RV-List Digest Archive

Wed 12/10/08


Total Messages Posted: 12



Today's Message Index:
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     1. 04:27 AM - Re: AE FPS-Plus Help Wanted (RV Builder (Michael Sausen))
     2. 04:18 PM - Re: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND (Ulrich Wiedmann)
     3. 05:57 PM - Re: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND (Kevin Horton)
     4. 06:03 PM - Re: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND (Kevin Horton)
     5. 06:38 PM - 1st Flight Test Plan? (J Riffel)
     6. 08:00 PM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (HCRV6@comcast.net)
     7. 08:17 PM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (Kelly McMullen)
     8. 08:22 PM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (scott bilinski)
     9. 08:34 PM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (Ron Lee)
    10. 08:34 PM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (Sam Buchanan)
    11. 08:43 PM - Re: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND (John Brick)
    12. 08:49 PM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (Ron Lee)
 
 
 


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    Time: 04:27:57 AM PST US
    From: "RV Builder (Michael Sausen)" <rvbuilder@sausen.net>
    Subject: AE FPS-Plus Help Wanted
    Bob, You can find all the documentation on their website. http://www.aircraftextras.com/FPS-Plus.htm Michael Sausen -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Bob Perkinson Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 8:12 PM Subject: RV-List: AE FPS-Plus Help Wanted I recently obtained, second-handedly, an Aircraft Extras FPS-Plus (One of the Earlier Flap Position modules). The seller didnt have the Users manual so I am asking if anyone out there has an electronic copy of the Users Manual, or detailed operating instructions for this controller that they could send me. Any and all help is appreciated. Bob Perkinson RV-9


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    Time: 04:18:55 PM PST US
    From: "Ulrich Wiedmann" <uw_matronics@wiedmann.org>
    Subject: Re: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND
    The 65% on the chart is rated fuel flow (and power), not a throttle setting. As your altitude increases, you're going to be increasing your throttle setting to maintain 65% fuel flow at 2100 rpm, eventually reaching FT at 8000 feet. Above 8000 feet, you will no longer be able to maintain 65% fuel flow/power at 2100 rpm. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM, John Brick <jebrick@comcast.net> wrote: > > At 65% and 2100 rpm, power stays constant while climbing at FT. Seems to > contradict Kevin Horton. Is the chart correct? > > > Fuel and Power Chart - Lycoming Model IO-360-B1B, -B1D, -B1E, -E1A, - B1A > Press. Alt. 1000 Ft Std. Alt. Temp. Fo 99 Hp - 55% Rated Fuel Flow > 45 Lb/Hr > RPM & MAP 117 HP - 65% Rated Fuel Flow 50 Lb/Hr RPM & MAP 135 > HP-75%Rated > Fuel Flow 60 Lb/Hr RPM & MAP > 2100 2200 2300 2400 2100 2200 2300 2400 > 2200 2300 2400 > SL 59 21.2 20.7 20.2 19.7 24.0 23.4 22.8 > 22.2 26.0 25.4 24.7 > 1 55 21.0 20.5 20.0 19.5 23.8 23.2 22.5 > 22.0 25.8 25.1 24.5 > 2 52 20.7 20.3 19.7 19.3 23.5 22.9 22.3 > 21.8 25.5 24.8 24.2 > 3 48 20.5 20.0 19.5 19.1 23.2 22.7 22.0 > 21.5 25.3 24.6 24.0 > 4 45 20.3 19.8 19.3 18.9 23.0 22.5 21.8 > 21.3 25.1 24.3 23.8 > 5 41 20.0 19.6 19.1 18.6 22.7 22.2 21.6 > 21.1 FT 24.1 23.5 > 6 38 19.8 19.4 18.9 18.4 22.5 22.0 21.3 > 20.9 FT 23.3 > 7 34 19.6 19.2 18.7 18.2 22.0 21.8 21.1 > 20.7 FT > 8 31 19.3 18.9 18.4 18.0 FT 21.5 20.9 > 20.5 > 9 27 19.1 18.6 18.3 17.8 17.4 FT > 10 23 18.9 18.4 18.1 17.6 17.2 > 11 19 18.6 FT 17.8 17.4 17.0 > 12 16 18.4 FT 17.1 16.8 > 13 12 FT > To Maintain constant power, correct manifold pressure approximately > 0.17"hg. > For each 10F variation in carburetor air temperature from standard altitude > temperature. Add manifold pressure for air temperatures above standard; > subtract for temperatures below standard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Horton > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:30 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND > > > Pretty much any aircraft piston engine power chart shows that the > power does increase with altitude, IF the manifold pressure and rpm > are constant. But, if you have full throttle, the manifold pressure > will decrease with altitude, and thus the power will decrease. > > Kevin Horton > >


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    Time: 05:57:50 PM PST US
    From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND
    I you believe the temperature correction that Lycoming describes on their power charts, then the colder temperature only explains about 20% of the hp increase with altitude. For example, consider 2500 rpm and 23" MP, using Lycoming curve 10350A for the O-360-A series engines (note that the current Lycoming Operators Manual has a newer power chart, which gives slightly different results, but I don't have that one at hand tonight). sea level, std temperature (15 deg C): 131 hp 5000 ft, std temperature (5.1 deg C): 141 hp 5000 ft, 15 deg C: 139 hp I get similar results using Lycoming curve 12700-A for the IO-360-A series engines. Kevin Horton Ulrich Wiedmann wrote: > Note that the tables are given for standard temperature: meaning at higher > altitudes the temperature is lower. Same manifold pressure + lower > temperature = more air. This is probably the main factor in increased power > at altitude. > > Lower pumping losses (because maintaining a given manifold pressure at a > higher altitude requires a more open throttle) contribute. > > On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 3:29 AM, Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com> wrote: > > >> >> Pretty much any aircraft piston engine power chart shows that the power >> does increase with altitude, IF the manifold pressure and rpm are constant. >> But, if you have full throttle, the manifold pressure will decrease with >> altitude, and thus the power will decrease. >> >> Kevin Horton >> >> >> On 8-Dec-08, at 11:21 , John Jessen wrote: >> >> Power increase as you go higher? I'm confused (which is normal). >> >>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >>> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Jack Hilditch >>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 8:04 AM >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: RE: RV-List: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND >>> >>> You might want to have a look at this URL: >>> >>> http://3limafoxtrot.com/doc/PercentPowerEntriesO360A.pdf >>> >>> >>> Jack Hilditch >>> RV-9A project >>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >>> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of Kelly McMullen >>> Sent: Monday, December 08, 2008 10:27 AM >>> To: rv-list@matronics.com >>> Subject: Re: RV-List: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND >>> >>> Should be almost identical, since both engines have the same cylinders and >>> power ratings. >>> >>> Tim Bryan wrote: >>> And so if they are still lurking, I would love to have this chart for the >>> O-360-A1A. >>> >>> Tim Bryan >>> RV-6 Flying >>> N616TB over 120 hours now >>> >>> From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto: >>> owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J Riffel >>> Sent: Saturday, December 06, 2008 8:34 AM >>> To: rv-list >>> Subject: RV-List: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND >>> >>> A kind sole at Lycoming saw the RV post and sent this - which is EXACTLY >>> what I was looking for. So I thought I'd share: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> -- >> Kevin Horton >> Ottawa, Canada >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (Grounded) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8


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    Time: 06:03:02 PM PST US
    From: Kevin Horton <khorton01@rogers.com>
    Subject: Re: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND
    Actually, for a constant power of 65%, at 2100 rpm, the chart below shows that you need less MP as you climb. At sea level, you need 24.0 inches, and at 7000 ft you only need 22.0 inches of MP. This means that if you adjusted the throttle to keep MP constant as you climbed, the power would increase. It confirms what I have been saying. Kevin Horton John Brick wrote: > > At 65% and 2100 rpm, power stays constant while climbing at FT. Seems to > contradict Kevin Horton. Is the chart correct? > > > Fuel and Power Chart - Lycoming Model IO-360-B1B, -B1D, -B1E, -E1A, - B1A > Press. Alt. 1000 Ft Std. Alt. Temp. Fo 99 Hp - 55% Rated Fuel Flow 45 Lb/Hr > RPM & MAP 117 HP - 65% Rated Fuel Flow 50 Lb/Hr RPM & MAP 135 HP-75%Rated > Fuel Flow 60 Lb/Hr RPM & MAP > 2100 2200 2300 2400 2100 2200 2300 2400 2200 2300 2400 > SL 59 21.2 20.7 20.2 19.7 24.0 23.4 22.8 22.2 26.0 25.4 24.7 > 1 55 21.0 20.5 20.0 19.5 23.8 23.2 22.5 22.0 25.8 25.1 24.5 > 2 52 20.7 20.3 19.7 19.3 23.5 22.9 22.3 21.8 25.5 24.8 24.2 > 3 48 20.5 20.0 19.5 19.1 23.2 22.7 22.0 21.5 25.3 24.6 24.0 > 4 45 20.3 19.8 19.3 18.9 23.0 22.5 21.8 21.3 25.1 24.3 23.8 > 5 41 20.0 19.6 19.1 18.6 22.7 22.2 21.6 21.1 FT 24.1 23.5 > 6 38 19.8 19.4 18.9 18.4 22.5 22.0 21.3 20.9 FT 23.3 > 7 34 19.6 19.2 18.7 18.2 22.0 21.8 21.1 20.7 FT > 8 31 19.3 18.9 18.4 18.0 FT 21.5 20.9 20.5 > 9 27 19.1 18.6 18.3 17.8 17.4 FT > 10 23 18.9 18.4 18.1 17.6 17.2 > 11 19 18.6 FT 17.8 17.4 17.0 > 12 16 18.4 FT 17.1 16.8 > 13 12 FT > To Maintain constant power, correct manifold pressure approximately 0.17"hg. > For each 10F variation in carburetor air temperature from standard altitude > temperature. Add manifold pressure for air temperatures above standard; > subtract for temperatures below standard > > > -----Original Message----- > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Kevin Horton > Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2008 3:30 AM > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: Re: RV-List: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND > > > Pretty much any aircraft piston engine power chart shows that the > power does increase with altitude, IF the manifold pressure and rpm > are constant. But, if you have full throttle, the manifold pressure > will decrease with altitude, and thus the power will decrease. > > Kevin Horton > > -- Kevin Horton RV-8 (Grounded) Ottawa, Canada http://www.kilohotel.com/rv8


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    Time: 06:38:25 PM PST US
    From: "J Riffel" <riffeljl@gmail.com>
    Subject: 1st Flight Test Plan?
    I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight: ____________________ 1. *Ground* 1. Equipment: 1. Fire extinguisher 2. Hatchet 3. Knife 4. Gloves 5. Phillips screwdriver 2. monitor freq: *122.85* 3. *Record Launch Time: __________________________________* 4. Prompt/record: *Elapsed* *Oil Press* *Oil Temp* *EGT1* *EGT2* *EGT3* *EGT4* *CHT1* *CHT2* *CHT3* *CHT4* *2 min* *5 min* *10 min* *15 min* *20 min* *25 min* *30 min* 5. *IF CHT => 400=B0F, advise LANDING* 6. *30 Minutes* 1. Prompt for 1. RPM: ______________ 2. MAP: ______________ 3. AIRSPEED: _________ 2. Remind to LAND 7. *Record Landing Time: _______________* 8. IF CRASH: 1. Dial 911 & give location 2. *Save Pilot ' aircraft is secondary* 3. Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher 4. Canopy latch rotates *CLOCKWISE* to OPEN 5. *MASTER OFF (lower left panel)* 6. *Fuel Selector: (center, front of spar)* 1. *OFF (aft left)* 7. Seat belts: P*ULL FLAP* 8. Shoulder Harness: *PULL TABS* to LOOSEN 9. Cowl: 1. Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall 2. Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl halves 10. Battery located on pilot side firewall 2. *Chase* 1. Monitor *122.85* 2. Com check: Ground/TestFlight 3. Depart first; take station *EAST *of runway 4. Take up =BD mile trail 5. Check Fluids/Flapping Parts 6. *If TestFlight rocks wings:* 1. Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges 2. Fly under to left wing, then over top to right wing 3. Signal TestFlight: 1. OK: Thumbsup 2. Problems: cut Throat to land 7. *Emergencies:* 1. Com Failure: 1. Come up on right wing 2. Point to Ears 2. Parts/Fluid/fire: 1. Come up on right wing 2. Cut Throat to indicate landing 3. Remind pilot: 1. *Master Off* 2. *FUEL OFF* 3. Canopy Unlatched ' but closed 3. Crash: 1. Tell Ground location 2. Circle till Ground arrives 3. *TestFlight* 1. Equipment: 1. Fire extinguisher 2. Hatchet 3. Knife 2. Com:* 122.85* 3. Com Check: Ground/Chase 4. Ensure EIS configuration set for oil temp 5. Retest Brakes on taxi/runup 6. Depart after Chase 7. TAKEOFF: 1. FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine) 2. 70-75% power 1. 3000', 2400/24" 8. Verify Airspeed registering 9. Boost Pump Off 10. Orbit, traffic pattern direction, =BD mile radius of airport 11. *IF CHT => 400=B0F, LAND* 12. Tasks 1. Straight & Level: 1. Both trims in neutral 2. Record vsi/roll: _____________________________________________________ 3. Adjust for level 2. Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 3. Check w/ Chase that area is clear 4. Stall 1. Slow to mushy controls/buffet 2. Airspeed: _________ 3. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 4. Flaps: 20% (two marks) 5. Airspeed: _________ 6. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 7. Flaps: FULL 8. Airspeed: _________ 9. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 5. Airspeed Check: 1. Setup Airspeed to 120 kts 2. Call Chase to right side 3. Compare airspeeds with Chase 6. Land 1. Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?) 2. Base: 20=B0 flaps 3. Stay on mains if possible 13. *Signals:* 1. *Ears:* com failure 2. *Cut Throat:* Land 3. *Rock Wings:* Chase come up to look over TestFlight


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    Time: 08:00:39 PM PST US
    From: HCRV6@comcast.net
    Subject: Re: 1st Flight Test Plan?
    In my experience if your engine is new or newly overhauled your 400 Deg lim it for CHT on the first flight is overly conservative. On my first flight w ith a new O-360 from Van's the CHT's, which now approach 400 deg only in a hot day full power climb at near gross, went over 400 deg on the initial cl imb out. Since Lycoming sets 450 deg as the NTE if I recall correctly, you can safely use that temp as your limit. Just my opinion . Harry Crosby RV-6 N16CX, 530 hours ----- Original Message ----- From: "J Riffel" <riffeljl@gmail.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:37:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific Subject: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight: ____________________ 1. Ground 1. Equipment: 1. Fire extinguisher 2. Hatchet 3. Knife 4. Gloves 5. Phillips screwdriver 2. monitor freq: 122.85 3. Record Launch Time: __________________________________ 4. Prompt/record: Elapsed Oil Press Oil Temp EGT1 EGT2 EGT3 EGT4 CHT1 CHT2 CHT3 CHT4 2 min 5 min 10 min 15 min 20 min 25 min 30 min 5. IF CHT => 400 =C2=B0F, advise LANDING 6. 30 Minutes 1. Prompt for 1. RPM: ______________ 2. MAP: ______________ 3. AIRSPEED: _________ 2. Remind to LAND 7. Record Landing Time: _______________ 8. IF CRASH: 1. Dial 911 & give location 2. Save Pilot =93 aircraft is secondary 3. Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher 4. Canopy latch rotates CLOCKWISE to OPEN 5. MASTER OFF (lower left panel) 6. Fuel Selector: (center, front of spar) 1. OFF (aft left) 7. Seat belts: P ULL FLAP 8. Shoulder Harness: PULL TABS to LOOSEN 9. Cowl: 1. Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall 2. Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl halves 10. Battery located on pilot side firewall 2. Chase 1. Monitor 122.85 2. Com check: Ground/TestFlight 3. Depart first; take station EAST of runway 4. Take up =C2=BD mile trail 5. Check Fluids/Flapping Parts 6. If TestFlight rocks wings: 1. Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges 2. Fly under to left wing, then over top to right wing 3. Signal TestFlight: 1. OK: Thumbsup 2. Problems: cut Throat to land 7. Emergencies: 1. Com Failure: 1. Come up on right wing 2. Point to Ears 2. Parts/Fluid/fire: 1. Come up on right wing 2. Cut Throat to indicate landing 3. Remind pilot: 1. Master Off 2. FUEL OFF 3. Canopy Unlatched =93 but closed 3. Crash: 1. Tell Ground location 2. Circle till Ground arrives 3. TestFlight 1. Equipment: 1. Fire extinguisher 2. Hatchet 3. Knife 2. Com: 122.85 3. Com Check: Ground/Chase 4. Ensure EIS configuration set for oil temp 5. Retest Brakes on taxi/runup 6. Depart after Chase 7. TAKEOFF: 1. FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine) 2. 70-75% power 1. 3000', 2400/24" 8. Verify Airspeed registering 9. Boost Pump Off 10. Orbit, traffic pattern direction, =C2=BD mile radius of airport 11. IF CHT => 400 =C2=B0F, LAND 12. Tasks 1. Straight & Level: 1. Both trims in neutral 2. Record vsi/roll: _____________________________________________________ 3. Adjust for level 2. Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 3. Check w/ Chase that area is clear 4. Stall 1. Slow to mushy controls/buffet 2. Airspeed: _________ 3. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 4. Flaps: 20% (two marks) 5. Airspeed: _________ 6. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 7. Flaps: FULL 8. Airspeed: _________ 9. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 5. Airspeed Check: 1. Setup Airspeed to 120 kts 2. Call Chase to right side 3. Compare airspeeds with Chase 6. Land 1. Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?) 2. Base: 20=C2=B0 flaps 3. Stay on mains if possible 13. Signals: 1. Ears: com failure 2. Cut Throat: Land 3. Rock Wings: Chase come up to look over TestFlight


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    Time: 08:17:48 PM PST US
    From: Kelly McMullen <kellym@aviating.com>
    Subject: Re: 1st Flight Test Plan?
    IMHO, 400 degrees should be a take action point, either add airspeed, fuel or reduce power, as appropriate to the situation. I would use 425 as a never exceed limit, as metal deformation can occur above that. Lycoming's numbers are WAY too hot if you want your cylinders and rings to survive. This time of year there shouldn't be any problem staying below 400. Initial climb out should be as flat and fast as terrain and obstacles permit for max cooling during first high power run. Kelly McMullen A&P/IA Tech Counselor HCRV6@comcast.net wrote: > In my experience if your engine is new or newly overhauled your 400 > Deg limit for CHT on the first flight is overly conservative. On my > first flight with a new O-360 from Van's the CHT's, which now approach > 400 deg only in a hot day full power climb at near gross, went over > 400 deg on the initial climb out. Since Lycoming sets 450 deg as the > NTE if I recall correctly, you can safely use that temp as your > limit. Just my opinion. > > Harry Crosby > RV-6 N16CX, 530 hours > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "J Riffel" <riffeljl@gmail.com> > To: "rv-list" <rv-list@matronics.com> > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:37:44 PM GMT -08:00 US/Canada Pacific > Subject: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? > > I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight: > > ____________________ > > > 1. > > *Ground* > > 1. > > Equipment: > > 1. > > Fire extinguisher > > 2. > > Hatchet > > 3. > > Knife > > 4. > > Gloves > > 5. > > Phillips screwdriver > > 2. > > monitor freq: *122.85* > > 3. > > *Record Launch Time: __________________________________* > > 4. > > Prompt/record: > > *Elapsed* > > > > *Oil Press* > > > > *Oil Temp* > > > > *EGT1* > > > > *EGT2* > > > > *EGT3* > > > > *EGT4* > > > > *CHT1* > > > > *CHT2* > > > > *CHT3* > > > > *CHT4* > > *2 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *5 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *10 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *15 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *20 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *25 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *30 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. > > *IF CHT => 400F, advise LANDING* > > 6. > > *30 Minutes* > > 1. > > Prompt for > > 1. > > RPM: ______________ > > 2. > > MAP: ______________ > > 3. > > AIRSPEED: _________ > > 2. > > Remind to LAND > > 7. > > *Record Landing Time: _______________* > > 8. > > IF CRASH: > > 1. > > Dial 911 & give location > > 2. > > *Save Pilot aircraft is secondary* > > 3. > > Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher > > 4. > > Canopy latch rotates *CLOCKWISE* to OPEN > > 5. > > *MASTER OFF (lower left panel)* > > 6. > > *Fuel Selector: (center, front of spar)* > > 1. > > *OFF (aft left)* > > 7. > > Seat belts: P*ULL FLAP* > > 8. > > Shoulder Harness: *PULL TABS* to LOOSEN > > 9. > > Cowl: > > 1. > > Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall > > 2. > > Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl > halves > > 10. > > Battery located on pilot side firewall > > 2. > > *Chase* > > 1. > > Monitor *122.85* > > 2. > > Com check: Ground/TestFlight > > 3. > > Depart first; take station *EAST *of runway > > 4. > > Take up mile trail > > 5. > > Check Fluids/Flapping Parts > > 6. > > *If TestFlight rocks wings:* > > 1. > > Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges > > 2. > > Fly under to left wing, then over top to right wing > > 3. > > Signal TestFlight: > > 1. > > OK: Thumbsup > > 2. > > Problems: cut Throat to land > > 7. > > *Emergencies:* > > 1. > > Com Failure: > > 1. > > Come up on right wing > > 2. > > Point to Ears > > 2. > > Parts/Fluid/fire: > > 1. > > Come up on right wing > > 2. > > Cut Throat to indicate landing > > 3. > > Remind pilot: > > 1. > > *Master Off* > > 2. > > *FUEL OFF* > > 3. > > Canopy Unlatched but closed > > 3. > > Crash: > > 1. > > Tell Ground location > > 2. > > Circle till Ground arrives > > 3. > > *TestFlight* > > 1. > > Equipment: > > 1. > > Fire extinguisher > > 2. > > Hatchet > > 3. > > Knife > > 2. > > Com:* 122.85* > > 3. > > Com Check: Ground/Chase > > 4. > > Ensure EIS configuration set for oil temp > > 5. > > Retest Brakes on taxi/runup > > 6. > > Depart after Chase > > 7. > > TAKEOFF: > > 1. > > FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine) > > 2. > > 70-75% power > > 1. > > 3000', 2400/24" > > 8. > > Verify Airspeed registering > > 9. > > Boost Pump Off > > 10. > > Orbit, traffic pattern direction, mile radius of airport > > 11. > > *IF CHT => 400F, LAND* > > 12. > > Tasks > > 1. > > Straight & Level: > > 1. > > Both trims in neutral > > 2. > > Record vsi/roll: > _____________________________________________________ > > 3. > > Adjust for level > > 2. > > Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > > 3. > > Check w/ Chase that area is clear > > 4. > > Stall > > 1. > > Slow to mushy controls/buffet > > 2. > > Airspeed: _________ > > 3. > > Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > > 4. > > Flaps: 20% (two marks) > > 5. > > Airspeed: _________ > > 6. > > Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > > 7. > > Flaps: FULL > > 8. > > Airspeed: _________ > > 9. > > Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > > 5. > > Airspeed Check: > > 1. > > Setup Airspeed to 120 kts > > 2. > > Call Chase to right side > > 3. > > Compare airspeeds with Chase > > 6. > > Land > > 1. > > Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?) > > 2. > > Base: 20 flaps > > 3. > > Stay on mains if possible > > 13. > > *Signals:* > > 1. > > *Ears:* com failure > > 2. > > *Cut Throat:* Land > > 3. > > *Rock Wings:* Chase come up to look over TestFlight > > * > > _blank">http://www.matronics.com/contribution > t="_blank">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > tp://forums.matronics.com > * > * > > *


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    Time: 08:22:05 PM PST US
    From: scott bilinski <rv8a2001@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: 1st Flight Test Plan?
    My personal opinion, and I know people will disagree....... that is WAY to much to be concerned about on your first flight, you should be doing nothin g more than flying the plane and monitoring temps. Scope out off field land ing places prior to flight but then again why would you fly further than gl iding distance from the field.........=0Aso just fly 2o minutes, land, chec k for leaks, celebrate and then ease into the below. I do like the "chase" portion though.=0A=0AThe first flight will be exciting enough with out havi ng a check list a mile long to deal with..........unless of course your a f ormer test pilot.........my comments above are for Joe average pilot.=0A=0A Scott =0ARV-8a=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A=0A________________________________=0AFrom: J Riffel <riffeljl@gmail.com>=0ATo: rv-list <rv-list@matronics.com>=0ASent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 6:37:44 PM=0ASubject: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan?=0A=0A=0AI'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight:=0A =0A____________________=0A =0A1. Ground=0A1. Equipment: =0A1. Fire extinguisher=0A2. Hatchet=0A3. Knife=0A4. Gloves=0A 5. Phillips screwdriver=0A2. monitor freq: 122.85=0A3. Record Laun ch Time: __________________________________=0A4. Prompt/record:=0AElapse d Oil Press Oil Temp EGT1 EGT2 EGT3 EGT4 CHT1 CHT2 CHT3 CHT4 =0A2 min =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A5 min =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A10 min =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A15 min =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A20 min =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A25 min =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A30 min =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A =0A5. IF CHT => 400=B0F, advise L ANDING=0A6. 30 Minutes=0A1. Prompt for =0A1. RPM: ______________ =0A2. MAP: ______________=0A3. AIRSPEED: _________=0A2. Remind to LAND=0A7. Record Landing Time: _______________=0A8. IF CRASH:=0A1. Dial 911 & give location=0A2. Save Pilot ' aircraft is secondary=0A 3. Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher=0A4. Canopy latch rotate s CLOCKWISE to OPEN=0A5. MASTER OFF (lower left panel)=0A6. Fuel Sele ctor: (center, front of spar)=0A1. OFF (aft left)=0A7. Seat belts: PU LL FLAP=0A8. Shoulder Harness: PULL TABS to LOOSEN=0A9. Cowl:=0A1. Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall=0A2. Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl halves=0A10. Battery located on pilot side fire wall=0A2. Chase=0A1. Monitor 122.85=0A2. Com check: Ground/TestFli ght=0A3. Depart first; take station EAST of runway=0A4. Take up =BD m ile trail =0A5. Check Fluids/Flapping Parts=0A6. If TestFlight rocks wings:=0A1. Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges=0A2. F ly under to left wing, then over top to right wing=0A3. Signal TestFligh t:=0A1. OK: Thumbsup=0A2. Problems: cut Throat to land=0A7. Emerge ncies:=0A1. Com Failure:=0A1. Come up on right wing =0A2. Point to Ears=0A2. Parts/Fluid/fire:=0A1. Come up on right wing=0A2. Cut T hroat to indicate landing =0A3. Remind pilot: =0A1. Master Off=0A2 . FUEL OFF=0A3. Canopy Unlatched ' but closed=0A3. Crash:=0A1. T ell Ground location=0A2. Circle till Ground arrives=0A3. TestFlight =0A1. Equipment:=0A1. Fire extinguisher=0A2. Hatchet=0A3. Knife =0A2. Com:122.85=0A3. Com Check: Ground/Chase=0A4. Ensure EIS conf iguration set for oil temp=0A5. Retest Brakes on taxi/runup=0A6. Depa rt after Chase=0A7. TAKEOFF:=0A1. FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine)=0A2. 70-75% power =0A1. 3000', 2400/24"=0A8. Verif y Airspeed registering=0A9. Boost Pump Off=0A10. Orbit, traffic patte rn direction, =BD mile radius of airport =0A11. IF CHT => 400=B0F, LAN D=0A12. Tasks=0A1. Straight & Level: =0A1. Both trims in neutral =0A2. Record vsi/roll: _________________________________________________ ____=0A3. Adjust for level=0A2. Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs=0A3 . Check w/ Chase that area is clear=0A4. Stall=0A1. Slow to mushy con trols/buffet=0A2. Airspeed: _________=0A3. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs =0A4. Flaps: 20% (two marks)=0A5. Airspeed: _________=0A6. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs=0A7. Flaps: FULL=0A8. Airspeed: _________=0A9. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs=0A5. Airspeed Check:=0A1. Setup Airspeed to 120 kts=0A2. Call Chase to right side=0A3. Compare airspeeds with Ch ase=0A6. Land=0A1. Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?)=0A 2. Base: 20=B0 flaps=0A3. Stay on mains if possible=0A13. Signals:=0A 1. Ears: com failure=0A2. Cut Throat: Land=0A3. Rock Wings: Chase =========================0A -======================== ============0A=0A=0A=0A


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    Time: 08:34:39 PM PST US
    From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: Re: 1st Flight Test Plan?
    Hopefully someone else will record all that data. Not the test pilot. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: J Riffel To: rv-list Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight: ____________________ 1.. Ground 1.. Equipment: 1.. Fire extinguisher 2.. Hatchet 3.. Knife 4.. Gloves 5.. Phillips screwdriver 2.. monitor freq: 122.85 3.. Record Launch Time: __________________________________ 4.. Prompt/record: Elapsed Oil Press Oil Temp EGT1 EGT2 EGT3 EGT4 CHT1 CHT2 CHT3 CHT4 2 min 5 min 10 min 15 min 20 min 25 min 30 min 5.. IF CHT => 400=B0F, advise LANDING 6.. 30 Minutes 1.. Prompt for 1.. RPM: ______________ 2.. MAP: ______________ 3.. AIRSPEED: _________ 2.. Remind to LAND 7.. Record Landing Time: _______________ 8.. IF CRASH: 1.. Dial 911 & give location 2.. Save Pilot ' aircraft is secondary 3.. Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher 4.. Canopy latch rotates CLOCKWISE to OPEN 5.. MASTER OFF (lower left panel) 6.. Fuel Selector: (center, front of spar) 1.. OFF (aft left) 7.. Seat belts: PULL FLAP 8.. Shoulder Harness: PULL TABS to LOOSEN 9.. Cowl: 1.. Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall 2.. Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl halves 10.. Battery located on pilot side firewall 2.. Chase 1.. Monitor 122.85 2.. Com check: Ground/TestFlight 3.. Depart first; take station EAST of runway 4.. Take up =BD mile trail 5.. Check Fluids/Flapping Parts 6.. If TestFlight rocks wings: 1.. Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges 2.. Fly under to left wing, then over top to right wing 3.. Signal TestFlight: 1.. OK: Thumbsup 2.. Problems: cut Throat to land 7.. Emergencies: 1.. Com Failure: 1.. Come up on right wing 2.. Point to Ears 2.. Parts/Fluid/fire: 1.. Come up on right wing 2.. Cut Throat to indicate landing 3.. Remind pilot: 1.. Master Off 2.. FUEL OFF 3.. Canopy Unlatched ' but closed 3.. Crash: 1.. Tell Ground location 2.. Circle till Ground arrives 3.. TestFlight 1.. Equipment: 1.. Fire extinguisher 2.. Hatchet 3.. Knife 2.. Com: 122.85 3.. Com Check: Ground/Chase 4.. Ensure EIS configuration set for oil temp 5.. Retest Brakes on taxi/runup 6.. Depart after Chase 7.. TAKEOFF: 1.. FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine) 2.. 70-75% power 1.. 3000', 2400/24" 8.. Verify Airspeed registering 9.. Boost Pump Off 10.. Orbit, traffic pattern direction, =BD mile radius of airport 11.. IF CHT => 400=B0F, LAND 12.. Tasks 1.. Straight & Level: 1.. Both trims in neutral 2.. Record vsi/roll: _____________________________________________________ 3.. Adjust for level 2.. Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 3.. Check w/ Chase that area is clear 4.. Stall 1.. Slow to mushy controls/buffet 2.. Airspeed: _________ 3.. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 4.. Flaps: 20% (two marks) 5.. Airspeed: _________ 6.. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 7.. Flaps: FULL 8.. Airspeed: _________ 9.. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 5.. Airspeed Check: 1.. Setup Airspeed to 120 kts 2.. Call Chase to right side 3.. Compare airspeeds with Chase 6.. Land 1.. Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?) 2.. Base: 20=B0 flaps 3.. Stay on mains if possible 13.. Signals: 1.. Ears: com failure 2.. Cut Throat: Land 3.. Rock Wings: Chase come up to look over TestFlight


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    Time: 08:34:50 PM PST US
    From: Sam Buchanan <sbuc@hiwaay.net>
    Subject: Re: 1st Flight Test Plan?
    Wow! I've been flying my RV-6 for 900 hrs and don't think I'd have the presence of mind to punch half the stuff on that list. :-) Sam Buchanan http://thervjournal.com ================== J Riffel wrote: > I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight: > > ____________________ > > > 1. > > *Ground* > 1. > > Equipment: > 1. > > Fire extinguisher > 2. > > Hatchet > 3. > > Knife > 4. > > Gloves > 5. > > Phillips screwdriver > 2. > > monitor freq: *122.85* > 3. > > *Record Launch Time: __________________________________* > 4. > > Prompt/record: > > *Elapsed* > > *Oil Press* > > *Oil Temp* > > *EGT1* > > *EGT2* > > *EGT3* > > *EGT4* > > *CHT1* > > *CHT2* > > *CHT3* > > *CHT4* > > *2 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > *5 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > *10 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > *15 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > *20 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > *25 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > *30 min* > > > > > > > > > > > > 5. > > *IF CHT => 400F, advise LANDING* > 6. > > *30 Minutes* > 1. > > Prompt for > 1. > > RPM: ______________ > 2. > > MAP: ______________ > 3. > > AIRSPEED: _________ > 2. > > Remind to LAND > 7. > > *Record Landing Time: _______________* > 8. > > IF CRASH: > 1. > > Dial 911 & give location > 2. > > *Save Pilot aircraft is secondary* > 3. > > Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher > 4. > > Canopy latch rotates *CLOCKWISE* to OPEN > 5. > > *MASTER OFF (lower left panel)* > 6. > > *Fuel Selector: (center, front of spar)* > 1. > > *OFF (aft left)* > 7. > > Seat belts: P*ULL FLAP* > 8. > > Shoulder Harness: *PULL TABS* to LOOSEN > 9. > > Cowl: > 1. > > Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall > 2. > > Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl halves > 10. > > Battery located on pilot side firewall > 2. > > *Chase* > 1. > > Monitor *122.85* > 2. > > Com check: Ground/TestFlight > 3. > > Depart first; take station *EAST *of runway > 4. > > Take up mile trail > 5. > > Check Fluids/Flapping Parts > 6. > > *If TestFlight rocks wings:* > 1. > > Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges > 2. > > Fly under to left wing, then over top to right wing > 3. > > Signal TestFlight: > 1. > > OK: Thumbsup > 2. > > Problems: cut Throat to land > 7. > > *Emergencies:* > 1. > > Com Failure: > 1. > > Come up on right wing > 2. > > Point to Ears > 2. > > Parts/Fluid/fire: > 1. > > Come up on right wing > 2. > > Cut Throat to indicate landing > 3. > > Remind pilot: > 1. > > *Master Off* > 2. > > *FUEL OFF* > 3. > > Canopy Unlatched but closed > 3. > > Crash: > 1. > > Tell Ground location > 2. > > Circle till Ground arrives > 3. > > *TestFlight* > 1. > > Equipment: > 1. > > Fire extinguisher > 2. > > Hatchet > 3. > > Knife > 2. > > Com:* 122.85* > 3. > > Com Check: Ground/Chase > 4. > > Ensure EIS configuration set for oil temp > 5. > > Retest Brakes on taxi/runup > 6. > > Depart after Chase > 7. > > TAKEOFF: > 1. > > FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine) > 2. > > 70-75% power > 1. > > 3000', 2400/24" > 8. > > Verify Airspeed registering > 9. > > Boost Pump Off > 10. > > Orbit, traffic pattern direction, mile radius of airport > 11. > > *IF CHT => 400F, LAND* > 12. > > Tasks > 1. > > Straight & Level: > 1. > > Both trims in neutral > 2. > > Record vsi/roll: > _____________________________________________________ > 3. > > Adjust for level > 2. > > Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > 3. > > Check w/ Chase that area is clear > 4. > > Stall > 1. > > Slow to mushy controls/buffet > 2. > > Airspeed: _________ > 3. > > Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > 4. > > Flaps: 20% (two marks) > 5. > > Airspeed: _________ > 6. > > Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > 7. > > Flaps: FULL > 8. > > Airspeed: _________ > 9. > > Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > 5. > > Airspeed Check: > 1. > > Setup Airspeed to 120 kts > 2. > > Call Chase to right side > 3. > > Compare airspeeds with Chase > 6. > > Land > 1. > > Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?) > 2. > > Base: 20 flaps > 3. > > Stay on mains if possible > 13. > > *Signals:* > 1. > > *Ears:* com failure > 2. > > *Cut Throat:* Land > 3. > > *Rock Wings:* Chase come up to look over TestFlight >


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    Time: 08:43:26 PM PST US
    From: "John Brick" <jebrick@comcast.net>
    Subject: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND
    The way I read he chart is that 117 hp (65% of 180) is maintained all the way to 12K, at 2100 rpm even though full throttle was reached at 8000. Is that wrong? Why else would those maps be listed under that heading? -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Ulrich Wiedmann Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 4:18 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: IO-360 -b Series Power Chart - FOUND The 65% on the chart is rated fuel flow (and power), not a throttle setting. As your altitude increases, you're going to be increasing your throttle setting to maintain 65% fuel flow at 2100 rpm, eventually reaching FT at 8000 feet. Above 8000 feet, you will no longer be able to maintain 65% fuel flow/power at 2100 rpm. On Tue, Dec 9, 2008 at 1:57 PM, John Brick < jebrick@comcast.net <mailto:jebrick@comcast.net> > wrote: <mailto:jebrick@comcast.net> > At 65% and 2100 rpm, power stays constant while climbing at FT. Seems to contradict Kevin Horton. Is the chart correct?


    Message 12


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    Time: 08:49:55 PM PST US
    From: "Ron Lee" <ronlee@pcisys.net>
    Subject: Re: 1st Flight Test Plan?
    EGT is not very important on the first flight Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: J Riffel To: rv-list Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight: ____________________ 1.. Ground 1.. Equipment: 1.. Fire extinguisher 2.. Hatchet 3.. Knife 4.. Gloves 5.. Phillips screwdriver 2.. monitor freq: 122.85 3.. Record Launch Time: __________________________________ 4.. Prompt/record: Elapsed Oil Press Oil Temp EGT1 EGT2 EGT3 EGT4 CHT1 CHT2 CHT3 CHT4 2 min 5 min 10 min 15 min 20 min 25 min 30 min 5.. IF CHT => 400=B0F, advise LANDING 6.. 30 Minutes 1.. Prompt for 1.. RPM: ______________ 2.. MAP: ______________ 3.. AIRSPEED: _________ 2.. Remind to LAND 7.. Record Landing Time: _______________ 8.. IF CRASH: 1.. Dial 911 & give location 2.. Save Pilot ' aircraft is secondary 3.. Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher 4.. Canopy latch rotates CLOCKWISE to OPEN 5.. MASTER OFF (lower left panel) 6.. Fuel Selector: (center, front of spar) 1.. OFF (aft left) 7.. Seat belts: PULL FLAP 8.. Shoulder Harness: PULL TABS to LOOSEN 9.. Cowl: 1.. Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall 2.. Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl halves 10.. Battery located on pilot side firewall 2.. Chase 1.. Monitor 122.85 2.. Com check: Ground/TestFlight 3.. Depart first; take station EAST of runway 4.. Take up =BD mile trail 5.. Check Fluids/Flapping Parts 6.. If TestFlight rocks wings: 1.. Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges 2.. Fly under to left wing, then over top to right wing 3.. Signal TestFlight: 1.. OK: Thumbsup 2.. Problems: cut Throat to land 7.. Emergencies: 1.. Com Failure: 1.. Come up on right wing 2.. Point to Ears 2.. Parts/Fluid/fire: 1.. Come up on right wing 2.. Cut Throat to indicate landing 3.. Remind pilot: 1.. Master Off 2.. FUEL OFF 3.. Canopy Unlatched ' but closed 3.. Crash: 1.. Tell Ground location 2.. Circle till Ground arrives 3.. TestFlight 1.. Equipment: 1.. Fire extinguisher 2.. Hatchet 3.. Knife 2.. Com: 122.85 3.. Com Check: Ground/Chase 4.. Ensure EIS configuration set for oil temp 5.. Retest Brakes on taxi/runup 6.. Depart after Chase 7.. TAKEOFF: 1.. FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine) 2.. 70-75% power 1.. 3000', 2400/24" 8.. Verify Airspeed registering 9.. Boost Pump Off 10.. Orbit, traffic pattern direction, =BD mile radius of airport 11.. IF CHT => 400=B0F, LAND 12.. Tasks 1.. Straight & Level: 1.. Both trims in neutral 2.. Record vsi/roll: _____________________________________________________ 3.. Adjust for level 2.. Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 3.. Check w/ Chase that area is clear 4.. Stall 1.. Slow to mushy controls/buffet 2.. Airspeed: _________ 3.. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 4.. Flaps: 20% (two marks) 5.. Airspeed: _________ 6.. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 7.. Flaps: FULL 8.. Airspeed: _________ 9.. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 5.. Airspeed Check: 1.. Setup Airspeed to 120 kts 2.. Call Chase to right side 3.. Compare airspeeds with Chase 6.. Land 1.. Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?) 2.. Base: 20=B0 flaps 3.. Stay on mains if possible 13.. Signals: 1.. Ears: com failure 2.. Cut Throat: Land 3.. Rock Wings: Chase come up to look over TestFlight




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