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1. 10:47 AM - Static System Assembly (Jerry Grimmonpre)
2. 12:17 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Paul Rice)
3. 01:09 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
4. 01:47 PM - Static System Assembly (James H Nelson)
5. 01:47 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (SteinAir, Inc.)
6. 02:37 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Paul Besing)
7. 02:43 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Greg Young)
8. 02:45 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (linn Walters)
9. 03:01 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
10. 04:02 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (mikerv6a@ao.com)
11. 06:40 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Jerry Grimmonpre)
12. 08:18 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Robert Savage)
13. 11:04 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (mikerv6a@ao.com)
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Subject: | Static System Assembly |
Dear List ...
I'm rebuilding my static system and am looking for "how did you do it"
suggestions.
Specifically:
How did you attach the tubing to the Van's static port rivet tails?
Glue, RTV or ... ?
Did any of you find a clamp that would work with such a small diameter and
short rivet tail?
What method does not work or will not hold together between condition
inspections?
Thanks, Jerry
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Subject: | Static System Assembly |
Hey Jerry=2C
I bought some rivets with the same head but a longer grip and used a little
sealant and a zip tie. I didn't like that the vans rivets had such a shor
t shank to clamp to.
Paul Rice
RV8 Flying Siren
130 hours> From: jerry@mc.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV-List:
Static System Assembly> Date: Wed=2C 17 Dec 2008 12:37:31 -0600> > --> RV-
List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>> > Dear List ...>
I'm rebuilding my static system and am looking for "how did you do it" > s
uggestions.> > Specifically:> How did you attach the tubing to the Van's st
atic port rivet tails?> Glue=2C RTV or ... ?> > Did any of you find a clamp
that would work with such a small diameter and > short rivet tail?> > What
method does not work or will not hold together between condition > inspect
======================> > >
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Subject: | Re: Static System Assembly |
RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from Van's.
Is there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin or ribs?
Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however, will it effect
the skin over time? Thanks for any input.
Jim
RV9a
----- Original Message -----
From: Paul Rice
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:07 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Static System Assembly
Hey Jerry,
I bought some rivets with the same head but a longer grip and used a
little sealant and a zip tie. I didn't like that the vans rivets had
such a short shank to clamp to.
Paul Rice
RV8 Flying Siren
130 hours
> From: jerry@mc.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Static System Assembly
> Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:37:31 -0600
>
>
> Dear List ...
> I'm rebuilding my static system and am looking for "how did you do
it"
> suggestions.
>
> Specifically:
> How did you attach the tubing to the Van's static port rivet tails?
> Glue, RTV or ... ?
>
> Did any of you find a clamp that would work with such a small
diameter and
> short rivet tail?
>
> What method does not work or will not hold together between
condition
> inspections?
> Thanks=======
>
>
>
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Subject: | Static System Assembly |
Hi Jim,
Just do not get it on the outside where the paint will go.
Jim
RV9-A
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Subject: | Static System Assembly |
It won't necessarily affect the skins, but if you use it externally it'll
likely make it near to impossible to ever get a paint job to stick to
it...even with it visibly cleaned. Silicone (or an product with silicone in
it) is a big no-no for external use on airplanes as it doesn't play nicely
with paint.
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes
& Leisure Realty
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:09 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Assembly
RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from Van's.
Is there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin or ribs?
Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however, will it effect the
skin over time? Thanks for any input.
Jim
RV9a
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Subject: | Re: Static System Assembly |
Not sure if they still sell them, but Cleveland tool makes some machined static
ports which are very nice. Just be sure and mount them to the OUTSIDE of the
skin...otherwise the static port will be caught in the boundary layer, and will
not be accurate..ask me how I know....
Paul Besing
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From: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:47:27 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Static System Assembly
It won't
necessarily affect the skins, but if you use it externally it'll likely make it
near to impossible to ever get a paint job to stick to it...even with it visibly
cleaned. Silicone (or an product with silicone in it) is a
big no-no for external use on airplanes as it doesn't play nicely with
paint.
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Assembly
RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from Van's. Is there
any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin or ribs? Silicone works
well for holding parts in place, however, will it effect the skin over time?
Thanks for any input.
Jim
RV9a
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Subject: | Static System Assembly |
There are numerous paintable sealant/adhesives that can do the same kind of
job as the silicone-based ones. Proseal-like tank sealants, Lexel and
Sikaflex come to mind.
Regards,
Greg Young
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From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir, Inc.
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Static System Assembly
It won't necessarily affect the skins, but if you use it externally it'll
likely make it near to impossible to ever get a paint job to stick to
it...even with it visibly cleaned. Silicone (or an product with silicone in
it) is a big no-no for external use on airplanes as it doesn't play nicely
with paint.
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes
& Leisure Realty
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Assembly
RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from Van's. Is
there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin or ribs?
Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however, will it effect the
skin over time? Thanks for any input.
Jim
RV9a
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Subject: | Re: Static System Assembly |
Well ...... depends. Some silicone caulk smells like vinegar ....
acetic acid ..... which surely isn't friendly to aluminum ..... but
unlike the lead pencil/aluminum corrosion I haven't heard of any real
problems with using silicone on aluminum. In fact, I see it used quite
a lot. I know I didn't answer your question, but it is something to
think about.
Linn
do not archive
Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote:
> RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from
> Van's. Is there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin
> or ribs? Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however,
> will it effect the skin over time? Thanks for any input.
>
> Jim
> RV9a
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> *From:* Paul Rice <mailto:rice737@msn.com>
> *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:07 PM
> *Subject:* RE: RV-List: Static System Assembly
>
> Hey Jerry,
>
> I bought some rivets with the same head but a longer grip and used
> a little sealant and a zip tie. I didn't like that the vans
> rivets had such a short shank to clamp to.
>
> Paul Rice
> RV8 Flying Siren
> 130 hours
>
> > From: jerry@mc.net <mailto:jerry@mc.net>
> > To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com>
> > Subject: RV-List: Static System Assembly
> > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:37:31 -0600
> >
> >
> > Dear List ...
> > I'm rebuilding my static system and am looking for "how did you
> do it"
> > suggestions.
> >
> > Specifically:
> > How did you attach the tubing to the Van's static port rivet tails?
> > Glue, RTV or ... ?
> >
> > Did any of you find a clamp that would work with such a small
> diameter and
> > short rivet tail?
> >
> > What method does not work or will not hold together between
> condition
> > inspections?
> > Thanks=======
> >
> >
> >
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Subject: | Re: Static System Assembly |
Stein, Thanks for the info. I appreciate your knowledge, I'm sorry I
didn't get to your shop last Saturday. I hope you had a good turn out
and that your business is busy. Good luck in 2009.
Jim
RV9a
----- Original Message -----
From: SteinAir, Inc.
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:47 PM
Subject: RE: RV-List: Static System Assembly
It won't necessarily affect the skins, but if you use it externally
it'll likely make it near to impossible to ever get a paint job to stick
to it...even with it visibly cleaned. Silicone (or an product with
silicone in it) is a big no-no for external use on airplanes as it
doesn't play nicely with paint.
Cheers,
Stein
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com
[mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at
Lakes & Leisure Realty
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:09 PM
To: rv-list@matronics.com
Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Assembly
RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from
Van's. Is there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin or
ribs? Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however, will it
effect the skin over time? Thanks for any input.
Jim
RV9a
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Subject: | Re: Static System Assembly |
I came up with a way to make a back-side fitting for
Van's static port. This permits use of a removable
fitting for plastic tubing to connect the static vent
plumbing. It's described in the EAA chapter 105
newsletter for April 2005, page 2:
http://www.eaa105.org/Newsletter/nl-200504.pdf
Mike Linse
Corvallis, OR
RV-6A (canopy, in the winter...)
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Subject: | Re: Static System Assembly |
Hi Mike,
You have won the prize for an elegant solution to the static system plumbing
challenge. That's a clever approach. If it's OK I am going to use it for
my static hook-up. It also seems possible to drill a close fitting hole in
a light weight pipe cap, and expand the rivet into that cap then drive out
the center stem. Back it up with a little tank sealant.
Thanks, Jerry
----- Original Message -----
From: <mikerv6a@ao.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:59 PM
Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Assembly
>
> I came up with a way to make a back-side fitting for
> Van's static port. This permits use of a removable
> fitting for plastic tubing to connect the static vent
> plumbing. It's described in the EAA chapter 105
> newsletter for April 2005, page 2:
> http://www.eaa105.org/Newsletter/nl-200504.pdf
>
> Mike Linse
> Corvallis, OR
> RV-6A (canopy, in the winter...)
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Subject: | Static System Assembly |
I had the same trouble with the rivet tail being to short. I went to the h
ardware store and bought some aluminum tubing that would just fit over the
rivet tail before it was installed. I cut about a 1 inch length and had so
meone hold the tubing over the rivet on the inside of the fuselage while I
pulled the rivet from the out side. As the pop rivet expanded it did the s
ame to the tubing and the tubing made a nice little nipple to connect van's
plastic tubing to on the inside. I sealed it with a couple of turns of sa
fety wire.
Bob Savage
RV7A
Firewall Forward
> From: jerry@mc.net
> To: rv-list@matronics.com
> Subject: RV-List: Static System Assembly
> Date: Wed=2C 17 Dec 2008 12:37:31 -0600
>
>
> Dear List ...
> I'm rebuilding my static system and am looking for "how did you do it"
> suggestions.
>
> Specifically:
> How did you attach the tubing to the Van's static port rivet tails?
> Glue=2C RTV or ... ?
>
> Did any of you find a clamp that would work with such a small diameter an
d
> short rivet tail?
>
> What method does not work or will not hold together between condition
> inspections?
> Thanks=2C Jerry
>
>
>
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Subject: | Re: Static System Assembly |
Hi Jerry
That's a good idea: It eliminates the tapping operation.
Also, one complication of my use of round bar is that
there are not features for use of a wrench. Vise grip
pliers solved that, but I made later versions from 1/2"
hex aluminum bar. Pipe caps generally have features
that make them compatible with some kind of wrench or
pliers. McMaster sells an aluminum cap that's threaded
for 1/8 pipe, their part number 44705K372, $2.18.
Mike Linse
Corvallis, OR
RV-6A
>
> Hi Mike,
> [snip] It also seems possible to drill a close fitting hole
> in a light weight pipe cap, and expand the rivet into that
> cap then drive out the center stem. Back it up with a little
> tank sealant.
> Thanks, Jerry
>
>>
>> I came up with a way to make a back-side fitting for
>> Van's static port... It's described in the EAA chapter 105
>> newsletter for April 2005, page 2:
>> http://www.eaa105.org/Newsletter/nl-200504.pdf
>>
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