---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Sat 11/01/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 12:22 AM - Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! (dralle@matronics.com) 2. 08:05 AM - Another Brake Question (Tim Bryan) 3. 09:19 AM - Re: Another Brake Question (Charles Kuss) 4. 09:39 AM - Re: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 () 5. 09:52 AM - Re: Another Brake Question (linn Walters) 6. 10:03 AM - Re: RV-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 10/31/08 () 7. 10:03 AM - Re: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 () 8. 10:17 AM - Fw: Re: Another Brake Question (Charles Kuss) 9. 12:37 PM - Re: Another Brake Question (Tim Bryan) 10. 12:47 PM - Re: Another Brake Question (linn Walters) 11. 02:16 PM - Re: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 (Brian Huffaker) 12. 03:13 PM - Re: Another Brake Question (Sam Buchanan) 13. 03:37 PM - Re: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 (Ron Lee) 14. 06:04 PM - Re: Question On Low-Pressure Brake Lines... (Matt Dralle) 15. 07:48 PM - Re: Re: Question On Low-Pressure Brake Lines... (MikeNellis) 16. 10:08 PM - Re: Another Brake Question (Paul Besing) 17. 10:10 PM - Re: Re: gas card discount (Paul Besing) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 12:22:17 AM PST US From: dralle@matronics.com Subject: RV-List: Matronics Email List Fund Raiser During November! Dear Listers, Each November I hold a PBS-like fund raiser to support the continued operation and upgrade of the List services at Matronics. It's through soley through the Contributions of List members that these Matronics Lists are possible. 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All three methods afford you the opportunity to select one of this year's free gifts with a qualifying Contribution amount!! To make your Contribution, please visit the secure site below: http://www.matronics.com/contribution I would like to thank everyone in advance for their generous financial AND moral support over the years. I know it sounds a little cliche, but you guys really do feel like family. Thank you for your support! Matt Dralle Matronics Email List Administrator ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 08:05:21 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RV-List: Another Brake Question My last post was a question about my brakes on the -6 as they only had a bit over 100 hours on them. I have received my new brake pads and the tool and replaced the brakes on the left side. Now I am on to the right side and find the brakes on that side are not worn out. Is it OK to leave them as is and only replace the one side? Also, what might cause one side to wear more than the other like that? Maybe I turn that way more often I don't know. Tim ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 09:19:53 AM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Brake Question Tim, It is perfectly OK to do only one side. Most pilots use more right brake, just as they use right rudder on take off. Charlie Kuss --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Tim Bryan wrote: > From: Tim Bryan > Subject: RV-List: Another Brake Question > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 11:03 AM > > > My last post was a question about my brakes on the -6 as > they only had a bit > over 100 hours on them. I have received my new brake pads > and the tool and > replaced the brakes on the left side. Now I am on to the > right side and > find the brakes on that side are not worn out. Is it OK to > leave them as is > and only replace the one side? Also, what might cause one > side to wear more > than the other like that? Maybe I turn that way more often > I don't know. > Tim > > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 09:39:13 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 Ron Fossett flew straight into the side of a mountain. Type of ELT? I have not seen it was a 406Mhz. Even if it was installed properly, it likely (I am guessing) would not have survived the straight in accident. That is way they say install (as required) ELT's in he most aft end of the plane. Even so you are right ELT's do's make unsurvivable accidents survivable, I concede the point. The specs of the 406Mhz, battery and they technology ARE WAY BETTER. That is not debatable. 5 watt burst on 406Mhz that can pinpoint to a relatively small area with ID of plane and owner is WAY WAY Better. Why the resistance. Is it really the lousy $600 or $1000. Gosh I burn 8ga/hr or $40 hour. 25 hours of flying will pay for a new ELT. (I have a Ham ticket so I know what you are talking about.) "SPOT" is a good deal if you don't mind the subscription fee. Also you have to have some one know you have SPOT or APRS and knows to look for you. OLD FASHION STUFF As I taught my students when I was an active CFI, FILE A VFR flight plan in detail and fly the flight plan exactly. Open it accurately and close it properly. That can make a big difference. Fossett was probably just joy riding and no one knew his plans. That is OK in flat lands with population, but fly over rugged remote unpopulated terrain, bye bye. Ironically they found a plane crash from the 1960's that was never found till they where looking for Fossett. Cheers fly safe >From: "Ron Lee" >Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 >It was reported (not verified by me) that Fossett had a 406 MHz unit. >I have seen nothing to say that 406 MHz units will be more reliable so ELTs in >my opinion are mandated dead weight. > >I have a 406 MHz PLB and will install an APRS (requires a ham license) >someday. ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 09:52:05 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Brake Question Tim Bryan wrote: > > My last post was a question about my brakes on the -6 as they only had a bit > over 100 hours on them. I have received my new brake pads and the tool and > replaced the brakes on the left side. Now I am on to the right side and > find the brakes on that side are not worn out. Is it OK to leave them as is > and only replace the one side? Yes > Also, what might cause one side to wear more > than the other like that? Chances are that the brake cylinder isn't easily riding on the pins. If they're dirty or rusty, clean them up really good .... and put them back together dry. No lube. > Maybe I turn that way more often I don't know. > I doubt that's the case ..... of course the left side could be dragging and wearing out the pads ..... yopu might want to clean up those pins too. Linn > Tim > > > ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:53 AM PST US From: Subject: RV-List: Re: RV-List Digest: 6 Msgs - 10/31/08 No HARD evidence. It is my opinion Mr. Ron Lee after 23 years in aviation dealing with the FAA in certification and in operations of aircraft, including Boeing, Airline pilot and building homebuilts. It will be a matter of time. I promise you the first famous person, politishian or family that dies 5 days after a crash, in a remote area because they could not find their old 121.5 Mhz elt, the new 406 Mhz will be mandated so thereafter. (Fossett was considered an adventurer and risk taker so it did not strike a cord with the public.) WHEN? I don't predict but it is moot. MY POINT was simple, why be a cheapskate and resist superior ELT technology. Even AOPA says after 2009 your old ELT will be blind to satellites. The new ELT's are more affective. The superior technology is not debatable it is a fact, Pos ID, more power, better batteries.....smaller search area with GPS augmentation pinpoint location. Where do you see they will not mandate it. Mexico and Canada will require it. Personally I think people are being foolish for the sake of a petty amount of money out of ignorance, stubborness or both. However I agree if you are a flat lander flying around your airport solo, you don't even need a ELT at all (per the FAR's) much less a new one. AOPA has fought the new ELT's on economics only, but they do recommend it be phased in. I forgot their propaganda lobbyists position, I recall over the next 5 or 10 years, some thing like that. This is more AOPA recomendations/info. http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080904elt.html We can agree to disagree. Cheers do as you like. Just my opinion. Don't be mad because I disagree with you. However I have no problem with your PLB / tracking deal. For most people it will be easier to buy a ACK $600 406Mhz ELT and forget about it for 5 years when the battery needs to be replaced. Just opinion and worth every penney you paid for it. Fly Safe George >From: "Ron Lee" >Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 > >What hard evidence do you have that the FAA will >mandate 406 MHz ELTs for retrofit? > >Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:03:53 AM PST US From: Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 No HARD evidence. It is my opinion Mr. Ron Lee after 23 years in aviation dealing with the FAA in certification and in operations of aircraft, including Boeing, Airline pilot and building homebuilts. It will be a matter of time. I promise you the first famous person, politishian or family that dies 5 days after a crash, in a remote area because they could not find their old 121.5 Mhz elt, the new 406 Mhz will be mandated so thereafter. (Fossett was considered an adventurer and risk taker so it did not strike a cord with the public.) WHEN? I don't predict but it is moot. MY POINT was simple, why be a cheapskate and resist superior ELT technology. Even AOPA says after 2009 your old ELT will be blind to satellites. The new ELT's are more affective. The superior technology is not debatable it is a fact, Pos ID, more power, better batteries.....smaller search area with GPS augmentation pinpoint location. Where do you see they will not mandate it. Mexico and Canada will require it. Personally I think people are being foolish for the sake of a petty amount of money out of ignorance, stubborness or both. However I agree if you are a flat lander flying around your airport solo, you don't even need a ELT at all (per the FAR's) much less a new one. AOPA has fought the new ELT's on economics only, but they do recommend it be phased in. I forgot their propaganda lobbyists position, I recall over the next 5 or 10 years, some thing like that. This is more AOPA recomendations/info. http://www.aopa.org/advocacy/articles/2008/080904elt.html We can agree to disagree. Cheers do as you like. Just my opinion. Don't be mad because I disagree with you. However I have no problem with your PLB / tracking deal. For most people it will be easier to buy a ACK $600 406Mhz ELT and forget about it for 5 years when the battery needs to be replaced. Just opinion and worth every penney you paid for it. Fly Safe George >From: "Ron Lee" >Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 > >What hard evidence do you have that the FAA will >mandate 406 MHz ELTs for retrofit? > >Ron Lee ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 10:17:01 AM PST US From: Charles Kuss Subject: Fw: Re: RV-List: Another Brake Question Listers, Pardon my poor choice of words below. I should have stated that you can often wear one the brakes out on one side due to a prevailing cross wind or a number of other factors. Charlie Kuss --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Charles Kuss wrote: > From: Charles Kuss > Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Brake Question > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 12:19 PM > > > Tim, > It is perfectly OK to do only one side. Most pilots use > more right brake, just as they use right rudder on take off. > Charlie Kuss > > > --- On Sat, 11/1/08, Tim Bryan > wrote: > > > From: Tim Bryan > > Subject: RV-List: Another Brake Question > > To: rv-list@matronics.com > > Date: Saturday, November 1, 2008, 11:03 AM > Bryan" > > > > > > My last post was a question about my brakes on the -6 > as > > they only had a bit > > over 100 hours on them. I have received my new brake > pads > > and the tool and > > replaced the brakes on the left side. Now I am on to > the > > right side and > > find the brakes on that side are not worn out. Is it > OK to > > leave them as is > > and only replace the one side? Also, what might cause > one > > side to wear more > > than the other like that? Maybe I turn that way more > often > > I don't know. > > Tim > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 12:37:59 PM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: Another Brake Question Thanks Linn and Charlie! I will check how free the parts are all moving on the left side and then go fly. Even if it wears a bit more on one side it hasn't caused me any grief and the pads for one side are only $15. Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TB over 100 hours now ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 12:47:06 PM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Brake Question Tim Bryan wrote: > > Thanks Linn and Charlie! > > I will check how free the parts are all moving on the left side and then go > fly. Even if it wears a bit more on one side it hasn't caused me any grief > and the pads for one side are only $15. Yeah, but it's a PITA to change the pads. I would find out what's going on and fix it. You'd hate to have a brake go out when you really need it. And the cost may be more than $15 then! ;-) Linn do not archive > Tim Bryan > RV-6 Flying > N616TB over 100 hours now > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 02:16:38 PM PST US From: Brian Huffaker Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 Another thought on this issue, we are required to have 121.5 ELTs in our aircraft, so the cost of going with the 406 MHz or not is really only the difference between the 121.5 and the 406 MHz. Checking over on Aircraft Spruce, I see about $450 difference. Not cheap, but I agree it will probably be mandated eventually. Might as well have it in the plane from the beginning. Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) RV-8A 80091 Mounting landing gear. 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 03:13:04 PM PST US From: Sam Buchanan Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Brake Question linn Walters wrote: > > Yeah, but it's a PITA to change the pads. I would find out what's > going on and fix it. You'd hate to have a brake go out when you > really need it. And the cost may be more than $15 then! ;-) 'Bout thirty minutes at most on an RV. Pads can removed from the wheel assembly in less time than it takes to remove the wheel pant. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 03:37:18 PM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 Valid cost reasoning for NEW installations. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: "Brian Huffaker" Sent: Saturday, November 01, 2008 3:14 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: 406 mhz vs 121.5 > > Another thought on this issue, we are required to have 121.5 ELTs in > our aircraft, so the cost of going with the 406 MHz or not is really only > the difference between the 121.5 and the 406 MHz. Checking over on > Aircraft Spruce, I see about $450 difference. Not cheap, but I agree it > will probably be mandated eventually. Might as well have it in the plane > from the beginning. > > Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) > RV-8A 80091 Mounting landing gear. > 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying > > > > > ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 06:04:05 PM PST US From: Matt Dralle Subject: RV-List: Re: Question On Low-Pressure Brake Lines... Dear Listers, After some head scratching and a couple more tries, I think I came up with a new design for the low pressure side of the brake lines. With this design, there is a steady slope downward from the reservoir to the master calendars. Seems to be pretty substantial. My only concern is that right feed line going through that candy cane piece isn't really supported anywhere. Its pretty short and solid to the touch, but vibration might cause a issue. Since the bottom floor of the baggage area goes over the top, there's really nothing permanent I can attach it to short of making a bracket of some kind (yuck). So what do you guys think? Matt Dralle RV-8 #82880 N844RV (res) At 06:48 PM 10/28/2008 Tuesday, Matt Dralle wrote: >[snip] > >But here's my question. Notice that on the back side of the second bulkhead, I kind of looped the tubing up and around the hole for the vent. This also positioned tee fitting nicely to feed the left and right sides. The top of that loop is maybe 4 to 5" higher than the top of the reservoir, though. Is the flow from the reservoir to the master cylinders suppose to be basically "gravity fed" or is the "pump" action from the master cylinders all that is necessary to keep the tube and master cylinders full? > >Matt Dralle >RV-8 #82880 N844RV (res) ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:48:12 PM PST US From: MikeNellis Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: Question On Low-Pressure Brake Lines... Hi Matt, You've created a plumbing masterpiece but it's a ton of complication and cost. Have you thought about just mounting the brake reservoir right on the brake master cylinders? This is similar to the set up that I've used. $22/ea. Good luck. http://www.aircraftspruce.com/catalog/lgpages/remoteFluidReservoirs.php > Dear Listers, > > After some head scratching and a couple more tries, I think I came up with a new design for the low pressure side of the brake lines. With this design, there is a steady slope downward from the reservoir to the master calendars. Seems to be pretty substantial. My only concern is that right feed line going through that candy cane piece isn't really supported anywhere. Its pretty short and solid to the touch, but vibration might cause a issue. Since the bottom floor of the baggage area goes over the top, there's really nothing permanent I can attach it to short of making a bracket of some kind (yuck). > > So what do you guys think? > > Matt Dralle > RV-8 #82880 N844RV (res) > > > ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 10:08:32 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Brake Question Agreed...I just removed both break calipers, replaced the o rings, cleaned them thoroughly, riveted new pads, installed, safety wire, etc...all in about an hour and a half..not a big job by any standards... BTW, harbor freight sells a really cool one man vacuum bleed kit that you hook air up to, and it has a nice large reservoir for collecting the brake fluid...plus a fluid supply bottle with a ball valve...nifty...$29. Paul Besing ________________________________ From: Sam Buchanan Sent: Saturday, November 1, 2008 3:12:01 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Another Brake Question linn Walters wrote: > > Yeah, but it's a PITA to change the pads. I would find out what's > going on and fix it. You'd hate to have a brake go out when you > really need it. And the cost may be more than $15 then! ;-) 'Bout thirty minutes at most on an RV. Pads can removed from the wheel assembly in less time than it takes to remove the wheel pant. Sam Buchanan ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 10:10:14 PM PST US From: Paul Besing Subject: Re: RV-List: Re: gas card discount Not yet...but...speaking of gas prices...if flying through AZ and you don't stop at St. Johns (the lowest in the state) go to CGZ Casa Grande...3.70 I paid the other day...about a dollar cheaper than any surrounding airports. Paul Besing ________________________________ From: David Cudney Sent: Friday, October 31, 2008 9:53:10 PM Subject: RV-List: Re: gas card discount Air Nav advertises a gas discount card (Air Boss) that promises lower fuel prices at participating dealers. Has anyone tried it and is it worth it? 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