---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/04/08: 17 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 03:31 AM - Re: Nedd info (Deene Ogden) 2. 06:24 AM - Nedd info / list protocol / simple common courtesy (glen matejcek) 3. 06:28 AM - Re: Nedd info (David Nelson) 4. 06:36 AM - Re: Nedd info (dan@rdan.com) 5. 07:44 AM - Re: Need info (Ron Lee) 6. 07:54 AM - Re: Nedd info (Brian Huffaker) 7. 08:16 AM - Re: Wing Walk Material (bert murillo) 8. 08:35 AM - Re: Wing Walk Material (bert murillo) 9. 08:37 AM - boysaccessories info. (bert murillo) 10. 08:54 AM - Re: Nedd info (John Cox) 11. 10:27 AM - Re: Need info (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty) 12. 11:32 AM - Re: boysaccessories info. (Randy Hooper) 13. 01:10 PM - Re: Wing Walk Material (David Burnham) 14. 02:55 PM - Re: Need info (Ed Anderson) 15. 07:17 PM - IO-360-B Power Chart? (J Riffel) 16. 07:26 PM - Re: IO-360-B Power Chart? (Kelly McMullen) 17. 08:19 PM - Re: Need info (Vanremog@aol.com) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 03:31:49 AM PST US From: "Deene Ogden " Subject: Re: RV-List: Nedd info Avery tools sells this material (UHMW) in small blocks. Deene Ogden ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 06:24:59 AM PST US From: "glen matejcek" Subject: RV-List: Nedd info / list protocol / simple common courtesy Yeah, unfortunately in this medium if someone cracks wise with the best of intentions and wit, somewhere, at least someone is going to be mortally wounded and may well 'retaliate' and start a minor crap storm. Of course, my personal favorite is when you take the time, effort, and sometimes expense to research a topic, going right up to as close to the top of the food chain as a mere mortal can and report back to the list, only to discover you have trampled someone's dearest held myth which then results in you being assaulted personally. Sometimes this list operates in as rarefied an atmosphere as a grade school cafeteria. And people wonder why participation on this list is petering out. I'm just glad Matt made this valiant effort for the greater good and not for a living. Well, now that I've made someone apoplectic, I think I'll go cut some aluminum. Cheers to all the sane, well adjusted, comfortable-in-their-own-skin folks out there trying to learn something pertinent. And, of course, Do Not Archive. It's the right thing to do with non-RV building material. glen matejcek aerobubba@earthlink.ne ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 06:28:07 AM PST US From: David Nelson Subject: Re: RV-List: Nedd info Hi Bert, I got my UHMW from a plastics distributor in town. I stopped by and and they allowed me to poke around their scrap bin. Regards, /\/elson On Wed, 3 Dec 2008, bert murillo wrote: > > Hi: > > I need to buy one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical > name Hw...something, the white material block, that holds the > cannopy down, on the rear sides, for slider.. > > I know I can order it from Vans, but you what the cost will be... > I recently order a few bolts I needed, the total cost of the > items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost > $10.00,,, a rip off.. > > Does any one knows where I can buy it, besides Van's?? > > I never understand , how the shipping cost you more than the items > you buy.... > > Thanks for any info on this... > > > Bert > > rv6a > > ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:36:21 AM PST US From: dan@rdan.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Nedd info Tap plastics http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/category.php?bid=24 has some HDPE (Rigid High-Density Polyethylene probably not the same stuff - as HUMW but is is great to work with for making odd things, I have a store near me and have used this on aviation --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Deene Ogden wrote: From: Deene Ogden Subject: Re: RV-List: Nedd info Avery tools sells this material (UHMW) in small blocks=85 - Deene Ogden ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:44:01 AM PST US From: "Ron Lee" Subject: Re: RV-List: Need info Can't anyone correct the subject line? Do not archive ----- Original Message ----- From: dan@rdan.com To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:35 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Nedd info Tap plastics http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/category.php?bid=24 has some HDPE (Rigid High-Density Polyethylene probably not the same stuff as HUMW but is is great to work with for making odd things, I have a store near me and have used this on aviation --- On Thu, 12/4/08, Deene Ogden wrote: From: Deene Ogden Subject: Re: RV-List: Nedd info To: rv-list@matronics.com Date: Thursday, December 4, 2008, 3:28 AM Avery tools sells this material (UHMW) in small blocks=85 Deene Ogden blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/contribution t=_blank rel=nofollow>http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List =nofollow>http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 07:54:30 AM PST US From: Brian Huffaker Subject: Re: RV-List: Nedd info On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, dan@rdan.com wrote: > Tap plastics > http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/category.php?bid=24 > has some HDPE (Rigid High-Density Polyethylene probably not the same > stuff- as HUMW > but is is great to work with for making odd things, > I have a store near me and have used this on aviation > Another source of cheap, hard plastic is plastic cutting boards. If you find it on sale, can be quite cheap. Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) RV-8A 80091 Fitting fuel vent lines. 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying


________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 08:16:28 AM PST US From: bert murillo Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Walk Material yES dAVE,;i WAS LOOKING AT THAT, BUT MY GOSH, THEY WANTED A TOTAL OF $28.00 FOR JUST ONE PIECE....CANNOT AFFORD THAT,, IS CRAZY.... BERT --- On Sat, 11/22/08, David Burnham wrote: > From: David Burnham > Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Walk Material > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 12:54 PM > Robin, I used Ray Allen's wing walk material - very > happy with it. > > http://www.rayallencompany.com/index.html > > Dave Burnham > N64FN > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Robin Marks > wrote: > > Marks" > > > > Dear List, > > It's time to think about wing walk > material. I could go with the > > standard Vans RV-10 material or the (near) clear wing > walk material > > offered by ACS. Are there any other (good) options > available that are > > visually appealing and functional or does anyone have > a preference on > > one material over another? > > > > Thanks, > > Robin > > > > RV-4 Sold > > RV-6A 465 Hours > > RV-10 30 hours > > RV-8A Next > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 08:35:29 AM PST US From: bert murillo Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Walk Material Randy: thanks for the info. I was trying to order this item, but I cannot get thru, gave all the information about credit cart etc.. but i do not know if it went thru... I cnnot find either their address or telephone number,..whey the do not list that on their web page, it should be the first thing to do... in my opinion. thanks for any info you can give me...I need to contact them, bert --- On Sat, 11/22/08, Randy Hooper wrote: > From: Randy Hooper > Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Walk Material > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 4:19 PM > I am getting ready to order the wing walk material from > flyboyaccessories.com. From the description it seems to be > a better option. > > Randy Hooper > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 11:54 AM, David Burnham > wrote: > > > Robin, I used Ray Allen's wing walk material - > very happy with it. > > > > http://www.rayallencompany.com/index.html > > > > Dave Burnham > > N64FN > > > > On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Robin Marks > wrote: > > > Marks" > >> > >> Dear List, > >> It's time to think about wing walk > material. I could go with the > >> standard Vans RV-10 material or the (near) clear > wing walk material > >> offered by ACS. Are there any other (good) options > available that are > >> visually appealing and functional or does anyone > have a preference on > >> one material over another? > >> > >> Thanks, > >> Robin > >> > >> RV-4 Sold > >> RV-6A 465 Hours > >> RV-10 30 hours > >> RV-8A Next > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > * > > > > > > > > > -- > Randy Hooper ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 08:37:12 AM PST US From: bert murillo Subject: RV-List: boysaccessories info. Hi: I am trying to contact the Flyboysaccessories, but I do not see their phone no. or e mail address on their web page. Trying to order some wingwalk.... Any one has their tel. no.? thanks bert ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:54:28 AM PST US Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info From: "John Cox" Tap Plastics "Scrap & Remnant" bin sells for $0.50 per pound. I visit occasionally and pick up lots of pieces that will do the job for pennies on the dollar. The bin's scraps are constantly changing. John Cox -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Brian Huffaker Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 7:54 AM Subject: Re: RV-List: Nedd info On Thu, 4 Dec 2008, dan@rdan.com wrote: > Tap plastics > http://www.tapplastics.com/shop/category.php?bid=24 > has some HDPE (Rigid High-Density Polyethylene probably not the same > stuff as HUMW > but is is great to work with for making odd things, > I have a store near me and have used this on aviation > Another source of cheap, hard plastic is plastic cutting boards. If you find it on sale, can be quite cheap. Brian Huffaker, DSWL (bifft@xmission.com) RV-8A 80091 Fitting fuel vent lines. 1/4 Starduster II N23UT flying


________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 10:27:22 AM PST US From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" Subject: Re: RV-List: Need info Dan, Your question was good, you now know the answer. I'm sure that all of the builders acquired this knowledge at some point, either by reading the manual, EAA Chapter Tech, a friend building a plane and/or A&P. Great, keep working on that plane, I'm sure you are doing a great job. Because of your post, I now know we need to be really careful when we flair our tubing, per Ed's post. On my own tubing I have always cleaned them a little with emery cloth. Ed, what do you think about using emery cloth on the flair? What do we do with the rough edge made by the flairing tool? Jim Fogarty RV9a building ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Watson To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:22 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info Dan, Don't worry. Some people that know everything want to make sure you know that they know everything. But they don't seem to know where the delete key is. Terry From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dan@rdan.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:51 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual? > By Robert These were comments directed to ME and my question regarding tubing flairs, I took them a being a "stupid question" something I should have know, or read about in the manual, I instantly went to the manual and yes,"Section 3, page 3-3 paragraph 6 does has a 31 word explanation that explains exactly what I asked , So why do I pay for this forum? because I want to learn to build and fly my airplane, by the way what is "Nedd info"? The closest I could find in my dictionary is Neddy -- donkey ! Dan, --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Dale Walter wrote: From: Dale Walter Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info To: rv-list@matronics.com Date: Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 6:20 PM Hi Jim, If you read carefully below you will see the comments are not mine. I agree with you. Below is a tongue in cheek; feeding Bert his own medicine. No hard feelings intended, only humor. Dale Happy Holidays to all Do not archive ------------------------------------------------------------------------ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAMES BOWEN Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:09 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info Isn't the purpose of this list to help as many builders as possible? The dissemination of information to those who request it. It's kind of what builds this little community of ours. I thought the only dumb question was the one not asked............ Jim > From: dale1rv6@comcast.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:44:42 -0500 > dale1rv6@comcast.net > > > they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual? > Robert > > I have always said: Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or > peopole on third world countries. It is abounding in the USA , not only on > people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even the > President of the US , has shown stupidity many times... > > NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have > created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time. > > robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:26 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Nedd info > > > Hi: > > I need to buy one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical > name Hw...something, the white material block, that holds the > cannopy down, on the rear sides, for slider.. > > I know I can order it from Vans, but you what the cost will be... > I recently order a few bolts I needed, the total cost of the > items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost > $10.00,,, a rip off.. > > Does any one knows where I can buy it, besides Van's?? > > I never understand , how the shipping cost you more than the items > you buy.... > > Thanks for any info on this... > > > Bert > > rv6a > > > > &======= > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contributionhttp://www.matronics.com/Navigator?R V-Listhttp://forums.matronics.com ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 12/4/2008 8:05 AM ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 11:32:02 AM PST US From: "Randy Hooper" Subject: Re: RV-List: boysaccessories info. Bert, you can reach Vince @ 812-464-1839 or 812-985-7309. He is a great guy to work with. If he doesn't answer, he will get right back to you. Randy Hooper On Thu, Dec 4, 2008 at 10:36 AM, bert murillo wrote: > > Hi: > > I am trying to contact the Flyboysaccessories, but I do not see their > phone no. or e mail address on their web page. > > Trying to order some wingwalk.... > > Any one has their tel. no.? > > thanks > > bert > > -- Randy Hooper ________________________________ Message 13 ____________________________________ Time: 01:10:35 PM PST US From: "David Burnham" Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Walk Material Hi Bert - expensive but looks good., also sticks well. Isn't rough like some of others. They may send you a sample to look at. If not I have some I could send - bought an extra sheet for steps, other products I'd tried came off Dave On 12/4/08, bert murillo wrote: > > yES dAVE,;i WAS LOOKING AT THAT, BUT MY GOSH, THEY WANTED A TOTAL OF $28.00 > FOR JUST ONE PIECE....CANNOT AFFORD THAT,, IS CRAZY.... > > BERT > --- On Sat, 11/22/08, David Burnham wrote: > >> From: David Burnham >> Subject: Re: RV-List: Wing Walk Material >> To: rv-list@matronics.com >> Date: Saturday, November 22, 2008, 12:54 PM >> Robin, I used Ray Allen's wing walk material - very >> happy with it. >> >> http://www.rayallencompany.com/index.html >> >> Dave Burnham >> N64FN >> >> On Sat, Nov 22, 2008 at 10:34 AM, Robin Marks >> wrote: >> >> Marks" >> > >> > Dear List, >> > It's time to think about wing walk >> material. I could go with the >> > standard Vans RV-10 material or the (near) clear wing >> walk material >> > offered by ACS. Are there any other (good) options >> available that are >> > visually appealing and functional or does anyone have >> a preference on >> > one material over another? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > Robin >> > >> > RV-4 Sold >> > RV-6A 465 Hours >> > RV-10 30 hours >> > RV-8A Next >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > -- Sent from Google Mail for mobile | mobile.google.com ________________________________ Message 14 ____________________________________ Time: 02:55:05 PM PST US From: "Ed Anderson" Subject: RE: RV-List: Need info Jim, I'm not an A&P, so not certain what the correct answer to your question should be about using emery cloth. Ideally, the answer is to buy one of those very expensive "double flair" makers - it folds that ragged end under and gives you a smooth joint. No, I didn't spring for one either {:>) But, one thing you can to before you make the flare is to smooth the ends as much as possible after cutting them. Small cracks lead to bigger cracks when you flair. The second thing is that frequently ragged ends are caused by having too much tube length sticking out of the clamp for flaring, that leads to over stretching and ragged edges. No I don't know of the magic formula - but there probably is one somewhere. Personally, I feel if you smooth the end as much as you can, then only protrude the proper length of tubing for the flair, you can live with a small degree of roughness on the edge. The edge does not do the sealing that is done back down the throat, so while it may look a bit "ragged" it is likely to function just fine. Now don't ignore cracks that you can see are stretching down into the flair. Hopefully an A&P type out there will have a better answer. Ed Ed Anderson Rv-6A N494BW Rotary Powered Matthews, NC eanderson@carolina.rr.com http://www.andersonee.com http://members.cox.net/rogersda/rotary/configs.htm#N494BW http://www.dmack.net/mazda/index.html _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty Sent: Thursday, December 04, 2008 1:26 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Need info Dan, Your question was good, you now know the answer. I'm sure that all of the builders acquired this knowledge at some point, either by reading the manual, EAA Chapter Tech, a friend building a plane and/or A&P. Great, keep working on that plane, I'm sure you are doing a great job. Because of your post, I now know we need to be really careful when we flair our tubing, per Ed's post. On my own tubing I have always cleaned them a little with emery cloth. Ed, what do you think about using emery cloth on the flair? What do we do with the rough edge made by the flairing tool? Jim Fogarty RV9a building ----- Original Message ----- From: Terry Watson Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 11:22 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info Dan, Don't worry. Some people that know everything want to make sure you know that they know everything. But they don't seem to know where the delete key is. Terry From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of dan@rdan.com Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:51 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual? > By Robert These were comments directed to ME and my question regarding tubing flairs, I took them a being a "stupid question" something I should have know, or read about in the manual, I instantly went to the manual and yes,"Section 3, page 3-3 paragraph 6 does has a 31 word explanation that explains exactly what I asked , So why do I pay for this forum? because I want to learn to build and fly my airplane, by the way what is "Nedd info"? The closest I could find in my dictionary is Neddy -- donkey ! Dan, --- On Wed, 12/3/08, Dale Walter wrote: From: Dale Walter Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info Hi Jim, If you read carefully below you will see the comments are not mine. I agree with you. Below is a tongue in cheek; feeding Bert his own medicine. No hard feelings intended, only humor. Dale Happy Holidays to all Do not archive _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of JAMES BOWEN Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 9:09 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info Isn't the purpose of this list to help as many builders as possible? The dissemination of information to those who request it. It's kind of what builds this little community of ours. I thought the only dumb question was the one not asked............ Jim > From: dale1rv6@comcast.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RE: RV-List: Nedd info > Date: Wed, 3 Dec 2008 20:44:42 -0500 > dale1rv6@comcast.net > > > they should know better.. don't they ever read the instruction manual? > Robert > > I have always said: Ignorance and stupidity, are not the privilege,or > peopole on third world countries. It is abounding in the USA , not only on > people with no highschool education, but in the upper ladder, even the > President of the US , has shown stupidity many times... > > NO sense on trying to convince people, on something they already have > created in their minds to be true... is a waste of time. > > robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of bert murillo > Sent: Wednesday, December 03, 2008 8:26 PM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Nedd info > > > Hi: > > I need to buy one of the blocks I cannot remember the technical > name Hw...something, the white material block, that holds the > cannopy down, on the rear sides, for slider.. > > I know I can order it from Vans, but you what the cost will be... > I recently order a few bolts I needed, the total cost of the > items was $11.80..the so called shipping and Handling was almost > $10.00,,, a rip off.. > > Does any one knows where I can buy it, besides Van's?? > > I never understand , how the shipping cost you more than the items > you buy.... > > Thanks for any info on this... > > > Bert > > rv6a > > > > &======= > > > http://www.matronics.com/contribution http://www.matronics.com/contribution <> <> <> <> http://www.matronics.com/contribution <> <> <> <> http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List <> <> http://forums.matronics.com <> href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref "http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Naviga tor?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com _____ 12/4/2008 8:05 AM __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 3267 (20080714) __________ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. ________________________________ Message 15 ____________________________________ Time: 07:17:49 PM PST US From: "J Riffel" Subject: RV-List: IO-360-B Power Chart? Does ANYONE have (or know where I can find) a SIMPLE power chart for the Lycoming/Superior IO-360 B series engine? I need something that allows me to fill-in a chart similar to this For 55% 2300 2400 2500 RPM (99hp) map map map sea level nn.n nn.n nn.n 2K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n 4K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n ... For 65% 2300 2400 2500 RPM (117hp) map map map sea level nn.n nn.n nn.n 2K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n 4K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n ... For 75% 2300 2400 2500 RPM (135hp) map map map sea level nn.n nn.n nn.n 2K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n 4K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n ... I can read the the Goofy Lycoming Chart ("Figure 3-23 Sea Level and Altitude Performance - IO-360-B1A"). I've been studying it for DAYS. But I defy anyone to use that chart to tell me within 20 minutes what RPM, MAP to use at 5,000' to get 65% power. The chart is built to derive HP at an altitude if you know RPM and MP. Instead I need a table for my POH so I can run at a %HP if I've been assigned an altitude. I've sent messages to both Lycoming and Superior and they just think I can't read their table. Thanks in Advance. ________________________________ Message 16 ____________________________________ Time: 07:26:02 PM PST US From: Kelly McMullen Subject: Re: RV-List: IO-360-B Power Chart? Simple. Add MAP and rpm/100. total=50~75%, =47~65%, =44~55% These rule of thumb are accurate within 3% power, depending on installation. If you want to be conservative, use 49, 46 and 43. J Riffel wrote: > Does ANYONE have (or know where I can find) a SIMPLE power chart for > the Lycoming/Superior IO-360 B series engine? > I need something that allows me to fill-in a chart similar to this > > For 55% 2300 2400 2500 RPM > (99hp) map map map > sea level nn.n nn.n nn.n > 2K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n > 4K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n > ... > > For 65% 2300 2400 2500 RPM > (117hp) map map map > sea level nn.n nn.n nn.n > 2K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n > 4K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n > ... > > For 75% 2300 2400 2500 RPM > (135hp) map map map > sea level nn.n nn.n nn.n > 2K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n > 4K ft nn.n nn.n nn.n > ... > > I can read the the Goofy Lycoming Chart ("Figure 3-23 Sea Level and > Altitude Performance - IO-360-B1A"). I've been studying it for DAYS. > But I defy anyone to use that chart to tell me within 20 minutes what > RPM, MAP to use at 5,000' to get 65% power. The chart is built to > derive HP at an altitude if you know RPM and MP. Instead I need a > table for my POH so I can run at a %HP if I've been assigned an > altitude. I've sent messages to both Lycoming and Superior and they > just think I can't read their table. > > Thanks in Advance. > * > > * ________________________________ Message 17 ____________________________________ Time: 08:19:20 PM PST US From: Vanremog@aol.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Need info Another thing builders often do without thinking is to use those sharp whee l tube cutters that work harden the end of the tubing, try to flair this area and end up with cracks. You can use this type of cutter but you are going to have to cut the tubing slightly greater than final size and then file off the hardened alloy to get down to the dead soft material. This is akin to Van's instructions to redrill to size the mechanically punched holes in ski ns in order to remove the slight area of work hardened material. N1GV (RV-6A, Flying 908hrs, O-360-A1A, C/S, Silicon Valley) In a message dated 12/4/2008 2:56:54 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, eanderson@carolina.rr.com writes: Jim, I=99m not an A&P, so not certain what the correct answer to your question should be about using emery cloth. Ideally, the answer is to buy one of those very expensive =9Cdouble flair=9D makers =93 it fol ds that ragged end under and gives you a smooth joint. No, I didn=99t spring for one either {:>) But, one thing you can to before you make the flare is to smooth the ends a s much as possible after cutting them. Small cracks lead to bigger cracks when you flair. The second thing is that frequently ragged ends are caused by having too much tube length sticking out of the clamp for flaring, that lead s to over stretching and ragged edges. No I don=99t know of the magic formula =93 but there probably is one somewhere. **************Make your life easier with all your friends, email, and favorite sites in one place. 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