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1. 07:09 AM - Re: Oil Leak (John Porter)
2. 07:21 AM - Re: Re: Oil Leak (linn Walters)
3. 07:45 AM - Re: Re: Oil Leak (Paul Rice)
4. 07:50 AM - Re: Re: Oil Leak (rv4ross)
5. 08:24 AM - Re: Re: Oil Leak (Paul Rice)
6. 08:37 AM - IMC - What If??? Analysis (Valovich, Paul)
7. 08:41 AM - Re: Re: Oil Leak (linn Walters)
8. 08:52 AM - Re: Re: Oil Leak (Charles Kuss)
9. 08:53 AM - RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...? (Matt Dralle)
10. 09:24 AM - Re: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...? (Terry Watson)
11. 09:32 AM - Re: Wheel pants too low? (HCRV6@comcast.net)
12. 10:24 AM - Re: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...? (Michael W Stewart)
13. 10:50 AM - Re: Wheel pants too low? (Tim Bryan)
14. 11:02 AM - Re: Wheel pants too low? (bert murillo)
15. 11:33 AM - Re: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...? (Carlos Hernandez)
16. 11:51 AM - Mud Shield - was Wheel pants too low? (Ralph E. Capen)
17. 02:33 PM - on wheel pants (bert murillo)
18. 02:45 PM - Re: on wheel pants (Carl Froehlich)
19. 02:50 PM - Re: IMC - What If??? Analysis (Bruce Gray)
20. 03:22 PM - Re: IMC - What If??? Analysis (SteinAir, Inc.)
21. 04:05 PM - Re: IMC - What If??? Analysis (Bruce Gray)
22. 05:54 PM - Re: Wheel pants too low? (HCRV6@comcast.net)
23. 11:11 PM - Re: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...? (Dan)
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Paul,
Yep, that's exactly what I'm getting. I have a Lycoming AEIO-360 and
it's just enough to get my attention. I'm going to pull my pump as well
and use some permetex on it and we torque everything. I can't stand
seeing oil on the outside of something. (Now when the new "radial" RV
comes out, that will be another story, ha,ha) Oh, Van swore me to
secrecy on that.................darn.
Thanks for the input, glad (I guess) that I'm not the only one with
this issue.
John
N802RJ
"Rockin' Robin"
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Subject: | Re: RE: Oil Leak |
OK guys ...... where exactly is the oil coming out??? Lead me to it
just like a progressive taxi ;-)
Linn
do not archive
John Porter wrote:
> Paul,
> Yep, that's exactly what I'm getting. I have a Lycoming AEIO-360
> and it's just enough to get my attention. I'm going to pull my pump
> as well and use some permetex on it and we torque everything. I can't
> stand seeing oil on the outside of something. (Now when the new
> "radial" RV comes out, that will be another story, ha,ha) Oh, Van
> swore me to secrecy on that.................darn.
> Thanks for the input, glad (I guess) that I'm not the only one with
> this issue.
>
> John
> N802RJ
> "Rockin' Robin"
> *
>
>
> *
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The oil leaks out between the parts of the oil pump itself=2C not the flang
between the pump and the engine. The pump is made up of three sections=2C
the upper is has screw head bolts attaching it to the middle section=2C an
d the lower has hex heads with rubber gaskets between. They go thru a comp
ression ring around the bottom=2C I can remember the top right now=2C so yo
u can only tighten them up so much. I seems over tightening will just crus
h the rubber gasket out of the sides causing more of a leak. I don't know
about taking it apart and using the permetex=2C I really don't want to take
my pump apart if I can help it.
Paul Rice
RV8 100 hours
Flying Siren> Date: Wed=2C 24 Sep 2008 10:20:10 -0400> From: pitts_pilot@be
llsouth.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Oil Leak>
> OK guys ...... where exactly is the oil coming out??? Lead me to it > ju
st like a progressive taxi =3B-)> Linn> do not archive> > John Porter wrote
:> > Paul=2C> > Yep=2C that's exactly what I'm getting. I have a Lycoming A
EIO-360 > > and it's just enough to get my attention. I'm going to pull my
pump > > as well and use some permetex on it and we torque everything. I ca
n't > > stand seeing oil on the outside of something. (Now when the new > >
"radial" RV comes out=2C that will be another story=2C ha=2Cha) Oh=2C Van
> > swore me to secrecy on that.................darn.> > Thanks for the inp
ut=2C glad (I guess) that I'm not the only one with > > this issue.> > > >
====================> > >
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Subject: | Re: RE: Oil Leak |
Paul,
You mean fuel pump and not oil pump, right?
Ross Scroggs
RV4 tail and wings done waiting on Fus kit
Locust Grove, GA.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Rice
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Oil Leak
The oil leaks out between the parts of the oil pump itself, not the
flang between the pump and the engine. The pump is made up of three
sections, the upper is has screw head bolts attaching it to the middle
section, and the lower has hex heads with rubber gaskets between. They
go thru a compression ring around the bottom, I can remember the top
right now, so you can only tighten them up so much. I seems over
tightening will just crush the rubber gasket out of the sides causing
more of a leak. I don't know about taking it apart and using the
permetex, I really don't want to take my pump apart if I can help it.
Paul Rice
RV8 100 hours
Flying Siren
> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:20:10 -0400
> From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Oil Leak
>
<pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
>
> OK guys ...... where exactly is the oil coming out??? Lead me to it
> just like a progressive taxi ;-)
> Linn
> do not archive
>
> John Porter wrote:
> > Paul,
> > Yep, that's exactly what I'm getting. I have a Lycoming AEIO-360
> > and it's just enough to get my attention. I'm going to pull my
pump
> > as well and use some permetex on it and we torque everything. I
can't
> > stand seeing oil on the outside of something. (Now when the new
> > "radial" RV comes out, that will be another story, ha,ha) Oh, Van
> > swore me to secrecy on that.................darn.
> > Thanks for the input, glad (I guess) that I'm not the only one
with
> > this issue.
> >
> > John
> > N802RJ
> > "Rockin' Robin"
> > *
> >
> >
> > *
>
> >
>
>
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Sorry guys=2C yes I mean the fuel pump not the oil pump.
From: rv4ross@charter.netTo: rv-list@matronics.comSubject: Re: RV-List: RE:
Oil LeakDate: Wed=2C 24 Sep 2008 10:49:56 -0400
Paul=2C
You mean fuel pump and not oil pump=2C right?
Ross Scroggs
RV4 tail and wings done waiting on Fus kit
Locust Grove=2C GA.
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Rice
Sent: Wednesday=2C September 24=2C 2008 10:43 AM
Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Oil Leak
The oil leaks out between the parts of the oil pump itself=2C not the flang
between the pump and the engine. The pump is made up of three sections=2C
the upper is has screw head bolts attaching it to the middle section=2C an
d the lower has hex heads with rubber gaskets between. They go thru a comp
ression ring around the bottom=2C I can remember the top right now=2C so yo
u can only tighten them up so much. I seems over tightening will just crus
h the rubber gasket out of the sides causing more of a leak. I don't know
about taking it apart and using the permetex=2C I really don't want to take
my pump apart if I can help it. Paul RiceRV8 100 hoursFlying Siren> Dat
e: Wed=2C 24 Sep 2008 10:20:10 -0400> From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> To:
rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Oil Leak> > --> RV-List me
ssage posted by: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>> > OK guys ......
where exactly is the oil coming out??? Lead me to it > just like a progres
sive taxi =3B-)> Linn> do not archive> > John Porter wrote:> > Paul=2C> > Y
ep=2C that's exactly what I'm getting. I have a Lycoming AEIO-360 > > and i
t's just enough to get my attention. I'm going to pull my pump > > as well
and use some permetex on it and we torque everything. I can't > > stand see
ing oil on the outside of something. (Now when the new > > "radial" RV come
s out=2C that will be another story=2C ha=2Cha) Oh=2C Van > > swore me to s
ecrecy on that.................darn.> > Thanks for the input=2C glad (I gue
ss) that I'm not the only one with > > this issue.> > > > John> > N802RJ> >
"Rockin' Robin"> > *> >> >> > *> > > > >
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Subject: | IMC - What If??? Analysis |
FWIW - I spent a lot of time analyzing panel options for my -8A, and so far
have found no major issues with the conclusions I reached. Here's a summar
y:
Requirement 1: IMC capability (if I choose to go there) - including ILS. (
Pilot instrument experience not an issue - I'm a retired Naval aviator).
Requirement 2: Electric panel - no vacuum pumps.
Requirement 3: Multiple redundancy - fidelity can vary.
Final instrument configuration: AFS-3500 with AOA; TruTrac ADI II; Sl 40;
Garmin 496; ICOM Radio; GTX-327; PMA-7000B; Separate altimeter, airspeed, V
SI; Heated pitot tube.
Electrical System: B&C 40 amp alternator; SD-8 alternator; self-contained b
ackup batteries in 3500 and 496; regular ship's battery.
In IMC - What ifs? (Normal ops - everything works and power is from main bu
s)
1. AFS-3500 failure - use ADI II for attitude info; if unsure of atti
tude, select a heading and altitude hold mode. Use AS / Altimeter / VSI ste
am gages.
2. AFS-3500 and ADI II failure - use rough attitude functions of 496
to get back to approximate level flight (a real emergency)
3. AFS-3500, ADI II and 496 failure - partial panel with the AS / Alt
and VSI; but realistically, sometimes it just ain't your day.
4. Alternator failure - endurance bus powered by SD-8 (3500, SL-40, A
DI II are on it)
5. Alternator and SD-8 failure - endurance bus powered by main batter
y
6. Alternator, SD-8 and main battery failure - 3500 and 496 powered b
y internal backup batteries
7. Alternator, SD-8, main battery and backup battery failures - see (
3) above
8. Pitot static failure - 496 and AOA attitude reference (if AOA is
below stall you are at least somewhat in control and may have additional ti
me to sort things out)
9. Icing - Get the hell out of there asap
Panel configuration is a very personal decision. However, some version of t
he "What ifs???" should be used in every analysis. The above is just one gu
y's opinion. Be interested in hearing from folks who think I'm off on a tan
gent or missed something.
Booger
N192NM Reserved - Again
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Subject: | Re: RE: Oil Leak |
I went out to the shop and looked at the pump on my IO-540. There are
four sections, the top, a 1/4" ring, a 1/2" ring with the fuel ports in
it, and the bottom. There are diaphragms separating the four parts.
The 1/4" ring is the flow path for fuel if that diaphragm cracks, and
oil if the other one cracks. If the oil is seeping out next to the
diaphragm (the top one), that would indicate loose fasteners, or a
deterioration of the diaphragm itself. Permatex may 'fix' the latter
..... for a while, but only prolongs the inevitable ..... getting it
fixed. My vote would be to try and tighten the screws on the top flange
to see if that eliminates the leak. All this supposes that the leak is
where you think it is!!!
Linn
do not archive
Paul Rice wrote:
> The oil leaks out between the parts of the oil pump itself, not the
> flang between the pump and the engine. The pump is made up of three
> sections, the upper is has screw head bolts attaching it to the middle
> section, and the lower has hex heads with rubber gaskets between.
> They go thru a compression ring around the bottom, I can remember the
> top right now, so you can only tighten them up so much. I seems over
> tightening will just crush the rubber gasket out of the sides causing
> more of a leak. I don't know about taking it apart and using the
> permetex, I really don't want to take my pump apart if I can help it.
>
> Paul Rice
> RV8 100 hours
> Flying Siren
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Paul,
Those aren't "rubber gaskets". They are the rubber diaphragms which do the pumping
of the fuel. If the screws which retain the sections are reasonably tight,
it means that one of the diaphragms has failed. In that case you will need a
new or rebuilt fuel pump.
Charlie Kuss
--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Paul Rice <rice737@msn.com> wrote:
> From: Paul Rice <rice737@msn.com>
> Subject: RE: RV-List: RE: Oil Leak
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 10:43 AM
> The oil leaks out between the parts of the oil pump itself,
> not the flange between the pump and the engine. The pump is
> made up of three sections, the upper is has screw head bolts
> attaching it to the middle section, and the lower has hex
> heads with rubber gaskets between. They go thru a
> compression ring around the bottom, I can remember the top
> right now, so you can only tighten them up so much. I seems
> over tightening will just crush the rubber gasket out of the
> sides causing more of a leak. I don't know about taking
> it apart and using the permetex, I really don't want to
> take my pump apart if I can help it.
>
> Paul Rice
> RV8 100 hours
> Flying Siren> Date: Wed, 24 Sep 2008 10:20:10 -0400>
> From: pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net> To:
> rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: Re: RV-List: RE: Oil
> <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>> > OK guys ......
> where exactly is the oil coming out??? Lead me to it >
> just like a progressive taxi ;-)> Linn> do not
> archive> > John Porter wrote:> > Paul,> >
> Yep, that's exactly what I'm getting. I have a
> Lycoming AEIO-360 > > and it's just enough to get
> my attention. I'm going to pull my pump > > as
> well and use some permetex on it and we torque everything. I
> can't > > stand seeing oil on the outside of
> something. (Now when the new > > "radial" RV
> comes out, that will be another story, ha,ha) Oh, Van >
> > swore me to secrecy on that.................darn.>
> > Thanks for the input, glad (I guess) that I'm not
> the only one with > > this issue.> > > >
> ====================> > >
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Subject: | RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...? |
Greetings,
I sat in a friend's RV-8 this weekend and was testing out the various ergonomic
aspects. One thing that struck me was the pilot's control stick placement.
It seemed a bit far away and definitely way too low. The top of the stick cleared
the bottom of the instrument panel by maybe an inch or less, so it was definitely
about as long as it could be. The seat cushion didn't seem abnormally
thick.
When I ordered my seats from Classic Aero Designs, one of the questions they asked
me was if I had the "Curved Stick Option". I didn't think about it much at
the time but now I'm intrigued. Is this something that could give me more stick
height without impacting the instrument panel? Does Van's sell it? Part
number? Pros and cons? Pictures?
Thanks,
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N844RV (res.)
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Subject: | RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...? |
And another thing!
Mike Robbins has an interesting and apparently very functional stick grip
offset that I think was built by Rocket builder Larry James. Either of them
could probably tell you about it or maybe send a photo.
Terry
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Matt Dralle
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 8:53 AM
Subject: RV-List: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...?
Greetings,
I sat in a friend's RV-8 this weekend and was testing out the various
ergonomic aspects. One thing that struck me was the pilot's control stick
placement. It seemed a bit far away and definitely way too low. The top of
the stick cleared the bottom of the instrument panel by maybe an inch or
less, so it was definitely about as long as it could be. The seat cushion
didn't seem abnormally thick.
When I ordered my seats from Classic Aero Designs, one of the questions they
asked me was if I had the "Curved Stick Option". I didn't think about it
much at the time but now I'm intrigued. Is this something that could give
me more stick height without impacting the instrument panel? Does Van's
sell it? Part number? Pros and cons? Pictures?
Thanks,
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N844RV (res.)
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Subject: | Re: Wheel pants too low? |
Walt,
Did you install a bulkhead in the rear half of the wheel pants to prevent crud
from collecting back there?
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, flying - 517 hours
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
>
> This seems to be a universal problem with the Van's tail draggers. My 8 is the
> same; I taxi across about 100' of grass to get to my airpark's runway and I get
> a collection of grass inside the rear half of the pants everytime.
>
> Walt Shipley
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Subject: | Re: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...? |
Matt,
RV Woody
4606 107th Street
Mukilter, WA 98275
ATTN Todd Rudberg
This is the guy that was making them for builders, usually in batches.
Dont
know if this is still the case. I have attached the low res drawing. Yo
u
can see the dimentions.
Best,
Mike,
(See attached file: bentstick.jpg)
Matt Dralle
<dralle@matronics
.com>
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09/24/2008 11:52 Stick" Option...?
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Greetings,
I sat in a friend's RV-8 this weekend and was testing out the various
ergonomic aspects. One thing that struck me was the pilot's control st
ick
placement. It seemed a bit far away and definitely way too low. The t
op
of the stick cleared the bottom of the instrument panel by maybe an inc
h or
less, so it was definitely about as long as it could be. The seat cush
ion
didn't seem abnormally thick.
When I ordered my seats from Classic Aero Designs, one of the questions
they asked me was if I had the "Curved Stick Option". I didn't think a
bout
it much at the time but now I'm intrigued. Is this something that coul
d
give me more stick height without impacting the instrument panel? Does
Van's sell it? Part number? Pros and cons? Pictures?
Thanks,
Matt Dralle
RV-8 #82880 N844RV (res.)
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Subject: | Wheel pants too low? |
Interesting, what tail wheel system are you using? I understand there
are
some available that raise the tail slightly and maybe that would be
enough
to correct it also.
Tim Bryan
RV-6 Flying
N616TB over 100 hours now
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of John Danielson
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 6:59 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Wheel pants too low?
My wheel pants also had the same problem, couldn=92t clear the angle on
the
bottom of my door.
I ended up always backing my plane in by lifting the tail to clear.
When I finally wore the original tire out, I replaced them with retreads
and
the tires just happen to be taller by =BD=94 to =BE=94.
This allowed the rear of the wheel pants to clear the angle.
John L. Danielson
_____
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[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Richard McBride
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel pants too low?
George,
My -8 wheel pants are the same way. No way will a 2x4 fit behind the
tire.
Mine seem to be lower in the back compared to most others I've looked
at. I
have flown on grass strips many, many times with no problem. The only
issue
I have is getting into hangars that have steel angle installed on the
floor
as a door track. The back of my pant can't clear these tracks without
putting down some type of ramp. I've scarred the bottom rear of my
pants
numerous times.
Rick McBride
----- Original Message -----
From: George <mailto:ghinman@mts.net> Inman 204 287 8334
Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 11:29 AM
Subject: RV-List: Wheel pants too low?
<ghinman@mts.net>
I installed the wheel pants on my RV-8
per Van's directions,but I think they may be too low.
I cannot get a 2X4 underneath the back for a wheel chock
when the plane is down on the tail.
I will be using a grass strip so have concerns.Do others
have
their wheel pants this low?
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Subject: | Re: Wheel pants too low? |
Harry:::
-
What is this??? please tell me I should have done that?- I did not see th
at
on the plans.... I have the rv6a,-- please explain... I am now worried
I am
missing that?? how is it done etc...
-
bert
--- On Wed, 9/24/08, HCRV6@comcast.net <HCRV6@comcast.net> wrote:
From: HCRV6@comcast.net <HCRV6@comcast.net>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel pants too low?
Walt,
Did you install a bulkhead in the rear half of the wheel pants to prevent c
rud
from collecting back there?
--
Harry Crosby
RV-6 N16CX, flying - 517 hours
-------------- Original message ----------------------
From: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
>
> This seems to be a universal problem with the Van's tail draggers. My
8 is the
> same; I taxi across about 100' of grass to get to my airpark's
runway and I get
> a collection of grass inside the rear half of the pants everytime.
>
> Walt Shipley
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Subject: | Re: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...? |
Yeah he's not doing it any more. Here's what he says from his web site
www.rvwoody.com
/"LAST BATCH EVER: March 1, 2007. Due to customer complaints about the
six week lead time, this service is terminated. If you want a stick
done, better get it to me by March 1. Sticks received after March 1
will be returned to sender."
/Bummer cause I was wanting one when I get there in my build./
/
Carlos in AZ
Michael W Stewart wrote:
>
> Matt,
> RV Woody
> 4606 107th Street
> Mukilter, WA 98275
> ATTN Todd Rudberg
>
> This is the guy that was making them for builders, usually in batches.
> Dont know if this is still the case. I have attached the low res
> drawing. You can see the dimentions.
> Best,
> Mike
>
> /(See attached file: bentstick.jpg)/
>
>
> Inactive hide details for Matt Dralle ---09/24/2008 12:31:33 PM----->
> <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> *Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>*
> Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>
> 09/24/2008 11:52 AM
> Please respond to
> rv-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
> To
>
> rv-list@matronics.com
>
> cc
>
>
> Subject
>
> RV-List: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I sat in a friend's RV-8 this weekend and was testing out the various
> ergonomic aspects. One thing that struck me was the pilot's control
> stick placement. It seemed a bit far away and definitely way too low.
> The top of the stick cleared the bottom of the instrument panel by
> maybe an inch or less, so it was definitely about as long as it could
> be. The seat cushion didn't seem abnormally thick.
>
> When I ordered my seats from Classic Aero Designs, one of the
> questions they asked me was if I had the "Curved Stick Option". I
> didn't think about it much at the time but now I'm intrigued. Is this
> something that could give me more stick height without impacting the
> instrument panel? Does Van's sell it? Part number? Pros and cons?
> Pictures?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N844RV (res.)
>
>
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Structural Engineers Company
2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3
Chandler, AZ 85224
Phone: 480.968.8600
Fax: 480.968.8608
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Subject: | Mud Shield - was Wheel pants too low? |
I did it for all three of mine too - mine are from SamJames they had explicit instructions
to do so - not as good on how though.....
Here's what I did:
Lay up three layers of BID on alternating angles.
Cut out rough shape so it fits one inch behind the tire.
Trim corners so it fits tightly all the way around.
Using two layers of BID to glue the edges in place.
Drill a small hole on the bottom of the pant behind the shield to allow pressure
to bleed off and condensation to drain.
Have a cold one.....
-----Original Message-----
>From: bert murillo <robertrv607@yahoo.com>
>Sent: Sep 24, 2008 1:59 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel pants too low?
>
>Harry:::
>
>What is this??? please tell me I should have done that? I did not see that
>on the plans.... I have the rv6a, please explain... I am now worried I am
>missing that?? how is it done etc...
>
>bert
>
>--- On Wed, 9/24/08, HCRV6@comcast.net <HCRV6@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>From: HCRV6@comcast.net <HCRV6@comcast.net>
>Subject: Re: RV-List: Wheel pants too low?
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Date: Wednesday, September 24, 2008, 12:31 PM
>
>
>Walt,
>
>Did you install a bulkhead in the rear half of the wheel pants to prevent crud
>from collecting back there?
>
>--
>Harry Crosby
>RV-6 N16CX, flying - 517 hours
>
> -------------- Original message ----------------------
>From: rveighta <rveighta@earthlink.net>
>>
>> This seems to be a universal problem with the Van's tail draggers. My
>8 is the
>> same; I taxi across about 100' of grass to get to my airpark's
>runway and I get
>> a collection of grass inside the rear half of the pants everytime.
>>
>> Walt Shipley
>
>
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Hello:
-
I just received the new brackets, for the nose geat wheel pants, from Van's
Now the big question, for some one very talented.... only....
-
The pants I have are the old type non transparents, and they are painted wh
ite of course...
-
How AQm I going to measured?, some kind of jig magic.. etc... to align the
new brackets, in order to drill, and install ????
-
I only came with one solution, but I am sure, there must be an easier one..
.
I do not want to have littles wholes all over, then I have to patch them up
..
-
One shot, and a precise one, lt has to be.....ANY ONE WANTS TO TAKE
THIS CHALLENGE///
-
-Thanks for those brave ones, that respond...
-
Bert
-
rv6a
-
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Sand the gel coat (and paint) off in the area where the brackets will be
attached. Attach the brackets to the nose gear fork. Using a bright light
on the inside of the pant you will now be able to see though the fiberglass
to drill into the bracket holes.
Carl Froehlich
RV-8A (450 hrs)
RV-10 (fuselage)
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 5:32 PM
Subject: RV-List: on wheel pants
Hello:
I just received the new brackets, for the nose geat wheel pants, from Van's
Now the big question, for some one very talented.... only....
The pants I have are the old type non transparents, and they are painted
white of course...
How AQm I going to measured?, some kind of jig magic.. etc... to align the
new brackets, in order to drill, and install ????
I only came with one solution, but I am sure, there must be an easier one...
I do not want to have littles wholes all over, then I have to patch them
up..
One shot, and a precise one, lt has to be.....ANY ONE WANTS TO TAKE
THIS CHALLENGE///
Thanks for those brave ones, that respond...
Bert
rv6a
do not archive
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Subject: | IMC - What If??? Analysis |
To play the devils advocate,
You'll be lucky if, when your EFIS fails, the screen goes dark. More
than
likely, part of it will just freeze, or worse yet - start giving you
false
information.
What do you do when all your electro-wizzies fail? It's happened -
several
times in big iron aircraft, failure of multiple electrical systems and
their
backups leaving a totally dark cockpit. One of the reasons that all EFIS
certified panels have a vacuum ADI or equivalent.
But let's look at a more likely failure mode, the AHRS starts to put out
false information. Your Tru-Trak ADI (It's not really) only displays
quasi
pitch info. It shows a GPS derived VSI as pitch up/down commands. Now,
the
big question is - are you willing to bet your life that you addled and
confused brain is going to be able to sort out the conflicting and non
standard pitch information before you go "THUD"?
And as your screaming brain is yelling - which system is right? Needle,
ball, and airspeed tie breaker?
I know I've spent hundreds of hours scanning the basic 6 pack in IMC and
am
well aware of its failure modes. But when screens go dark or scrambled
it's
the easiest and fasted for me to revert to and feel comfortable.
Bruce
<http://www.glasair.org/> www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Valovich, Paul
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 11:37 AM
Subject: RV-List: IMC - What If??? Analysis
FWIW - I spent a lot of time analyzing panel options for my -8A, and so
far
have found no major issues with the conclusions I reached. Here's a
summary:
Requirement 1: IMC capability (if I choose to go there) - including ILS.
(Pilot instrument experience not an issue - I'm a retired Naval
aviator).
Requirement 2: Electric panel - no vacuum pumps.
Requirement 3: Multiple redundancy - fidelity can vary.
Final instrument configuration: AFS-3500 with AOA; TruTrac ADI II; Sl
40;
Garmin 496; ICOM Radio; GTX-327; PMA-7000B; Separate altimeter,
airspeed,
VSI; Heated pitot tube.
Electrical System: B&C 40 amp alternator; SD-8 alternator;
self-contained
backup batteries in 3500 and 496; regular ship's battery.
In IMC - What ifs? (Normal ops - everything works and power is from main
bus)
1. AFS-3500 failure - use ADI II for attitude info; if unsure of
attitude, select a heading and altitude hold mode. Use AS / Altimeter /
VSI
steam gages.
2. AFS-3500 and ADI II failure - use rough attitude functions of
496
to get back to approximate level flight (a real emergency)
3. AFS-3500, ADI II and 496 failure - partial panel with the AS /
Alt
and VSI; but realistically, sometimes it just ain't your day.
4. Alternator failure - endurance bus powered by SD-8 (3500,
SL-40,
ADI II are on it)
5. Alternator and SD-8 failure - endurance bus powered by main
battery
6. Alternator, SD-8 and main battery failure - 3500 and 496
powered by
internal backup batteries
7. Alternator, SD-8, main battery and backup battery failures -
see
(3) above
8. Pitot static failure - 496 and AOA attitude reference (if AOA
is
below stall you are at least somewhat in control and may have additional
time to sort things out)
9. Icing - Get the hell out of there asap
Panel configuration is a very personal decision. However, some version
of
the "What ifs???" should be used in every analysis. The above is just
one
guy's opinion. Be interested in hearing from folks who think I'm off on
a
tangent or missed something.
Booger
N192NM Reserved - Again
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Subject: | IMC - What If??? Analysis |
MessageHi Bruce,
You know I agree with you historically on some of your points, but I have to
jump in here just a little bit - nothing personal, just want to re-direct a
few facts. Your understanding of the TruTrak ADI is not just a little bit
off....it's just flat wrong. Who told you it uses GPS information for
vertical information? They use GPS to show a track in the little LCD
window...it has nothing to do with the flight display. You do of course
realize that it has solid state gyros inside of it and shows instantaneous
pitch and bank information as well? Naturally you also know that it has a
Pitot and Static connection on the back of it to sense pitot/satic info? Of
course some of the EFIS mfgrs out there use GPS as an aiding function to
offset the accelerometer drift, etc.., but I'm not aware of any other than
the little "instrument page" of the Garmin handhelds that do anything of the
sort.
Anyway, I don't want to get into a debate on what should be used when and
where nor if the ADI is for you or not...just want to make sure people don't
think it uses GPS to display any flight information. I do agree that there
is a BIG question on lower cost EFISes knowing whether they are ill or not.
The certified stuff has a ton of software in it for that very purpose, and
will paint a big red "X" over any portion of the instrument it thinks
doesn't has perfect information. Most of the really low cost EFISes will
not alert you to anything being wrong, because the EFIS itself doesn't know
it's sick. It's what I try to tell people over and over. There is a MUCH
larger difference between EFISes than just plain cost. There is a lot of
other unseen functionality that comes with the higher priced units other
than their name on the faceplate. Of course every EFIS mfgr will tell you
their stuff is the same as the certified Garmin or what is in the Boeings
while standing in the booth at OSH (I actually heard a rep from a low cost
EFIS mfgr repeatedly tell people their stuff was as good or better than the
Garmin certified stuff)....hopefully people realize that's just not the case
and couldn't be farther from the truth. Does that mean the low cost EFISes
are bad? Heck no! They are a marvel of technology as long as you use them
for what they are.
FYI...most of the heavy iron is going to solid state peanut backups as
well....but they aren't anything like our low cost EFISes (nor the price)!
Again, nothing personal and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with premise in
general, just some of the details. The whole "tie breaker" discussion gets
really interesting really fast in some of these configurations. There are a
number of historical crashes of airliners because of the fight between
pilot/copilot and the "tie breaker" of instruments indications. Overall I
could ramble on and on about this stuff, as well as the whole AHRS theory,
but in the end we're all entitled to our own opinions. Like I said, no
necessarily agreeing or disagreeing, just putting out a few facts.
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Gray
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:50 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: RE: RV-List: IMC - What If??? Analysis
To play the devils advocate,
You'll be lucky if, when your EFIS fails, the screen goes dark. More than
likely, part of it will just freeze, or worse yet - start giving you false
information.
What do you do when all your electro-wizzies fail? It's happened - several
times in big iron aircraft, failure of multiple electrical systems and their
backups leaving a totally dark cockpit. One of the reasons that all EFIS
certified panels have a vacuum ADI or equivalent.
But let's look at a more likely failure mode, the AHRS starts to put out
false information. Your Tru-Trak ADI (It's not really) only displays quasi
pitch info. It shows a GPS derived VSI as pitch up/down commands. Now, the
big question is - are you willing to bet your life that you addled and
confused brain is going to be able to sort out the conflicting and non
standard pitch information before you go "THUD"?
And as your screaming brain is yelling - which system is right? Needle,
ball, and airspeed tie breaker?
I know I've spent hundreds of hours scanning the basic 6 pack in IMC and
am well aware of its failure modes. But when screens go dark or scrambled
it's the easiest and fasted for me to revert to and feel comfortable.
Bruce
www.Glasair.org
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Subject: | IMC - What If??? Analysis |
Hmmm, I could be wrong but.... The TruTrak website says the roll is
instantaneous gyro and the pitch is enhanced VSI. Perhaps we're both
right.
Bruce
<http://www.glasair.org/> www.Glasair.org
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 6:22 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: IMC - What If??? Analysis
Hi Bruce,
You know I agree with you historically on some of your points, but I
have to
jump in here just a little bit - nothing personal, just want to
re-direct a
few facts. Your understanding of the TruTrak ADI is not just a little
bit
off....it's just flat wrong. Who told you it uses GPS information for
vertical information? They use GPS to show a track in the little LCD
window...it has nothing to do with the flight display. You do of course
realize that it has solid state gyros inside of it and shows
instantaneous
pitch and bank information as well? Naturally you also know that it has
a
Pitot and Static connection on the back of it to sense pitot/satic info?
Of
course some of the EFIS mfgrs out there use GPS as an aiding function to
offset the accelerometer drift, etc.., but I'm not aware of any other
than
the little "instrument page" of the Garmin handhelds that do anything of
the
sort.
Anyway, I don't want to get into a debate on what should be used when
and
where nor if the ADI is for you or not...just want to make sure people
don't
think it uses GPS to display any flight information. I do agree that
there
is a BIG question on lower cost EFISes knowing whether they are ill or
not.
The certified stuff has a ton of software in it for that very purpose,
and
will paint a big red "X" over any portion of the instrument it thinks
doesn't has perfect information. Most of the really low cost EFISes
will
not alert you to anything being wrong, because the EFIS itself doesn't
know
it's sick. It's what I try to tell people over and over. There is a
MUCH
larger difference between EFISes than just plain cost. There is a lot
of
other unseen functionality that comes with the higher priced units other
than their name on the faceplate. Of course every EFIS mfgr will tell
you
their stuff is the same as the certified Garmin or what is in the
Boeings
while standing in the booth at OSH (I actually heard a rep from a low
cost
EFIS mfgr repeatedly tell people their stuff was as good or better than
the
Garmin certified stuff)....hopefully people realize that's just not the
case
and couldn't be farther from the truth. Does that mean the low cost
EFISes
are bad? Heck no! They are a marvel of technology as long as you use
them
for what they are.
FYI...most of the heavy iron is going to solid state peanut backups as
well....but they aren't anything like our low cost EFISes (nor the
price)!
Again, nothing personal and I'm not necessarily disagreeing with premise
in
general, just some of the details. The whole "tie breaker" discussion
gets
really interesting really fast in some of these configurations. There
are a
number of historical crashes of airliners because of the fight between
pilot/copilot and the "tie breaker" of instruments indications. Overall
I
could ramble on and on about this stuff, as well as the whole AHRS
theory,
but in the end we're all entitled to our own opinions. Like I said, no
necessarily agreeing or disagreeing, just putting out a few facts.
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Bruce Gray
Sent: Wednesday, September 24, 2008 4:50 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: IMC - What If??? Analysis
To play the devils advocate,
You'll be lucky if, when your EFIS fails, the screen goes dark. More
than
likely, part of it will just freeze, or worse yet - start giving you
false
information.
What do you do when all your electro-wizzies fail? It's happened -
several
times in big iron aircraft, failure of multiple electrical systems and
their
backups leaving a totally dark cockpit. One of the reasons that all EFIS
certified panels have a vacuum ADI or equivalent.
But let's look at a more likely failure mode, the AHRS starts to put out
false information. Your Tru-Trak ADI (It's not really) only displays
quasi
pitch info. It shows a GPS derived VSI as pitch up/down commands. Now,
the
big question is - are you willing to bet your life that you addled and
confused brain is going to be able to sort out the conflicting and non
standard pitch information before you go "THUD"?
And as your screaming brain is yelling - which system is right? Needle,
ball, and airspeed tie breaker?
I know I've spent hundreds of hours scanning the basic 6 pack in IMC and
am
well aware of its failure modes. But when screens go dark or scrambled
it's
the easiest and fasted for me to revert to and feel comfortable.
Bruce
<http://www.glasair.org/> www.Glasair.org
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Subject: | Re: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...? |
I wanted one of the bent stick too,-I e-mailed him about a year ago, with
no response??
I still want one,
Dan
--- On Wed, 9/24/08, Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@structuralaz.com> wrote:
From: Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@structuralaz.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...?
<carlosh@structuralaz.com>
Yeah he's not doing it any more. Here's what he says from his web site
www.rvwoody.com
/"LAST BATCH EVER: March 1, 2007. Due to customer complaints about the
six week lead time, this service is terminated. If you want a stick
done, better get it to me by March 1. Sticks received after March 1
will be returned to sender."
/Bummer cause I was wanting one when I get there in my build./
/
Carlos in AZ
Michael W Stewart wrote:
>
> Matt,
> RV Woody
> 4606 107th Street
> Mukilter, WA 98275
> ATTN Todd Rudberg
>
> This is the guy that was making them for builders, usually in batches.
> Dont know if this is still the case. I have attached the low res
> drawing. You can see the dimentions.
> Best,
> Mike
>
> /(See attached file: bentstick.jpg)/
>
>
> Inactive hide details for Matt Dralle ---09/24/2008 12:31:33 PM----->
> <dralle@matronics.com>
>
> *Matt Dralle <dralle@matronics.com>*
> Sent by: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>
> 09/24/2008 11:52 AM
> Please respond to
> rv-list@matronics.com
>
>
>
> To
>
> rv-list@matronics.com
>
> cc
>
>
> Subject
>
> RV-List: RV-8 "Curved Control Stick" Option...?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Greetings,
>
> I sat in a friend's RV-8 this weekend and was testing out the various
> ergonomic aspects. One thing that struck me was the pilot's control
> stick placement. It seemed a bit far away and definitely way too low.
> The top of the stick cleared the bottom of the instrument panel by
> maybe an inch or less, so it was definitely about as long as it could
> be. The seat cushion didn't seem abnormally thick.
>
> When I ordered my seats from Classic Aero Designs, one of the
> questions they asked me was if I had the "Curved Stick Option".
I
> didn't think about it much at the time but now I'm intrigued. Is
this
> something that could give me more stick height without impacting the
> instrument panel? Does Van's sell it? Part number? Pros and cons?
> Pictures?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Matt Dralle
> RV-8 #82880 N844RV (res.)
>
>
> ========================
============
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> ========================
============
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> ========================
============
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> bution">http://www.matronics.com/contribution
> ========================
============
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Checked by AVG.
>
--
Carlos Hernandez <carlosh@sec-engr.com>
Structural Engineers Company
2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3
Chandler, AZ 85224
Phone: 480.968.8600
Fax: 480.968.8608
www.sec-engr.com
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