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1. 05:45 AM - Re: Picture Source... (Michael W Stewart)
2. 06:40 AM - Re: Efis question (bert murillo)
3. 07:11 AM - Re: Efis questionEfis question (Valovich, Paul)
4. 07:26 AM - Re: Efis question (Ron Lee)
5. 08:39 AM - Re: Efis question (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
6. 09:26 AM - Re: Picture Source... (Matt Dralle)
7. 09:50 AM - Re: Picture Source... (Michael W Stewart)
8. 01:53 PM - Plexi-Safe Paint (Dwight Frye)
9. 03:52 PM - Radio Problem (rveighta)
10. 04:15 PM - Re: Plexi-Safe Paint (Bill Schlatterer)
11. 04:40 PM - Re: Radio Problem (Randy Hooper)
12. 05:17 PM - Re: Radio Problem (Scott)
13. 06:33 PM - Re: Radio Problem (rv6n@optonline.net)
14. 06:42 PM - Tail wheel bolt torque (George Inman 204 287 8334)
15. 07:38 PM - Re: Efis question (David Maib)
16. 07:44 PM - Re: Radio Problem (Jerry Grimmonpre)
17. 08:49 PM - Re: Efis question (Timothy E. Cone)
18. 09:30 PM - Re: Efis question (Ron Lee)
19. 09:51 PM - Re: Plexi-Safe Paint (howtocrimp@gmail.com)
20. 11:34 PM - Re: Efis question (Timothy E. Cone)
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| Subject: | Re: Picture Source... |
Matt, The plane is Pauls. Hangers at KPDK.
The color is Ford Red Fire Pearl.
The color code is G2 and its from 2002-2005 Ford Mustangs.
Thats the color I also used cause I used to have to stare at Paul flyin
g
off my wing all the time. Loved it.
Its very translucent, takes quite a few coats.
The paint mixer said it was the most expensive production color her has
ever mixed.
MIke
.
Matt Dralle
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09/19/2008 11:46 RV-List: Picture Source...
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Does anyone know where this picture came from off the Van's web site?
I'd
love to get some other shots of this particular aircraft as I want to p
aint
my RV-8 the same color.
Thanks for any leads...
Matt
(See attached file: profile_image.jpg)
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Bruce:
you have a glassair?- any how what is the answer...
--- On Sun, 9/21/08, Bruce Gray <Bruce@glasair.org> wrote:
From: Bruce Gray <Bruce@glasair.org>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Efis question
Probably dead.
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Bruce
www.Glasair.org
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:24 PM
Subject: RV-List: Efis question
Hi:
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I posted this before did not go thru...I try again..
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I will be ready soon to install my Efis..10-- the question is what happpe
ns if this
thing failed,- I understand I have to remove my Attitud Ind., if nothing
else for
lack of space, which is the case for me...now you would be without the most
important
Indicator...specially under IMC,,
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Would like to hear comments, for those with experience on this unit etc..
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Bert
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| Subject: | Re: Efis questionEfis question |
I am finishing the panel on my -8A. Spent a lot of time analyzing "what ifs
?" regarding failure modes. Finally settled on an AFS-3500, with a TruTrac
ADI II for attitude back up - along with a Garmin 496 for a rough last ditc
h "get it right side up" capability. SL40 NavCom with an ICOM backup. Regul
ar airspeed, altimeter, vsi as backup.
In my opinion, regularly going IMC with only a single EFIS and no backup wi
ll eventually get you killed.
FWIW.
Paul Valovich
N192NM Reserved - Again!
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| Subject: | Re: Efis question |
Bert, if you are IMC and all you have is an EFIS for spatial orientation
and you lose it then most likely within a minute or two you will enter
uncontrolled flight and will soon be dead.
People...think about what you are doing.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Efis question |
Ron, That is a great point.
Jim
RV9a building - MN
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From: Ron Lee
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question
Bert, if you are IMC and all you have is an EFIS for spatial
orientation
and you lose it then most likely within a minute or two you will enter
uncontrolled flight and will soon be dead.
People...think about what you are doing.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Picture Source... |
Sweet! I've seen that color on the Mustangs and always thought that was the color
I wanted to paint my RV. That color code is going in my book of things to
remember!
I wonder if its a two or three stage application?
Thanks!
Matt
At 05:43 AM 9/22/2008 Monday, you wrote:
>Matt, The plane is Pauls. Hangers at KPDK.
>The color is Ford Red Fire Pearl.
>The color code is G2 and its from 2002-2005 Ford Mustangs.
>Thats the color I also used cause I used to have to stare at Paul flying off my
wing all the time. Loved it.
>Its very translucent, takes quite a few coats.
>The paint mixer said it was the most expensive production color her has ever mixed.
>MIke
>
>
>Does anyone know where this picture came from off the Van's web site? I'd love
to get some other shots of this particular aircraft as I want to paint my RV-8
the same color.
>
>Thanks for any leads...
>
>Matt
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft
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| Subject: | Re: Picture Source... |
Its 2 satge both at the ford factory, and in my basement where I painte
d
mine.
I recommend before you get too settled on it to check a local supplier
of
automotive paint and the cost. You may just have to find a second job.
I paid $1249/gallon 4 years ago, I used 3 gallons of red alone. Does no
t
include activator, hardener, reducer etc. Its expensive. I used Sikkens
. It
shoots beautifully. I get many positive comments from on-lookers. The w
omen
swoon over it:)
Mike
Matt Dralle
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Sweet! I've seen that color on the Mustangs and always thought that wa
s
the color I wanted to paint my RV. That color code is going in my book
of
things to remember!
I wonder if its a two or three stage application?
Thanks!
Matt
At 05:43 AM 9/22/2008 Monday, you wrote:
>Matt, The plane is Pauls. Hangers at KPDK.
>The color is Ford Red Fire Pearl.
>The color code is G2 and its from 2002-2005 Ford Mustangs.
>Thats the color I also used cause I used to have to stare at Paul flyi
ng
off my wing all the time. Loved it.
>Its very translucent, takes quite a few coats.
>The paint mixer said it was the most expensive production color her ha
s
ever mixed.
>MIke
>
>
>Does anyone know where this picture came from off the Van's web site?
I'd
love to get some other shots of this particular aircraft as I want to p
aint
my RV-8 the same color.
>
>Thanks for any leads...
>
>Matt
Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551
925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email
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| Subject: | Plexi-Safe Paint |
Hi folks ... I just finished gluing my canopy this last weekend (and I
am -very- pleased with the results). I want to do some touchup where the
Sika primer didn't really make a nice clean/crisp line against the masking
tape. I just need to remask and go in with a small amount of black paint,
and need to know what is safe to use with the plexi. I guess it needs to
work safely with the Sika primer as well.
Anyone got any suggestions? I've gotten suggestions from other forums, but
thought I'd ask here as well. Thanks!
-- Dwight
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Guys, I have an Apollo SL-30 in my RV-8 which has a rather unique (to me anyway)
problem; on the ground, even with the engine running at high rpm, the radio
works flawlessly, in the air it's a different story. As soon as I take off, a
loud background noise begins which makes receiving transmissions nearly impossible.
Usually, sometime during the flight, this noise goes away and the reception
is crystal clear!
I have a belly mounted Comant bent whip antenna. Coax connections are tight. Any
ideas of what the problem is?
Walt Shipley
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| Subject: | Plexi-Safe Paint |
Dwight, the folks at Airplane Plastics (Vans supplier) told me that Krylon
or Rustoleum is fine. BUT NEVER use anything like lacquer thinners, acetone,
etc to clean prior to painting. They also told me to clean it with 70%
isopropyl alcohol from the local Walgreens and that has worked well for me
on light glues and Sharpie marks. I used some flat black Krylon on the back
tail of my canopy just to cover up the glue/rivet lines and it seems to have
adhered well and caused no issues. Scuffed it, wiped with alcohol, painted
it. Don't know about the Sika.
Suggest you call them directly if in doubt, their number is 937-669-2677,
you'll feel better if you call ;-)
Bill S
7a finishing.
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:59 PM
Subject: RV-List: Plexi-Safe Paint
Hi folks ... I just finished gluing my canopy this last weekend (and I am
-very- pleased with the results). I want to do some touchup where the Sika
primer didn't really make a nice clean/crisp line against the masking tape.
I just need to remask and go in with a small amount of black paint, and need
to know what is safe to use with the plexi. I guess it needs to work safely
with the Sika primer as well.
Anyone got any suggestions? I've gotten suggestions from other forums, but
thought I'd ask here as well. Thanks!
-- Dwight
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Problem |
Walt, try disconnecting your ELT antennae. I had a situation once where the
ELT would receive an AM band broadcast and then generate a signal that would
make reception of com transmission unintelligible. This would happen on the
low end of the VHF band.
Changing the ELT antennae cured my problem.
Hope this helps.
Randy Hooper
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:51 PM, rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> Guys, I have an Apollo SL-30 in my RV-8 which has a rather unique (to me
> anyway) problem; on the ground, even with the engine running at high rpm,
> the radio works flawlessly, in the air it's a different story. As soon as I
> take off, a loud background noise begins which makes receiving transmissions
> nearly impossible. Usually, sometime during the flight, this noise goes away
> and the reception is crystal clear!
>
> I have a belly mounted Comant bent whip antenna. Coax connections are
> tight. Any ideas of what the problem is?
>
> Walt Shipley
>
>
--
Randy Hooper
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Problem |
It might be static buildup as you are flying along. In the Air Force,
our planes had "static wicks" on the trailing edge of the wings and tail
surfaces to dissipate the charge buildup....
Scott
rveighta wrote:
>
>Guys, I have an Apollo SL-30 in my RV-8 which has a rather unique (to me anyway)
problem; on the ground, even with the engine running at high rpm, the radio
works flawlessly, in the air it's a different story. As soon as I take off, a
loud background noise begins which makes receiving transmissions nearly impossible.
Usually, sometime during the flight, this noise goes away and the reception
is crystal clear!
>
>I have a belly mounted Comant bent whip antenna. Coax connections are tight. Any
ideas of what the problem is?
>
>Walt Shipley
>
>
>
>
--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Problem |
Walt,
I have a similar problem with my SL40, same antenna too. Unfortunately the background
noise does not clear up after a while for me like your's does. Garmin
said it was probably due to static build-up during flight but I have not figured
out how to eliminate it. If you figure this out please let me know too.
My problem is mostly related with the intercom, not the com. I have a rubber
duck antenna on my ELT from my hand-held nav-com.
There must be a way to fix this without adding static wicks.
Bob
----- Original Message -----
From: rveighta
Subject: RV-List: Radio Problem
>
> Guys, I have an Apollo SL-30 in my RV-8 which has a rather
> unique (to me anyway) problem; on the ground, even with the
> engine running at high rpm, the radio works flawlessly, in the
> air it's a different story. As soon as I take off, a loud
> background noise begins which makes receiving transmissions
> nearly impossible. Usually, sometime during the flight, this
> noise goes away and the reception is crystal clear!
>
> I have a belly mounted Comant bent whip antenna. Coax
> connections are tight. Any ideas of what the problem is?
>
> Walt Shipley
>
>
>
>
>
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| Subject: | Tail wheel bolt torque |
What torque do you use for the 1/2 inch nut
that holds the tailwhel fork on
the spring?
The torque for 1/2 in. bolts is 480 inch lbs ,but when
it is this tight the fork
is hard to turn in the mount.
--
George H. Inman
ghinman@mts.net
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| Subject: | Re: Efis question |
That is true whether it is an EFIS or a "steam gauge" attitude
indicator that is your sole spatial orientation reference.
David Maib
On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty
wrote:
Ron, That is a great point.
Jim
RV9a building - MN
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From: Ron Lee
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question
Bert, if you are IMC and all you have is an EFIS for spatial orientation
and you lose it then most likely within a minute or two you will enter
uncontrolled flight and will soon be dead.
People...think about what you are doing.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Radio Problem |
Walt ... you could run this by the Aeroelectric List at
aeroelectric-list@matronics.com and Bob Nuckolls could suggest some
things to try.
Bob is very good at finding the mysteries of black art. Let us know
what happens. Good luck, Jerry
> Guys, I have an Apollo SL-30 in my RV-8 which has a rather
> unique (to me anyway) problem; on the ground, even with the
> engine running at high rpm, the radio works flawlessly, in the
> air it's a different story. As soon as I take off, a loud
> background noise begins which makes receiving transmissions
> nearly impossible. Usually, sometime during the flight, this
> noise goes away and the reception is crystal clear!
>
> I have a belly mounted Comant bent whip antenna. Coax
> connections are tight. Any ideas of what the problem is?
>
> Walt Shipley
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| Subject: | Re: Efis question |
Since when is a loss of ADI or artificial horizon an automatic trip to
the morgue?
Don't they teach "partial panel" anymore?
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From: David Maib
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:34 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question
That is true whether it is an EFIS or a "steam gauge" attitude
indicator that is your sole spatial orientation reference.
David Maib
On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty
wrote:
Ron, That is a great point.
Jim
RV9a building - MN
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Lee
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:25 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question
Bert, if you are IMC and all you have is an EFIS for spatial
orientation
and you lose it then most likely within a minute or two you will
enter
uncontrolled flight and will soon be dead.
People...think about what you are doing.
Ron Lee
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| Subject: | Re: Efis question |
Do you think that most people are competent at partial panel in IMC?
The oroginal poster suggested that panel space was an issue which I find
hard to believe.
Perhaps a good wing-leveler/autopilot might save you in you lost your
only attitude source.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy E. Cone
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question
Since when is a loss of ADI or artificial horizon an automatic trip to
the morgue?
Don't they teach "partial panel" anymore?
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| Subject: | Re: Plexi-Safe Paint |
Dwight & Bill:
Bill is very correct in telling you to use isopropyl alcohol to clean the
area where you be painting.
One caveat about using alcohol on thermo formed acrylic is don't use it to
clean the rest of the surface. It is tempting to use it since it does a good
job, but I have found that it will eventually will cause grazing in the
canopy. It has to do with the stresses caused by the thermo forming.
I have found Brillianize to be a good cleaner that reduces static dust
attraction and leaves a small bit of surface protection after it ragged off.
But do not use it before painting, your paint won't stick to
it.<http://www.internationalplasticsinc.com/brillianize.php>
Best regards,
John Caldwell
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Bill Schlatterer <
billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net>
>
> Dwight, the folks at Airplane Plastics (Vans supplier) told me that Krylon
> or Rustoleum is fine. BUT NEVER use anything like lacquer thinners,
> acetone,
> etc to clean prior to painting. They also told me to clean it with 70%
> isopropyl alcohol from the local Walgreens and that has worked well for me
> on light glues and Sharpie marks. I used some flat black Krylon on the back
> tail of my canopy just to cover up the glue/rivet lines and it seems to
> have
> adhered well and caused no issues. Scuffed it, wiped with alcohol, painted
> it. Don't know about the Sika.
>
> Suggest you call them directly if in doubt, their number is 937-669-2677,
> you'll feel better if you call ;-)
>
> Bill S
> 7a finishing.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye
> Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:59 PM
> To: RV Mailing List
> Subject: RV-List: Plexi-Safe Paint
>
>
> Hi folks ... I just finished gluing my canopy this last weekend (and I am
> -very- pleased with the results). I want to do some touchup where the Sika
> primer didn't really make a nice clean/crisp line against the masking tape.
> I just need to remask and go in with a small amount of black paint, and
> need
> to know what is safe to use with the plexi. I guess it needs to work safely
> with the Sika primer as well.
>
> Anyone got any suggestions? I've gotten suggestions from other forums, but
> thought I'd ask here as well. Thanks!
>
> -- Dwight
>
> do not archive
>
>
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Best regards,
John Caldwell
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| Subject: | Re: Efis question |
I'm really not trying to be snide, but if they aren't competent at
partial panel, what in the heck are they doing penetrating IMC????
Betting their life that everything works? I'll take the odds in Vegas
over that bet, any day.
Training is a much better investment than ANY gizmo.
Tim Cone
----- Original Message -----
From: Ron Lee
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:27 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question
Do you think that most people are competent at partial panel in IMC?
The oroginal poster suggested that panel space was an issue which I
find
hard to believe.
Perhaps a good wing-leveler/autopilot might save you in you lost your
only attitude source.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: Timothy E. Cone
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:48 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question
Since when is a loss of ADI or artificial horizon an automatic trip
to the morgue?
Don't they teach "partial panel" anymore?
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