpful to have a device that tells the pilot how much oxygen is required, so that only this much is used and no more. There is no way to tell by subjective feelings whether the amount of oxygen flow selected is enough, too much, or too little. Only an objective measurement can allow for precise dosing. The only safe alternative to pulse oximetry in flight is to run oxygen flows at much higher rates that are truly needed, just to cover all possibilities. This is wasteful, and can exhaust your oxygen cylinder just when you need it most. Helpful? Bill B On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 3:29 PM, bert murillo wrote: > + > scott: Thanks but you did not answer my question, I know what you > said... > but why to have a machine to tell you that you need Oxigen....It has been > written > for decades, and that is a fact, that one must use Oxigen 10,000 and > above, but > but,, it is proven that you will be wise to use Oxigen, even at 5,000 > regardless, > it will refresh you and make you more alert on those long trips.... > > So if the person has the Oxi moron,, and it tells him,,, yes you need > Oxigen,,then > what... look for the cylinders, and connect the thing...? > > what if the Oxi moron, tells you,, you do not need Oxigen,, you are at > 14,000 > now,, OH well I do not need Oxigen,,,, > nothing of this make sense to me... > > Bert > > > --- On *Tue, 9/16/08, scott bilinski * wrote: > > From: scott bilinski > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 2:27 PM > > Different people react differently to altitude. I know one woman pilot > who needs oxygen above 8,000. Then there are other people who are in really > good shape and they dont need Ox until 11~12k. > > > Scott > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: bert murillo > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:52:37 AM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? > > I would like to know the reason and benefit of this tool.....? Why? > If one is going to fly above 8000, or 10,...the common sense, is to use > Oxigen > no? I do not need to have a tool that tells me my Blood needs more > Oxigen.. > > Another expense for what... Am I missing something here?? > > Bert > > --- On *Sat, 9/13/08, Robin Marks * wrote: > > From: Robin Marks > Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 5:55 PM > > I think this is a repeat of a thread from ~9 months ago. I purchased the > Checkmate on ebay for $99.00 new, no group required. Zero sales tax, $10.00 > shipping. > > > Robin > > Do Not Archive > > > *From:* owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: > owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] *On Behalf Of *K Klewin > *Sent:* Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:36 AM > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com > *Subject:* RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? > > > If you do and are interested in flying at higher altitudes safely I have > been offered a great discount from our supplier on Checkmate Pulse > Oximeters. If enough folks (5-10) are interested we can get these for > $119.95. Sportys sells these for $169 so its a great price. > > > I had my 6A up to 19,000 ft a few weeks ago and these Pulse Oximeters are a > great safety tool. > > > Email me at: bisonmountain@gmail.com to get on the list. Link to our > pulse oximeter webpage: http://www.bisonmountainbags.com/checkmate.html > We have lots of other cool RV stuff if you have time to visit. Thanks. > > > Kurt > > www.bisonmountainbags.com > > bisonmountain@gmail.com > > > * * > > * * > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://forums.matronics.com* > > ** > > ** > > ** > > ** > > *http://www.matronics.com/contribution* > > ** > > * * > > * > > * > > > * > > * > > > * > > * > > > * > > * > > ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 12:59:14 PM PST US From: "Richard Dudley" Subject: Re: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? Hi Bert, I think that the point is that, even if you are using oxygen, a device that measures the oxygen saturation in your blood will tell you that you are receiving ENOUGH oxygen and that your oxygen equipment is working correctly - OR, you are not getting ENOUGH. Possibly increase the flow or as somone said: "take deeper breaths" to assimilate more oxygen. It would be too bad if you go merrily along with the oxygen flowing and not know that you are not getting enough for sufficient oxygen saturation. Measuring the oxygen saturation could give you the confidence that you are OK. Regards, Rich Dudley ----- Original Message ----- From: bert murillo To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 3:29 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? + scott: Thanks but you did not answer my question, I know what you said... but why to have a machine to tell you that you need Oxigen....It has been written for decades, and that is a fact, that one must use Oxigen 10,000 and above, but but,, it is proven that you will be wise to use Oxigen, even at 5,000 regardless, it will refresh you and make you more alert on those long trips.... So if the person has the Oxi moron,, and it tells him,,, yes you need Oxigen,,then what... look for the cylinders, and connect the thing...? what if the Oxi moron, tells you,, you do not need Oxigen,, you are at 14,000 now,, OH well I do not need Oxigen,,,, nothing of this make sense to me... Bert --- On Tue, 9/16/08, scott bilinski wrote: From: scott bilinski Subject: Re: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? To: rv-list@matronics.com Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 2:27 PM Different people react differently to altitude. I know one woman pilot who needs oxygen above 8,000. Then there are other people who are in really good shape and they dont need Ox until 11~12k. Scott ----- Original Message ---- From: bert murillo To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:52:37 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? I would like to know the reason and benefit of this tool.....? Why? If one is going to fly above 8000, or 10,...the common sense, is to use Oxigen no? I do not need to have a tool that tells me my Blood needs more Oxigen.. Another expense for what... Am I missing something here?? Bert --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Robin Marks wrote: From: Robin Marks Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? To: rv-list@matronics.com Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 5:55 PM I think this is a repeat of a thread from ~9 months ago. I purchased the Checkmate on ebay for $99.00 new, no group required. Zero sales tax, $10.00 shipping. Robin Do Not Archive From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K Klewin Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:36 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? If you do and are interested in flying at higher altitudes safely I have been offered a great discount from our supplier on Checkmate Pulse Oximeters. If enough folks (5-10) are interested we can get these for $119.95. Sportys sells these for $169 so its a great price. I had my 6A up to 19,000 ft a few weeks ago and these Pulse Oximeters are a great safety tool. Email me at: bisonmountain@gmail.com to get on the list. Link to our pulse oximeter webpage: http://www.bisonmountainbags.com/checkmate.html We have lots of other cool RV stuff if you have time to visit. Thanks. Kurt www.bisonmountainbags.com bisonmountain@gmail.com http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp ://www.matronics.com/contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 01:18:23 PM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? Bert, The real value of a Pulse Oximeter is that it allows you to reduce the amount of oxygen flowing to the minimum needed for complete oxygenation of your blood. That way your tanks will last longer. FYI, if you are over 40, best start using oxygen above 8,000 feet. Charlie Kuss --- On Tue, 9/16/08, bert murillo wrote: > From: bert murillo > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 3:29 PM > + > scott: Thanks but you did not answer my question, I > know what you said... > but why to have a machine to tell you that you need > Oxigen....It has been written > for decades, and that is a fact, that one must use Oxigen > 10,000 and above, but > but,, it is proven that you will be wise to use Oxigen, > even at 5,000 regardless, > it will refresh you and make you more alert on those long > trips.... > > So if the person has the Oxi moron,, and it tells him,,, > yes you need Oxigen,,then > what... look for the cylinders, and connect the thing...? > > what if the Oxi moron, tells you,, you do not need Oxigen,, > you are at 14,000 > now,, OH well I do not need Oxigen,,,, > nothing of this make sense to me... > > Bert > > > --- On Tue, 9/16/08, scott bilinski > wrote: > > From: scott bilinski > Subject: Re: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 2:27 PM > > > > > > Different people react differently to altitude. I know one > woman pilot who needs oxygen above 8,000. Then there are > other people who are in really good shape and they dont need > Ox until 11~12k. > > > Scott > > > > > ----- Original Message ---- > From: bert murillo > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 9:52:37 AM > Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? > > > > > > > I would like to know the reason and benefit of this > tool.....? Why? > If one is going to fly above 8000, or 10,...the common > sense, is to use Oxigen > no? I do not need to have a tool that tells me my Blood > needs more Oxigen.. > > Another expense for what... Am I missing something here?? > > Bert > > --- On Sat, 9/13/08, Robin Marks > wrote: > > From: Robin Marks > Subject: RE: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, September 13, 2008, 5:55 PM > > > > > > > > > I think this is a repeat of a thread from ~9 months ago. I > purchased the Checkmate on ebay for $99.00 new, no group > required. Zero sales tax, $10.00 shipping. > > Robin > Do Not Archive > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of K > Klewin > Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2008 11:36 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Fly above 8000 ft ? > > > > > > > If you do and are interested in flying at higher altitudes > safely I have been offered a great discount from our > supplier on Checkmate Pulse Oximeters. If enough folks > (5-10) are interested we can get these for $119.95. > Sportys sells these for $169 so its a great price. > > > > I had my 6A up to 19,000 ft a few weeks ago and these Pulse > Oximeters are a great safety tool. > > > > Email me at: bisonmountain@gmail.com to get on the > list. Link to our pulse oximeter webpage: > http://www.bisonmountainbags.com/checkmate.html We > have lots of other cool RV stuff if you have time to > visit. Thanks. > > > > Kurt > > www.bisonmountainbags.com > > bisonmountain@gmail.com > > > > http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-Listhttp://forums.matronics.comhttp://www.matronics.com/contribution > > > > > > > > > > > 3D============================================ > 3D============================================ > 3D============================================ > 3D============================================ ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 02:27:12 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: paint shaker recommendation John Bright wrote: > Can anyone recommend a paint shaker for quart and gallon cans? Harbor freight. Cheap and effective ..... runs on air. Linn do not archive > > Thanks, > > John Bright > o:757-864-2305 > h:757-874-0861 > c:757-812-1909 > http://www.facebook.com/people/John_Bright/1450601073 > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 02:29:20 PM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: Loose bolts I think the original poster stated that nuts WITH cotter pins had loosened. How does this happen? Isn't that what cotter pins are supposed to prevent? If not, they're just extra weight I can eliminate on my -4 :) Scott scott bilinski wrote: > >I have found all sorts of loose bolts on the engine. First it was the exhaust bolts, I had to tighten them 3 times before they would "hold". Then the valve covers started leaking, nothing new, this is "normal". Well the screws were so loose I could remove some with my fingers, now they have been tightened and the leaks have stopped and have not come loose again since. The last couple bolts I found loose were to the case halves! From what I have read about others and their loose hardware experiences, the next upcoming annual just months away, ALL fasteners will be checked over the entire aircraft. > > Scott > > > > > > > -- Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4 Gotta Fly or Gonna Die ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 02:50:01 PM PST US From: BELTEDAIR@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Loose bolts If your cotter pinned bolts are loose, two things to check were they really torqued correctly the first time or did the Bolts STRECH. If they did, replace them. In a message dated 9/16/2008 2:30:29 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, acepilot@bloomer.net writes: --> RV-List message posted by: Scott I think the original poster stated that nuts WITH cotter pins had loosened. How does this happen? Isn't that what cotter pins are supposed to prevent? If not, they're just extra weight I can eliminate on my -4 :) Scott scott bilinski wrote: >--> RV-List message posted by: scott bilinski > >I have found all sorts of loose bolts on the engine. First it was the exhaust bolts, I had to tighten them 3 times before they would "hold". Then the valve covers started leaking, nothing new, this is "normal". Well the screws were so loose I could remove some with my fingers, now they have been tightened and the leaks have stopped and have not come loose again since. The last couple bolts I found loose were to the case halves! From what I have read about others and their loose hardware experiences, the next upcoming annual just months away, ALL fasteners will be checked over the entire aircraft. > > Scott > > > > > > > -- Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4 Gotta Fly or Gonna Die **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 03:58:35 PM PST US From: Tim Lewis Subject: Re: RV-List: paint shaker recommendation I second that recommendation. I've had mine for years. Tim -- Tim Lewis -- HEF (Manassas, VA) RV-6A N47TD -- 1000 hrs RV-10 #40059 under construction linn Walters wrote: > > John Bright wrote: >> Can anyone recommend a paint shaker for quart and gallon cans? > Harbor freight. Cheap and effective ..... runs on air. > Linn > do not archive >> >> Thanks, >> >> John Bright >> o:757-864-2305 >> h:757-874-0861 >> c:757-812-1909 >> http://www.facebook.com/people/John_Bright/1450601073 >> >> * >> >> >> * > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > > Checked by AVG - http://www.avg.com > > ________________________________ Message 21 ____________________________________ Time: 05:09:19 PM PST US From: "John Fasching" Subject: RV-List: Blood Oxygen Levels I have lived at about 7,500-ft for over 20-years now so I am probably a bit more adapted to low levels of Ox then 'flat-landers' but I thought to add one more data point to your discussion regarding oxygen use. Tomorrow I will leave home airport, and climb steadily until 13,500 to cross the continental divide in Colorado....after crossing at Monarch Pass I will descend to 12,500 to cruise altitude for another 45-minutes to my destination. Enroute at various altitudes I will use my rather expensive blood oxygen meter to see what levels of ox I have in my system. At home I usually see 86-89 % saturation. I do have oxygen but will not be using it tomorrow...I've made this trips many times so there's nothing new going on here. I'll post results just to add to the discussion. John ________________________________ Message 22 ____________________________________ Time: 06:23:05 PM PST US From: b e Subject: Re: RV-List: Blood Oxygen Levels John, Us flat landers in the medical community would be ordering you home oxygen and likely portable oxygen if your pulse oximetry showed that low. Normal for most adults is 92% or better. If you are indeed that low on oxygen (adapted or not) think of what your brain is deprived of? Oxygen!! Low oxygen equates to decreased level of consciousness, slowed brain function, and even possible damage to the brain cells. BTW, this low of pulse ox is usually seen in those with emphysema or COPD. Also, don't let your AME know this, he'll ground you in a heartbeat. Just my half of a nickels worth of input. Barry Chapman, Family Nurse Practitioner RV-9A wings in progress Do not archive ----- Original Message ---- From: John Fasching Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:07:49 PM Subject: RV-List: Blood Oxygen Levels I have lived at about 7,500-ft for over 20-years now so I am probably a bit more adapted to low levels of Ox then 'flat-landers' but I thought to add one more data point to your discussion regarding oxygen use. Tomorrow I will leave home airport, and climb steadily until 13,500 to cross the continental divide in Colorado....after crossing at Monarch Pass I will descend to 12,500 to cruise altitude for another 45-minutes to my destination. Enroute at various altitudes I will use my rather expensive blood oxygen meter to see what levels of ox I have in my system. At home I usually see 86-89 % saturation. I do have oxygen but will not be using it tomorrow...I've made this trips many times so there's nothing new going on here. I'll post results just to add to the discussion. John Thank you for your generous support! Hey John, ________________________________ Message 23 ____________________________________ Time: 06:56:57 PM PST US From: RV6 Flyer Subject: RE: RV-List: Blood Oxygen Levels John: Someone like me that lives near sea level=2C I would be falling asleep at t hat low of O2 level. I have O2 and one of the old expensive blood oxygen m eters. I need O2 when flying for more than 2 hours above 9=2C500. Gary A. Sobek "My Sanity" RV-6 N157GS O-320 Hartzell=2C 2=2C159 + Flying Hours So. CA=2C USA From: n1cxo320@salidaco.com Subject: RV-List: Blood Oxygen Levels I have lived at about 7=2C500-ft for over 20-years now so I am probably a bit more adapted to low levels of Ox then 'flat-land ers' but I thought to add one more data point to your discussion regarding oxyge n use. Tomorrow I will leave home airport=2C and climb steadily until 13=2C500 to cross the continental divide in Colorado....afte r crossing at Monarch Pass I will descend to 12=2C500 to cruise altitude for another 45-minutes to my destination. Enroute at various altitudes I will use my rather expensive blood oxygen meter to see what levels of ox I have in my system. At home I usually see 86-89 % saturation. I do have oxygen but will not be using it tomorrow...I've made this trips many times so there's nothing new going on here. I'll post results just to add to the discussion. John _________________________________________________________________ See how Windows Mobile brings your life together=97at home=2C work=2C or on the go. ________________________________ Message 24 ____________________________________ Time: 07:23:55 PM PST US From: Fiveonepw@AOL.COM Subject: Re: RV-List: Loose bolts This is a phenomenon I have experienced on my RV-6A and also by other RV builders I know. It was actually brought to my attention by another builder. (Thanks, Charlie Bravo!) After some hours in operation, engine vibration & flight loads will tend to compress the stack of materials at the engine mount bolt locations on the firewall, resulting in a natural loosening of the nuts. Each annual condition inspection, this is an item I religiously check and address as necessary. Mark Phillips - RV-6A "Mojo" 500 hours and warming up for the next C.I.... **************Psssst...Have you heard the news? There's a new fashion blog, plus the latest fall trends and hair styles at StyleList.com. (http://www.stylelist.com/trends?ncid=aolsty00050000000014) ________________________________ Message 25 ____________________________________ Time: 08:38:16 PM PST US From: "Todd Bartrim" Subject: RE: RV-List: paint shaker recommendation Strap it to the top of your Lycoming? :-) Hey, somebody had to say it! Do not archive Todd (I can't help myself sometimes) Mazda 13B RV9a -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of John Bright Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2008 7:44 AM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: paint shaker recommendation Can anyone recommend a paint shaker for quart and gallon cans? 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