---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 10/30/08: 7 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 08:19 AM - RV-6 / 6a kits for sale (Scott Kuebler) 2. 08:34 AM - Re: Question On Low-Pressure Brake Lines... (Paul Besing) 3. 09:30 AM - Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 () 4. 11:47 AM - Off Topic: AV80R vs ATC GPS (Michael Kraus) 5. 12:04 PM - Re: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 (linn Walters) 6. 12:27 PM - Re: Off Topic: AV80R vs ATC GPS (Carlos Hernandez) 7. 01:48 PM - Re: Off Topic: AV80R vs ATC GPS (Mike Divan) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 08:19:39 AM PST US From: "Scott Kuebler" Subject: RV-List: RV-6 / 6a kits for sale RV-6 / 6a kits for sale. Empennage: Complete except for fiberglass tips. Includes electric elevator trim kit. All parts are alodined and primed with Marhyde primer. Wings & Phlogiston Spar: Both skeletons fully assembled. Top skins riveted. Both tanks are complete and sealed. Flaps and ailerons complete, but not fitted. Includes electric aileron trim kit. All parts are alodined and primed with Deft epoxy primer (Mil-P-23377G). Both kits are the pre-punched versions purchased in 1997 & 1998 by myself. Construction is excellent. Preview plans and Orndorff videos are included for both kits. Detailed photos are available upon request. Must sell. The first $3750 takes it all. Buyer arranges transportation. If all items were purchased separately the price would be more than $6500 for the unassembled kits. Regards, Scott Kuebler Buffalo, NY 716-510-0318- cell scottam65@gmail.com ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:34:01 AM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Question On Low-Pressure Brake Lines... Yes, Matt, it's supposed to gravity feed to the cylinders. I did not like the plastic lines, but I have also not heard of them leaking. I like to see the plastic lines (working on the brakes of an RV-6 right now) and can clearly see air (or lack of fluid in this case!) in the clear lines to the cylinders. Van's resevoir has the breathable cap so that you can allow the air to escape to the high point in the system (although there are many times this just doesn't happen, unfortunately) Paul Besing ________________________________ From: Charles Heathco Sent: Wednesday, October 29, 2008 5:09:30 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Question On Low-Pressure Brake Lines... I believe you need the reservour above the lines, but this looks like a question for the Vans guys for sure. Also havent heard of the "plastic" lines ever breaking. Chas ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:30:14 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 $600 406 mhz ELT? ACK may be out now or just coming out with a $600 406 aviation ELT. See their web site. http://www.ackavionics.com/ I posted that PLB's (portable personal beacons) go for $600 to $700. They do not qualify as an aircraft ELT. Handy yes but not FAA approved. Most aviation ELT's (406) that I have prices start at just under $1000. Artex ME406 under $1000. AmeriKing is $906 on sale. EBC 406 under $1000 ACK (in market 2008?) $600 KANNAD (French company) about $2000) ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 11:47:08 AM PST US From: Michael Kraus Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: AV80R vs ATC GPS SGFzIGFueW9uZSBzZWVuIGVpdGhlciBvciBib3RoIG9mIHRoZXNlIGhhbmRoZWxkIHVuaXRzLCB0 aGUgQmVuZGl4LUtpbmcgQVY4T1Igb3IgdGhlIEFueXdoZXJlIE1hcCBBVEM/ICBJJ20gbG9va2lu ZyBmb3IgYSBzbWFsbCBiYWNrdXAgR1BTIGFuZCB0aGV5IGJvdGggbG9vayBuaWNlLCBhcmUgYWJv dXQgdGhlIHNhbWUgcHJpY2UsIGJ1dCBJIGhhdmUgbm90IGFjdHVhbGx5IHNlZW4gb3IgcGxheWVk IHdpdGggZWl0aGVyLg0KVGhhbmtzDQotTWlrZQ0KDQotLS0tLU9yaWdpbmFsIE1lc3NhZ2UtLS0t LQ0KRnJvbTogTWljaGFlbCBLcmF1cyA8bjIyM3J2QHdvbGZsYWtlYWlycG9ydC5uZXQ+DQpTZW50 OiBUdWVzZGF5LCBTZXB0ZW1iZXIgMjMsIDIwMDggMTA6MTggQU0NClRvOiBydi1saXN0QG1hdHJv bmljcy5jb20NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJFOiBSVi1MaXN0OiBBaXIgQm94IE1vdW50aW5nIFBsYXRlDQoN CldlIG1hZGUgb3VyIHNlY29uZCBvbmUgb3V0IG9mIDAuMDkwIG1hdGVyaWFsLi4uLg0KDQpGcm9t OiBmZXJyZXJnQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0DQpTZW50OiBUdWVzZGF5LCBTZXB0ZW1iZXIgMjMsIDIwMDgg OTozNyBBTQ0KVG86IFJWIExpc3QgPHJ2LWxpc3RAbWF0cm9uaWNzLmNvbT4NClN1YmplY3Q6IFJW LUxpc3Q6IEFpciBCb3ggTW91bnRpbmcgUGxhdGUNCg0KVGhlIGxhc3QgdHdvIHRpbWVzIHRoYXSg SSBkaWQgbXkgY29uZGl0aW9uYWwgaW5zcGVjdGlvbiBJIGZvdW5kIHRoYXSgbXkgYWlyIGJveCBt b3VudGluZyBhbHVtaW51bSBwbGF0ZaB3YXMgY3JhY2tlZC4NCqANClRoZSBmaXJzdCB0aW1lIEkg bWFkZSBhIG5ldyBtb3VudGluZyBwbGF0ZSBhbmQgdHJpZWQgdG8gZWxpbWluYXRlIGFzIG1hbnkg c3RyZXNzIHJpc2VycyBhcyBJIGNvdWxkLiBCdXQgaXQgY3JhY2tlZCBhZ2Fpbi4NCqANClRoaXOg dGltZSBJJ20gaGF2aW5nIGEgbWFjaGluZSBzaG9wIGN1dCB0aGUgcmVhciBob2xlIGJlaGluZCB0 aGWgY2FyYnVyZXRvciBhaXIgaW50YWtloChuZWVkZWQgdG8gY2xlYXIgdGhlIHJlYXIgcGFydCBv ZiB0aGWgY2FyYnVyZXRvcimgd2l0aCBhIHdhdGVyIGN1dHRpbmcgdG9vbC4NCqANCkknbSBob3Bp bmcgdGhhdCBhIHNtb290aGVyIGN1dCB3aWxsIHByZXZlbnQgc3RyZXNzIHJpc2Vycy4NCqANCkRv ZXMgYW55b25lIGhhdmUgYW55IHN1Z2dlc3Rpb25zIHRoYXQgbWF5IHByZXZlbnQgdGhlIGNyYWNr aW5nPw0KLS0NCkdhYmUgQSBGZXJyZXINClJWNiBOMkdYDQpTb3V0aCBGbG9yaWRhJ3MgVHJlYXN1 cmUgQ29hc3QNCmVtYWlsOiBmZXJyZXJnQGNvbWNhc3QubmV0DQpjZWxsOiA1NjEgNzU4IDg4OTQN CgoKXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgIC0gVGhlIFJWLUxpc3QgRW1haWwgRm9ydW0gLQpfLT0gVXNl IHRoZSBNYXRyb25pY3MgTGlzdCBGZWF0dXJlcyBOYXZpZ2F0b3IgdG8gYnJvd3NlCl8tPSB0aGUg bWFueSBMaXN0IHV0aWxpdGllcyBzdWNoIGFzIExpc3QgVW4vU3Vic2NyaXB0aW9uLApfLT0gQXJj aGl2ZSBTZWFyY2ggJiBEb3dubG9hZCwgNy1EYXkgQnJvd3NlLCBDaGF0LCBGQVEsCl8tPSBQaG90 b3NoYXJlLCBhbmQgbXVjaCBtdWNoIG1vcmU6Cl8tPSAgIC0tPiBodHRwOi8vd3d3Lm1hdHJvbmlj cy5jb20vTmF2aWdhdG9yP1JWLUxpc3QKXy09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT0KXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgLSBNQVRST05J Q1MgV0VCIEZPUlVNUyAtCl8tPSBTYW1lIGdyZWF0IGNvbnRlbnQgYWxzbyBhdmFpbGFibGUgdmlh IHRoZSBXZWIgRm9ydW1zIQpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL2ZvcnVtcy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tCl8t PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09Cl8tPSAgICAgICAgICAgICAtIExpc3QgQ29udHJpYnV0aW9uIFdlYiBTaXRlIC0KXy09ICBU aGFuayB5b3UgZm9yIHlvdXIgZ2VuZXJvdXMgc3VwcG9ydCEKXy09ICAgICAgICAgICAgICAgICAg ICAgICAgICAgICAgLU1hdHQgRHJhbGxlLCBMaXN0IEFkbWluLgpfLT0gICAtLT4gaHR0cDovL3d3 dy5tYXRyb25pY3MuY29tL2NvbnRyaWJ1dGlvbgpfLT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09 PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PT09PQoK ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 12:04:01 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote: > $600 406 mhz ELT? ACK may be out now or just coming out with a $600 > 406 aviation ELT. See their web site. > > http://www.ackavionics.com/ > > I posted that PLB's (portable personal beacons) go for $600 to $700. > They do not qualify as an aircraft ELT. Handy yes but not FAA approved. Since the FAA has MANDATED that your A/C have an ELT (121.5 / 243)..... just keep it. Since the FAA hasn't mandated anything for the 406 ..... yet ..... (it may come anyway) ..... then the $600 PLB would seem to be money well spent. Linn > > > Most aviation ELT's (406) that I have prices start at just under $1000. > > Artex ME406 under $1000. > AmeriKing is $906 on sale. > EBC 406 under $1000 > ACK (in market 2008?) $600 > KANNAD (French company) about $2000) > > * > > > * ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 12:27:03 PM PST US From: Carlos Hernandez Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic: AV80R vs ATC GPS Tom Velvick here in AZ was a beta tester for AV8OR unit. He has good things to say about it. Here's a thread on VAF all about it with some pic's from Tom. http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=32505&highlight=AV80R Carlos in AZ Michael Kraus wrote: > Has anyone seen either or both of these handheld units, the > Bendix-King AV8OR or the Anywhere Map ATC? I'm looking for a small > backup GPS and they both look nice, are about the same price, but I > have not actually seen or played with either. > Thanks > -Mike > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: Michael Kraus > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:18 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Air Box Mounting Plate > > We made our second one out of 0.090 material.... > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > From: ferrerg@comcast.net > Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:37 AM > To: RV List > Subject: RV-List: Air Box Mounting Plate > > The last two times that I did my conditional inspection I found > that my air box mounting aluminum plate was cracked. > > The first time I made a new mounting plate and tried to eliminate as > many stress risers as I could. But it cracked again. > > This time I'm having a machine shop cut the rear hole behind > the carburetor air intake (needed to clear the rear part of > the carburetor) with a water cutting tool. > > I'm hoping that a smoother cut will prevent stress risers. > > Does anyone have any suggestions that may prevent the cracking? > -- > Gabe A Ferrer > RV6 N2GX > South Florida's Treasure Coast > email: ferrerg@comcast.net > cell: 561 758 8894 > * > > ========== > //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > ========== > ics.com > ========== > matronics.com/contribution > ========== > > * > * > > > * > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > > Checked by AVG. > -- Carlos Hernandez Structural Engineers Company 2963 W. Elliot Rd. - Suite 3 Chandler, AZ 85224 Phone: 480.968.8600 Fax: 480.968.8608 www.sec-engr.com CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE The information in this email may be confidential and/or privileged. This email is intended to be reviewed by only the individual or organization named above. If you are not the intended recipient or an authorized representative of the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any review, dissemination or copyingof this email and its attachments, if any, or the information contained herein is prohibited. If you havereceived this email in error, please immediately notify the sender by return email and delete this email from your system. ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 01:48:24 PM PST US From: Mike Divan Subject: Re: RV-List: Off Topic: AV80R vs ATC GPS I have the Anywhere Map ATC. Not a bad unit. Before that I had the Lorwance 600C and I love it the screen is just to small for my 50 year old eyes. In fact it is still in the plane and used over in the right side every flight. If the Lorwance had WX or traffic I would have gone with the Lorwance 2000C. If they ever do get one of those features I will get it in a heart beat. The ATC is inexpensive and it works ok. I do not have WX yet and I hear they are Beta testing the traffic (which is what I really want). The best feature of the ATV in my view is you can update it almost every day for $115 a year or around $400 lifetime. do not think any one else comes close to that in price. The lorwance is $35 or so every update. The ATC does have its quriks but nothing real bad as far as I have seen so far. It did lock up on me once but only once and that might have been me pushing buttons to fast. If you are near SoCal you are welcome to check it out. Mike Divan N64GH - RV6 (flying) http://n64gh.blogspot.com/ FREEDOM IS NOT FREE - THANK THE AMERICAN SOLDIER FOR YOURS! ________________________________ From: Michael Kraus Sent: Thursday, October 30, 2008 11:44:44 AM Subject: RV-List: Off Topic: AV80R vs ATC GPS Has anyone seen either or both of these handheld units, the Bendix-King AV8OR or the Anywhere Map ATC? I'm looking for a small backup GPS and they both look nice, are about the same price, but I have not actually seen or played with either. Thanks -Mike ________________________________ From: Michael Kraus Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 10:18 AM Subject: RE: RV-List: Air Box Mounting Plate We made our second one out of 0.090 material.... ________________________________ From: ferrerg@comcast.net Sent: Tuesday, September 23, 2008 9:37 AM Subject: RV-List: Air Box Mounting Plate The last two times that I did my conditional inspection I found that my air box mounting aluminum plate was cracked. The first time I made a new mounting plate and tried to eliminate as many stress risers as I could. But it cracked again. This time I'm having a machine shop cut the rear hole behind the carburetor air intake (needed to clear the rear part of the carburetor) with a water cutting tool. I'm hoping that a smoother cut will prevent stress risers. Does anyone have any suggestions that may prevent the cracking? -- Gabe A Ferrer RV6 N2GX South Florida's Treasure Coast email: ferrerg@comcast.net cell: 561 758 8894 ========== //www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List ========== ics.com ========== matronics.com/contribution =========== ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Other Matronics Email List Services ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Post A New Message rv-list@matronics.com UN/SUBSCRIBE http://www.matronics.com/subscription List FAQ http://www.matronics.com/FAQ/RV-List.htm Web Forum Interface To Lists http://forums.matronics.com Matronics List Wiki http://wiki.matronics.com Full Archive Search Engine http://www.matronics.com/search 7-Day List Browse http://www.matronics.com/browse/rv-list Browse Digests http://www.matronics.com/digest/rv-list Browse Other Lists http://www.matronics.com/browse Live Online Chat! http://www.matronics.com/chat Archive Downloading http://www.matronics.com/archives Photo Share http://www.matronics.com/photoshare Other Email Lists http://www.matronics.com/emaillists Contributions http://www.matronics.com/contribution ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- These Email List Services are sponsored solely by Matronics and through the generous Contributions of its members.