---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Mon 10/27/08: 8 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 06:19 AM - Re: Prop Governor Install / XP-360 (Rhonda Bewley) 2. 06:25 AM - When Did ELT's first come availible? (Charles Heathco) 3. 06:38 AM - Re: When Did ELT's first come availible? (Kelly McMullen) 4. 11:43 AM - Re: When Did ELT's first come availible? (linn Walters) 5. 12:10 PM - Re: When Did ELT's first come available? (John Cox) 6. 12:51 PM - Re: When Did ELT's first come availible? (Greg Young) 7. 02:24 PM - 406 mhz vs 121.5 (Bruno) 8. 04:43 PM - Re: When Did ELT's first come availible? (Kelly McMullen) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 06:19:57 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Prop Governor Install / XP-360 From: "Rhonda Bewley" You will need SL31C-19 studs for the MT prop governor. Rhonda Barrett-Bewley Barrett Precision Engines, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Patrick Kelley Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 7:00 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Prop Governor Install / XP-360 Call Superior and let them know what you need. They'll get the right studs to you in no time. I'm a bit surprised you don't already have the studs; are you sure the engine is for a constant speed? Is the prop oil line installed? Mine, which I built at the build school, came with the studs. Anyway, I can vouch for Superior's tech support. In fact, I called about the tach drive earlier this week and the chief mechanic himself gave me the info I needed. They'll get you straightened out and hooked up. Patrick Kelley - RV-6A N156PK - waiting for Airworthiness Inspection. -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Dwight Frye Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 1:18 PM Subject: RV-List: Prop Governor Install / XP-360 I'm working on FWF and engine install activities, and got to the point where I was ready to install my prop governor. I'm trying to install the MT governor that Van's provides in the FWF kit, on a Superior XP-360 engine. As provided from the factory the XP-360 has a cover plate over the prop governor drive pad, with a Superior-supplied gasket under the plate. As I read through the MT install instructions they discuss installing the governor over four studs coming off the governor drive pad, with specific torque values (of course). All nice in simple ... except I don't have any studs. Instead the cover plate is held on with bolts. I assume the -right- path is to acquire the correct studs for the MT governor installation, install the studs into the drive pad, then install the governor (as called out in the instructions) with the newly installed studs. Can someone confirm that my assumptions are correct? And, if oneone is using the XP-360/MT Governor combination, did your engine come set up the same way? And ... finally ... does anyone happen to already know the correct studs to order? Thanks! -- Dwight (going back to do "other stuff" while I wait to get an answer on the prop governor question ... ) ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:25:27 AM PST US From: "Charles Heathco" Subject: RV-List: When Did ELT's first come availible? When I got my licence in 66, and again got coml/multi in 69, They were not in use, at least not that I knew of. I never flew again untill 2003, when of course they were required. Anyone know when they first became availible/ requirement? Charlie Heathco ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:38:47 AM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: When Did ELT's first come availible? Canada was requiring around 1972. Congressmen Nick Begich(AK) and Hale Boggs(LA) disappeared on a flight in Alaska during 1972 campaign, and by the time I bought my first plane in spring of 1975 they were required in the US, as had to install one as part of pre-purchase. Don't believe any of the trainers I flew in 1973-74 getting my license had them. Charles Heathco wrote: > When I got my licence in 66, and again got coml/multi in 69, They were > not in use, at least not that I knew of. I never flew again untill > 2003, when of course they were required. Anyone know when they first > became availible/ requirement? Charlie Heathco > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:43:25 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: When Did ELT's first come availible? Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Canada was requiring around 1972. Congressmen Nick Begich(AK) and Hale > Boggs(LA) disappeared on a flight in Alaska during 1972 campaign, and > by the time I bought my first plane in spring of 1975 they were > required in the US, as had to install one as part of pre-purchase. > Don't believe any of the trainers I flew in 1973-74 getting my license > had them. My '73 Grumman AA-1B had one installed as original equipment. Linn do not archive > > > Charles Heathco wrote: >> When I got my licence in 66, and again got coml/multi in 69, They >> were not in use, at least not that I knew of. I never flew again >> untill 2003, when of course they were required. Anyone know when they >> first became availible/ requirement? Charlie Heathco >> * >> >> >> * > > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:10:46 PM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: When Did ELT's first come available? From: "John Cox" The FARs were re-written (major rewrite) effective Nov of 1973. I spent the summer of 73 flying portable units, by the case lot, around the Pacific NW for sale by FBOs. The battery requirement and mounting procedure changed from the original portable concept much later. Back in 72 you could get a Commercial and CFI with much fewer hours. John Cox Do not Archive -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of linn Walters Sent: Sunday, December 31, 2000 9:30 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: When Did ELT's first come availible? Kelly McMullen wrote: > > Canada was requiring around 1972. Congressmen Nick Begich(AK) and Hale > Boggs(LA) disappeared on a flight in Alaska during 1972 campaign, and > by the time I bought my first plane in spring of 1975 they were > required in the US, as had to install one as part of pre-purchase. > Don't believe any of the trainers I flew in 1973-74 getting my license > had them. My '73 Grumman AA-1B had one installed as original equipment. Linn do not archive > > > Charles Heathco wrote: >> When I got my licence in 66, and again got coml/multi in 69, They >> were not in use, at least not that I knew of. I never flew again >> untill 2003, when of course they were required. Anyone know when they >> first became availible/ requirement? Charlie Heathco >> * >> >> >> * > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:51:27 PM PST US From: "Greg Young" Subject: RE: RV-List: When Did ELT's first come availible? I got my license in 1973 and bought a T-craft that year that had a EBC-102 ELT (the cheap yellow one with the swinging weight) so it was required by then. Regards, Greg Young > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of > Kelly McMullen > Sent: Monday, October 27, 2008 8:36 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: When Did ELT's first come availible? > > > Canada was requiring around 1972. Congressmen Nick Begich(AK) and Hale > Boggs(LA) disappeared on a flight in Alaska during 1972 > campaign, and by the time I bought my first plane in spring > of 1975 they were required in the US, as had to install one > as part of pre-purchase. Don't believe any of the trainers I > flew in 1973-74 getting my license had them. > > Charles Heathco wrote: > > When I got my licence in 66, and again got coml/multi in > 69, They were > > not in use, at least not that I knew of. I never flew again untill > > 2003, when of course they were required. Anyone know when > they first > > became availible/ requirement? Charlie Heathco > > * ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 02:24:31 PM PST US From: Bruno Subject: RV-List: 406 mhz vs 121.5 Dear Emrath ''Only 15 years after ELTs were mandated was satellites monitoring introduced. So you revert to the status ELTs had before 1985. If you really believe that being rescued in 8-12 hours rather than 24 hours is going to make that big a difference, feel free to spend the money.'' Well I'm old enough and I will spend the money regardless of the fact that the Canadian MOT has made it compulsory as of Feb 2009. As an ex-Air Force Search and Rescue crew for many years I've got to tell you that 8-12 hours vs 24 hours will make a world of difference if you're down in the bush with your family being injured or not. The standard 121.5 ELTs are notoriously know for being subject to false alarms ( Ask me how many times I had to get airborne in a hurry to chase what turned out to be a false alarm) or trying to home on a beacon in the mountains with the signal bouncing off the mountain's sides.... The 406 MHZ ELTs have 5 times the transmit power, can be co-located with GPS and have a much better accuracy.... Gentlement, if you are able to afford an airplane, you sure as hell can afford a much better device that will increase your chances of being rescue by a factor too great to put a price tag on it... If you don't care, ask your family what they think..... Regards Bruno Dionne rv4@videotron.ca C-GDBH RV-4 ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 04:43:42 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: When Did ELT's first come availible? I'm pretty sure this was one of those regs that was issued with deadlines extended a couple times. It was rushed through sometime in early '73, with very little review of the TSO, right after the months and millions spent searching for the congressmen. Final deadline was some period longer, as most planes I looked at, shopping in late '74 to early '75 did not have them. Probably because it was in Alaska, and they typically got extensions on a lot of regs. They were around $200 back then, which was a chunk of change, compared to today. linn Walters wrote: > > Kelly McMullen wrote: >> >> Canada was requiring around 1972. Congressmen Nick Begich(AK) and >> Hale Boggs(LA) disappeared on a flight in Alaska during 1972 >> campaign, and by the time I bought my first plane in spring of 1975 >> they were required in the US, as had to install one as part of >> pre-purchase. Don't believe any of the trainers I flew in 1973-74 >> getting my license had them. > My '73 Grumman AA-1B had one installed as original equipment. > Linn > do not archive >> >> >> Charles Heathco wrote: >>> When I got my licence in 66, and again got coml/multi in 69, They >>> were not in use, at least not that I knew of. I never flew again >>> untill 2003, when of course they were required. Anyone know when >>> they first became availible/ requirement? Charlie Heathco >>> * >>> >>> >>> * >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.