---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Fri 10/31/08: 6 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 10:47 AM - Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 () 2. 12:23 PM - Re: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 (Ron Lee) 3. 12:24 PM - Re: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 (Ron Lee) 4. 12:53 PM - Re: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 (Bruce Gray) 5. 02:48 PM - Re: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 (Ron Lee) 6. 09:54 PM - Re: gas card discount (David Cudney) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 10:47:14 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 Linn not to argue but are you not forgetting that you might die? A ELT in theory could bring help and save your life or your passengers life. A 121.5 Mhz ELT only is pretty useless and even more useless in a few months when 243 Mhz tracking goes away. A PLB cost at least $600, where a ACK aircraft ELT cost $600 and will meet future needs. Just my 0.02 worth, Cheers PS the 406 ELT mandate IS COMING, it has to. It cost millions and millions a year to track down false alarms. The good news is 243Mhz satellites are going going gone. 121.5 is not tacked but satellites and has a very short range, so it's unlikely any one will even look for you, saving tax payers money. >From: linn Walters >Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 >>gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com wrote: >> $600 406 mhz ELT? ACK may be out now or just coming out with a $600 >> 406 aviation ELT. See their web site. >> >> http://www.ackavionics.com/ >just keep it. Since the FAA hasn't mandated anything for the 406 ..... > yet ..... (it may come anyway) ..... then the $600 PLB would seem to >be money well spent. >Linn ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 12:23:44 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 George, satellite monitoring of 121.5 MHz (and 243 MHz) is going away. Aircraft may well monitor that frequency for many years. http://www.sarsat.noaa.gov/Phase-outFinal.pdf It was reported (not verified by me) that Fossett had a 406 MHz unit. I have seen nothing to say that 406 MHz units will be more reliable so ELTs in my opinion are mandated dead weight. I have a 406 MHz PLB and will install an APRS (requires a ham license) someday. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 Linn not to argue but are you not forgetting that you might die? A ELT in theory could bring help and save your life or your passengers life. A 121.5 Mhz ELT only is pretty useless and even more useless in a few months when 243 Mhz tracking goes away. A PLB cost at least $600, where a ACK aircraft ELT cost $600 and will meet future needs. Just my 0.02 worth, Cheers PS the 406 ELT mandate IS COMING, it has to. It cost millions and millions a year to track down false alarms. The good news is 243Mhz satellites are going going gone. 121.5 is not tacked but satellites and has a very short range, so it's unlikely any one will even look for you, saving tax payers money. ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 12:24:00 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 What hard evidence do you have that the FAA will mandate 406 MHz ELTs for retrofit? Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 12:53:41 PM PST US From: "Bruce Gray" Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 I doubt if any type of ELT/PLB/APRS will survive flying onto the face of a mountain. Bruce www.Glasair.org -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Ron Lee Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 3:23 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 George, satellite monitoring of 121.5 MHz (and 243 MHz) is going away. Aircraft may well monitor that frequency for many years. http://www.sarsat.noaa.gov/Phase-outFinal.pdf It was reported (not verified by me) that Fossett had a 406 MHz unit. I have seen nothing to say that 406 MHz units will be more reliable so ELTs in my opinion are mandated dead weight. I have a 406 MHz PLB and will install an APRS (requires a ham license) someday. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: gmcjetpilot@yahoo.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 11:43 AM Subject: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 Linn not to argue but are you not forgetting that you might die? A ELT in theory could bring help and save your life or your passengers life. A 121.5 Mhz ELT only is pretty useless and even more useless in a few months when 243 Mhz tracking goes away. A PLB cost at least $600, where a ACK aircraft ELT cost $600 and will meet future needs. Just my 0.02 worth, Cheers PS the 406 ELT mandate IS COMING, it has to. It cost millions and millions a year to track down false alarms. The good news is 243Mhz satellites are going going gone. 121.5 is not tacked but satellites and has a very short range, so it's unlikely any one will even look for you, saving tax payers money. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 02:48:00 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 MessageBut an APRS (or Spot) will leave position reports that will provide far better info to rescue/recover someone than an ELT. One article stated (not verified) that ELTs do not activate in a large number of crashes (maybe it was 50% or more). Or maybe it was over 70%. I do not recall. Regardless, that is a poor value that further supports my opinion that an ELT is just mandated dead weight. I have a better chance of recovery/rescue using flight following. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: Bruce Gray To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 1:52 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 I doubt if any type of ELT/PLB/APRS will survive flying onto the face of a mountain. ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 09:54:34 PM PST US From: David Cudney Subject: RV-List: Re: gas card discount Air Nav advertises a gas discount card (Air Boss) that promises lower fuel prices at participating dealers. Has anyone tried it and is it worth it? 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