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1. 06:00 AM - Re: Re: 406 ELT (Emrath)
2. 08:10 AM - Re: Re: 406 ELT (Kelly McMullen)
3. 08:33 AM - Re: Re: 406 ELT (Ron Lee)
4. 08:47 AM - Re: Re: 406 ELT (Scott)
5. 09:02 AM - Re: Oiling and Starting New AeroSport Engine w/ 2 PMags (J Riffel)
6. 09:07 AM - Re: Re: 406 ELT (Ron Lee)
7. 09:21 AM - Re: Re: 406 ELT (Scott)
8. 10:40 AM - was 406 ELT; now APRS (Sam Buchanan)
9. 10:46 AM - Re: was 406 ELT; now APRS (Scott)
10. 12:25 PM - Re: Re: 406 ELT (Ron Lee)
11. 04:04 PM - Re: Re: 406 ELT (Gordon or Marge)
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Kelly,
Can you name the company coming out with the $600 ELT, and when they expect
to have this in the marketplace? I'm needing one very soon for my almost
completed RV-6A.
This July I had an email exchange with Ameri-King's Victor Van, concerning
their development of a 406 mhz unit. He said they had a 406 model AK-451
selling for $849 ready to ship. Did anyone take notice of this product, it
was supposed to be displayed during Airventure at the Cessna Aircraft Booth
inside the Cessna Skycatcher.
Seem strange that I've not seen this yet on their web site and that Van's
had not yet added to their Catalog.
Time: 05:51:09 PM PST US
From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 ELT
Some folks are too young to know or remember that the original ELTs were
NEVER designed to be detected by satellites. Only 15 years after ELTs
were mandated was satellites monitoring introduced. So you revert to the
status ELTs had before 1985. If you really believe that being rescued in
8-12 hours rather than 24 hours is going to make that big a difference,
feel free to spend the money. ELTs haven't had too many faults alarms,
but a lot of false alarms. Some of us actually flew before the
government cared whether anyone found us or not. You don't know much
about radios if you believe 100mw is only a walkie talkie range. The
effective power of that ELT is about as good as your handheld radios in
real life.
People will still look for you, it just won't be on the basis of a
satellite sounding the alarm. Airliners will still be required to
monitor the frequency. ATC facilities will still have the frequency. I'd
think a jet pilot would know this, but guess not.
At least one company has published a MSRP of $600 once their product
gets its TSO certification, so the market just might drive prices down.
gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote:
> Here is my opinion. If you are buying a new, get the 406. The do cost
> 3 to 4 times as much. They do have 5 yr batteries which is good. The
> fact still remains, satellites are going dark, and really all you will
> have is a 100mw 121.5 elt that has a range of a kids walkie talkie.
>
> I won't go into why 406 is better technically, but the cost for faults
> alarms every year is huge. The 406 is suppose to reduce this because
> they are registered and more accurate.
>
> Bottom line is people will not be looking for you with an old ELT,
> because no one will hear it.
> *
> *
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http://www.ackavionics.com/index.html
Emrath wrote:
>
> Kelly,
>
> Can you name the company coming out with the $600 ELT, and when they expect
> to have this in the marketplace? I'm needing one very soon for my almost
> completed RV-6A.
>
> This July I had an email exchange with Ameri-King's Victor Van, concerning
> their development of a 406 mhz unit. He said they had a 406 model AK-451
> selling for $849 ready to ship. Did anyone take notice of this product, it
> was supposed to be displayed during Airventure at the Cessna Aircraft Booth
> inside the Cessna Skycatcher.
>
> Seem strange that I've not seen this yet on their web site and that Van's
> had not yet added to their Catalog.
>
>
> Time: 05:51:09 PM PST US
> From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 ELT
>
>
> Some folks are too young to know or remember that the original ELTs were
> NEVER designed to be detected by satellites. Only 15 years after ELTs
> were mandated was satellites monitoring introduced. So you revert to the
> status ELTs had before 1985. If you really believe that being rescued in
> 8-12 hours rather than 24 hours is going to make that big a difference,
> feel free to spend the money. ELTs haven't had too many faults alarms,
> but a lot of false alarms. Some of us actually flew before the
> government cared whether anyone found us or not. You don't know much
> about radios if you believe 100mw is only a walkie talkie range. The
> effective power of that ELT is about as good as your handheld radios in
> real life.
> People will still look for you, it just won't be on the basis of a
> satellite sounding the alarm. Airliners will still be required to
> monitor the frequency. ATC facilities will still have the frequency. I'd
> think a jet pilot would know this, but guess not.
> At least one company has published a MSRP of $600 once their product
> gets its TSO certification, so the market just might drive prices down.
>
> gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote:
>
>> Here is my opinion. If you are buying a new, get the 406. The do cost
>> 3 to 4 times as much. They do have 5 yr batteries which is good. The
>> fact still remains, satellites are going dark, and really all you will
>> have is a 100mw 121.5 elt that has a range of a kids walkie talkie.
>>
>> I won't go into why 406 is better technically, but the cost for faults
>> alarms every year is huge. The 406 is suppose to reduce this because
>> they are registered and more accurate.
>>
>> Bottom line is people will not be looking for you with an old ELT,
>> because no one will hear it.
>> *
>> *
>>
>
>
>
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Personally I have no concern whether someone buys a 406 MHz ELT.
However, if the assertion that ELTs do not activate in around 50% of
crashes is factual, why spend more on an ELT than you need to. It is
not a reliable device to save you if you live or recover you if you die.
If either of these two scenarios concern you then I suggest buying an
inexpensive 121.5 MHz ELT just to satisfy FAA requirements.
Then buy a Spot system and get the tracking service. An alternative
is APRS but coverage may not be as good. It is less expensive. You
have to evaluate each and determine which is better.
Ron Lee
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Of course, as a ham radio operator, I deplore the use of APRS UNLESS
the user has an amateur radio license as IS REQUIRED by FCC rules. We
hams have had to endure "pirate" use of our frequencies for years. So,
if you do wish to use APRS, take a few days to study and pass your ham
ticket and then go crazy with APRS. It could be a very useful tool
should you ever find yourself in the need! Plus, you'll have another
hobby should you lose your medical :) DO NOT ARCHIVE
Scott
Amateur radio station N0EDV
Ron Lee wrote:
>
> Personally I have no concern whether someone buys a 406 MHz ELT.
> However, if the assertion that ELTs do not activate in around 50% of
> crashes is factual, why spend more on an ELT than you need to. It is
> not a reliable device to save you if you live or recover you if you die.
>
> If either of these two scenarios concern you then I suggest buying an
> inexpensive 121.5 MHz ELT just to satisfy FAA requirements.
>
> Then buy a Spot system and get the tracking service. An alternative
> is APRS but coverage may not be as good. It is less expensive. You
> have to evaluate each and determine which is better.
> Ron Lee
>
>
--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
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Subject: | Re: Oiling and Starting New AeroSport Engine w/ 2 PMags |
Patrick,
If by "CBs" you mean circuit breakers, then the answer is Yes (actually ATC
fuses a la Nuckolls book). I also have disable switches for each PMag that
turn that units power off
Like you, I initially thought just disabling the power would allow me to
crank the engine to get oil pressure without firing.
BUT, that won't work for PMags because they've got an internal alternator
that keeps them running if they loose ships power (which is one of the
reasons I chose them - no dual batteries or aux alternator required). So if
I crank the engine w/ both fuses pulled then the PMags would fire anyway
because their own alternators would kick in. They only way they don't fire
is if the P-lead is grounded. And when I turn the ignition switch to Start -
both P-leads are ungrounded at that point.
BTW, in case you're wondering why I have disable switches, the switches
will be used on run-up to test that the engine Doesn't Stop when power is
lost (ie that the internal alternator is working). I'll have to use the
ignition switch to ground the P-lead to one PMag and use the disable switch
to turn power off to the other PMag. If the engine continues to run then the
internal alternator for that PMag is working fine.
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I never suggested using APRS without a license but should have
mentioned that a HAM license is required. That may drive people
to the Spot solution.
Thanks for reminding me of that important element.
Ron Lee
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott" <acepilot@bloomer.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:44 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 ELT
>
> Of course, as a ham radio operator, I deplore the use of APRS UNLESS
> the user has an amateur radio license as IS REQUIRED by FCC rules. We
> hams have had to endure "pirate" use of our frequencies for years. So,
> if you do wish to use APRS, take a few days to study and pass your ham
> ticket and then go crazy with APRS. It could be a very useful tool
> should you ever find yourself in the need! Plus, you'll have another
> hobby should you lose your medical :) DO NOT ARCHIVE
>
> Scott
> Amateur radio station N0EDV
>
> Ron Lee wrote:
>
>>
>> Personally I have no concern whether someone buys a 406 MHz ELT.
>> However, if the assertion that ELTs do not activate in around 50% of
>> crashes is factual, why spend more on an ELT than you need to. It is
>> not a reliable device to save you if you live or recover you if you die.
>>
>> If either of these two scenarios concern you then I suggest buying an
>> inexpensive 121.5 MHz ELT just to satisfy FAA requirements.
>>
>> Then buy a Spot system and get the tracking service. An alternative
>> is APRS but coverage may not be as good. It is less expensive. You
>> have to evaluate each and determine which is better.
>> Ron Lee
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Scott
> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
> Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Hi Ron,
Oops...hope it didn't come off like I was personally attacking the
messenger (You!)...That's one of the bad things with the
Internet...there is no feedback that the other person can pick up and
decide the context of the communication. I was only trying to point out
that a license is required (as you noted) and I SURELY didn't mean to
imply that you were suggesting anything illegal. Please accept my
apology if you took personal offense to what I wrote before!!! None was
intended!! I personally think APRS has value although I don't use it as
of yet. I'd LOVE to see others get a ham ticket and explore some of the
many facets of ham radio. After all, we all need something to do on
rainy days :) If anyone wants to see some of the stuff I'm doing on ham
radio, see http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ and click on "My Ham Radio
Page" link in the left column.
DO NOT ARCHIVE this one either ;)
Scott
Ron Lee wrote:
>
> I never suggested using APRS without a license but should have
> mentioned that a HAM license is required. That may drive people
> to the Spot solution.
>
> Thanks for reminding me of that important element.
>
> Ron Lee
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott" <acepilot@bloomer.net>
> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:44 AM
> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 ELT
>
>
>>
>> Of course, as a ham radio operator, I deplore the use of APRS UNLESS
>> the user has an amateur radio license as IS REQUIRED by FCC rules.
>> We hams have had to endure "pirate" use of our frequencies for
>> years. So, if you do wish to use APRS, take a few days to study and
>> pass your ham ticket and then go crazy with APRS. It could be a very
>> useful tool should you ever find yourself in the need! Plus, you'll
>> have another hobby should you lose your medical :) DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>
>> Scott
>> Amateur radio station N0EDV
>>
>> Ron Lee wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Personally I have no concern whether someone buys a 406 MHz ELT.
>>> However, if the assertion that ELTs do not activate in around 50% of
>>> crashes is factual, why spend more on an ELT than you need to. It
>>> is not a reliable device to save you if you live or recover you if
>>> you die.
>>>
>>> If either of these two scenarios concern you then I suggest buying an
>>> inexpensive 121.5 MHz ELT just to satisfy FAA requirements.
>>>
>>> Then buy a Spot system and get the tracking service. An alternative
>>> is APRS but coverage may not be as good. It is less expensive. You
>>> have to evaluate each and determine which is better. Ron Lee
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Scott
>> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>> Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
>> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
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Subject: | was 406 ELT; now APRS |
Scott wrote:
>
> Of course, as a ham radio operator, I deplore the use of APRS UNLESS
> the user has an amateur radio license as IS REQUIRED by FCC rules. We
> hams have had to endure "pirate" use of our frequencies for years. So,
> if you do wish to use APRS, take a few days to study and pass your ham
> ticket and then go crazy with APRS. It could be a very useful tool
> should you ever find yourself in the need! Plus, you'll have another
> hobby should you lose your medical :)
>
> Scott
> Amateur radio station N0EDV
Scott,
You are absolutely correct in stating that at least a Tech license is
needed in order to operate/control an APRS tracker.
APRS is a subject that has received a tremendous amount of interest and
traffic on the VAF forum this year. In case you are not familiar with
our forum (1060 posts), please take some time to browse:
http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=104
As you will find, those of us active on the forum have been very clear
in pointing out the necessity of the radio license.
Any members of this forum who have not yet explored APRS are welcome to
join us on the VAF APRS forum. APRS is a fascinating application of
digital radio technology that has wide ranging safety implications for
aviation.
Sam Buchanan
track N399SB; http://aprs.fi/?call=N399SB&mt=m&z=10&timerange=3600
My APRS installation; http://thervjournal.com/tracker.htm
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Subject: | Re: was 406 ELT; now APRS |
Sam,
Thanks for the tip! I wasn't aware of an APRS forum on Doug's site. I
will investigate promptly! :) Thanks again!!
Scott
DO NOT ARCHIVE
Sam Buchanan wrote:
>
> Scott wrote:
>
>>
>> Of course, as a ham radio operator, I deplore the use of APRS UNLESS
>> the user has an amateur radio license as IS REQUIRED by FCC rules.
>> We hams have had to endure "pirate" use of our frequencies for
>> years. So, if you do wish to use APRS, take a few days to study and
>> pass your ham ticket and then go crazy with APRS. It could be a very
>> useful tool should you ever find yourself in the need! Plus, you'll
>> have another hobby should you lose your medical :)
>> Scott
>> Amateur radio station N0EDV
>
>
> Scott,
>
> You are absolutely correct in stating that at least a Tech license is
> needed in order to operate/control an APRS tracker.
>
> APRS is a subject that has received a tremendous amount of interest
> and traffic on the VAF forum this year. In case you are not familiar
> with our forum (1060 posts), please take some time to browse:
>
> http://www.vansairforce.com/community/forumdisplay.php?f=104
>
> As you will find, those of us active on the forum have been very clear
> in pointing out the necessity of the radio license.
>
> Any members of this forum who have not yet explored APRS are welcome
> to join us on the VAF APRS forum. APRS is a fascinating application of
> digital radio technology that has wide ranging safety implications for
> aviation.
>
> Sam Buchanan
> track N399SB; http://aprs.fi/?call=N399SB&mt=m&z=10&timerange=3600
> My APRS installation; http://thervjournal.com/tracker.htm
>
>
--
Scott
http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
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No problem. I should have mentioned the need for a license
whenever I mention APRS and hopefully will every time in the future.
Ron Lee
Do not archive
----- Original Message -----
From: "Scott" <acepilot@bloomer.net>
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 10:20 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 ELT
>
> Hi Ron,
> Oops...hope it didn't come off like I was personally attacking the
> messenger (You!)...That's one of the bad things with the
> Internet...there is no feedback that the other person can pick up and
> decide the context of the communication. I was only trying to point out
> that a license is required (as you noted) and I SURELY didn't mean to
> imply that you were suggesting anything illegal. Please accept my
> apology if you took personal offense to what I wrote before!!! None was
> intended!! I personally think APRS has value although I don't use it as
> of yet. I'd LOVE to see others get a ham ticket and explore some of the
> many facets of ham radio. After all, we all need something to do on
> rainy days :) If anyone wants to see some of the stuff I'm doing on ham
> radio, see http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/ and click on "My Ham Radio
> Page" link in the left column.
>
> DO NOT ARCHIVE this one either ;)
>
> Scott
>
>
> Ron Lee wrote:
>
>>
>> I never suggested using APRS without a license but should have
>> mentioned that a HAM license is required. That may drive people
>> to the Spot solution.
>>
>> Thanks for reminding me of that important element.
>>
>> Ron Lee
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott" <acepilot@bloomer.net>
>> To: <rv-list@matronics.com>
>> Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 9:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 ELT
>>
>>
>>>
>>> Of course, as a ham radio operator, I deplore the use of APRS UNLESS
>>> the user has an amateur radio license as IS REQUIRED by FCC rules.
>>> We hams have had to endure "pirate" use of our frequencies for
>>> years. So, if you do wish to use APRS, take a few days to study and
>>> pass your ham ticket and then go crazy with APRS. It could be a very
>>> useful tool should you ever find yourself in the need! Plus, you'll
>>> have another hobby should you lose your medical :) DO NOT ARCHIVE
>>>
>>> Scott
>>> Amateur radio station N0EDV
>>>
>>> Ron Lee wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Personally I have no concern whether someone buys a 406 MHz ELT.
>>>> However, if the assertion that ELTs do not activate in around 50% of
>>>> crashes is factual, why spend more on an ELT than you need to. It
>>>> is not a reliable device to save you if you live or recover you if
>>>> you die.
>>>>
>>>> If either of these two scenarios concern you then I suggest buying an
>>>> inexpensive 121.5 MHz ELT just to satisfy FAA requirements.
>>>>
>>>> Then buy a Spot system and get the tracking service. An alternative
>>>> is APRS but coverage may not be as good. It is less expensive. You
>>>> have to evaluate each and determine which is better. Ron Lee
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Scott
>>> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
>>> Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
>>> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
> Scott
> http://corbenflyer.tripod.com/
> Flying Corben Junior Ace - Building RV-4
> Gotta Fly or Gonna Die
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Emrath
Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2008 8:58 AM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 ELT
Kelly,
Can you name the company coming out with the $600 ELT, and when they expect
to have this in the marketplace? I'm needing one very soon for my almost
completed RV-6A.
Kelly: I think you are referring to ACK. The last I knew the unit was
ready except for the Friendlies formal anointing. Now their website says
shipping in January 09.
Gordon Comfort
N363GC
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