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Wed 12/17/08


Total Messages Posted: 13



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     1. 10:47 AM - Static System Assembly (Jerry Grimmonpre)
     2. 12:17 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Paul Rice)
     3. 01:09 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
     4. 01:47 PM - Static System Assembly (James H Nelson)
     5. 01:47 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (SteinAir, Inc.)
     6. 02:37 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Paul Besing)
     7. 02:43 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Greg Young)
     8. 02:45 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (linn Walters)
     9. 03:01 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty)
    10. 04:02 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (mikerv6a@ao.com)
    11. 06:40 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Jerry Grimmonpre)
    12. 08:18 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (Robert Savage)
    13. 11:04 PM - Re: Static System Assembly (mikerv6a@ao.com)
 
 
 


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    Time: 10:47:27 AM PST US
    From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
    Subject: Static System Assembly
    Dear List ... I'm rebuilding my static system and am looking for "how did you do it" suggestions. Specifically: How did you attach the tubing to the Van's static port rivet tails? Glue, RTV or ... ? Did any of you find a clamp that would work with such a small diameter and short rivet tail? What method does not work or will not hold together between condition inspections? Thanks, Jerry


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    Time: 12:17:23 PM PST US
    From: Paul Rice <rice737@msn.com>
    Subject: Static System Assembly
    Hey Jerry=2C I bought some rivets with the same head but a longer grip and used a little sealant and a zip tie. I didn't like that the vans rivets had such a shor t shank to clamp to. Paul Rice RV8 Flying Siren 130 hours> From: jerry@mc.net> To: rv-list@matronics.com> Subject: RV-List: Static System Assembly> Date: Wed=2C 17 Dec 2008 12:37:31 -0600> > --> RV- List message posted by: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>> > Dear List ...> I'm rebuilding my static system and am looking for "how did you do it" > s uggestions.> > Specifically:> How did you attach the tubing to the Van's st atic port rivet tails?> Glue=2C RTV or ... ?> > Did any of you find a clamp that would work with such a small diameter and > short rivet tail?> > What method does not work or will not hold together between condition > inspect ======================> > >


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    Time: 01:09:42 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: Static System Assembly
    RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from Van's. Is there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin or ribs? Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however, will it effect the skin over time? Thanks for any input. Jim RV9a ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Rice To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:07 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Static System Assembly Hey Jerry, I bought some rivets with the same head but a longer grip and used a little sealant and a zip tie. I didn't like that the vans rivets had such a short shank to clamp to. Paul Rice RV8 Flying Siren 130 hours > From: jerry@mc.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Static System Assembly > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:37:31 -0600 > > > Dear List ... > I'm rebuilding my static system and am looking for "how did you do it" > suggestions. > > Specifically: > How did you attach the tubing to the Van's static port rivet tails? > Glue, RTV or ... ? > > Did any of you find a clamp that would work with such a small diameter and > short rivet tail? > > What method does not work or will not hold together between condition > inspections? > Thanks======= > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 12/17/2008 8:31 AM


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    Time: 01:47:37 PM PST US
    Subject: Static System Assembly
    From: James H Nelson <rv9jim@juno.com>
    Hi Jim, Just do not get it on the outside where the paint will go. Jim RV9-A ____________________________________________________________ Free information - Learn about Hardwood Floors. Click now! http://thirdpartyoffers.juno.com/TGL2141/fc/PnY6rw2eFAXYnrR0Jzl1WeS2XDfc32K9qOBF9g4HRYoFMoEfgY5S7/


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    Time: 01:47:50 PM PST US
    From: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com>
    Subject: Static System Assembly
    It won't necessarily affect the skins, but if you use it externally it'll likely make it near to impossible to ever get a paint job to stick to it...even with it visibly cleaned. Silicone (or an product with silicone in it) is a big no-no for external use on airplanes as it doesn't play nicely with paint. Cheers, Stein -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:09 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Assembly RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from Van's. Is there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin or ribs? Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however, will it effect the skin over time? Thanks for any input. Jim RV9a


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    Time: 02:37:50 PM PST US
    From: Paul Besing <pbesing@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Static System Assembly
    Not sure if they still sell them, but Cleveland tool makes some machined static ports which are very nice. Just be sure and mount them to the OUTSIDE of the skin...otherwise the static port will be caught in the boundary layer, and will not be accurate..ask me how I know.... Paul Besing ________________________________ From: "SteinAir, Inc." <stein@steinair.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:47:27 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Static System Assembly It won't necessarily affect the skins, but if you use it externally it'll likely make it near to impossible to ever get a paint job to stick to it...even with it visibly cleaned. Silicone (or an product with silicone in it) is a big no-no for external use on airplanes as it doesn't play nicely with paint. Cheers, Stein -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Assembly RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from Van's. Is there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin or ribs? Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however, will it effect the skin over time? Thanks for any input. Jim RV9a


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    Time: 02:43:46 PM PST US
    From: "Greg Young" <gyoung@cs-sol.com>
    Subject: Static System Assembly
    There are numerous paintable sealant/adhesives that can do the same kind of job as the silicone-based ones. Proseal-like tank sealants, Lexel and Sikaflex come to mind. Regards, Greg Young _____ From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com] On Behalf Of SteinAir, Inc. Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Static System Assembly It won't necessarily affect the skins, but if you use it externally it'll likely make it near to impossible to ever get a paint job to stick to it...even with it visibly cleaned. Silicone (or an product with silicone in it) is a big no-no for external use on airplanes as it doesn't play nicely with paint. Cheers, Stein -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:09 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Assembly RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from Van's. Is there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin or ribs? Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however, will it effect the skin over time? Thanks for any input. Jim RV9a


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    Time: 02:45:41 PM PST US
    From: linn Walters <pitts_pilot@bellsouth.net>
    Subject: Re: Static System Assembly
    Well ...... depends. Some silicone caulk smells like vinegar .... acetic acid ..... which surely isn't friendly to aluminum ..... but unlike the lead pencil/aluminum corrosion I haven't heard of any real problems with using silicone on aluminum. In fact, I see it used quite a lot. I know I didn't answer your question, but it is something to think about. Linn do not archive Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty wrote: > RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from > Van's. Is there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin > or ribs? Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however, > will it effect the skin over time? Thanks for any input. > > Jim > RV9a > > ----- Original Message ----- > *From:* Paul Rice <mailto:rice737@msn.com> > *To:* rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 17, 2008 2:07 PM > *Subject:* RE: RV-List: Static System Assembly > > Hey Jerry, > > I bought some rivets with the same head but a longer grip and used > a little sealant and a zip tie. I didn't like that the vans > rivets had such a short shank to clamp to. > > Paul Rice > RV8 Flying Siren > 130 hours > > > From: jerry@mc.net <mailto:jerry@mc.net> > > To: rv-list@matronics.com <mailto:rv-list@matronics.com> > > Subject: RV-List: Static System Assembly > > Date: Wed, 17 Dec 2008 12:37:31 -0600 > > > > > > Dear List ... > > I'm rebuilding my static system and am looking for "how did you > do it" > > suggestions. > > > > Specifically: > > How did you attach the tubing to the Van's static port rivet tails? > > Glue, RTV or ... ? > > > > Did any of you find a clamp that would work with such a small > diameter and > > short rivet tail? > > > > What method does not work or will not hold together between > condition > > inspections? > > Thanks======= > > > > > > > > * > > href="http://www.matronics.com/contribution">http://www.matronics.com/chref="http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List">http://www.matronics.com/Navigator?RV-List > href="http://forums.matronics.com">http://forums.matronics.com > * > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > 12/17/2008 8:31 AM > > * > > *


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    Time: 03:01:06 PM PST US
    From: "Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty" <jfogarty@tds.net>
    Subject: Re: Static System Assembly
    Stein, Thanks for the info. I appreciate your knowledge, I'm sorry I didn't get to your shop last Saturday. I hope you had a good turn out and that your business is busy. Good luck in 2009. Jim RV9a ----- Original Message ----- From: SteinAir, Inc. To: rv-list@matronics.com Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:47 PM Subject: RE: RV-List: Static System Assembly It won't necessarily affect the skins, but if you use it externally it'll likely make it near to impossible to ever get a paint job to stick to it...even with it visibly cleaned. Silicone (or an product with silicone in it) is a big no-no for external use on airplanes as it doesn't play nicely with paint. Cheers, Stein -----Original Message----- From: owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com [mailto:owner-rv-list-server@matronics.com]On Behalf Of Jim Fogarty at Lakes & Leisure Realty Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 3:09 PM To: rv-list@matronics.com Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Assembly RV's Builders, I used a silicone and the rivets in the kit from Van's. Is there any problem with using silicone on the aluminum skin or ribs? Silicone works well for holding parts in place, however, will it effect the skin over time? Thanks for any input. Jim RV9a ------------------------------------------------------------------------- ----- Checked by AVG. 12/17/2008 8:31 AM


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    Time: 04:02:00 PM PST US
    From: mikerv6a@ao.com
    Subject: Re: Static System Assembly
    I came up with a way to make a back-side fitting for Van's static port. This permits use of a removable fitting for plastic tubing to connect the static vent plumbing. It's described in the EAA chapter 105 newsletter for April 2005, page 2: http://www.eaa105.org/Newsletter/nl-200504.pdf Mike Linse Corvallis, OR RV-6A (canopy, in the winter...)


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    Time: 06:40:29 PM PST US
    From: "Jerry Grimmonpre" <jerry@mc.net>
    Subject: Re: Static System Assembly
    Hi Mike, You have won the prize for an elegant solution to the static system plumbing challenge. That's a clever approach. If it's OK I am going to use it for my static hook-up. It also seems possible to drill a close fitting hole in a light weight pipe cap, and expand the rivet into that cap then drive out the center stem. Back it up with a little tank sealant. Thanks, Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: <mikerv6a@ao.com> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 5:59 PM Subject: Re: RV-List: Static System Assembly > > I came up with a way to make a back-side fitting for > Van's static port. This permits use of a removable > fitting for plastic tubing to connect the static vent > plumbing. It's described in the EAA chapter 105 > newsletter for April 2005, page 2: > http://www.eaa105.org/Newsletter/nl-200504.pdf > > Mike Linse > Corvallis, OR > RV-6A (canopy, in the winter...)


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    Time: 08:18:03 PM PST US
    From: Robert Savage <bsavage22@hotmail.com>
    Subject: Static System Assembly
    I had the same trouble with the rivet tail being to short. I went to the h ardware store and bought some aluminum tubing that would just fit over the rivet tail before it was installed. I cut about a 1 inch length and had so meone hold the tubing over the rivet on the inside of the fuselage while I pulled the rivet from the out side. As the pop rivet expanded it did the s ame to the tubing and the tubing made a nice little nipple to connect van's plastic tubing to on the inside. I sealed it with a couple of turns of sa fety wire. Bob Savage RV7A Firewall Forward > From: jerry@mc.net > To: rv-list@matronics.com > Subject: RV-List: Static System Assembly > Date: Wed=2C 17 Dec 2008 12:37:31 -0600 > > > Dear List ... > I'm rebuilding my static system and am looking for "how did you do it" > suggestions. > > Specifically: > How did you attach the tubing to the Van's static port rivet tails? > Glue=2C RTV or ... ? > > Did any of you find a clamp that would work with such a small diameter an d > short rivet tail? > > What method does not work or will not hold together between condition > inspections? > Thanks=2C Jerry > > > =========== =========== =========== =========== > > > _________________________________________________________________ Suspicious message? There=92s an alert for that. http://windowslive.com/Explore/hotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_hotmail_acq_broa d2_122008


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    Time: 11:04:19 PM PST US
    From: mikerv6a@ao.com
    Subject: Re: Static System Assembly
    Hi Jerry That's a good idea: It eliminates the tapping operation. Also, one complication of my use of round bar is that there are not features for use of a wrench. Vise grip pliers solved that, but I made later versions from 1/2" hex aluminum bar. Pipe caps generally have features that make them compatible with some kind of wrench or pliers. McMaster sells an aluminum cap that's threaded for 1/8 pipe, their part number 44705K372, $2.18. Mike Linse Corvallis, OR RV-6A > > Hi Mike, > [snip] It also seems possible to drill a close fitting hole > in a light weight pipe cap, and expand the rivet into that > cap then drive out the center stem. Back it up with a little > tank sealant. > Thanks, Jerry > >> >> I came up with a way to make a back-side fitting for >> Van's static port... It's described in the EAA chapter 105 >> newsletter for April 2005, page 2: >> http://www.eaa105.org/Newsletter/nl-200504.pdf >>




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