---------------------------------------------------------- RV-List Digest Archive --- Total Messages Posted Thu 12/11/08: 12 ---------------------------------------------------------- Today's Message Index: ---------------------- 1. 05:33 AM - RV6A N822AR gets airworthiness certificate (Ralph E. Capen) 2. 05:58 AM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (Tim Bryan) 3. 05:59 AM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (Dale Ensing) 4. 06:34 AM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (linn Walters) 5. 07:41 AM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (Darrell Reiley) 6. 08:27 AM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (Craig Gallenbach) 7. 10:06 AM - 1st Flight Test Plan? (James H Nelson) 8. 03:35 PM - Re: 1st Flight Test Plan? (Kevin Horton) 9. 07:16 PM - virus (RICHARD MILLER) 10. 08:03 PM - Re: virus (Jerry Springer) 11. 08:39 PM - Re: virus (Mark Grieve) 12. 09:21 PM - santa (RICHARD MILLER) ________________________________ Message 1 _____________________________________ Time: 05:33:35 AM PST US From: "Ralph E. Capen" Subject: RV-List: RV6A N822AR gets airworthiness certificate Folks, After a five-hour inspection/paperwork session with Bill Meserole (DAR), my aircraft is deemed fit-to-fly the phase one test program (40 hours within a 50nm radius circle, day VFR). Soon I'll have a session with Pierre Smith in GA for some refresher training (I already have my sign-off) - then we'll have a first flight report. Ralph Capen RV6A N822AR 0 hrs ________________________________ Message 2 _____________________________________ Time: 05:58:26 AM PST US From: "Tim Bryan" Subject: RE: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? I completely agree with another post; this is way more than you need to worry about on your first and even the second flight. Focus on how the plane feels, and try some slow flight before landing. Don=92t venture too far from the airport, keep it short maybe 15 or 20 minutes and then land and go celebrate. The 25 ' 40 hours after this will provide plenty of time to figure out the rest in small chunks. Your complete attention is needed to verify controllability and landing potential on your first flight. Just my .02 cents worth. Tim Bryan RV-6 Flying N616TB over 120 hours now From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J Riffel Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:38 PM Subject: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight: ____________________ 1. Ground 1. Equipment: 1. Fire extinguisher 2. Hatchet 3. Knife 4. Gloves 5. Phillips screwdriver 2. monitor freq: 122.85 3. Record Launch Time: __________________________________ 4. Prompt/record: Elapsed Oil Press Oil Temp EGT1 EGT2 EGT3 EGT4 CHT1 CHT2 CHT3 CHT4 2 min 5 min 10 min 15 min 20 min 25 min 30 min 5. IF CHT => 400=B0F, advise LANDING 6. 30 Minutes 1. Prompt for 1. RPM: ______________ 2. MAP: ______________ 3. AIRSPEED: _________ 2. Remind to LAND 7. Record Landing Time: _______________ 8. IF CRASH: 1. Dial 911 & give location 2. Save Pilot ' aircraft is secondary 3. Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher 4. Canopy latch rotates CLOCKWISE to OPEN 5. MASTER OFF (lower left panel) 6. Fuel Selector: (center, front of spar) 1. OFF (aft left) 7. Seat belts: PULL FLAP 8. Shoulder Harness: PULL TABS to LOOSEN 9. Cowl: 1. Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall 2. Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl halves 10. Battery located on pilot side firewall 2. Chase 1. Monitor 122.85 2. Com check: Ground/TestFlight 3. Depart first; take station EAST of runway 4. Take up =BD mile trail 5. Check Fluids/Flapping Parts 6. If TestFlight rocks wings: 1. Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges 2. Fly under to left wing, then over top to right wing 3. Signal TestFlight: 1. OK: Thumbsup 2. Problems: cut Throat to land 7. Emergencies: 1. Com Failure: 1. Come up on right wing 2. Point to Ears 2. Parts/Fluid/fire: 1. Come up on right wing 2. Cut Throat to indicate landing 3. Remind pilot: 1. Master Off 2. FUEL OFF 3. Canopy Unlatched ' but closed 3. Crash: 1. Tell Ground location 2. Circle till Ground arrives 3. TestFlight 1. Equipment: 1. Fire extinguisher 2. Hatchet 3. Knife 2. Com: 122.85 3. Com Check: Ground/Chase 4. Ensure EIS configuration set for oil temp 5. Retest Brakes on taxi/runup 6. Depart after Chase 7. TAKEOFF: 1. FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine) 2. 70-75% power 1. 3000', 2400/24" 8. Verify Airspeed registering 9. Boost Pump Off 10. Orbit, traffic pattern direction, =BD mile radius of airport 11. IF CHT => 400=B0F, LAND 12. Tasks 1. Straight & Level: 1. Both trims in neutral 2. Record vsi/roll: _____________________________________________________ 3. Adjust for level 2. Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 3. Check w/ Chase that area is clear 4. Stall 1. Slow to mushy controls/buffet 2. Airspeed: _________ 3. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 4. Flaps: 20% (two marks) 5. Airspeed: _________ 6. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 7. Flaps: FULL 8. Airspeed: _________ 9. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 5. Airspeed Check: 1. Setup Airspeed to 120 kts 2. Call Chase to right side 3. Compare airspeeds with Chase 6. Land 1. Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?) 2. Base: 20=B0 flaps 3. Stay on mains if possible 13. Signals: 1. Ears: com failure 2. Cut Throat: Land 3. Rock Wings: Chase come up to look over TestFlight ________________________________ Message 3 _____________________________________ Time: 05:59:12 AM PST US From: "Dale Ensing" Subject: Re: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? A system I have used as a Flight Advisor that keeps the test pilot attentio n on flying the airplane and not trying to read the flight plan and record data: A person on the ground with handheld radio w/ headset and clip board with t he flight plan/check list.The ground person calls out the items. Test pilot checks the insurments/airplane and responds to the ground member. Ground p erson records the data and flight time. A preflight briefing between test pilot and ground crew helps all this take place. Dale Ensing ----- Original Message ----- From: Ron Lee To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 11:33 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? Hopefully someone else will record all that data. Not the test pilot. Ron Lee ----- Original Message ----- From: J Riffel To: rv-list Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 7:37 PM Subject: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight: ____________________ 1.. Ground 1.. Equipment: 1.. Fire extinguisher 2.. Hatchet 3.. Knife 4.. Gloves 5.. Phillips screwdriver 2.. monitor freq: 122.85 3.. Record Launch Time: __________________________________ 4.. Prompt/record: Elapsed Oil Press Oil Temp EGT1 EGT2 EGT3 EGT4 CHT1 CHT2 CHT3 CHT4 2 min 5 min 10 min 15 min 20 min 25 min 30 min 5.. IF CHT => 400=B0F, advise LANDING 6.. 30 Minutes 1.. Prompt for 1.. RPM: ______________ 2.. MAP: ______________ 3.. AIRSPEED: _________ 2.. Remind to LAND 7.. Record Landing Time: _______________ 8.. IF CRASH: 1.. Dial 911 & give location 2.. Save Pilot ' aircraft is secondary 3.. Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher 4.. Canopy latch rotates CLOCKWISE to OPEN 5.. MASTER OFF (lower left panel) 6.. Fuel Selector: (center, front of spar) 1.. OFF (aft left) 7.. Seat belts: PULL FLAP 8.. Shoulder Harness: PULL TABS to LOOSEN 9.. Cowl: 1.. Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall 2.. Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl halves 10.. Battery located on pilot side firewall 2.. Chase 1.. Monitor 122.85 2.. Com check: Ground/TestFlight 3.. Depart first; take station EAST of runway 4.. Take up =BD mile trail 5.. Check Fluids/Flapping Parts 6.. If TestFlight rocks wings: 1.. Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges 2.. Fly under to left wing, then over top to right wing 3.. Signal TestFlight: 1.. OK: Thumbsup 2.. Problems: cut Throat to land 7.. Emergencies: 1.. Com Failure: 1.. Come up on right wing 2.. Point to Ears 2.. Parts/Fluid/fire: 1.. Come up on right wing 2.. Cut Throat to indicate landing 3.. Remind pilot: 1.. Master Off 2.. FUEL OFF 3.. Canopy Unlatched ' but closed 3.. Crash: 1.. Tell Ground location 2.. Circle till Ground arrives 3.. TestFlight 1.. Equipment: 1.. Fire extinguisher 2.. Hatchet 3.. Knife 2.. Com: 122.85 3.. Com Check: Ground/Chase 4.. Ensure EIS configuration set for oil temp 5.. Retest Brakes on taxi/runup 6.. Depart after Chase 7.. TAKEOFF: 1.. FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine) 2.. 70-75% power 1.. 3000', 2400/24" 8.. Verify Airspeed registering 9.. Boost Pump Off 10.. Orbit, traffic pattern direction, =BD mile radius of airport 11.. IF CHT => 400=B0F, LAND 12.. Tasks 1.. Straight & Level: 1.. Both trims in neutral 2.. Record vsi/roll: __________________________________________ ___________ 3.. Adjust for level 2.. Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 3.. Check w/ Chase that area is clear 4.. Stall 1.. Slow to mushy controls/buffet 2.. Airspeed: _________ 3.. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 4.. Flaps: 20% (two marks) 5.. Airspeed: _________ 6.. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 7.. Flaps: FULL 8.. Airspeed: _________ 9.. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs 5.. Airspeed Check: 1.. Setup Airspeed to 120 kts 2.. Call Chase to right side 3.. Compare airspeeds with Chase 6.. Land 1.. Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?) 2.. Base: 20=B0 flaps 3.. Stay on mains if possible 13.. Signals: 1.. Ears: com failure 2.. Cut Throat: Land 3.. Rock Wings: Chase come up to look over TestFlight href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chr ef="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/ Navigator?RV-List href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com ________________________________ Message 4 _____________________________________ Time: 06:34:15 AM PST US From: linn Walters Subject: Re: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? Good advice Tim! My first flight in my Pitts started with a couple dozen of my friends around the hangar. I was gone for an hour .... because I think I was too scared to land ..... y'all probably know that the Pitts has a reputation for doing wild ballet during landing .... but the landing was a no-brainer. Only a few die-hards remained when I returned to the hangar, and it was a small celebration. In that hour I don't think I got the Pitts outside the airport boundary!!! Having learned from others over the years, a short (15-20 minutes) is long enough to get the engine operating temps up and to uncover any oil leaks that may crop up. Becoming comfortable with the amount of control necessary to control the airplane is probably the biggest variable between planes. I think we become more 'ham fisted' with the adrenaline rush .... and there certainly is a big rush .... :-) Linn do not archive Tim Bryan wrote: > > I completely agree with another post; this is way more than you need > to worry about on your first and even the second flight. Focus on how > the plane feels, and try some slow flight before landing. Dont > venture too far from the airport, keep it short maybe 15 or 20 minutes > and then land and go celebrate. The 25 40 hours after this will > provide plenty of time to figure out the rest in small chunks. Your > complete attention is needed to verify controllability and landing > potential on your first flight. > > Just my .02 cents worth. > > *Tim Bryan* > > *RV-6 Flying* > > *N616TB over 120 hours now* > ________________________________ Message 5 _____________________________________ Time: 07:41:12 AM PST US From: Darrell Reiley Subject: RE: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? Very well said Tim... And no big crowd necessary! Darrell --- On Thu, 12/11/08, Tim Bryan wrote: > From: Tim Bryan > Subject: RE: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Date: Thursday, December 11, 2008, 7:57 AM > I completely agree with another post; this is way more than > you need to > worry about on your first and even the second flight. > Focus on how the > plane feels, and try some slow flight before landing. > Dont venture too far > from the airport, keep it short maybe 15 or 20 minutes and > then land and go > celebrate. The 25 40 hours after this will provide > plenty of time to > figure out the rest in small chunks. Your complete > attention is needed to > verify controllability and landing potential on your first > flight. > > > > Just my .02 cents worth. > > > > Tim Bryan > > RV-6 Flying > > N616TB over 120 hours now > > > > From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com > [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of J > Riffel > Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2008 8:38 PM > To: rv-list > Subject: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? > > > > I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my > 1st Flight: > > > > ____________________ > > > > 1. Ground > > 1. Equipment: > > 1. Fire extinguisher > > 2. Hatchet > > 3. Knife > > 4. Gloves > > 5. Phillips screwdriver > > 2. monitor freq: 122.85 > > 3. Record Launch Time: > __________________________________ > > 4. Prompt/record: > > > Elapsed > > Oil Press > > Oil Temp > > EGT1 > > EGT2 > > EGT3 > > EGT4 > > CHT1 > > CHT2 > > CHT3 > > CHT4 > > > 2 min > > > > > 5 min > > > > > 10 min > > > > > 15 min > > > > > 20 min > > > > > 25 min > > > > > 30 min > > > > > 5. IF CHT => 400F, advise LANDING > > 6. 30 Minutes > > 1. Prompt for > > 1. RPM: ______________ > > 2. MAP: ______________ > > 3. AIRSPEED: _________ > > 2. Remind to LAND > > 7. Record Landing Time: _______________ > > 8. IF CRASH: > > 1. Dial 911 & give location > > 2. Save Pilot aircraft is secondary > > 3. Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher > > 4. Canopy latch rotates CLOCKWISE to OPEN > > 5. MASTER OFF (lower left panel) > > 6. Fuel Selector: (center, front of spar) > > 1. OFF (aft left) > > 7. Seat belts: PULL FLAP > > 8. Shoulder Harness: PULL TABS to LOOSEN > > 9. Cowl: > > 1. Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall > > 2. Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl halves > > 10. Battery located on pilot side firewall > > 2. Chase > > 1. Monitor 122.85 > > 2. Com check: Ground/TestFlight > > 3. Depart first; take station EAST of runway > > 4. Take up mile trail > > 5. Check Fluids/Flapping Parts > > 6. If TestFlight rocks wings: > > 1. Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges > > 2. Fly under to left wing, then over top to right wing > > 3. Signal TestFlight: > > 1. OK: Thumbsup > > 2. Problems: cut Throat to land > > 7. Emergencies: > > 1. Com Failure: > > 1. Come up on right wing > > 2. Point to Ears > > 2. Parts/Fluid/fire: > > 1. Come up on right wing > > 2. Cut Throat to indicate landing > > 3. Remind pilot: > > 1. Master Off > > 2. FUEL OFF > > 3. Canopy Unlatched but closed > > 3. Crash: > > 1. Tell Ground location > > 2. Circle till Ground arrives > > 3. TestFlight > > 1. Equipment: > > 1. Fire extinguisher > > 2. Hatchet > > 3. Knife > > 2. Com: 122.85 > > 3. Com Check: Ground/Chase > > 4. Ensure EIS configuration set for oil temp > > 5. Retest Brakes on taxi/runup > > 6. Depart after Chase > > 7. TAKEOFF: > > 1. FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine) > > 2. 70-75% power > > 1. 3000', 2400/24" > > 8. Verify Airspeed registering > > 9. Boost Pump Off > > 10. Orbit, traffic pattern direction, mile radius of > airport > > 11. IF CHT => 400F, LAND > > 12. Tasks > > 1. Straight & Level: > > 1. Both trims in neutral > > 2. Record vsi/roll: > _____________________________________________________ > > 3. Adjust for level > > 2. Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > > 3. Check w/ Chase that area is clear > > 4. Stall > > 1. Slow to mushy controls/buffet > > 2. Airspeed: _________ > > 3. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > > 4. Flaps: 20% (two marks) > > 5. Airspeed: _________ > > 6. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > > 7. Flaps: FULL > > 8. Airspeed: _________ > > 9. Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs > > 5. Airspeed Check: > > 1. Setup Airspeed to 120 kts > > 2. Call Chase to right side > > 3. Compare airspeeds with Chase > > 6. Land > > 1. Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?) > > 2. Base: 20 flaps > > 3. Stay on mains if possible > > 13. Signals: > > 1. Ears: com failure > > 2. Cut Throat: Land > > 3. Rock Wings: Chase come up to look over TestFlight ________________________________ Message 6 _____________________________________ Time: 08:27:33 AM PST US From: Craig Gallenbach Subject: Re: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? I did this about two weeks ago and agree with previous comments.- Your to tal focus needs to be on flying the airplane and monitoring engine performa nce to the extent you assure that it continues to make noise.- Plenty of time to record stuff later.- Keep it simple.- Keep it short. Stay focus ed on the airplane.- Have fun. - Craig Gallenbach RV8A N184CG 5 hours --- On Wed, 12/10/08, J Riffel wrote: From: J Riffel Subject: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight: - ____________________ - Ground Equipment: Fire extinguisher Hatchet Knife Gloves Phillips screwdriver monitor freq: 122.85 Record Launch Time: __________________________________ Prompt/record: Elapsed Oil Press Oil Temp EGT1 EGT2 EGT3 EGT4 CHT1 CHT2 CHT3 CHT4 2 min 5 min 10 min 15 min 20 min 25 min 30 min IF CHT => 400=B0F, advise LANDING 30 Minutes Prompt for RPM: ______________ MAP: ______________ AIRSPEED: _________ Remind to LAND Record Landing Time: _______________ IF CRASH: Dial 911 & give location Save Pilot ' aircraft is secondary Gloves, knife, hatchet, Fire Extinguisher Canopy latch rotates CLOCKWISE to OPEN MASTER OFF (lower left panel) Fuel Selector: (center, front of spar) OFF (aft left) Seat belts: PULL FLAP Shoulder Harness: PULL TABS to LOOSEN Cowl: Oil Door for top cowl hinge wires on firewall Phillips screwdriver for hinge wires on cowl halves Battery located on pilot side firewall Chase Monitor 122.85 Com check: Ground/TestFlight Depart first; take station EAST of runway Take up =BD mile trail Check Fluids/Flapping Parts If TestFlight rocks wings: Come up on right wing till TestFlight acknowledges Fly under to left wing, then over top to right wing Signal TestFlight: OK: Thumbsup Problems: cut Throat to land Emergencies: Com Failure: Come up on right wing Point to Ears Parts/Fluid/fire: Come up on right wing Cut Throat to indicate landing Remind pilot: Master Off FUEL OFF Canopy Unlatched ' but closed Crash: Tell Ground location Circle till Ground arrives TestFlight Equipment: Fire extinguisher Hatchet Knife Com: 122.85 Com Check: Ground/Chase Ensure EIS configuration set for oil temp Retest Brakes on taxi/runup Depart after Chase TAKEOFF: FULL POWER, FULL RICH (lean only to smooth engine) 70-75% power 3000', 2400/24" Verify Airspeed registering Boost Pump Off Orbit, traffic pattern direction, =BD mile radius of airport IF CHT => 400=B0F, LAND Tasks Straight & Level: Both trims in neutral Record vsi/roll: _____________________________________________________ Adjust for level Tell Ground OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs Check w/ Chase that area is clear Stall Slow to mushy controls/buffet Airspeed: _________ Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs Flaps: 20% (two marks) Airspeed: _________ Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs Flaps: FULL Airspeed: _________ Check: OilT/P, EGTs, CHTs Airspeed Check: Setup Airspeed to 120 kts Call Chase to right side Compare airspeeds with Chase Land Downwind: 1.5 times clean stall (80-90 kts?) Base: 20=B0 flaps Stay on mains if possible Signals: Ears: com failure Cut Throat: Land Rock Wings: Chase come up to look over TestFlight ________________________________ Message 7 _____________________________________ Time: 10:06:11 AM PST US Subject: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? From: James H Nelson You did not say what type of instrumentation you are using to tell you the info you want. I have the EIS from Grand Rapids that has limits (both high and low) set in the unit. If any of these are exceeded, the "big red light" turns on and tells you what is the offending parameter. That way, on my first flight, and the rest of them, I could concentrate on flying the plane. There is enough stress on the pilot for the first flight with out taking your attention off the flying. CHT's are the most important thing to watch. I kept my airspeed on take off in the 110K range. This gave me good cooling as well as good visibility. It also gives you many options if things get sticky. Airspeed is life as the air force jocks will tell you. The biggest problem will be to loose the airspeed on downwind. That means that I need to reduce power as soon as I get to downwind altitude. Tough to do with the slippery RV's. In thirty seconds you will be ready to turn cross wind and then thirty seconds later, to down wind. It all happens fast !!!!!! Jim ____________________________________________________________ Criminal Lawyers - Click here. http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw3dDC4Q87ZKvBGgg4A5PcYwRy849yHbAS7GIRAAEo9AZMtTd/ ________________________________ Message 8 _____________________________________ Time: 03:35:49 PM PST US From: Kevin Horton Subject: Re: RV-List: 1st Flight Test Plan? On 10-Dec-08, at 21:37 , J Riffel wrote: > I'd appreciate any constructive input on my plan for my 1st Flight: > Three comments: 1. I'd drop the formation airspeed check. Doing a 120 kt airspeed check just adds more low power time, which detracts from the engine break-in, but it doesn't tell you anything that can't wait a few flights. Take your IAS at the full flap stall, and multiply by about 1.5, and do a very quick controllablity evaluation at that speed. If it feels good, use that for the initial approach speed. You can work on dialing that down a bit slower on subsequent flights. 2. I'd restrict the duration to 20 minutes, or less. There are a lot of things that can be happening ahead of the firewall on the first flight, and it is best to keep the duration short, and then do a very detailed inspection before flying again. I know of several RV owners who had the alternator pulley wear through the cowling on the first flight. I thought I had enough clearance between the alternator pulley and the cowling, but apparently the air loads push the lower cowling aft. I did a 20 minute first flight, and my alternator pulley put a very deep gouge in the cowling. I think it may have worn all the way through in 30 minutes. It is a lot easier to fill in a gouge, that it is to repair it if it comes all the way through. I also had an issue with heat stress on the throttle cable, as it was too close to the exhaust. 3. I wouldn't record EGT. It tells you nothing useful. CHTs, oil temperature and oil pressure should be monitored. Recording them is optional. I like the detailed notes on ground items, chase briefing, etc. Good luck, -- Kevin Horton Ottawa, Canada ________________________________ Message 9 _____________________________________ Time: 07:16:56 PM PST US From: RICHARD MILLER Subject: RV-List: virus HEADS UP!!! Just got an email from one of our clients warning us of a big virus coming. If you get an attachment entitled 'POSTCARD FROM HALLMARK' regardless of who sent it to you, DO NOT OPEN IT. It is a virus which opens a post card image which "burns" the whole hard disc C of your computer. I have checked with our office computer people and this is a threat that is coming so be warned. ________________________________ Message 10 ____________________________________ Time: 08:03:52 PM PST US From: Jerry Springer Subject: Re: RV-List: virus Best tell your clients to verify before sending hoax warnings. This has been going around for a while. http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_postcard_virus.htm RICHARD MILLER wrote: > >HEADS UP!!! Just got an email from one of our clients warning us of a big virus coming. If you get an attachment entitled 'POSTCARD FROM HALLMARK' regardless of who sent it to you, DO NOT OPEN IT. It is a virus which opens a post card image which "burns" the whole hard disc C of your computer. I have checked with our office computer people and this is a threat that is coming so be warned. > > > > > > > ________________________________ Message 11 ____________________________________ Time: 08:39:03 PM PST US From: Mark Grieve Subject: Re: RV-List: virus Darn you Jerry! Not only did you beat me to calling this a hoax, you sited the same source. Symantec's web site tells us that the MYDOOM virus used the E-card from Hallmark subject but that was a year ago. If your virus definitions are up to date then you will be covered. Virus are a real problem and we appreciate your concern. I work for an ISP and respond to these warnings every week. Education is the best defense. If someone sends a warning such as this, check it out and let the sender know if it isn't real. Cheers Mark Jerry Springer wrote: > > Best tell your clients to verify before sending hoax warnings. This > has been going around for a while. > > http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_postcard_virus.htm > > > RICHARD MILLER wrote: > >> >> HEADS UP!!! Just got an email from one of our clients warning us of a >> big virus coming. If you get an attachment entitled 'POSTCARD FROM >> HALLMARK' regardless of who sent it to you, DO NOT OPEN IT. It is a >> virus which opens a post card image which "burns" the whole hard disc >> C of your computer. I have checked with our office computer people >> and this is a threat that is coming so be warned. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> > > ________________________________ Message 12 ____________________________________ Time: 09:21:39 PM PST US From: RICHARD MILLER Subject: RV-List: santa -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- The FAA and Homeland security ban Santa Claus from domestic airspace Written by Buck E Filbert In a surprise move today The Federal Aviation Administration and Homeland Security joined forces to unilaterally deny domestic air space clearance to the traditional Christmas Eve sleigh ride by Santa Claus. Santa's ride has been bringing joy and happiness to millions of children for generations. Irate parents worldwide are said to be absolutely distraught. "Who's going to eat the milk and cookies for a start?" asked one parent. Homeland Security has said that any penetration into American air space will be considered an act of aggression as part of their duty in keeping American airspace and borders safe. A spokesman from Homeland Security told us, "We just can't have every jolly, rosy cheeked, white haired fruitcake in the world flying around American air space unsupervised." FAA are scratching their heads about where to begin certifying Santa's sleigh as safe for flight. There are no standards regulating the stability and performance of reindeer, also the FAA simply don't know how to inspect a machine which, in their minds, "totally defies the laws of physics". The FAA will consider granting clearance if all FAA regulations are met. Here are a few: * As a powered aircraft, Santa's sleigh requires a proper licensed propulsion system (Reindeer fed on magic dust are not mentioned in the regs and can't be used). * A single red light at the lead of the pack of reindeer does not constitute a set of running lights * The Sleigh must have a valid maintenance certificate and must meet aerodynamic requirements and be tested in a wind-tunnel. * Detailed flight plans must be plotted and submitted to the FAA at least six months in advance Santa Claus is said to be very upset by the reaction from these US agencies and feels the actions are a direct violation of the Children's basic human rights. 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