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1. 08:52 AM - Pitot testing (Charles Brame)
2. 09:19 AM - Pitot testing (James H Nelson)
3. 11:22 AM - RV9A for Sale (david cook)
4. 02:08 PM - Re: Pitot testing (Kevin Horton)
5. 05:29 PM - Nedd info (bert murillo)
6. 05:46 PM - Re: Nedd info (Dale Walter)
7. 06:09 PM - Re: Nedd info (JAMES BOWEN)
8. 06:21 PM - Re: Nedd info (Dale Walter)
9. 06:29 PM - Re: Nedd info (Randy Hooper)
10. 06:35 PM - Re: Nedd info (Jerry Springer)
11. 08:51 PM - Re: Nedd info (dan@rdan.com)
12. 09:22 PM - Re: Nedd info (Terry Watson)
13. 10:09 PM - Re: Nedd info (MikeNellis)
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I have not done manometer tests on my flying RV-6A, but I have done
leak down tests on both the static and pitot system. No leaks in
either system.
I have done airspeed calibration runs in the air using GPS ground
speed while flying North, South, East and West and averaging the
results. I run the speed tests at various altitudes and temperatures
and calculated the True Airspeed in each case. All the test runs had
similar results. At slow speeds (below 80 KTAS) my airspeed indicator
is accurate to within one knot. At moderate speeds (120-130 KTAS) my
airspeed reads four to five knots fast. At high speeds, (165 KTAS) the
error grows to about seven knots. I have one of Van's airspeed
indicators and it has no adjustment capability.
I find it interesting that Ralph's manometer tests also show a higher
than actual airspeed indication at high speeds. I am at a loss as to
why this happens and wonder if others have noticed similar errors.
Is this typical of Van's airspeed instruments? An acquaintance with an
RV-9 and a Dynon system says his airspeed indications are very
accurate at all speeds and altitudes.
Inquiring minds want to know.
Charlie Brame
RV-6A N11CB
San Antonio
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Time: 11:31:46 AM PST US
From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
Subject: RV-List: Pitot testing
Folks,
I have been doing my Pitot testing. I have built a manometer per the
EAA chapter
1000 instructions and using the MicroEncoder chart and Kevin Horton's
spreadsheet.
Here are some results:
At lower airspeed numbers, the manometer readings are exact. As the
airspeed numbers
rise, the manometer readings deviate from the numbers on the spreadsheet
that I have (thanks Kevin Horton) to the low side - meaning the
manometer reading
is lower than specified for a given airspeed indication...also meaning
that
the airspeed would indicate an amount higher than actual for the
correct manometer
reading. All are within the 3% or 5kts specified by FAR 23.1323.
Also, I am experiencing a very slow bleed-down - on the order of 4 to
7 minutes
to lose 100kts of airspeed at 0035'MSL. The only way I found this was
walking
away to record my numbers in the computer after I was done - when I
came back
it was lower.....did not see it between tests while I was doing it
though.
I've looked through FAR 23.1323 - Airspeed indicating system. It does
not have
anything in it regarding a leak tolerance...unlike the FAR 23.1325 -
Static pressure
system, which allows 100fpm @ 1000' AGL indicated. What do folks use
for a leakdown tolerance? Or is this good enough to not matter?
Thanks,
Ralph Capen
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Chuck,
I have a single scale air speed indicator. I originally had one
of Van's multi reading a/s indicator but found it had to much information
on the dial. So, since I do all things in Knots and Nautical miles, I
bought an indicator that reads only in Knots. I don't care to convert
back and forth with speeds. Keep it simple. My EFIS gives me TAS, GS,
and IAS (all in Knots). Almost more than I need to know. My testing of
the system for pressure and static required me to "glue" all the fittings
that are not directly required for instrument removal. I used "Goop"
adhesive available at the aviation section at the Home despot. Great
stuff. It also holds my static line in places in the cockpit where it
droops a bit. It also holds my wiring under my "arm rest" on the copilot
side for the ELT panel indicator.
Jim
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Subject: | Re: Pitot testing |
The average of runs in four cardinal directions is only equal to the
TAS if the wind is calm. The error is small if the wind speed is low,
but the error can be large if the wind speed is large. If you are
going to use this method, pay attention to how much the ground speed
varies on the four runs. If the four ground speeds are not too
different, then the winds are low, and it is safe to use the average
of the four runs. At 150 kt, TAS, if the difference between the
highest and lowest ground is less than 25 kt, then the average of the
four ground speeds should be within a half kt of the TAS. If the
difference between the highest and lowest ground speeds is 35 kt, the
error could be as high as 1 kt. If the ground speeds are quite
different, then it would be more accurate to use a method that
accounts for the effect of wind, such as the four leg option of the
NTPS spreadsheet.
http://www.ntps.edu/Files/GPS%20PEC.XLS
Kevin Horton
On 3-Dec-08, at 11:50 , Charles Brame wrote:
> I have not done manometer tests on my flying RV-6A, but I have done
> leak down tests on both the static and pitot system. No leaks in
> either system.
>
> I have done airspeed calibration runs in the air using GPS ground
> speed while flying North, South, East and West and averaging the
> results. I run the speed tests at various altitudes and temperatures
> and calculated the True Airspeed in each case. All the test runs had
> similar results. At slow speeds (below 80 KTAS) my airspeed
> indicator is accurate to within one knot. At moderate speeds
> (120-130 KTAS) my airspeed reads four to five knots fast. At high
> speeds, (165 KTAS) the error grows to about seven knots. I have one
> of Van's airspeed indicators and it has no adjustment capability.
>
> I find it interesting that Ralph's manometer tests also show a
> higher than actual airspeed indication at high speeds. I am at a
> loss as to why this happens and wonder if others have noticed
> similar errors.
>
> Is this typical of Van's airspeed instruments? An acquaintance with
> an RV-9 and a Dynon system says his airspeed indications are very
> accurate at all speeds and altitudes.
>
> Inquiring minds want to know.
>
> Charlie Brame
> RV-6A N11CB
> San Antonio
>
> -----------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Time: 11:31:46 AM PST US
> From: "Ralph E. Capen" <recapen@earthlink.net>
> Subject: RV-List: Pitot testing
>
>
> Folks,
>
> I have been doing my Pitot testing. I have built a manometer per
> the EAA chapter
> 1000 instructions and using the MicroEncoder chart and Kevin
> Horton's spreadsheet.
>
> Here are some results:
>
> At lower airspeed numbers, the manometer readings are exact. As the
> airspeed numbers
> rise, the manometer readings deviate from the numbers on the
> spreadsheet
> that I have (thanks Kevin Horton) to the low side - meaning the
> manometer reading
> is lower than specified for a given airspeed indication...also
> meaning that
> the airspeed would indicate an amount higher than actual for the
> correct manometer
> reading. All are within the 3% or 5kts specified by FAR 23.1323.
>
> Also, I am experiencing a very slow bleed-down - on the order of 4
> to 7 minutes
> to lose 100kts of airspeed at 0035'MSL. The only way I found this
> was walking
> away to record my numbers in the computer after I was done - when I
> came back
> it was lower.....did not see it between tests while I was doing it
> though.
>
> I've looked through FAR 23.1323 - Airspeed indicating system. It
> does not have
> anything in it regarding a leak tolerance...unlike the FAR 23.1325 -
> Static pressure
> system, which allows 100fpm @ 1000' AGL indicated. What do folks use
> for a leakdown tolerance? Or is this good enough to not matter?
>
> Thanks,
> Ralph Capen
>
>
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Hi:
I need to buy one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical
name Hw...something, the white material block, that holds the
cannopy down, on the rear sides, for slider..
I know I can order it from Vans, but you what the cost will be...
I recently order a few bolts I needed, the total cost of the
items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost
$10.00,,, a rip off..
Does any one knows where I can buy it, besides Van's??
I never understand , how the shipping cost you more than the items
you buy....
Thanks for any info on this...
Bert
rv6a
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they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual?
Robert
I have always said: Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or
peopole on third world countries. It is abounding in the USA, not only on
people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even the
President of the US, has shown stupidity many times...
NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have
created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time.
robert
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:26 PM
Subject: RV-List: Nedd info
Hi:
I need to buy one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical
name Hw...something, the white material block, that holds the
cannopy down, on the rear sides, for slider..
I know I can order it from Vans, but you what the cost will be...
I recently order a few bolts I needed, the total cost of the
items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost
$10.00,,, a rip off..
Does any one knows where I can buy it, besides Van's??
I never understand , how the shipping cost you more than the items
you buy....
Thanks for any info on this...
Bert
rv6a
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Isn't the purpose of this list to help as many builders as possible? The di
ssemination of information to those who request it. It's kind of what build
s this little community of ours. I thought the only dumb question was the o
ne not asked............
Jim
> From: dale1rv6@comcast.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RE: RV-Li
st: Nedd info> Date: Wed=2C 3 Dec 2008 20:44:42 -0500> > --> RV-List messag
e posted by: "Dale Walter" dale1rv6@comcast.net > > --> RV-List message pos
ted by: bert murillo <robertrv607@yahoo.com>> > they should know better.. d
on't they ever read the instruction manual?> Robert> > I have always said:
Ignorance and stupidity=2C are not the privilege=2Cor> peopole on third wor
ld countries. It is abounding in the USA=2C not only on> people with no hig
hschool education=2C but in the upper ladder=2C even the> President of the
US=2C has shown stupidity many times...> > NO sense on trying to convince p
eople=2C on something they already have> created in their minds to be true.
.. is a waste of time.> > robert> > -----Original Message-----> From: owner
-rv-list-server@matronics.com> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]
On Behalf Of bert murillo> Sent: Wednesday=2C December 03=2C 2008 8:26 PM>
ge posted by: bert murillo <robertrv607@yahoo.com>> > Hi:> > I need to buy
one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical> name Hw...something=2C t
he white material block=2C that holds the> cannopy down=2C on the rear side
s=2C for slider..> > I know I can order it from Vans=2C but you what the co
st will be...> I recently order a few bolts I needed=2C the total cost of t
he> items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost> $10.0
0=2C=2C=2C a rip off..> > Does any one knows where I can buy it=2C besides
Van's??> > I never understand =2C how the shipping cost you more than the i
tems> you buy....> > Thanks for any info on this...> > > Bert> > rv6a> > >
=================> > >
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Hi Jim,
If you read carefully below you will see the comments are not mine. I agree
with you. Below is a tongue in cheek; feeding Bert his own medicine.
No hard feelings intended, only humor.
Dale
Happy Holidays to all
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAMES BOWEN
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info
Isn't the purpose of this list to help as many builders as possible? The
dissemination of information to those who request it. It's kind of what
builds this little community of ours. I thought the only dumb question was
the one not asked............
Jim
> From: dale1rv6@comcast.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:44:42 -0500
>
>
>
> they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual?
> Robert
>
> I have always said: Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or
> peopole on third world countries. It is abounding in the USA, not only on
> people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even the
> President of the US, has shown stupidity many times...
>
> NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have
> created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time.
>
> robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:26 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Nedd info
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I need to buy one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical
> name Hw...something, the white material block, that holds the
> cannopy down, on the rear sides, for slider..
>
> I know I can order it from Vans, but you what the cost will be...
> I recently order a few bolts I needed, the total cost of the
> items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost
> $10.00,,, a rip off..
>
> Does any one knows where I can buy it, besides Van's??
>
> I never understand , how the shipping cost you more than the items
> you buy....
>
> Thanks for any info on this...
>
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
>
>
>
&=======
>
>
>
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Bert, I think you are talking about UHMW, Ultra High Molecular Weight
material.
Here in Nashville I have found it at Nashville Rubber and Gasket. Maybe you
have a similar supplier near you.
Randy Hooper
On Wed, Dec 3, 2008 at 7:26 PM, bert murillo <robertrv607@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Hi:
>
> I need to buy one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical
> name Hw...something, the white material block, that holds the
> cannopy down, on the rear sides, for slider..
>
> I know I can order it from Vans, but you what the cost will be...
> I recently order a few bolts I needed, the total cost of the
> items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost
> $10.00,,, a rip off..
>
> Does any one knows where I can buy it, besides Van's??
>
> I never understand , how the shipping cost you more than the items
> you buy....
>
> Thanks for any info on this...
>
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
>
--
Randy Hooper
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Good one Dale I like it, :-) if they read the instruction manual they
would know what that little Hw.....something doo hicky was called.
do not archive
Dale Walter wrote:
>
>
>they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual?
>Robert
>
>I have always said: Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or
>peopole on third world countries. It is abounding in the USA, not only on
>people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even the
>President of the US, has shown stupidity many times...
>
>NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have
>created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time.
>
>robert
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
>[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo
>Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:26 PM
>To: rv-list@matronics.com
>Subject: RV-List: Nedd info
>
>
>Hi:
>
>I need to buy one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical
>name Hw...something, the white material block, that holds the
>cannopy down, on the rear sides, for slider..
>
>I know I can order it from Vans, but you what the cost will be...
>I recently order a few bolts I needed, the total cost of the
>items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost
>$10.00,,, a rip off..
>
>Does any one knows where I can buy it, besides Van's??
>
>I never understand , how the shipping cost you more than the items
>you buy....
>
>Thanks for any info on this...
>
>
>Bert
>
>rv6a
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual?
> By Robert
These were comments directed to-ME and my question-regarding tubing fla
irs, I took them a being a "stupid question" something I should have know,
or read about in the manual, I instantly went to the manual and yes,"Sectio
n 3, page 3-3 paragraph 6 does has a 31 word explanation that explains exac
tly what I asked ,
So why do-I pay for this forum?
because I want to learn to build and fly my airplane,
by the way what is "Nedd info"?
The closest I could find in my dictionary is Neddy -- donkey !
-
Dan,
-
-
--- On Wed, 12/3/08, Dale Walter <dale1rv6@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Dale Walter <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info
Hi Jim,
If you read carefully below you will see the comments are not mine. I agree
with you. Below is a tongue in cheek; feeding Bert his own medicine.
No hard feelings intended, only humor.
Dale
-
Happy Holidays to all
-
Do not archive
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matro
nics.com] On Behalf Of JAMES BOWEN
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info
-
Isn't the purpose of this list to help as many builders as possible? The di
ssemination of information to those who request it. It's kind of what build
s this little community of ours.-I thought the only dumb question was the
one not asked............
-
Jim
-
> From: dale1rv6@comcast.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:44:42 -0500
>
>
>
> they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual?
> Robert
>
> I have always said: Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or
> peopole on third world countries. It is abounding in the USA , not only o
n
> people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even the
> President of the US , has shown stupidity many times...
>
> NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have
> created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time.
>
> robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:26 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Nedd info
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I need to buy one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical
> name Hw...something, the white material block, that holds the
> cannopy down, on the rear sides, for slider..
>
> I know I can order it from Vans, but you what the cost will be...
> I recently order a few bolts I needed, the total cost of the
> items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost
> $10.00,,, a rip off..
>
> Does any one knows where I can buy it, besides Van's??
>
> I never understand , how the shipping cost you more than the items
> you buy....
>
> Thanks for any info on this...
>
>
> Bert
>
> rv6a
>
>
>
>
&=======
>
>
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ntribution
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Dan,
Don't worry. Some people that know everything want to make sure you know
that they know everything. But they don't seem to know where the delete key
is.
Terry
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dan@rdan.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:51 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info
they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual?
> By Robert
These were comments directed to ME and my question regarding tubing flairs,
I took them a being a "stupid question" something I should have know, or
read about in the manual, I instantly went to the manual and yes,"Section 3,
page 3-3 paragraph 6 does has a 31 word explanation that explains exactly
what I asked ,
So why do I pay for this forum?
because I want to learn to build and fly my airplane,
by the way what is "Nedd info"?
The closest I could find in my dictionary is Neddy -- donkey !
Dan,
--- On Wed, 12/3/08, Dale Walter <dale1rv6@comcast.net> wrote:
From: Dale Walter <dale1rv6@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info
Hi Jim,
If you read carefully below you will see the comments are not mine. I agree
with you. Below is a tongue in cheek; feeding Bert his own medicine.
No hard feelings intended, only humor.
Dale
Happy Holidays to all
Do not archive
_____
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAMES BOWEN
Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:09 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info
Isn't the purpose of this list to help as many builders as possible? The
dissemination of information to those who request it. It's kind of what
builds this little community of ours. I thought the only dumb question was
the one not asked............
Jim
> From: dale1rv6@comcast.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info
> Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:44:42 -0500
>
<mailto:dale1rv6@comcast.net> dale1rv6@comcast.net
>
>
> they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual?
> Robert
>
> I have always said: Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or
> peopole on third world countries. It is abounding in the USA , not only on
> people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even the
> President of the US , has shown stupidity many times...
>
> NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have
> created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time.
>
> robert
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
> [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo
> Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:26 PM
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Nedd info
>
>
> Hi:
>
> I need to buy one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical
> name Hw...something, the white material block, that holds the
> cannopy down, on the rear sides, for slider..
>
> I know I can order it from Vans, but you what the cost will be...
> I recently order a few bolts I needed, the total cost of the
> items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost
> $10.00,,, a rip off..
>
> Does any one knows where I can buy it, besides Van's??
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> I never understand , how the shipping cost you more than the items
> you buy....
>
> Thanks for any info on this...
>
>
> Bert
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> rv6a
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Is it just me or is the following quoted paragraph an oxymoron? The
writer states, "I have always said........" and then goes on to deliver
a paragraph filled with punctuation and grammar mistakes. It just
proves the validity of his statement by using himself as an example.
Come on, if you're going to discuss ignorance and stupidity at least
proof your comments before sending them.
Mike
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> they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual?
> Robert
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> I have always said: Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or
> peopole on third world countries. It is abounding in the USA, not only on
> people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even the
> President of the US, has shown stupidity many times...
>
> NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have
> created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time.
>
> robert
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