---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 09/22/08: 20 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:45 AM - Re: Picture Source... (Michael W Stewart) 2. 06:40 AM - Re: Efis question (bert murillo) 3. 07:11 AM - Re: Efis questionEfis question (Valovich, Paul) 4. 07:26 AM - Re: Efis question (Ron Lee) 5. 08:39 AM - Re: Efis question (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty) 6. 09:26 AM - Re: Picture Source... (Matt Dralle) 7. 09:50 AM - Re: Picture Source... (Michael W Stewart) 8. 01:53 PM - Plexi-Safe Paint (Dwight Frye) 9. 03:52 PM - Radio Problem (rveighta) 10. 04:15 PM - Re: Plexi-Safe Paint (Bill Schlatterer) 11. 04:40 PM - Re: Radio Problem (Randy Hooper) 12. 05:17 PM - Re: Radio Problem (Scott) 13. 06:33 PM - Re: Radio Problem (rv6n@optonline.net) 14. 06:42 PM - Tail wheel bolt torque (George Inman 204 287 8334) 15. 07:38 PM - Re: Efis question (David Maib) 16. 07:44 PM - Re: Radio Problem (Jerry Grimmonpre) 17. 08:49 PM - Re: Efis question (Timothy E. Cone) 18. 09:30 PM - Re: Efis question (Ron Lee) 19. 09:51 PM - Re: Plexi-Safe Paint (howtocrimp@gmail.com) 20. 11:34 PM - Re: Efis question (Timothy E. Cone) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:45:22 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Picture Source... From: Michael W Stewart Matt, The plane is Pauls. Hangers at KPDK. The color is Ford Red Fire Pearl. The color code is G2 and its from 2002-2005 Ford Mustangs. Thats the color I also used cause I used to have to stare at Paul flyin g off my wing all the time. Loved it. Its very translucent, takes quite a few coats. The paint mixer said it was the most expensive production color her has ever mixed. MIke .. Matt Dralle To Sent by: rv-list@matronics.com, owner-rv-list-ser rv8-list@matronics.com ver@matronics.com cc Subj ect 09/19/2008 11:46 RV-List: Picture Source... AM Please respond to rv-list@matronics .com Does anyone know where this picture came from off the Van's web site? I'd love to get some other shots of this particular aircraft as I want to p aint my RV-8 the same color. Thanks for any leads... Matt (See attached file: profile_image.jpg) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:40:13 AM PST US From: bert murillo Subject: RE: RV-List: Efis question Bruce: you have a glassair?- any how what is the answer... --- On Sun, 9/21/08, Bruce Gray wrote: From: Bruce Gray Subject: RE: RV-List: Efis question Probably dead. - - Bruce www.Glasair.org - -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro nics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2008 1:24 PM Subject: RV-List: Efis question Hi: - I posted this before did not go thru...I try again.. - I will be ready soon to install my Efis..10-- the question is what happpe ns if this thing failed,- I understand I have to remove my Attitud Ind., if nothing else for lack of space, which is the case for me...now you would be without the most important Indicator...specially under IMC,, - Would like to hear comments, for those with experience on this unit etc.. - Bert - rv6a - do not archive 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List"'>http://www.matron3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D =3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D href='3D"http://forums.matronics.com"'>http://forums.matronics.com 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D href='3D"http://www.matronics.com/contribution"'>http://www.matronics.com /contribution 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D=3D= 3D =0A=0A=0A ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 07:11:38 AM PST US From: "Valovich, Paul" Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis questionEfis question I am finishing the panel on my -8A. Spent a lot of time analyzing "what ifs ?" regarding failure modes. Finally settled on an AFS-3500, with a TruTrac ADI II for attitude back up - along with a Garmin 496 for a rough last ditc h "get it right side up" capability. SL40 NavCom with an ICOM backup. Regul ar airspeed, altimeter, vsi as backup. In my opinion, regularly going IMC with only a single EFIS and no backup wi ll eventually get you killed. FWIW. Paul Valovich N192NM Reserved - Again! ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 07:26:21 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question Bert, if you are IMC and all you have is an EFIS for spatial orientation and you lose it then most likely within a minute or two you will enter uncontrolled flight and will soon be dead. People...think about what you are doing. Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 08:39:34 AM PST US From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question Ron, That is a great point. Jim RV9a building - MN ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lee To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question Bert, if you are IMC and all you have is an EFIS for spatial orientation and you lose it then most likely within a minute or two you will enter uncontrolled flight and will soon be dead. People...think about what you are doing. Ron Lee ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 9/22/2008 6:39 AM ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:26:00 AM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: Re: RV-List: Picture Source... Sweet! I've seen that color on the Mustangs and always thought that was the color I wanted to paint my RV. That color code is going in my book of things to remember! I wonder if its a two or three stage application? Thanks! Matt At 05:43 AM 9/22/2008 Monday, you wrote: >Matt, The plane is Pauls. Hangers at KPDK. >The color is Ford Red Fire Pearl. >The color code is G2 and its from 2002-2005 Ford Mustangs. >Thats the color I also used cause I used to have to stare at Paul flying off my wing all the time. Loved it. >Its very translucent, takes quite a few coats. >The paint mixer said it was the most expensive production color her has ever mixed. >MIke > > >Does anyone know where this picture came from off the Van's web site? I'd love to get some other shots of this particular aircraft as I want to paint my RV-8 the same color. > >Thanks for any leads... > >Matt Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 09:50:59 AM PST US Subject: Re: RV-List: Picture Source... From: Michael W Stewart Its 2 satge both at the ford factory, and in my basement where I painte d mine. I recommend before you get too settled on it to check a local supplier of automotive paint and the cost. You may just have to find a second job. I paid $1249/gallon 4 years ago, I used 3 gallons of red alone. Does no t include activator, hardener, reducer etc. Its expensive. I used Sikkens . It shoots beautifully. I get many positive comments from on-lookers. The w omen swoon over it:) Mike Matt Dralle To Sent by: rv-list@matronics.com owner-rv-list-ser cc ver@matronics.com Subj ect Re: RV-List: Picture Source... 09/22/2008 12:23 PM Please respond to rv-list@matronics .com Sweet! I've seen that color on the Mustangs and always thought that wa s the color I wanted to paint my RV. That color code is going in my book of things to remember! I wonder if its a two or three stage application? Thanks! Matt At 05:43 AM 9/22/2008 Monday, you wrote: >Matt, The plane is Pauls. Hangers at KPDK. >The color is Ford Red Fire Pearl. >The color code is G2 and its from 2002-2005 Ford Mustangs. >Thats the color I also used cause I used to have to stare at Paul flyi ng off my wing all the time. Loved it. >Its very translucent, takes quite a few coats. >The paint mixer said it was the most expensive production color her ha s ever mixed. >MIke > > >Does anyone know where this picture came from off the Van's web site? I'd love to get some other shots of this particular aircraft as I want to p aint my RV-8 the same color. > >Thanks for any leads... > >Matt Matt G Dralle | Matronics | PO Box 347 | Livermore | CA | 94551 925-606-1001 V | 925-606-6281 F | dralle@matronics.com Email http://www.matronics.com/ WWW | Featuring Products For Aircraft ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ======================== ============ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 01:53:18 PM PST US From: Dwight Frye Subject: RV-List: Plexi-Safe Paint Hi folks ... I just finished gluing my canopy this last weekend (and I am -very- pleased with the results). I want to do some touchup where the Sika primer didn't really make a nice clean/crisp line against the masking tape. I just need to remask and go in with a small amount of black paint, and need to know what is safe to use with the plexi. I guess it needs to work safely with the Sika primer as well. Anyone got any suggestions? I've gotten suggestions from other forums, but thought I'd ask here as well. Thanks! -- Dwight do not archive ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 03:52:52 PM PST US From: rveighta Subject: RV-List: Radio Problem Guys, I have an Apollo SL-30 in my RV-8 which has a rather unique (to me anyway) problem; on the ground, even with the engine running at high rpm, the radio works flawlessly, in the air it's a different story. As soon as I take off, a loud background noise begins which makes receiving transmissions nearly impossible. Usually, sometime during the flight, this noise goes away and the reception is crystal clear! I have a belly mounted Comant bent whip antenna. Coax connections are tight. Any ideas of what the problem is? Walt Shipley ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 04:15:43 PM PST US From: "Bill Schlatterer" Subject: RE: RV-List: Plexi-Safe Paint Dwight, the folks at Airplane Plastics (Vans supplier) told me that Krylon or Rustoleum is fine. BUT NEVER use anything like lacquer thinners, acetone, etc to clean prior to painting. They also told me to clean it with 70% isopropyl alcohol from the local Walgreens and that has worked well for me on light glues and Sharpie marks. I used some flat black Krylon on the back tail of my canopy just to cover up the glue/rivet lines and it seems to have adhered well and caused no issues. Scuffed it, wiped with alcohol, painted it. Don't know about the Sika. Suggest you call them directly if in doubt, their number is 937-669-2677, you'll feel better if you call ;-) Bill S 7a finishing. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:59 PM Subject: RV-List: Plexi-Safe Paint Hi folks ... I just finished gluing my canopy this last weekend (and I am -very- pleased with the results). I want to do some touchup where the Sika primer didn't really make a nice clean/crisp line against the masking tape. I just need to remask and go in with a small amount of black paint, and need to know what is safe to use with the plexi. I guess it needs to work safely with the Sika primer as well. Anyone got any suggestions? I've gotten suggestions from other forums, but thought I'd ask here as well. Thanks! -- Dwight do not archive ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 04:40:02 PM PST US From: "Randy Hooper" Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Problem Walt, try disconnecting your ELT antennae. I had a situation once where the ELT would receive an AM band broadcast and then generate a signal that would make reception of com transmission unintelligible. This would happen on the low end of the VHF band. Changing the ELT antennae cured my problem. Hope this helps. Randy Hooper On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 5:51 PM, rveighta wrote: > > Guys, I have an Apollo SL-30 in my RV-8 which has a rather unique (to me > anyway) problem; on the ground, even with the engine running at high rpm, > the radio works flawlessly, in the air it's a different story. As soon as I > take off, a loud background noise begins which makes receiving transmissions > nearly impossible. Usually, sometime during the flight, this noise goes away > and the reception is crystal clear! > > I have a belly mounted Comant bent whip antenna. Coax connections are > tight. Any ideas of what the problem is? > > Walt Shipley > > -- Randy Hooper ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 05:17:38 PM PST US From: Scott Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Problem It might be static buildup as you are flying along. In the Air Force, our planes had "static wicks" on the trailing edge of the wings and tail surfaces to dissipate the charge buildup.... Scott rveighta wrote: > >Guys, I have an Apollo SL-30 in my RV-8 which has a rather unique (to me anyway) problem; on the ground, even with the engine running at high rpm, the radio works flawlessly, in the air it's a different story. As soon as I take off, a loud background noise begins which makes receiving transmissions nearly impossible. Usually, sometime during the flight, this noise goes away and the reception is crystal clear! > >I have a belly mounted Comant bent whip antenna. Coax connections are tight. Any ideas of what the problem is? > >Walt Shipley > > > > -- Scott http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4 Gotta Fly or Gonna Die ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 06:33:59 PM PST US From: rv6n@optonline.net Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Problem Walt, I have a similar problem with my SL40, same antenna too. Unfortunately the background noise does not clear up after a while for me like your's does. Garmin said it was probably due to static build-up during flight but I have not figured out how to eliminate it. If you figure this out please let me know too. My problem is mostly related with the intercom, not the com. I have a rubber duck antenna on my ELT from my hand-held nav-com. There must be a way to fix this without adding static wicks. Bob ----- Original Message ----- From: rveighta Subject: RV-List: Radio Problem > > Guys, I have an Apollo SL-30 in my RV-8 which has a rather > unique (to me anyway) problem; on the ground, even with the > engine running at high rpm, the radio works flawlessly, in the > air it's a different story. As soon as I take off, a loud > background noise begins which makes receiving transmissions > nearly impossible. Usually, sometime during the flight, this > noise goes away and the reception is crystal clear! > > I have a belly mounted Comant bent whip antenna. Coax > connections are tight. Any ideas of what the problem is? > > Walt Shipley > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:42:14 PM PST US From: George Inman 204 287 8334 Subject: RV-List: Tail wheel bolt torque What torque do you use for the 1/2 inch nut that holds the tailwhel fork on the spring? The torque for 1/2 in. bolts is 480 inch lbs ,but when it is this tight the fork is hard to turn in the mount. -- George H. Inman ghinman@mts.net ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:38:58 PM PST US From: David Maib Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question That is true whether it is an EFIS or a "steam gauge" attitude indicator that is your sole spatial orientation reference. David Maib On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote: Ron, That is a great point. Jim RV9a building - MN ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lee Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question Bert, if you are IMC and all you have is an EFIS for spatial orientation and you lose it then most likely within a minute or two you will enter uncontrolled flight and will soon be dead. People...think about what you are doing. Ron Lee href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http:// www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c 9/22/2008 6:39 AM ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:44:25 PM PST US From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" Subject: Re: RV-List: Radio Problem Walt ... you could run this by the Aeroelectric List at aeroelectric-list@matronics.com and Bob Nuckolls could suggest some things to try. Bob is very good at finding the mysteries of black art. Let us know what happens. Good luck, Jerry > Guys, I have an Apollo SL-30 in my RV-8 which has a rather > unique (to me anyway) problem; on the ground, even with the > engine running at high rpm, the radio works flawlessly, in the > air it's a different story. As soon as I take off, a loud > background noise begins which makes receiving transmissions > nearly impossible. Usually, sometime during the flight, this > noise goes away and the reception is crystal clear! > > I have a belly mounted Comant bent whip antenna. Coax > connections are tight. Any ideas of what the problem is? > > Walt Shipley ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:49:39 PM PST US From: "Timothy E. Cone" Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question Since when is a loss of ADI or artificial horizon an automatic trip to the morgue? Don't they teach "partial panel" anymore? ----- Original Message ----- From: David Maib To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 7:34 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question That is true whether it is an EFIS or a "steam gauge" attitude indicator that is your sole spatial orientation reference. David Maib On Sep 22, 2008, at 10:38 AM, Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote: Ron, That is a great point. Jim RV9a building - MN ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lee To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:25 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question Bert, if you are IMC and all you have is an EFIS for spatial orientation and you lose it then most likely within a minute or two you will enter uncontrolled flight and will soon be dead. People...think about what you are doing. Ron Lee href="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics. com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- 9/22/2008 6:39 AM http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/c ontribution ________________________________ Message 18 ____________________________________ Time: 09:30:50 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question Do you think that most people are competent at partial panel in IMC? The oroginal poster suggested that panel space was an issue which I find hard to believe. Perhaps a good wing-leveler/autopilot might save you in you lost your only attitude source. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy E. Cone To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question Since when is a loss of ADI or artificial horizon an automatic trip to the morgue? Don't they teach "partial panel" anymore? ________________________________ Message 19 ____________________________________ Time: 09:51:25 PM PST US From: howtocrimp@gmail.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Plexi-Safe Paint Dwight & Bill: Bill is very correct in telling you to use isopropyl alcohol to clean the area where you be painting. One caveat about using alcohol on thermo formed acrylic is don't use it to clean the rest of the surface. It is tempting to use it since it does a good job, but I have found that it will eventually will cause grazing in the canopy. It has to do with the stresses caused by the thermo forming. I have found Brillianize to be a good cleaner that reduces static dust attraction and leaves a small bit of surface protection after it ragged off. But do not use it before painting, your paint won't stick to it. Best regards, John Caldwell On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:12 PM, Bill Schlatterer < billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net> wrote: > billschlatterer@sbcglobal.net> > > Dwight, the folks at Airplane Plastics (Vans supplier) told me that Krylon > or Rustoleum is fine. BUT NEVER use anything like lacquer thinners, > acetone, > etc to clean prior to painting. They also told me to clean it with 70% > isopropyl alcohol from the local Walgreens and that has worked well for me > on light glues and Sharpie marks. I used some flat black Krylon on the back > tail of my canopy just to cover up the glue/rivet lines and it seems to > have > adhered well and caused no issues. Scuffed it, wiped with alcohol, painted > it. Don't know about the Sika. > > Suggest you call them directly if in doubt, their number is 937-669-2677, > you'll feel better if you call ;-) > > Bill S > 7a finishing. > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye > Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 3:59 PM > To: RV Mailing List > Subject: RV-List: Plexi-Safe Paint > > > Hi folks ... I just finished gluing my canopy this last weekend (and I am > -very- pleased with the results). I want to do some touchup where the Sika > primer didn't really make a nice clean/crisp line against the masking tape. > I just need to remask and go in with a small amount of black paint, and > need > to know what is safe to use with the plexi. I guess it needs to work safely > with the Sika primer as well. > > Anyone got any suggestions? I've gotten suggestions from other forums, but > thought I'd ask here as well. Thanks! > > -- Dwight > > do not archive > > -- Best regards, John Caldwell ________________________________ Message 20 ____________________________________ Time: 11:34:30 PM PST US From: "Timothy E. Cone" Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question I'm really not trying to be snide, but if they aren't competent at partial panel, what in the heck are they doing penetrating IMC???? Betting their life that everything works? I'll take the odds in Vegas over that bet, any day. Training is a much better investment than ANY gizmo. Tim Cone ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lee To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:27 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question Do you think that most people are competent at partial panel in IMC? The oroginal poster suggested that panel space was an issue which I find hard to believe. Perhaps a good wing-leveler/autopilot might save you in you lost your only attitude source. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Timothy E. Cone To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Monday, September 22, 2008 9:48 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Efis question Since when is a loss of ADI or artificial horizon an automatic trip to the morgue? 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